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#2101 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:48 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 6 2012, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When I start watching Naruto, I just know main characters goes with each other in the end. Usually, I always find it nice and sweet, but you know, it's given. Naruto, however, is something I really wish to see them together. The buildup between them is really well done and realistic for most parts. Naruto is not just a guy who's befriended with a girl and then they automatically become a couple. No, this is a definition of hard work. Naruto falls in love with a girl who didn't like him due to his bad record (prankster). They developed strong, trusty friendship throughout part 1. When part 2 starts, Naruto's mind of a woman may not change (oblivious), but his maturity is there (protect her and keep her happy). His feelings haven't change at all, rather it only develop further. Examples like understanding how Sasuke feel, or the need to protect the future "kings" (reference to Asuma). In part 2, it was appropriate time for Kishi to develop romance, because their friendship was already developed. The next level is romance and it happens to be Naruto and Sakura with all the hints thrown at us throughout part 2.

You see, it makes the most sense for Naruto and Sakura to love each other, because it's part of the theme: hard work. Naruto came a long way to earn her love, yet he doesn't realize that Sakura is already in love. Sad part is that Sakura is in confused state of her own feelings, so they both don't know where their relationship is going. I am happy to hear that Naruto is, in fact, still in love with her (of course it's obvious). The best part is that even though he is sacrificing his happiness for her, he will confess his love to her when the time is right. The time is obviously when the war is over and Sasuke is redeemed. He is a guy that anyone would love to hang out or to be together with. Sakura, as of now, is still confused and now, she's in the process of understanding her true feelings. The whole buildup for Naruto and Sakura has been going so well, that if Kishi DARES to pair them with someone else, then this manga is a huge disappointment. Say what you want, but NaruSaku development is important to Naruto (character) and its theme.

Ask yourself this: Do you think any other pairing will have the same impact as NaruSaku becoming canon?


No, because no other couple makes sense at all.
NaruHina=Oever rated and heavily one sided...and the worst fanbase I've ever seen.
SasuSaku=woman abuse and would be just flat down stupid. How does a relationship work if they try and kill each other before they go to bed?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:08 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jul 6 2012, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The recent part 1 recap episode that showed that scene actually made Naruto look about 10 times sadder in that moment. I really breaks your heart.

It's because of moments like this that I wonder why some people don't want to cheer for Naruto getting the girl of his dreams. His only wish is for Sakura to be happy, even if that means she ends up with another guy.

That's the key difference between NS and NH/SS, the latter is all about what the girls want out of the relationship while Naruto's focus is not in want he wants but in what he considers would make Sakura the happiest.


I couldn't agree with this more. During the time when I was looking at Naruhina arguments, most of them claim they want to see Hinata win because she deserves it and they are rooting for her. I always hated when they said that, because if she deserves him for just sacrificing herself once, then Naruto deserves Sakura even more. He, of all the main crushes, has been the most selfless and was willing to allow her to be with another guy so that she can be happy. I don't know about most of you're but that makes me want them to get together even more, because I want to see Naruto win. Don't get me wrong, I also want to see Sakura happy, and who has made Sakura the happiest? (*cough* not Sasuke *cough*)

I don't understand why so many people are rooting for a supporting character to get with the main character when THEY HAVE NO CHEMISTRY!

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When I start watching Naruto, I just know main characters goes with each other in the end. Usually, I always find it nice and sweet, but you know, it's given. Naruto, however, is something I really wish to see them together. The buildup between them is really well done and realistic for most parts. Naruto is not just a guy who's befriended with a girl and then they automatically become a couple. No, this is a definition of hard work. Naruto falls in love with a girl who didn't like him due to his bad record (prankster). They developed strong, trusty friendship throughout part 1. When part 2 starts, Naruto's mind of a woman may not change (oblivious), but his maturity is there (protect her and keep her happy). His feelings haven't change at all, rather it only develop further. Examples like understanding how Sasuke feel, or the need to protect the future "kings" (reference to Asuma). In part 2, it was appropriate time for Kishi to develop romance, because their friendship was already developed. The next level is romance and it happens to be Naruto and Sakura with all the hints thrown at us throughout part 2.

You see, it makes the most sense for Naruto and Sakura to love each other, because it's part of the theme: hard work. Naruto came a long way to earn her love, yet he doesn't realize that Sakura is already in love. Sad part is that Sakura is in confused state of her own feelings, so they both don't know where their relationship is going. I am happy to hear that Naruto is, in fact, still in love with her (of course it's obvious). The best part is that even though he is sacrificing his happiness for her, he will confess his love to her when the time is right. The time is obviously when the war is over and Sasuke is redeemed. He is a guy that anyone would love to hang out or to be together with. Sakura, as of now, is still confused and now, she's in the process of understanding her true feelings. The whole buildup for Naruto and Sakura has been going so well, that if Kishi DARES to pair them with someone else, then this manga is a huge disappointment. Say what you want, but NaruSaku development is important to Naruto (character) and its theme.

Ask yourself this: Do you think any other pairing will have the same impact as NaruSaku becoming canon?


No.

Edited by Transformers03, 07 July 2012 - 12:10 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 6 2012, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It could be used as fanfictions, and possibly even another manga if another form of "Heaven and Earth" comes again. Just my opinion of cours.


We have fanfiction here, but it's only a small piece.

Latching on to another manga would be my best guess. But Smiter funds the sight himself, so it'll be his call.

Depends on what impact means. If he Kishimoto did a major ass-pull and pulled a pairing from nowhere. It would have an impact. People would be really mad.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:16 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 6 2012, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope Kishimoto makes another series in the Naruto universe.

Perhaps this one will somehow involve a random pissed off ninja that Naruto beat once.



I remember hearing somewhere that Kishi said that he would like to do a serise about Minato, I for one would love that because we would get to see more of Minato and Kushina and we finally find out who the other two members of Team Jiraiya are.


Off topic but who do you think was on Kushina's team and who do you think was her sensei?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 6 2012, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When I start watching Naruto, I just know main characters goes with each other in the end. Usually, I always find it nice and sweet, but you know, it's given. Naruto, however, is something I really wish to see them together. The buildup between them is really well done and realistic for most parts. Naruto is not just a guy who's befriended with a girl and then they automatically become a couple. No, this is a definition of hard work. Naruto falls in love with a girl who didn't like him due to his bad record (prankster). They developed strong, trusty friendship throughout part 1. When part 2 starts, Naruto's mind of a woman may not change (oblivious), but his maturity is there (protect her and keep her happy). His feelings haven't change at all, rather it only develop further. Examples like understanding how Sasuke feel, or the need to protect the future "kings" (reference to Asuma). In part 2, it was appropriate time for Kishi to develop romance, because their friendship was already developed. The next level is romance and it happens to be Naruto and Sakura with all the hints thrown at us throughout part 2.

You see, it makes the most sense for Naruto and Sakura to love each other, because it's part of the theme: hard work. Naruto came a long way to earn her love, yet he doesn't realize that Sakura is already in love. Sad part is that Sakura is in confused state of her own feelings, so they both don't know where their relationship is going. I am happy to hear that Naruto is, in fact, still in love with her (of course it's obvious). The best part is that even though he is sacrificing his happiness for her, he will confess his love to her when the time is right. The time is obviously when the war is over and Sasuke is redeemed. He is a guy that anyone would love to hang out or to be together with. Sakura, as of now, is still confused and now, she's in the process of understanding her true feelings. The whole buildup for Naruto and Sakura has been going so well, that if Kishi DARES to pair them with someone else, then this manga is a huge disappointment. Say what you want, but NaruSaku development is important to Naruto (character) and its theme.

Ask yourself this: Do you think any other pairing will have the same impact as NaruSaku becoming canon?


The big question in all of this, when Naruto finally confesses his love for Sakura. That he would die for if that were to happen. And if ends up trying to sacrifice his life to bring Sasuke over to the good side. do you think Sakura will tolerate that as if her feelings for Sasuke is above Naruto's health and safety? Or will she finally wake up and burry any feelings she has for Sasuke?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Jul 6 2012, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have fanfiction here, but it's only a small piece.

Latching on to another manga would be my best guess. But Smiter funds the sight himself, so it'll be his call.

Depends on what impact means. If he Kishimoto did a major ass-pull and pulled a pairing from nowhere. It would have an impact. People would be really mad.


Agree it will be that kind of impact for fans to get angry if Kishi trolls NS so hard that he ends up pulling a random pairing from out of nowhere with absolutely no development whatsoever. NS fans and general fans who aren't shippers of the pairing but knows how to be logical and realistic to see the obvious pairing will be very angry with him more with opposite fandoms if their pairing doesn't come true.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 01:37 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 6 2012, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember hearing somewhere that Kishi said that he would like to do a serise about Minato, I for one would love that because we would get to see more of Minato and Kushina and we finally find out who the other two members of Team Jiraiya are.


Off topic but who do you think was on Kushina's team and who do you think was her sensei?


I think it would be funny if Kizashi (Sakura's dad) was on Kushina's team and Tsunade was their sensei. The description of Kizashi's personality sounds like the kind of personality that would irritate young Kushina. (even more than what she wrongly assumed about Minato's personality). Similar to the mutual annoyance Sakura and Shikamaru had for each other in part 1. In part 2 Sakura and Shikamaru have come to mutually respect the other.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:05 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jul 6 2012, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it would be funny if Kizashi (Sakura's dad) was on Kushina's team and Tsunade was their sensei. The description of Kizashi's personality sounds like the kind of personality that would irritate young Kushina. (even more than what she wrongly assumed about Minato's personality). Similar to the mutual annoyance Sakura and Shikamaru had for each other in part 1. In part 2 Sakura and Shikamaru have come to mutually respect the other.

That would be one amusing team to see in action fu.png It would be nicely balanced if it did turn out that this was true along with your previous speculations that Mikoto could have been on Minato's genin team. Naruto's female teammate's dad with his mom, and his male teammate's mom with his dad. Makes me wonder who the third members of their genin teams could be, and where Mebuki could have been placed (what's the difference in the ages of the rookies' parents anyway in comparison to each other and the jounin senseis?)

These two team formations are officially my new head canon now >_<

On a side note, I would actually really love to see how Mikoto and Kushina became friends - it seems like it would be a really interesting relationship, especially given the implications of a possible betrayal on Mikoto's side.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:12 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 6 2012, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would be one amusing team to see in action fu.png It would be nicely balanced if it did turn out that this was true along with your previous speculations that Mikoto could have been on Minato's genin team. Naruto's female teammate's dad with his mom, and his male teammate's mom with his dad. Makes me wonder who the third members of their genin teams could be, and where Mebuki could have been placed (what's the difference in the ages of the rookies' parents anyway in comparison to each other and the jounin senseis?)

These two team formations are officially my new head canon now >_<

On a side note, I would actually really love to see how Mikoto and Kushina became friends - it seems like it would be a really interesting relationship, especially given the implications of a possible betrayal on Mikoto's side.

We're talking about the "Naruto" series by the way. You know, that manga that has nearly 600 chapters... yeah that one...

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:20 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 6 2012, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree it will be that kind of impact for fans to get angry if Kishi trolls NS so hard that he ends up pulling a random pairing from out of nowhere with absolutely no development whatsoever. NS fans and general fans who aren't shippers of the pairing but knows how to be logical and realistic to see the obvious pairing will be very angry with him more with opposite fandoms if their pairing doesn't come true.


Agree. Kishi will lose credibility of drawing more future audience to his projects in the future. For I will no longer read any of his mangas ever. The worse thing about is that Kishi failed to foreshadow Sakura appologizing to Naruto about the confession and that her heart belongs to Sasuke. Now what happens when Kishi pairs her up with Sasuke without an apology? All her character developments will go down the drain. He would make Sakura's selfless character become so selfish, even worse than Hinata. Sakura has lost the right to become Sasuke's woman all because she failed to let go of the feelings she haves for Naruto, hidden profoundly. My question is, will he be brave enough to troll us NS shippers?

As for the other reason... Everyone knows that, which is why NS is still very much alive.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:21 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 6 2012, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We're talking about the "Naruto" series by the way. You know, that manga that has nearly 600 chapters... yeah that one...

Really, because I thought we were discussing a possible Minato spin off Kishimoto might conceivably write after the Naruto series is over, which was sparked by conversation of what would become of this site after the series was over.

Now, if you're just requesting that we get back on topic to Naruto and Sakura's relationship, please, feel free to bring up a topic to get us back in that direction.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 6 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really, because I thought we were discussing a possible Minato spin off Kishimoto might conceivably write after the Naruto series is over, which was sparked by conversation of what would become of this site after the series was over.

Now, if you're just requesting that we get back on topic to Naruto and Sakura's relationship, please, feel free to bring up a topic to get us back in that direction.

but you were talking about characters I don't believe have ever been mentioned in the manga. were you refering to a fanfic?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 6 2012, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but you were talking about characters I don't believe have ever been mentioned in the manga. were you refering to a fanfic?

Minato is Naruto's Dad
Kushina is Naruto's Mom
Mikoto is Sasuke's Mom
Mebuki is Sakura's Mom
Kizashi is Sakura's Dad

Granted, Sakura's parents weren't in the manga (only in the new film), but everyone else was in the manga, and I'm pretty sure that since they're Kishi's creation, Sakura's parents are considered canon characters.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:36 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 6 2012, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mikoto is Sasuke's Mom
Mebuki is Sakura's Mom
Kizashi is Sakura's Dad

Granted, Sakura's parents weren't in the manga (only in the new film), but what exactly do you think is coming from a fanfic?

the only thing I think I know about this film is that Tsunade and Shizune are completely swiched. Hinata is outspoken and punk. Sasuke is really flirty and has a crush on Sakura. Tobi can summon ramen for some reason. And finally Tonton is a boar now.

From that I pretty much assumed the entire movie is just a giant troll. I could imagine Choji being really skinny. Jiraiya acting all classy and respectable. Kakashi not wearing a mask. and hell, why not just make Iruka be the one to betray Konoha instead of.... Mizuke.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:41 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 6 2012, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the only thing I think I know about this film...
From that I pretty much assumed


well you know what they say about assuming wink.gif

from what Kishimoto has said especially in the latest teaser, Road to Ninja is a labour of love for him, while it can't be assumed to be cannon at least until Kishimoto says it is, it can be assumed that the way the Naruto and Sakura interact is the way Kishimoto intends them too

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:42 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Jul 6 2012, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well you know what they say about assuming wink.gif

well I assume it's a lot like reckoning.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 6 2012, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Minato is Naruto's Dad
Kushina is Naruto's Mom
Mikoto is Sasuke's Mom
Mebuki is Sakura's Mom
Kizashi is Sakura's Dad

Granted, Sakura's parents weren't in the manga (only in the new film), but everyone else was in the manga, and I'm pretty sure that since they're Kishi's creation, Sakura's parents are considered canon characters.

I'm really dissapointed in Kishi's design for Sakura's parents. Thy don't look like her at all! Where did she get the pink hair for example?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:39 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 6 2012, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm really dissapointed in Kishi's design for Sakura's parents. Thy don't look like her at all! Where did she get the pink hair for example?

well what were you expecting them to look like Sasuke's parents but with pink hair?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:42 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 7 2012, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm really dissapointed in Kishi's design for Sakura's parents. Thy don't look like her at all! Where did she get the pink hair for example?

Her dad's hair is a faded pink - or at least that's how I've seen other fans interpreting it.

As for their designs, all we have is one small, bad quality colored picture, and a couple of rough sketches. I think we should wait to see them animated and in action in the movie (and possibly in Road to Sakura) before automatically judging them harshly. Their personalities seem like they'll be quite interesting characters too; physical appearance isn't the only thing we should base judgment on.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 6 2012, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Her dad's hair is a faded pink - or at least that's how I've seen other fans interpreting it.

As for their designs, all we have is one small, bad quality colored picture, and a couple of rough sketches. I think we should wait to see them animated and in action in the movie (and possibly in Road to Sakura) before automatically judging them harshly. Their personalities seem like they'll be quite interesting characters too; physical appearance isn't the only thing we should base judgment on.

Road to Sakura? WHAAAAAT? They are making 2 movies????

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