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[bthug]

No not at all, the higher ups probably dont care and their still a business that wants to make money. 

 

Okay so you guys think a near death experience is what will make Sakura fully realize that she loves Naruto. 

 

I'm bringing up these pts because I really wish we knew what was going on in Sakura's head. I mean lets look at the hug, she went up and passionality hugged Naruto (grabbed his head, wrapped her arms around him). That should have been the Climax in my book, from then on we shud have got many more signs of Sakura being attracted to Naruto and reciprocate those feelings. 

[Inferno180]

I have heard that they do, do this in fact. Had a discussion on this forum with someone who reads the viz translations more and they described as the company trying to keeping the romance side of the manga more ambiguous and make the outcome less certain. Helps keep the sales up.

 

Kinda funny how the majority of people actually read on some scanulation sites for the translations from a more direct source. Besides, by the time these come out the knowledge is already well known. I mean when the anime itself reaches the 5 kage vs Madara fight, we will be in volume 67 at least.

[sushi.]

Don't need to be die but rather chance of death on the horizon.

The point is still there.

 

"You don't realize what you have before you lose it/before you're about to lose it"

 

This message has been brought up too many times, and I don't want an OVA 2.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The point is still there.
 
"You don't realize what you have before you lose it/before you're about to lose it"
 
This message has been brought up too many times, and I don't want an OVA 2.

I see. How do you want to resolve?

[Lady_duckish]

That would be nice but

 

1) this would imply Sasuke goes OOC and asks Sakura out/confesses love for her?

 

2) Sakura would regress to part 1 somehow to some measure if Sasule is within arms reach so to speak

No. Well, not in my own ideal fantasy.

 

1.What I mean by in arms reach, is he just goes back to being the boy he was in part one.  

 

2. I don't think we will ever see early part one Sakura again. No matter what ships sail. I like to think once everything is settled down, she will just not feel any impulse or desire to date Sasuke. Old Sasuke will be right in front of her for the grabbing, but she will just realize it not what she wants anymore. 

[Inferno180]

 

It just seems so ...cliche'. I understand the whole " you don't know what you have until it's gone" thing, but it's just so dramatic. 

 

In my ideal situation, Sakura would have Sasuke within arms reach, and realize that its not really what she wants anymore. No, not because Sauke turned her away, but she just doesn't feel the way she always expected to when they finally got him back. After seeing that she no longer is confused about her feelings for both boys, she can start to focus ( in moderation ) on expressing her growing feelings for Naruto.

 

Beastbomb, on 07 Jun 2013 - 3:00 PM, said:

If they are the official translators and get paid for their services, I think they are probably bound by a contract to translate all of the series. No matter what. Even commenting in a way that shows bias/sympathy for one side of the fandom would only hurt their reputations.

 

 

 

If we get Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto, I would expect it to go like this:

1. Something obviously with the forehead, I mean come on the Sakura-Kushina event opened this can of similarities, Sakura has a seal on her forehead, Naruto may find it makes her forehead more attractive, I mean the setup is right there, its almost too good to be true as it sounds but its at this point, I really cannot see this thing not coming up because of 631 and 632.

 

2. Sakura would maybe get some reminisce on Yamato and Sai's words, possibly a revisit towards the land of iron events too. The whole forehead ordeal can be the changer, the one she loved, was actually Naruto (because he was disguised as Sasuke and he only wanted to know her better, not make things worse). I would expect Sakura to be a bit confused/flustered over finding out Naruto did this but more or less happy in accordance with the other events like Yamato and Sai said to her.

 

3. The push over moment, or when she turns to Naruto, it would have to be before, during, or after the fight with Sasuke, basically the prospect of her loosing them both because they are both so powerful, they could die as Naruto said. This would cause her great concern and worry but also let her have faith in Naruto for the resolution with Sasuke. Basically in this moment, its where she would find acceptance, truth, and maturity in her feelings between her old ones for Sasuke and her current ones for Naruto. 630 made it clear that she understands Naruto's tasks and its not all up to him to do everything.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah it said something like "don't fall for the first girl to come your way"

 

First person though to come TO Naruto and confess was Hinata so....

I think the first girl was Sakura, but he already fullfilled his mother's wishes, actually he fullfilled all of them, it was just to show how that words influenced on his life, "when she said find a dream" Naruto wished to be hokage, "at school" told him to not ever give up, then Naruto said i always had bad scores but those never affected him and he kept going forwards and the whole "find a girl like me" he fell in love with Sakura, for me those words doesnt have importance.
Dunno why all this debate around that, it doesnt change too much stuff with or without.

It's like pointing the obvious.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 June 2013 - 10:40 PM.

[sushi.]

I see. How do you want to resolve?

I want her to look at 'good' Sasuke and realize he's not the man she thought he was, she's not the man that will make her happy. Then I want her to look at Naruto and think .

 

But I still want a reason, why the sudden change of mind? Because she grew up? I need something bigger than that, a gamechanger.

 

I think everyone shares the 'forehead kiss' fantasy. It can happen on the battlefield, when she is exhausted and he gives her chakra and kisses her on the forehead. And it will probably not be downplayed by him kissing everyone else on the forehead too. Or maybe at a bench, Naruto is about to fight Sasuke. Before he leaves, they have a conversation, and there is one last thing he wants to d. He kisses her on the forehead.

 

The only way I would accept that she comes to the realization by death, is if both Naruto and Sasuke are near death and she rushes over to Naruto. I can't imagine anything else, but we'll see what Kishi pulls off.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I want her to look at 'good' Sasuke and realize he's not the man she thought he was, she's not the man that will make her happy. Then I want her to look at Naruto and think .

 

But I still want a reason, why the sudden change of mind? Because she grew up? I need something bigger than that, a gamechanger.

 

I think everyone shares the 'forehead kiss' fantasy. It can happen on the battlefield, when she is exhausted and he gives her chakra and kisses her on the forehead. And it will probably not be downplayed by him kissing everyone else on the forehead too. Or maybe at a bench, Naruto is about to fight Sasuke. Before he leaves, they have a conversation, and there is one last thing he wants to d. He kisses her on the forehead.

 

The only way I would accept that she comes to the realization by death, is if both Naruto and Sasuke are near death and she rushes over to Naruto. I can't imagine anything else, but we'll see what Kishi pulls off.

Just like the scene where she shouted Naruto's name.
There people "hey look how she love Naruto because she said his name when the two clashed"

Yeah right.
Like she would say Sasuke-kun when he tried to kill her two times there while Naruto was there fighting.

Now going back to the bolded.
You're basically telling me.

Sakura "Should i heal the guy who tried to kill me and that i dont trust or heal someome who saved my life a lot of times".
I dont know how she will make a realization because of that when the obvious choice would be Naruto.

 

Now to the main topic i believe that she already choose Naruto is put that into suspense until the revelation and before that Naruto will compliment her forehead or nothing, she has development for that and the last one was when a guy told her that she should love a great guy, then naruto starts shining and helping everyone, being hero and etc... while when Sasuke arrives with his arrogancy and says that he doesnt care about everyone, then Sakura thinks Sasuke is crazy because he wants to be hokage and how she was untrustfull and did not fangirled, i felt that she put him on a balance and concluded that he's not the type of man that she should be involved romantically.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 June 2013 - 10:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I want her to look at 'good' Sasuke and realize he's not the man she thought he was, she's not the man that will make her happy. Then I want her to look at Naruto and think .
 
But I still want a reason, why the sudden change of mind? Because she grew up? I need something bigger than that, a gamechanger.
 
I think everyone shares the 'forehead kiss' fantasy. It can happen on the battlefield, when she is exhausted and he gives her chakra and kisses her on the forehead. And it will probably not be downplayed by him kissing everyone else on the forehead too. Or maybe at a bench, Naruto is about to fight Sasuke. Before he leaves, they have a conversation, and there is one last thing he wants to d. He kisses her on the forehead.
 
The only way I would accept that she comes to the realization by death, is if both Naruto and Sasuke are near death and she rushes over to Naruto. I can't imagine anything else, but we'll see what Kishi pulls off.

I like it. But you know, it's still not a bad thing about calm before storm moment to make her realize. I mean ok it's cliche, but a lot of anime/manga, notably Gundam series. But who knows. Let's see how Kishi handles it.

[bthug]

I think we can all agree that

 

1) We want Sakura to get over Sasuke because thats what she wants and realizes, and not any other outside forces.

 

2) We want Sakura to let us know she loves Naruto, not because of something amazing Naruto does or because Naruto ends up being the second choice.

 

With that I see/ hope this will play out in pretty much one way.

 

Naruto takes a blow for Sakura OR Sakura takes a blow for Naruto regardless they talk and confess their love that they've had for a long time. 

 

THIS is when I would like to see flashbacks of Sakura always loving Naruto or slowly loving Naruto, very similar to how the Konoha slowly started rooting for Naruto and not just cause he saved them from Pain.

[sushi.]

Just like the scene where she shouted Naruto's name.
There people "hey look how she love Naruto because she said his name when the two clashed"

Yeah right.
Like she would say Sasuke-kun when he tried to kill her two times there while Naruto was there fighting.

Now going back to the bolded.
You're basically telling me.

Sakura "Should i heal the guy who tried to kill me and that i dont trust or heal someome who saved my life a lot of times".
I dont know how she will make a realization because of that when the obvious choice would be Naruto.

I hate that the anime made her question that.

 

She should never do it. I didn't say she would hesitate. I said she would rush over to Naruto, no second thought. The reason Sasuke is involved is because this will flat out prove that she has chosen Naruto over a good Sasuke. It will be at the end of their battle for the Hokage title, and I think it has been foreshadowed that the resolution will happen then.

 

Even when they fought on the roof, Sakura tried to interfere. When they clashed again, Sakura already chose Naruto. She may do it again.

Edited by sushi., 07 June 2013 - 10:52 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I hate that the anime made her question that.

 

She should never do it. I didn't say she would hesitate. I said she would rush over to Naruto, no second thought. The reason Sasuke is involved is because this will flat out prove that she has chosen Naruto over a good Sasuke. It will be at the end of their battle for the Hokage title, and I think it has been foreshadowed that the resolution will happen then.

 

Even when they fought on the roof, Sakura tried to interfere. When they clashed again, Sakura already chose Naruto. She may do it again.

Agree partially despite the fact is that there's no good Sasuke, we all know where the last developments about her moving on from Sasuke were about, it was never something like "sasuke is evil or good" it was more about personality and other stuff.
The last one pratically said that "the guy you must love should be a great guy" even if Sasuke is "good" he's not a great guy, he's not suitable for her, when Sakura told Naruto that she loved him and the reasons she pointed out, there was nothing for Sasuke, he was just her crush nad nothing else. all this development would just lead her to conclude that no matter if Sasuke is good or not that he's not worthy of her(funny though how she felt Naruto wasnt worthy of her).

 

Now we can see on 631 she thinks highly of Naruto while she thinks low about Sasuke despite being her "crush".
Funny how it's the opposite of part 1 where she had a low view about Naruto and she thought high about Sasuke.

 

Sidenote : Both Naruto and Sasuke doesnt want her to interfere and Naruto himself told her to not meddle on that so i think she's not going to interfere.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 June 2013 - 11:03 PM.

[Lady_duckish]

I think the forehead scene would be a very cute way to really make it clear to Sakura that the boy she's always wanted was actually right in front of her. To not only have feelings for someone, but to have that someone not only accept but love something about yourself that you perceive as a flaw? Awww.

 

something I was thinking about the other day: In the K4 scene Yamato tells Sakura is not a matter of big or small, but its the feelings you have that are important. Sakura doesn't need to pull off some grand gesture to prove she loves Naruto. All that matters is what's in her heart. 

 

Now I have no read every last chapter, but has it been explained that look of angst Sakura had when she realized Hinata almost died trying to save Naruto? I feel like it's meant to refer back to those old feelings of feeling useless when it comes to helping Naruto. 

[sushi.]

Agree partially despite the fact is that there's no good Sasuke, we all know where the last developments about her moving on from Sasuke were about, it was never something like "sasuke is evil or good" it was more about personality and other stuff.
The last one pratically said that "the guy you must love should be a great guy" even if Sasuke is "good" he's not a great guy, he's not suitable for her, when Sakura told Naruto that she loved him and the reasons she pointed out, there was nothing for Sasuke, he was just her crush nad nothing else. all this development would just lead her to conclude that no matter if Sasuke is good or not that he's not worthy of her(funny though how she felt Naruto wasnt worthy of her).

 

Now we can see on 631 she thinks highly of Naruto while she thinks low about Sasuke despite being her "crush".

I think Sasuke is not evil nor good now. I would call it 'good'. Because he's still willing to do whatever it takes to gain the Hokage title. Sasuke is still the closer to his 12 year old self than ever, the one Sakura supposedly loved.

Edited by sushi., 07 June 2013 - 11:04 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think Sasuke is not evil nor good now. I would call it 'good'. Because he's still willing to do whatever it takes to gain the Hokage title. Sasuke is still the closer to his 12 year old self than ever, the one Sakura loved.

Are you sure?, for me it's the same, that arrogant atitude and her own flashbacks it was the same thing.

The fact that remains is that even Sasuke's former self was never at Sakura's side when she needed the most, i'm talking about support and inspiration which mirrors to the whole Tsunade/Dan and the forehead mirrors to Mina/Kushi, it's halfway to be done with the forehead scene since Sakura already acknowledged Naruto as the one who was at her side, just look about what she said on Sasuke, there was no ground for her to still hold her feelings for him that was the solely reason she was bashed to hell on 540 because on her flashbacks when she tried to kill Sasuke showed the type of girl that liked a guy and he doesnt care about her, her face and Sasuke face like "she's annoying".

For me i believe she already chose Naruto i feel that she made up her mind on Naruto, but it's not in love with him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 June 2013 - 11:08 PM.

[FrenchMyToast]

something I was thinking about the other day: In the K4 scene Yamato tells Sakura is not a matter of big or small, but its the feelings you have that are important. Sakura doesn't need to pull off some grand gesture to prove she loves Naruto. All that matters is what's in her heart. 

 

Huh. I've never heard something like that before, but I actually really like the idea of NS being subtly confirmed as the end pairing. The thing about NS is that we use/should be using the development Naruto and Sakura go through in the manga as the foundation for our pairing, where as SS/NH have to rely on very large, but irregular scenes such as either confession or the hand-holding scene. I think the lack of large, easy to understand scenes is one of the reasons NS isn't as popular... at least in the west. So basically, NS = Subtle, while NH/SS = Sporadic, so a grand gesture isn't needed for Sakura to express her love. I would prefer something small and sweet because it fits our pairing more.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well thank you for the rep on the post about Jiraiya's novel. I got to let him know. Thank you.

[narulsaku]

@lady dukish- are u sure yamato said that could u please tell me which chapter it is?

[Nefertieh]

I don't think so. Do you think she would do the same thing with Rock Lee if he was in a similar situation? The reason she's able to confess to Naruto is because she has feelings for him that are more than mere friendship.

Well, I'm just saying what shippers believe and what the rest of the fandom sees are two very different things. The confession itself is still confusing to me, and Sai's comments and Kishimoto's interview comments made didn't seem to end the debate.
 

Anything other than that would've made it look like Sakura's confession was just a means to an end. That's a wrong approach since A) As discussed there were plenty of other ways to try and convince Naruto to go back to Konoha without expressing fake feelings for him, and B) Kishimoto himself was bothered that someone implied Sakura was just using Naruto's feelings for her.
 
That should tell you that the reason Sakura used a confession as a means to convince Naruto is because she wanted to, not because she had to.

A) I suggested that too back when the rest of the H&E on NF were upset at the chapter. But I also think that this very good point was never discussed in the manga, so there's no way to be absolutely certain at this point.

B) And in the same interview, it sounded like his disappointment was directed at how people didn't perceive her as heroic as how he intended to be. As if he took it personally that they didn't like his writing.