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[EmperorZeo]

I'd like to address one thing. Does anyone here really think that hundreds of negative reviews on Yahoo Japan are being written by a bunch of foreign NS fans using Google translate? The people claiming that this is being done are presenting no actual proof that these reviews are not legit. How do they know that the grammar and spelling are bad? Have they posted any examples? A good way to tell would be to copy and paste the reviews into google translate. If the translation is perfect, then it would have originally been in English. I tried this with a few random 1 star reviews and I got back gibberish, like with normal Japanese to English translations. Another thing to take into account, we know that yahoo Japan actively removes some reviews. I've seen reviews of all scores get deleted. Why wouldn't they delete reviews in nonsensical Japanese? What's the point of leaving up reviews if they don't make any sense? Also, why wouldn't Western NH fans counter this by doing the same? They outnumber NS fans, meaning that for every pathetic NS fan doing this there should a number of of NH fans willing to do it too, and we know they would. Just look at imdb a few days after it premiered. Finally, have they or anyone here actually tried to make a Yahoo Japan account and tried posting a review, of any movie, just to see if it can be done? Just remember, the same people making these accusations also believe that the movie being 'critically acclaimed' is evidence that it's good. Do you have any idea how many bad movies make that claim?

Something else I want to know that no one has answered. Is it true that the anti-Hinata, anti-NaruHina, anti-theLast threads outnumber the pro-threads on 2ch? Isn't that a sign that this movie isn't widely liked?

[Decius23]

I honestly don't know how many times I yelled bullsh** at my screen seeing The Last. It half asses everything, and I mean everything we know about the characters we love, and the scene that really got my gears grinding was Sakura's speech to Naruto about Hinata and her feelings not changing. The real Sakura would never say kitten like that, and the real Naruto would never be hung up on Hinata. To say this movie is like a bad episode of Sailor Moon would be an insult to that series even though this film ripped off some many things from it, and didn't even do them right.

 

Yeah, i just read Part 1 of the manga for old times sake and you guys remember the scene directly before Kabuto makes his entrance during the Chunin Exams? In the introductions for team 8 it says for Hinata: "Kurenai Team #8, Hyuuga Hinata: A weido who looks away when i look at her. A shy and dark girl".

 

And then i found that pic which really shows what i thought in regards to 'The Last bullsh**' and the relation to Hinata's introduction:

 

Edited by Decius23, 28 January 2015 - 11:55 AM.

[FireFox]

well the only good thing that comes from this is that nh is confirmed to be the worst love story ever and any nh fan that ships them still after seeing the film is the worst trash ever

They wouldn't give kitten anyways 

 

 

I was just about to post regarding that. Look, I'm sorry, but from what I've read, they do kind of have a point with you not citing your references or providing official sites to confirm your arguments. More than that, it is true that NF happens to contain a much, much larger community compared to the measly dozens still active here with maybe two translators remaining, one of them being a sarcastic funny guy whom it's difficult to tell when he's being serious. And how do you go about refuting their evidence of a non-refundable policy being false? 

 

 Take these comments, for example...

 

Comments

 Here. I’ll even take a screencapture to show more people on tumblr how this comment won’t even show up on your page.

Links to theater refund policies. Notice how it applies to ALL MOVIES IN THE THEATER. It doesn’t single out “THE LAST” . There’s no “Special No-Refund Policy” just for the Naruto movie. It’s a blanket policy for ANY MOVIE that’s shown for the movie. It’s a no-refunds given REGARDLESS OF WHAT MOVIE THAT YOU WATCH.

https://www.tohotheater.jp/

And here:

http://www.cinemafro...gi?tgttmp=trade

And here:

http://www.aeoncinem...eki/pc/law.html

Go find a biased translator who says that somewhere in that text, it says that applies only to the Naruto movie. Because even googletranslate can tell me that this policy has been in effect way before the movie came out, and it applies to all movies in the theater.

So here’s an example of what “real sources” are that are beyond 2chan. Because there’s the business itself and it’s webpage, the Japanese raw, and everyone can see them for themselves.

You got caught spreading a lie. Own up to it.

NF, tumblr, and even the 2chan thread about foreign crazies that mentioned you are laughing their heads off about how you’re portraying the western fandom as disrespectful because you’re in denial.

 

Credit to "Denial"

 

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if you take a look at the page you linked and censored with pink (probably your own profile), you could see that those “Information” from 2chan were mostly fake:

1.No desire for Shikamaru for romance -> ShikaTema cannonised.

2.Sakura will be more heroine-like from now on -> didn’t do anything until chapter 631 aka for 4 years.

3.Next year will be Kakashi’s year -> never happened.

4.Something big will happen to Taka and Sasuke -> nothing happened (because nobody died).

 

So yes, 2chan is truly only for trolling or uploading pictures. ;P

 

About the movie.

 

Yahooo = has been trolled by NS fans.

 

Creating japanese yahooo and twitter accounts is not a big deal, anybody can do that with using google translator and the majority of the “bad reviews” on Yahooo are also written by google translator (kanji, katanaka and hiragana errors).

 

Also, would you explain how could it be 500 reviews if according to the watched/viewed number only 100-110 person saw the movie. ;P

 

About the creditibilty of the negative hating comments, 99% of them not only copypasted directly from 2chan but also were only ranting about “Hinata kitten you, kitten you Kishimoto, NaruHina sucks”, and none of them mentioned anything about the movie itself like visuality, music ect. Oh, wait, there was one arguing about the chakra cannon of Kumogakure, forgetting that the cannon was built 2 years after the war. XD But the legendary “Kakashi would never sending people to a dangerous mission only basing on his 6th sense” crap, while forgetting that the “real Kakashi” was able to believe that a tiny little speech will make Sasuke forgetting about revenge and believing that Sakura woudln’t try to join into his and Sasuke’s fight. ;P

 

And the best about “yahooo rantings”, that when I tried to check the profiles of those who wrotte bad about them, most of their accounts were already deleted! Should I even mention that tons of them copypasted the same crap from each others? XD

 

About the no refund, maybe someone who lived in luxury didn’t know, but because of piracy cinemas has created a tons of laws to protect their money. Don’t you think that piracy could be an element of your still didn’t proved “no refund” crap? Would you finally link an information about it from official anime sites please? Because as many fake interviews are on tumblr it is not a believable source. ;P

 

“Trustworthy translators”, you mean those NS translators who denied to translate the spoilers of chapter 699 and chapter 700 because of NH and SS happened?

 

About misleading false advertising, didn’t the misleading advertising of RTN with the fake advertising of Sasuke, Kakashi, Hinata and “Konoha 11″ the same as here? What am I talking about! In The Last Sasuke at least do something important instead of standing in one place (saving Konoha from a giant meteor as big as Konoha) and even Kakashi does soemthing (saving Naruto’s co from the stupidity of the Raikage).

 

Not mentioning about “misleading”, who was the one who lied into the face of NS fans that the movie will be a NaruSaku movie? Oh, yeah, it was you. ;P

 

Oh, and about how much the movie is a “failure”:

1.While RTN started at 3rd place then fell out after it’s third week from the top 10, The Last not only got the 1st place that only the Ninja Clash In The Land Of Snow managed, but got the 2nd place too and stayed withing the top 10 for 5 weeks and only fell out after it and even only to the 11th place. ;P

2.Despite all of the NS trollings, the box office of The Last didn’t reduced, infact, it is now officialy around 1.9 billion yen (according to churchyll, it was 1.75 billion yen at the end of 2014 december) and not only has the movie 4-5 weeks in japan left, but since they added the foreign showing box offices to the final box office of RTN, they will surely do the same to The Last, and the The Last will be shown in the USA + Brasil + Australia + New-Zeland + Thailand + Singapore and so on. Oh, wait, I forgot: they will showing in Asutralia again because the first time was already a succes. ;P

3.While the only site you can show up is Yahooo, eiga, moviewalkerplus, anikore and other official movie and anime sites giving decent and good reviews. Also, there are no “bad reviews” on youtube, but not even on niconico.

 

So, that’s all about The Last, the movie is a success and only yahoo has “bad rating” because of NS trollings there’s nothing to complain about it. 

 

Credit to Rex Julius

 

I really don't know who to believe anymore. They seem to be reinforcing the general success of the film aptly while adequately proving that the people like here on H&E are little more than a fringe.

 

Still, that doesn't take away from the fact that they're callous jack***** who get a rush off trying to bury other people's passions and work. 

And I also see hypocrisy  in those statements  when blaming that " NS "  fans has been trolling YJP  by putting reviews with some broken Google T when we have multiple people who are in fact Japanese confirmed that its the Japanese themselves who are giving the reviews  and they were deleting them on purpose , and not to mention  there were more then one  NH review in English  and  the reviews in Japanese are also  copy pasted most of them  so why should I take what these guys say as serious when he's only playing the pointing finger game ?  Oh and not to mention suddenly we are all experts in Japanese  .    

 

So why should I take  these guys serious  when he's only pointing at NS and its obviously an biased NH fan  what makes what they say more trustworthy ?  

 

Oh and the no refund policy  even if its not only for Naruto how does this make the people from 2ch liars ?  As far as I'm aware they didn't said it was done only for Naruto  but that this policy do exist   not to mention this doesn't excuse the scam   that people were not aware of no refunds . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 28 January 2015 - 12:05 PM.

[Askia31]

I'd like to address one thing. Does anyone here really think that hundreds of negative reviews on Yahoo Japan are being written by a bunch of foreign NS fans using Google translate? The people claiming that this is being done are presenting no actual proof that these reviews are not legit. How do they know that the grammar and spelling are bad? Have they posted any examples? A good way to tell would be to copy and paste the reviews into google translate. If the translation is perfect, then it would have originally been in English. I tried this with a few random 1 star reviews and I got back gibberish, like with normal Japanese to English translations. Another thing to take into account, we know that yahoo Japan actively removes some reviews. I've seen reviews of all scores get deleted. Why wouldn't they delete reviews in nonsensical Japanese? What's the point of leaving up reviews if they don't make any sense? Also, why wouldn't Western NH fans counter this by doing the same? They outnumber NS fans, meaning that for every pathetic NS fan doing this there should a number of of NH fans willing to do it too, and we know they would. Just look at imdb a few days after it premiered. Finally, have they or anyone here actually tried to make a Yahoo Japan account and tried posting a review, of any movie, just to see if it can be done? Just remember, the same people making these accusations also believe that the movie being 'critically acclaimed' is evidence that it's good. Do you have any idea how many bad movies make that claim?

Something else I want to know that no one has answered. Is it true that the anti-Hinata, anti-NaruHina, anti-theLast threads outnumber the pro-threads on 2ch? Isn't that a sign that this movie isn't widely liked?

To add to that, if those reviews were written in such poor japanese, then why would those reviews get so much praise since they have so much likes/kudos. Lemme guess, NS fans have made over 500 yahoo accounts

Edited by Askia31, 28 January 2015 - 12:00 PM.

[EmperorZeo]

Something else I shoud mention. It's just one person's word so take it with a grain of salt. I recently talked to one of my contacts over Line. She doesn't read the manga or watch the anime, but she went to see the movie last month. I asked her what she thought about it and what general opinions were about the movie. She told me she thought it was 'ok' and that people in Japan hold 'divided opinions' on it. Like I said, she's just one person so take it with a grain of salt.

[六道仙人]

NH cannot live without us? So true

But we could live without them very well  what's a kittening terrible world.

 

ps: for my distusting tastes, DB evolution (because Son Gokuh still launchs kamehameha so he was at least In character) was far better than this sh*tty headcanon NH movie, which has been turned into something kittening real. 

Edited by 六道仙人, 28 January 2015 - 12:01 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny because the other site that none of us knew still has 2 1/2 stars out of 5. We didn't know it existed until we were linked. Damage control is what wins the casual, which is why it exist today. Otherwise, what's the point of damage control if nobody will take the lie.

[Askia31]

look at those numbers

 

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japanese people are problably just really impressed with how broken the japanese is in those reviews so they ''like'' it.

Edited by Askia31, 28 January 2015 - 12:13 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Not to mention how we first learn the site, it was already the second worst Naruto movie. It just got to be after day 1 release. Funny because I remember at tumblr for those early screening people, they just say it's ok, 5-6 out of 10. To me, that just screams, "Well, this may not be good..." The person was neutral as well. I think someone here remember.

[Change]

thats my hobby.

Mine too

But really, it's really hard navigating 2ch with Google translate. I once tried to do it over the summer and I ended up in a thread about pans. I think after clicking so many random links I found one about Naruto and even then I had no idea what it was about.

[Atheck]

Whether who's right or wrong in regards to the movie's content, it doesn't detract from the evidence they've offered up to demonstrate how the non-refundable ticket policy rumour was a sham. Now the ones who are trying to prove its existence need to come forward with counterevidence. Oh, and no one is addressing the fact that RtN apparently lost its top 10 position much sooner compared to "The Last". 

 

And if anyone is going to bring up the glaring issue of Yahoo recognising and deleting these supposed false reviews, I ask why aren't they doing the same with the 5 star quips and short summaries that do nothing but blindly praise the movie while acting as pseudo-advertisements for it. If YJ was actually discriminating on the basis of which reviews were valid or not, then why aren't they deleting the 5 star ones as well? 

[Chatte]

yeah, i remember that he has shown hundreds of comments from people on 2ch complaining that the tickets couldn't be refunded. oh well. thats not enough proof

that's mainly their problem. when we reported the impressions from 2ch these were some of the complaints along with how low the blow to the kakashi fanbase and sasuke fanbase was with the whole marketing scheme and with what they promised this movie would resolve and what it actually did.

so then people started to talk about that and said that it's okay, if they couldn't get their money back and were fooled into this, they're gonna take a blow back and vote the movie the worst of the series on YJ - which has happened. and there's a whole reaction chain going on and given the movie does sell very well indeed because it was targeted for that specific audience plus you won't ever get to see the things behind the covers in terms of what could a marketing campaign and damage control could do, people that aren't NH or SS absolutely despise it and the worst of all for everyone but most of all for them since they're the "victorious" one is that the end of the manga and how the manga has been altered to suit the needs of this movie and ended in that way and the movie was promoted in a certain way but didn't live up to its expectations and thus gives us all the logic and reasonable reasons to hate it and despise it and negate it as canon since the whole mumbo jumbo with kishi declaring nh pity ship and saying it was sp's idea while he admittedly says that he had to destroy ns because it would otherwise make sakura look terrible for moving on (nh/ss reasoning 101)and THAT'S WHY they cause and nitpick at all this and try to twist it in this twistidly-twisty thing...

 

because they are victorious, indeed... but the means by which they got costed them an entire series and fanbase approval - which they seem to look for otherwise they wouldn't bother so much with us, what we say or what we think... 

Edited by Chatte, 28 January 2015 - 12:28 PM.

[Change]

Whether who's right or wrong in regards to the movie's content, it doesn't detract from the evidence they've offered up to demonstrate how the non-refundable ticket policy rumour was a sham. Now the ones who are trying to prove its existence need to come forward with counterevidence. Oh, and no one is addressing the fact that RtN apparently lost its top 10 position much sooner compared to "The Last". 
 
And if anyone is going to bring up the glaring issue of Yahoo recognising and deleting these supposed false reviews, I ask why aren't they doing the same with the 5 star quips and short summaries that do nothing but blindly praise the movie while acting as pseudo-advertisements for it. If YJ was actually discriminating on the basis of which reviews were valid or not, then why aren't they deleting the 5 star ones as well? 

Oh we knew that RtN fell earlier out of the top10 than the Last, that's no secret

[RyohkiFan]

Hiiiii, I'm guessing something happened?

[Chatte]

 

I honestly don't know how many times I yelled bullsh** at my screen seeing The Last. It half asses everything, and I mean everything we know about the characters we love, and the scene that really got my gears grinding was Sakura's speech to Naruto about Hinata and her feelings not changing. The real Sakura would never say kitten like that, and the real Naruto would never be hung up on Hinata. To say this movie is like a bad episode of Sailor Moon would be an insult to that series even though this film ripped off some many things from it, and didn't even do them right.

lol, so true!

 

Oh we knew that RtN fell earlier out of the top10 than the Last, that's no secret

because they easily get past what promotion and meaning and implication and everything did the last have and what did rtn have? rtn was clearly said to be au story when this is promoted as the last naruto movie linked to the CANON story which for 15 years told us about other contents and implications than those of which we saw in the last. and that's why they try to shame rtn now by brushing these little details that people like them usually don't take under consideration.

 

too bad that some of us do and aren't easily fooled.

Edited by Chatte, 28 January 2015 - 12:39 PM.

[Change]

because they easily get past what promotion and meaning and implication and everything did the last have and what did rtn have? rtn was clearly said to be au story when this is promoted as the last naruto movie linked to the CANON story which for 15 years told us about other contents and implications than those of which we saw in the last. and that's why they try to shame rtn now by brushing these little details that people like them usually don't take under consideration.
 
too bad that some of us do and aren't easily fooled.

Well that's because RtN has NS so it must suck, even though we acknowledge(well most) it has its problems and most people say its a good/decent movie. But like you said, it doesn't claim to be a canon movie like The Last "is".

[RyohkiFan]

If it weren't for the fraud they did, the Last would have been the worst Naruto movie and not be here but I think they knew that, since they are catering the West

[TouKen4Life3g]

You made it sound like we kitten all the way. You and I know what we see is true, so how is the first person seeing the info is going to lose to the guy who saw it from a third-party source? We are the third party that saw the first party. So that would make others like 5th party or something.

Atheck, I wanted to say this. You're paranoid. And why you should be? You made it sound like we're dealing with a masterpiece or greatness. I'm not sure your inner fan is still there, but I'll say it right now: this series is a mess. I'm not good to say it's always crap or awful because it wasn't. It's just a series. In other words, it's a series that it's not even work up about it. I have posting my LAPs parts addressing how the downfall came about and pretty much expose that the story was never flawless nor made any sense. I always knew it was already shell of former self.

There's a fan for everyone. Right now, you are making it seem like the "winners" are right. There's no right or wrong. Everyone is still the same.

[FireFox]

Whether who's right or wrong in regards to the movie's content, it doesn't detract from the evidence they've offered up to demonstrate how the non-refundable ticket policy rumour was a sham. Now the ones who are trying to prove its existence need to come forward with counterevidence. Oh, and no one is addressing the fact that RtN apparently lost its top 10 position much sooner compared to "The Last". 

 

And if anyone is going to bring up the glaring issue of Yahoo recognising and deleting these supposed false reviews, I ask why aren't they doing the same with the 5 star quips and short summaries that do nothing but blindly praise the movie while acting as pseudo-advertisements for it. If YJ was actually discriminating on the basis of which reviews were valid or not, then why aren't they deleting the 5 star ones as well? 

1 .RTN wasn't marketed as  THE LAST NARUTO MOVIE   which turned out to be a marketing scam   people expected more and we already knew that about RTN not a secret  and you can't compare the RTN marketing with the Last bc the conditions are not the same  . The no refund policy is still a scam whether its only for Naruto and all the others  people were not aware of it  no notification for it to the buyers .  

 

2.I can ask the same thing why were the English NH reviews weren't deleted  tell me this !? Not to mention one of the one star reviews who had the most Likes  that was deleted was @Ramen's friend   who is Japanese  2ch members also confirmed this  about  others Japanese legit reviews .  How much proof does it needed that SP is doing a damage control really sign .    

[Chatte]

They wouldn't give kitten anyways 

 

And I also see hypocrisy  in those statements  when blaming that " NS "  fans has been trolling YJP  by putting reviews with some broken Google T when we have multiple people who are in fact Japanese confirmed that its the Japanese themselves who are giving the reviews  and they were deleting them on purpose , and not to mention  there were more then one  NH review in English  and  the reviews in Japanese are also  copy pasted most of them  so why should I take what these guys say as serious when he's only playing the pointing finger game ?  Oh and not to mention suddenly we are all experts in Japanese  .    

 

So why should I take  these guys serious  when he's only pointing at NS and its obviously an biased NH fan  what makes what they say more trustworthy ?  

 

Oh and the no refund policy  even if its not only for Naruto how does this make the people from 2ch liars ?  As far as I'm aware they didn't said it was done only for Naruto  but that this policy do exist   not to mention this doesn't excuse the scam   that people were not aware of no refunds . 

 

Bam! There! That's the point! They try to bring "official" statements into this whole thing so that we look as liars overlooking the fact that some of us actually worked in those worlds they look-up to as "official" and actively know how things like these are done and we speak about it and report simply word-to-mouth (as in from people to people, the same thing we have been doing for quite a while now, internet) which is the most-used marketing strategy nowadays for example here in my country and people before trusting "big official news" are more likely to believe the people who were actually involved because we can connect to those people if we'd be in their place, we'd understand their pain and we'd rage the same - hello main theme of naruto btw - and thus, they try to negate this as a scam or whatever and it's not like we said it was something 100% true, we just reported and then based on that made our own opinions.

this paired up with the fact that we have valid reasons to hate the movie - like anyone else who is not ss/nh and have some love for the characters and themes of this manga- because they made it to their best to give us plenty of evidence to back up our statements, once again turns back to what is really consuming them on the inside - their empty victory and us having all the ammunition to shoot in their "canon".

because in their minds it wasn't about the proper characterization and wanting more for those characters and story and all, having expectations etc...no. for them it was about who's gonna win so that they get to "be right".

but the problem was that yes, they won... yes they were "right" but for that to be "right" everything else turned into "wrong" and destroyed a series... such as we said that would happen... and in the end thus we lost, indeed... but we were right and are given the evidence for it and thus their victory is empty and thus like i said, that's what it consumes them and stalk us at every step we make etc, etc..