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[merryGOflava]

does anyone else besides me think sakura only wants sasuke back now for the sake of team seven and not so much herself? Cause I started to get that impression.

i think so and not cause ima narusaku fan either. i seems like she moved on (though she never said she liked him yet in part 2 anyway)

[Torxe]

i think so and not cause ima narusaku fan either. i seems like she moved on (though she never said she liked him yet in part 2 anyway)

I agree,

se either moved on or wants some closure on the matter.
(which doesn't necessarily mean he needs to come back to the village; I think it is definitly to late or still to early for that)

Considering she is even prepared to kill him.
(Although I have the impression that she did it more for Naruto and Sasuke than for team 7 which is a slight difference)

(though she never said she liked him yet in part 2 anyway)

I never noticed it until everyone started to point it out. (Or it is I who is to slow or it didn't stand out because they didn't talk a lot.)
Besides telling someone that tried to kill your teammate in their first reunion in 3 years that you like him, can be considered very rude for your teammate.
At least that's what I would think .

Edited by Torxe, 10 February 2011 - 07:52 AM.

[merryGOflava]

I never noticed it until everyone started to point it out. (Or it is I who is to slow or it didn't stand out because they didn't talk a lot.)
Besides telling someone that tried to kill your teammate in their first reunion in 3 years that you like him, can be considered very rude for your teammate.
At least that's what I would think .
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hmmm its either
1.she never brought up liking sasuke cause it was obvious thats she did.
2. cause she matured and wasnt all fangirly anymore
3. she wasnt sure is she totally liked him that way still
4. she just wanted him back for team 7....

im thinking its 2 then 4 later on.

[Torxe]

hmmm its either
1.she never brought up liking sasuke cause it was obvious thats she did.
2. cause she matured and wasnt all fangirly anymore
3. she wasnt sure is she totally liked him that way still
4. she just wanted him back for team 7....

im thinking its 2 then 4 later on.

1. It's pretty obvious before the timeskip (Naruto even pointed it out when making the POAL).
After the timeskip the question does she still loves sasuke was already raised in episode 1 so I don't think it's that obvious in part II

2. She definitely matured and started to understand that love has to come from two sides

3. Could be. (falling in love with Naruto could strengthen this feeling even more)

4. that would be shallow, just wanting somebody back just to have your group together again

[Otaru]

I think Sasuke's case i pretty difficult and complicated for Naruto and Sakura.
For us, time seemed to have been very long, but for Naruto and Sakura, time freezed.
It freezed back then, when Sasuke left with Orochimaru.
For them, Sasuke left because of his brother, because he wanted to be stronger, and because of his will of vengeance.
But, They never saw Sasuke as a bad guy.
Because they use to know him.
Even when Naruto was fighting with him, at the shores, he never stop to see Sasuke as his friend...
Demo... he tried to kill him.

Naruto in fact is right to still have faith, because it's obvious deep inside, Sasuke is still there, and suffering very much.
Sakura is very similar to Naruto.
She doesn't give up easily.

Naruto is stronger than her, and that's why she always depended on him so much.
But she's strong too, in my opinion, she has been very very confused in the last years, that's why she seems weak to some people.
I think for both of them, it's really very very recent that they've begin to realise how far Sasuke is gone...
That's why, i think Sakura need more time to recompose herself.

Edited by Otaru, 14 February 2011 - 11:49 PM.

[maliousdei]

hey guys, this has been bothering me for a while now and i want to clarify exactly how sakura's confession was for naruto's benefit. and if you can, please back it up with proof.

[Gravenimage]

hey guys, this has been bothering me for a while now and i want to clarify exactly how sakura's confession was for naruto's benefit. and if you can, please back it up with proof.

I think you should check past pages on this thread Sakura's confession has already been explained and clarify.

[Living Lavish]

hey guys, this has been bothering me for a while now and i want to clarify exactly how sakura's confession was for naruto's benefit. and if you can, please back it up with proof.

read throught the thread dude its explained a thousand times. its obvious.
shes thinks shes the source of his pain and she knew he would hate her for the rest of of life for killing sasuke but she was willing to live with that burden and be punished for Narutos benefit. what she did was selfless. she woulnd't have done anything if she didn't know Naruto was in love with her. you can see that Naruto understands what she was only wanting to protect him and keep him safe from badies that are after him.

Edited by Living Lavish, 15 February 2011 - 06:18 PM.

[Otaru]

Totally agree with that !

Demo... that makes me think about something : the page with Sai talking about Sakura's love for Sasuke, and about her will to kill him to prevent himself of his own crazyness... this page.
I feel it's like some hair on the soup.
It's weird.
I think Sai misunderstanding something there.

I truly think Sakura is suffering watching Sasuke became so so so bad, and have done so bad things, but i don't see her trying to kill him for the reason Sai believes in.
I'm kinda confused about that page.
It's obvious Sakura wanted to kill Sasuke herself because of Sai revelation about Naruto and the POAL.
I think if Shikamaru came to her, without Sai saying anything before, she wouldn't do anything like that !
If we imagine Sai haven't said anything, and Shika came and told Sakura what the rookies wanted to do about Sasuke... i think Sakura would have fully refuse, go mad, and then go to Naruto to sell him everything, and then the two opposes and confront the rookies.
Don't you all agree with me ?

Sakura had already discovered that Sasuke had became a great criminal, even if she did not actually really believe it, but I'm sure she would never want to kill him, even if the rookies would ask her.

She decided all this BECAUSE of Naruto's feeling, and FOR his sake.
I can't see anything else.
It's obvious to me.

She decided things this way because she just learntby Sai Naruto was suffering partly because of the POAL he made to her...
It was the worst thing for her ! I mean, it makes her suffer to see Naruto suffer, it has been prooved before, and she do not want to see him suffer.
The worst, would be him suffering because of her...
And with Sai telling her this, she decided to END ALL THAT suffering, by "terminate" Sasuke herself.

I really don't understand the "Sakura killing Sasuke because she love him" page.... really....
i think Sai isn't perfect yet with his analysis of sentimental things, and don't understand it all.

Maybe you have another opinion than me ? How have you all analysed this page ?

Edited by Otaru, 16 February 2011 - 01:48 AM.

[Living Lavish]

Totally agree with that !

Demo... that makes me think about something : the page with Sai talking about Sakura's love for Sasuke, and about her will to kill him to prevent himself of his own crazyness... this page.
I feel it's like some hair on the soup.
It's weird.
I think Sai misunderstanding something there.

I truly think Sakura is suffering watching Sasuke became so so so bad, and have done so bad things, but i don't see her trying to kill him for the reason Sai believes in.
I'm kinda confused about that page.
It's obvious Sakura wanted to kill Sasuke herself because of Sai revelation about Naruto and the POAL.
I think if Shikamaru came to her, without Sai saying anything before, she wouldn't do anything like that !
If we imagine Sai haven't said anything, and Shika came and told Sakura what the rookies wanted to do about Sasuke... i think Sakura would have fully refuse, go mad, and then go to Naruto to sell him everything, and then the two opposes and confront the rookies.
Don't you all agree with me ?

Sakura had already discovered that Sasuke had became a great criminal, even if she did not actually really believe it, but I'm sure she would never want to kill him, even if the rookies would ask her.

She decided all this BECAUSE of Naruto's feeling, and FOR his sake.
I can't see anything else.
It's obvious to me.

She decided things this way because she just learntby Sai Naruto was suffering partly because of the POAL he made to her...
It was the worst thing for her ! I mean, it makes her suffer to see Naruto suffer, it has been prooved before, and she do not want to see him suffer.
The worst, would be him suffering because of her...
And with Sai telling her this, she decided to END ALL THAT suffering, by "terminate" Sasuke herself.

I really don't understand the "Sakura killing Sasuke because she love him" page.... really....
i think Sai isn't perfect yet with his analysis of sentimental things, and don't understand it all.

Maybe you have another opinion than me ? How have you all analysed this page ?

I agree 100% its obvious to me too. she also knew how much POAL and sasuke was hurting him and after hearing sasuke joined madaras group (can't remeber the name) she new how much danger he was in. she also wanted to kill sasuke because at the end of the day his still a part of team 7.

[Strangelove]

saying...Sakura killing Sasuke because she loves him in a way its contradiction. Considering Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke, does that contradicts the words...she doesn't love him.

and saying Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she loves him, its also contradiction. Considering if Sakura really loved Sasuke she would put an end to his misery.

The only way they can prove this viewpoint is, Sakura wanted to terminate Naruto's suffering by killing Sasuke herself, she couldn't do it, because she still loves Sasuke more than Naruto.

That is the only argument that can break such cycle.

Edited by Strangelove, 16 February 2011 - 02:16 AM.

[Otaru]

I think she couldn't kill him because it's hard to kill someone we used to know, romantically involved or not.
And i think the fact she couldn't kill him doesn't proove any evidence that she love him more than Naruto, but that she still have feelings for him. No need to surpass her feeling for Naruto there.
She loved him once, maybe still loved him in a way, surrely struggling with all this a lot... it's hard to kill him with all this.

Edited by Otaru, 16 February 2011 - 02:22 AM.

[Living Lavish]

saying...Sakura killing Sasuke because she loves him in a way its contradiction. Considering Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke, does that contradicts the words...she doesn't love him.

and saying Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she loves him, its also contradiction. Considering if Sakura really loved Sasuke she would put an end to his misery.

The only way they can prove this viewpoint is, Sakura wanted to terminate Naruto's suffering by killing Sasuke herself, she couldn't do it, because she still loves Sasuke more than Naruto.

That is the only argument that can break such cycle.

whether she likes him romanticaly or not. hes still part of her life and memories of team 7.

I think you mean ''Sakura wanted to terminate Naruto's suffering by killing Sasuke herself, she couldn't do it, because she still loves Sasuke''.

i think she still loves sasuke but that dosn't mean more then Naruto. theres no evidence. she went there for Narutos sake and her feelings for him. she loves both. plus at the 2nd reunion you can see who her feelings shined for.

Edited by Living Lavish, 16 February 2011 - 02:51 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

saying...Sakura killing Sasuke because she loves him in a way its contradiction. Considering Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke, does that contradicts the words...she doesn't love him.

and saying Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke because she loves him, its also contradiction. Considering if Sakura really loved Sasuke she would put an end to his misery.

The only way they can prove this viewpoint is, Sakura wanted to terminate Naruto's suffering by killing Sasuke herself, she couldn't do it, because she still loves Sasuke more than Naruto.

That is the only argument that can break such cycle.

I think it was something like self-deception. She cared about Sasuke on the level of love (however you interpret that love). Usually when you love someone you want to save them at any cost. Compound this desire with the fact that she had given up on Sasuke's redemption and needed desperately to protect Naruto. So she tricked herself into believe that killing Sasuke was saving him. This way, it doesn't necessarily seem like she is giving up on Sasuke completely, something she probably wouldn't be able to handle. She isn't the type to give up easily, like Naruto. So that's why it kind of seems like self-deception in order to take some action to remedy the situation.

Buuut, I also believe Kishimoto sort of used Sakura as a ploy to make Naruto's choice more heroic seeming. He made a show of having Sakura and Kakashi both give up on saving Sasuke while having Naruto restate his desire to save him, even going beyond by standing alone to take Sasuke's hatred. Typical dumbing down of one character to make another look better.

[Derock]

Buuut, I also believe Kishimoto sort of used Sakura as a ploy to make Naruto's choice more heroic seeming. He made a show of having Sakura and Kakashi both give up on saving Sasuke while having Naruto restate his desire to save him, even going beyond by standing alone to take Sasuke's hatred. Typical dumbing down of one character to make another look better.

And so far he did it right. While make Naruto awesomer, Sakura is still getting the heat from the haters. My friend kept complaining about her even when I talked about her good points.

[Serenity Namikaze]

And so far he did it right. While make Naruto awesomer, Sakura is still getting the heat from the haters. My friend kept complaining about her even when I talked about her good points.

Because all the haters only see what they wish to see but skip the less visual aspect. Sure, she didn't have a flashy heroic moment like Naruto but she still is a big part of him realising Sasuke's true darkness, has he witnessed the Uchiha almost succeed at killing Sakura. There are many little things that Sakura have done, things that seem useless and not so heroic ( from the hateres point of view) but, even if I did like seeing Naruto rescuing Sakura in a bridal style, I find it more courageous and heroic to see how far she was willing to go to help Naruto, knowing that killing his best friend might make him hate her.

[Torxe]

I don't see how Kakashi and Sakura giving up on Sasuke is dumbing them down.
The rest of the village already gave up on him quite some time ago not to mention that even Naruto give up on bringing Sasuke back to the village.
it's not that he fully gave up he still wants to redeem Sasuke by taking the full brunt of his anger on him (and by doing this redeem the village for sacrificing Itachi to save Konoha from Sasuke's pov), so in a way he still wants to save him. Pretty much like Sakura wanted to kill him to avoid him sinking any lower.

I even think that he will let it be known in the village how Sasuke came to be this psycho and redeem Sasuke by doing so.(madara's story => if it's true ofcourse).

And Kakashi and Sakura seem content with this decision, Sakura even stated that she renewed her believe (?grammar?) in a happy ending for team 7.

Anyone that can change my opinion?

Edited by Torxe, 16 February 2011 - 08:17 AM.

[Gravenimage]

One thing for sure when the anime version of 474 is release we will know for certain what Sai will say to Naruto I still believe the chapter was miss translated.

[Torxe]

Considering the animators are NaruHina shippers (or at least a part of them). The chance still exists that they would "mis"translate (read edit) it themselves to have the same outcome as in the manga. Still holding my heart for when chapter 469-470 comes out in anime

[Miss Soupy]

I don't see how Kakashi and Sakura giving up on Sasuke is dumbing them down.
The rest of the village already gave up on him quite some time ago not to mention that even Naruto give up on bringing Sasuke back to the village.

The rest of the village didn't give up on Sasuke until just recently. Well, at least those that matter: the Konoha 12.

And I don't mean dumbing down as in acting stupid. I mean Kishi forced his character to change in order to benefit another character. He definitely changed Sakura to fit this. We go from, 'We'll bring him back together', a very important point for Sakura at the close of part I. To, 'I'll bring back Sasuke for you', also a very important moment where Sakura's interest shifts. To, 'I'll believe in both of them', essentially excluding herself from the dilemma that had been a center piece for both of them throughout the entire manga.

Doesn't it seem like something is odd here? The previous two meant she would take action. The last, simply faith. She stood aside to let Naruto do his thing. To me, that isn't how Sakura works. She doesn't just sit idle, she wants to be included. She is the one who didn't want to see their turned backs. Just believing in them is just watching. That is OOC for her.

Why would Kishi make her say this? Because he wanted the focus to be on Naruto, is my thought. Naruto's final decision was more important, and if he was made the last member of the village, and even the last member of team 7 that still would fight for Sasuke, then he would just look even more heroic. That's what that whole arc was moving towards: Naruto's final decision on what to do about Sasuke. That, over everything else, over what the rookies and even the girl who had loved Sasuke, he would not give up. Because only Naruto can be the one who stops the cycle of hatred. Which is fine, I know this story is about Naruto. I just don't appreciate forcing characters to fit a certain mold at any given time when previously they wouldn't have acted in such a way.

Regardless of what he had Sakura say or do, I still hope that Kishi intends to include her with whatever happens with Sasuke. At least for some closure for team 7.