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[Miss Soupy]

Sounds like a joke XD

I'd rather see a pink haired boy than have Naruto's kids all be dark Hyuuga's anyways. Eyes are creepy? y/y? D:

[Merger Knight]

itd be a ridiculous argument which id pcik apart if I wasnt laughing my arse off at the ansurdity of it.

first off the notion of them not being able to be together because theyd have a pink haired male child is silly, many males in anime have odd hair colors much less females and thus the argument is countered due to the trope of odd hair colors in anime beings o prevalent.

secondly. if we assume 2 children 1 male and 1 female it amkes more sence for the female to be blond and the make to have orange or pink hair anyways to counter the parental differences from an authors standpoint.

its a ridiculous argument and another in a long string of ridiculous arguments brought up by a desparate fandom that refuses to believe what logic and the manga tells them.

at least they are saying thay had a kid togher lol

[Miss Soupy]

Well, it looks like people at NF decided it would be fun to spam the debate thread, and it ended up being closed. I feel pretty disappointed with the fandom because of it. Honestly, it was the one place in NF where people could be (mostly) serious about debating their pairing. The rest of the forum is filled with NaruSaku hate, but at least there NS fans could show the beauty of our pairing. Sad to say, a majority of the spammers were NS supporters.

[Merger Knight]

Well, it looks like people at NF decided it would be fun to spam the debate thread, and it ended up being closed. I feel pretty disappointed with the fandom because of it. Honestly, it was the one place in NF where people could be (mostly) serious about debating their pairing. The rest of the forum is filled with NaruSaku hate, but at least there NS fans could show the beauty of our pairing. Sad to say, a majority of the spammers were NS supporters.

maybe they were pretend NS suporters who spammed on purpose

[TwilightLink20xx]

^Nope, they are serious NS fans. It's a shame indeed, but it doesn't shock me too much. I don't really debate there too much anyway, but that was the place I used to go to when I was just catching up, some of the posts there are why I really latched onto NaruSaku.

Anyways, this is a debate I got myself into on a site with a guy who I have pretty much gotten fed up with doing this with.

Okay, here's way we have in terms of "Hints"

Naruto is confirmed to love Sakura to this day (You can complain that this was voiced recently by a flashback, but you'd have to be a complete screw up of a writer to bring something completely irrelevant to the story if things had changed.).

Or you're putting it behind given it was ONLY addressed in flashback and comes from someone who doesn't understand human emotions. GREAT source

Hinata has been confirmed to love Naruto, confessed, and so far, nothing has happened, as well as the fact that she has faded into the background, and seems to be irrelevant to the storyline at this point.

Oh, look, Link uses the most biased interpretation to support his views. As usual. Kishimoto has never, ever left a plotline alone before, no, he ALWAYS addresses it immediately or it never happened (never mind Naruto's 'feelings' for Sakura weren't even mentioned again till now for over 150 chapters, or Sakura's feelings for Naruto coming into play till...well, since the damn Rescue Sasuke arc now). But since Kishimoto hasn't addressed Hinata's issue in a grand total of thirty chapters, she's faded into irrelevance (Despite Sakura doing that all the time)

Sakura had a crush on Sasuke in Part 1, confessed, and the crush hasn't been brought up by herself in the entirety of the 2nd part of the Manga, so it is possible that the crush is long dead. She has also shown signs that could possibly be interperated as either extremely close friendship or attraction. So far, Sakura's feelings have been kept a secret.

Oh, lord, you REALLY love distorting things. Never mind she bursts into tears when his life is threatened, attacks people for insulting him, is confirmed to love him in the databook, breaks into tears when he's mentioned...nope, it has to have changed. Why? It supports Link's pairing. Can we say hypocrisy? I knew we could.

And Sasuke's just Sasuke. He only loves revenge and hatred. Those are the only cannon Sasuke loves, Sasuke X Hatred and Sasuke X Revenge. (And that's exactly how I like it.)

Despite hints to the contrary before his current state

Well, it's certainly more than anything else that's been said. A good author doesn't remind his audience of a fact if it doesn't matter. Clearly, it does, that's all I'm saying. I could go through a rant on why, but the why isn't the issue here, the point is that he DOES, and last I checked Sai said EVEN I can see he [Naruto] loves you., which means he himself knows he's an idiot when it comes to emotions. He's saying it's that blatantly obvious. The point is that Naruto loves Sakura, point blank, End of story.

'More than anything else' You mean 'nothing?'
And you know something? Prove it. Show me ONE thing from Naruto to sakura, DIRECTLY shown in the past 200 chapters that's clearly romantic. Not some emotionally stunted assassin screaming it. ONE thing. Sorry, Sai's not a good source.
And Kishimoto ISN'T a good author, so there goes that point

Here's your problem, the Manga is starting it's last arc or two.

Prove it. Hey, is that ANOTHER biased statement from someone who has no idea how to debate his points?

Hinata has not been shown to be in any role, and the stage is about to go on a grander scale, not a smaller one. Unless things change, it isn't going to happen.
Prove it

Here's the thing though, Sakura is a MAIN CHARACTER, Hinata is a SIDE CHARACTER. There is a difference. She remains relevant to the main plot, not always the sub-arcs. Hinata is only important if she is involved in the story, she has never been tied to the main plot, and I doubt she will be any time soon. That's my point with that.

I read this as you just sobbing it. Sakura's a 'main character?' Yeah, she's been so active lately. *rolls eyes* Since when are side characters 'unimportant' anyways? Someone either failed writing 101 or never took it.
And Sakura has only been tangentially related to the main plot. A fraction of it has revolved around her at all.
Your argument is "Sakura must! She's a MAIN CHARACTER!" Because we all know the main guy always gets the main girl. Like in Dragonball. Or Saint Seiya. Or Fist of the North Star. Y'know, INSTEAD of the side charac-...wait

If we're gonna play Databook, then don't make me pull out Sakura's profile from Databook 3, not to mention the lack of a line from her in the last relationship chart in the mini-book from WSJ earlier this year (Oh, and BTW, Naruto had a Love arrow pointing to Sakura, so you can't use that argument if you wanted to). But that's Databook fodder, it doesn't matter.

Okaaaay, you mean where it says Sakura's feelings are ambiguous?
Naturally. 'Databook doesn't matter when it hurts my argument.'

Sakura also burst into tears when Naruto's life was threatened, Sakura is willing to attack people for Naruto as well, and most importantly, Sasuke was still her teammate.

No when Karui brought him up she wasn't.
Hey, Sakura cries when someone's life's in danger? Goodie. She cries at practically the mere mention of Sasuke this days.

That bursting into tears was also tied to a phrase that would usually be translated as "never" (they translated it differently because said phrase has no literal translation, but has a negative conatation). With this in mind, Sakura has not shown anything that ties her to the crush.

Lie.
Karui: What is he to you?!
Sakura: *Bursts into tears*
And her whole "Not another word" to Shikamaru with all the sobbing there. It's you distorting things. Again

Care to elaborate? And besides, his past has shown general distane for others if they stand in his way. Yes, he has an emotional tie to Team 7, but that is because it's a bond, nothing else. He himself hates having it, and is completely willing to kill Naruto and Sakura. Sasuke wants Revenge and Hate, nothing else.

See his whole seeing Team 7 just before he unleashes Amaterasu.

Seriously, Link, you are not good at debating. Spare me the effort of the next post if you're just going to interject the single most biased interpretation and inane logic into it.

[TwilightLink20xx]

(Double post due to quote limitations)

More than anything else' You mean 'nothing?'
And you know something? Prove it. Show me ONE thing from Naruto to sakura, DIRECTLY shown in the past 200 chapters that's clearly romantic. Not some emotionally stunted assassin screaming it. ONE thing. Sorry, Sai's not a good source.

Same flashback still counts, Naruto flips out when Sai says he can tell he has a thing for Sakura. He technically doesn't flat out state it, but he implies he does when he gets to his next statement. Why hasn't he shown anything? Because he thinks she doesn't like him, simple as that. He explains he can't just tell her because he feels like he's inadequate. Need me to source it? Fine. Naruto 457 Pages 11 & 12.

And Kishimoto ISN'T a good author, so there goes that point

That is a matter of opinion, and I for one think he is, and does a hell of a better job than most of the other crap I've seen in movies and comics as of late.

Prove it. Hey, is that ANOTHER biased statement from someone who has no idea how to debate his points?

Prove yourself, show me the panels, you're the one that needs to learn to debate. I'm asking you for evidence just as you asked me. I can't ask Kishi, but you can't show me that he intends to either, so the point is moot.

Prove it

Simple, it hasn't been implied. As I stated, Kishi would have to place her into a role, and as of now I just don't see it. It's possible that she and the rest of the rookies become obstacles, but that's reliant on Naruto's reaction to their decision to kill Sasuke. I can't prove anything more, and guess what? Neither can you.

read this as you just sobbing it. Sakura's a 'main character?' Yeah, she's been so active lately. *rolls eyes* Since when are side characters 'unimportant' anyways? Someone either failed writing 101 or never took it.

First off, why the heck would I be sobbing? And secondly, it's because we went on a tangent from the main goal; the Pain arc had nothing to do with Sasuke, and Sakura was never meant to be a key player in that arc. And before that was a nearly exclusively Sasuke arc, even NARUTO wasn't relevant to that one.

As for side characters, if they aren't impacting the plot, then they're simply there, therefor they are unimportant. Yes, you can pull them in, but they need to be doing something, serving some kind of purpose. I'd say that someone has failed it indeed.

And Sakura has only been tangentially related to the main plot. A fraction of it has revolved around her at all.
Your argument is "Sakura must! She's a MAIN CHARACTER!" Because we all know the main guy always gets the main girl. Like in Dragonball. Or Saint Seiya. Or Fist of the North Star. Y'know, INSTEAD of the side charac-...wait

First off , you should NEVER say that one work effects another when it's from a different author. Secondly, in all of those works, the main character got with the girl he wanted. And who would that be here? Oh, I don't know, maybe Sakura? I'd be fine with NaruHina if it wasn't pulled out of the air, but guess what? There's nothing there. There's no sign of ANYTHING EVER being there. A one-sided confession isn't going to go anywhere if the second party isn't interested. So far, Naruto isn't. Can Kishi change that? Yes. But has he? No.

Okaaaay, you mean where it says Sakura's feelings are ambiguous?
Naturally. 'Databook doesn't matter when it hurts my argument.'

Yes, I do mean that one, it proves that Sakura may indeed be feeling something for Naruto, which is more than can be said of Naruto towards Hinata. And my feelings have ALWAYS been that the Databooks don't count, and are simply supplemental material, with the Manga always taking priority. BTW, YOU brought them up, not me.

No when Karui brought him up she wasn't.
Hey, Sakura cries when someone's life's in danger? Goodie. She cries at practically the mere mention of Sasuke this days.

As previously stated, there is still a bond. And again, crying =/= to "OMG, I Love Him". If crying means caring about someone that way, then Sakura loves Naruto more, because we've seen her cry about him more than she has for Sasuke. Heck, NARUTO has cried over Sasuke more. There's a sibling bond between Team 7, simple as that.

Lie.
Karui: What is he to you?!
Sakura: *Bursts into tears*
And her whole "Not another word" to Shikamaru with all the sobbing there. It's you distorting things. Again

You're taking my words out of context. I meant her crying was preceded by a phrase that would be translated as "never", which is denial that Sasuke is in Akatsuki.

As for the "Not Another Word", she was just getting over the shocker from Sai, by the time she is up, she's not crying.

See his whole seeing Team 7 just before he unleashes Amaterasu.

Is simply a reminder that he got from Taka. It's more of a Taka moment than a Team 7 moment. Keep in mind he also stated he wants to kill EVERYONE in Konoha.

Seriously, Link, you are not good at debating. Spare me the effort of the next post if you're just going to interject the single most biased interpretation and inane logic into it.

Sorry if my opinions offend you, but yours are just as biased as mine. And I'm not going to let your opinion of my debate get to me either, 'cause frankly, I don't care, at least I have more sources than you do. And frankly Snake, if you really didn't care, you wouldn't reply.

I typically never use colorful language, and know that it's not the best thing to write, but I've had it up to here *pulls hand over neck* with this guy.

[Derock]

Wow, you're in something here... let's see...

Or you're putting it behind given it was ONLY addressed in flashback and comes from someone who doesn't understand human emotions. GREAT source

Flashbacks does count because they are sources for further info on character development, plot, etc. And although Sai doesn't understand human emotions, he's getting there. Its called development.

Oh, look, Link uses the most biased interpretation to support his views. As usual. Kishimoto has never, ever left a plotline alone before, no, he ALWAYS addresses it immediately or it never happened (never mind Naruto's 'feelings' for Sakura weren't even mentioned again till now for over 150 chapters, or Sakura's feelings for Naruto coming into play till...well, since the damn Rescue Sasuke arc now). But since Kishimoto hasn't addressed Hinata's issue in a grand total of thirty chapters, she's faded into irrelevance (Despite Sakura doing that all the time)

Sakura haven't faded into irrevelance. I see her more so (in terms in plot and in panels) than Hinata. And what about you, saying NaruSaku is biased, NaruHina is just as biased in terms like this.

More than anything else' You mean 'nothing?'
And you know something? Prove it. Show me ONE thing from Naruto to sakura, DIRECTLY shown in the past 200 chapters that's clearly romantic. Not some emotionally stunted assassin screaming it. ONE thing. Sorry, Sai's not a good source.

How can Naruto say this directly when he can't at the moment, says so as he talked to Sai in the flashback? And as I said before, Sai is beginning to understand human emotion ever since after the Sasuke and Sai arc. Kakashi had said this to him indirectly before Sai told Sakura about Naruto's feelings for her.

I read this as you just sobbing it. Sakura's a 'main character?' Yeah, she's been so active lately. *rolls eyes* Since when are side characters 'unimportant' anyways? Someone either failed writing 101 or never took it.
And Sakura has only been tangentially related to the main plot. A fraction of it has revolved around her at all.
Your argument is "Sakura must! She's a MAIN CHARACTER!" Because we all know the main guy always gets the main girl. Like in Dragonball. Or Saint Seiya. Or Fist of the North Star. Y'know, INSTEAD of the side charac-...wait

Sakura is the main character and the most recurring female. Hinata is a supporting character, shown only something is relevant towards an arc that she's needed in. And let's not comparing this to other mangas, many have similarities, but have different stuff.

No when Karui brought him up she wasn't.
Hey, Sakura cries when someone's life's in danger? Goodie. She cries at practically the mere mention of Sasuke this days.

She doesn't exactly know that Karui was the one who beated Naruto up in the first place. All she was told from Sai that Naruto was beated up for defending Sasuke (and the fact he wants to get rid of revenge). And the theme, bonds, are in play.

Ok... I'm about to stop right here and left the rest alone because you had already answered them, Link.

[Jenskott]

TwilightLink (nice name, by the way, even if I favour A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening and Ocarina of Time over Twilight Princess. I know, I'm predictable ) I don't think I can add anything to your arguments. You made a good work.

However I'm not impressed with your oponent. He (I'm assuming here) was offensive, tiring, conceited, talked down to you, slandered your arguments instead of providing you with replies, and accussed you of lacking logic and arguments and being biased as he pretended he was being logical and unbiased!

All of tose are the marks of a bad debater.

I find awfully hilarious like he claimed your arguments were illogical and unbiased when he claimed Sakura was unimportant and got angry when you told Hinata was irrelevant (scratch that. It was the other way around. YOU stated Hinata was irrelevant -which is true-, and he replied Sakura was unimportant -which is untrue- insttead of proving Hinata's relevanc).

And Good Lord, when you told there were only one or two arcs left and he screamed "Prove it". That's common sense! Think of all what is happening and how much secrets have been revealed: Thre're only three Akatsuki left, there're only two Jinchuuriki left and Kisame is going to fight Kirabii, Naruto has been acknowledged by the whole town, knows who his father is and who is behind Akatsuki, the Big Bad has revealed his evil ploy,Danzo is trying seizing power, Sasuke is seeking revenge, Naruto and Sakura know what their ex-friend is up, Sai has forced Sakura to acknowledge Naruto's feelings openly and facing him, we have met all Kages...

Honestly, how much history is left unless Kishimoto comes up with a new villain and new misteries out of nowhere? Of course, he MIGHT do right that. But it isn't farfetched thinking the plot is coming to a closing.

Oh, and that "Kishimoto isn't a good author, so your point is moot" cracked me up, even if I have my own gripes and complains about the history.

He isn't a good author? Alright. But that's your opinion personal. And if he changed his history for catering your wishes and wants, then he would be an AWFUL author. And that's a fact.

[Froot]

Hey, Twilight, can you give me a link or something to this person's profile? They've managed to piss me off enough to make me want to debate with them personally. Their arguments reek with hypocrisy

[RedDelicious]

Prove it. Show me ONE thing from Naruto to sakura, DIRECTLY shown in the past 200 chapters that's clearly romantic.

It's 220 chapters back, but it is post-time skip.
Chapter 247, page 3. Naruto asks Sakura on a date. It is clearly romantic. His eyes bug out when he realizes (after Kakashi leaves) that he is alone with Sakura. Then he is nervous when asking for the date (hands behind the head, eyes tense). The scene turns comedic when Naruto remembers he doesn't have enough funds to take advantage of Sakura saying yes, but it is clearly romantic. (This is reinforced on the next page, when he asks if Shikamaru is on a date too, nudge nudge wink wink.)

And Kishimoto ISN'T a good author, so there goes that point

There's no point arguing with this doofus. If he won't accept canon (what the author writes) as "proof", what exactly will he accept?

Edited: Derock pointed chap 457 should have been 247

Edited by RedDelicious, 26 October 2009 - 07:10 PM.

[Derock]

It's 220 chapters back, but it is post-time skip.
Chapter 457, page 3.

Wrong chapter. Its 247.

[Merger Knight]

^Nope, they are serious NS fans. It's a shame indeed, but it doesn't shock me too much. I don't really debate there too much anyway, but that was the place I used to go to when I was just catching up, some of the posts there are why I really latched onto NaruSaku.

Anyways, this is a debate I got myself into on a site with a guy who I have pretty much gotten fed up with doing this with.


Or you're putting it behind given it was ONLY addressed in flashback and comes from someone who doesn't understand human emotions. GREAT source


Oh, look, Link uses the most biased interpretation to support his views. As usual. Kishimoto has never, ever left a plotline alone before, no, he ALWAYS addresses it immediately or it never happened (never mind Naruto's 'feelings' for Sakura weren't even mentioned again till now for over 150 chapters, or Sakura's feelings for Naruto coming into play till...well, since the damn Rescue Sasuke arc now). But since Kishimoto hasn't addressed Hinata's issue in a grand total of thirty chapters, she's faded into irrelevance (Despite Sakura doing that all the time)



Oh, lord, you REALLY love distorting things. Never mind she bursts into tears when his life is threatened, attacks people for insulting him, is confirmed to love him in the databook, breaks into tears when he's mentioned...nope, it has to have changed. Why? It supports Link's pairing. Can we say hypocrisy? I knew we could.


Despite hints to the contrary before his current state


'More than anything else' You mean 'nothing?'
And you know something? Prove it. Show me ONE thing from Naruto to sakura, DIRECTLY shown in the past 200 chapters that's clearly romantic. Not some emotionally stunted assassin screaming it. ONE thing. Sorry, Sai's not a good source.
And Kishimoto ISN'T a good author, so there goes that point



Prove it. Hey, is that ANOTHER biased statement from someone who has no idea how to debate his points?





I read this as you just sobbing it. Sakura's a 'main character?' Yeah, she's been so active lately. *rolls eyes* Since when are side characters 'unimportant' anyways? Someone either failed writing 101 or never took it.
And Sakura has only been tangentially related to the main plot. A fraction of it has revolved around her at all.
Your argument is "Sakura must! She's a MAIN CHARACTER!" Because we all know the main guy always gets the main girl. Like in Dragonball. Or Saint Seiya. Or Fist of the North Star. Y'know, INSTEAD of the side charac-...wait


Okaaaay, you mean where it says Sakura's feelings are ambiguous?
Naturally. 'Databook doesn't matter when it hurts my argument.'


No when Karui brought him up she wasn't.
Hey, Sakura cries when someone's life's in danger? Goodie. She cries at practically the mere mention of Sasuke this days.


Lie.
Karui: What is he to you?!
Sakura: *Bursts into tears*
And her whole "Not another word" to Shikamaru with all the sobbing there. It's you distorting things. Again



See his whole seeing Team 7 just before he unleashes Amaterasu.

Seriously, Link, you are not good at debating. Spare me the effort of the next post if you're just going to interject the single most biased interpretation and inane logic into it.

(Double post due to quote limitations)


Same flashback still counts, Naruto flips out when Sai says he can tell he has a thing for Sakura. He technically doesn't flat out state it, but he implies he does when he gets to his next statement. Why hasn't he shown anything? Because he thinks she doesn't like him, simple as that. He explains he can't just tell her because he feels like he's inadequate. Need me to source it? Fine. Naruto 457 Pages 11 & 12.



That is a matter of opinion, and I for one think he is, and does a hell of a better job than most of the other crap I've seen in movies and comics as of late.



Prove yourself, show me the panels, you're the one that needs to learn to debate. I'm asking you for evidence just as you asked me. I can't ask Kishi, but you can't show me that he intends to either, so the point is moot.



Simple, it hasn't been implied. As I stated, Kishi would have to place her into a role, and as of now I just don't see it. It's possible that she and the rest of the rookies become obstacles, but that's reliant on Naruto's reaction to their decision to kill Sasuke. I can't prove anything more, and guess what? Neither can you.



First off, why the heck would I be sobbing? And secondly, it's because we went on a tangent from the main goal; the Pain arc had nothing to do with Sasuke, and Sakura was never meant to be a key player in that arc. And before that was a nearly exclusively Sasuke arc, even NARUTO wasn't relevant to that one.

As for side characters, if they aren't impacting the plot, then they're simply there, therefor they are unimportant. Yes, you can pull them in, but they need to be doing something, serving some kind of purpose. I'd say that someone has failed it indeed.



First off , you should NEVER say that one work effects another when it's from a different author. Secondly, in all of those works, the main character got with the girl he wanted. And who would that be here? Oh, I don't know, maybe Sakura? I'd be fine with NaruHina if it wasn't pulled out of the air, but guess what? There's nothing there. There's no sign of ANYTHING EVER being there. A one-sided confession isn't going to go anywhere if the second party isn't interested. So far, Naruto isn't. Can Kishi change that? Yes. But has he? No.


Yes, I do mean that one, it proves that Sakura may indeed be feeling something for Naruto, which is more than can be said of Naruto towards Hinata. And my feelings have ALWAYS been that the Databooks don't count, and are simply supplemental material, with the Manga always taking priority. BTW, YOU brought them up, not me.



As previously stated, there is still a bond. And again, crying =/= to "OMG, I Love Him". If crying means caring about someone that way, then Sakura loves Naruto more, because we've seen her cry about him more than she has for Sasuke. Heck, NARUTO has cried over Sasuke more. There's a sibling bond between Team 7, simple as that.




You're taking my words out of context. I meant her crying was preceded by a phrase that would be translated as "never", which is denial that Sasuke is in Akatsuki.

As for the "Not Another Word", she was just getting over the shocker from Sai, by the time she is up, she's not crying.


Is simply a reminder that he got from Taka. It's more of a Taka moment than a Team 7 moment. Keep in mind he also stated he wants to kill EVERYONE in Konoha.



Sorry if my opinions offend you, but yours are just as biased as mine. And I'm not going to let your opinion of my debate get to me either, 'cause frankly, I don't care, at least I have more sources than you do. And frankly Snake, if you really didn't care, you wouldn't reply.

I typically never use colorful language, and know that it's not the best thing to write, but I've had it up to here *pulls hand over neck* with this guy.

I wonder if really beliuves it or just likes to fight

[Miss Soupy]

Eh, I like debating, and this guy was extremely fun to prove wrong XD I may finish some of the other points later, not sure.

Or you're putting it behind given it was ONLY addressed in flashback and comes from someone who doesn't understand human emotions. GREAT source

Sai noticed it, but Naruto confirmed it. Naruto is a wonderful source for information on his own feelings, don’t you think?

Oh, look, Link uses the most biased interpretation to support his views. As usual. Kishimoto has never, ever left a plotline alone before, no, he ALWAYS addresses it immediately or it never happened (never mind Naruto's 'feelings' for Sakura weren't even mentioned again till now for over 150 chapters, or Sakura's feelings for Naruto coming into play till...well, since the damn Rescue Sasuke arc now). But since Kishimoto hasn't addressed Hinata's issue in a grand total of thirty chapters, she's faded into irrelevance (Despite Sakura doing that all the time)

Trying to attack your opponent debater doesn’t exactly make you more right. It is your job to attack the topic being debated, not the person, and you attack it with manga evidence. The fact remains, Naruto has not addressed Hinata’s confession as of yet. He may address it, he may not address it. Not addressing it right away gives one an impression that it is, for whatever reason, not of importance to the story at the current point. Sad, but true. Meanwhile, Sakura and Naruto’s feelings are important to the story currently, for their relationship is being addressed instead. Sorry if you don’t like it, this is what is happening currently. What happens in the future is highly up to interpretation, and even then you may very well end up being wrong.

Oh, lord, you REALLY love distorting things. Never mind she bursts into tears when his life is threatened, attacks people for insulting him, is confirmed to love him in the databook, breaks into tears when he's mentioned...nope, it has to have changed. Why? It supports Link's pairing. Can we say hypocrisy? I knew we could.

Sakura bursts into tears when Sasuke’s life is threatened. She also does this for Naruto.
Sakura attacks people for insulting Sasuke. She also does this for Naruto.
Sakura breaks into tears when he’s mentioned. More like, she gets depressed. But so does Naruto.
The databook said she was in love with him. The recent databook said she was confused about her feelings for Naruto.
Does this all equal proof she loves Sasuke more than Naruto? No.

'More than anything else' You mean 'nothing?'
And you know something? Prove it. Show me ONE thing from Naruto to sakura, DIRECTLY shown in the past 200 chapters that's clearly romantic. Not some emotionally stunted assassin screaming it. ONE thing. Sorry, Sai's not a good source.
And Kishimoto ISN'T a good author, so there goes that point

Well, you got us there. The parts that show Naruto -> Sakura are majorly comedic. He does show obvious attraction to her (hence the hot springs scene), but I know, that doesn’t mean love. However, there is something you must take into account, and that is the promise. Naruto does not do romantic things with Sakura because he promised her Sasuke. This promise assumes she loves Sasuke, by the way, not that he actually knows if she does. He treats her as someone he can’t have. But he wants her, Kishi has made that clear. And Sai is a good source actually. Through Sai, Naruto’s feelings for Sakura were confirmed without a doubt for the first time in part II. Kishimoto isn’t a good author? Or perhaps, he isn’t good when he writes in NaruSaku, but he is good when he writes in NaruHina? What you as the reader wants to see out of the manga may not at all correspond with what the author wants to write.

I read this as you just sobbing it. Sakura's a 'main character?' Yeah, she's been so active lately. *rolls eyes* Since when are side characters 'unimportant' anyways? Someone either failed writing 101 or never took it.
And Sakura has only been tangentially related to the main plot. A fraction of it has revolved around her at all.
Your argument is "Sakura must! She's a MAIN CHARACTER!" Because we all know the main guy always gets the main girl. Like in Dragonball. Or Saint Seiya. Or Fist of the North Star. Y'know, INSTEAD of the side charac-...wait

Interesting. Rather than somehow proving Hinata’s character has huge value, you decide to attack Sakura’s character. And Sakura does have her hand in the major plot issue, which is retrieving Sasuke. They haven’t, as of yet, decided to give up on him. Hinata has nothing to do with Sasuke, so she is not part of that plot. Now, side characters are not unimportant, I don’t believe anyone is trying to say they have no worth. However, they are not, usually, as important as the main characters. Sakura has a lot more panel time than Hinata because Sakura’s character is more relevant to the ongoing plot. Hinata’s relevance comes in and out rather than being more static. And yes, Sakura is the main female character of the manga. She gains that role because of the importance of team 7 to the hero of the story: Naruto. Sasuke is a main character because of his previous bond with Naruto. Sakura is a main character as Naruto’s love interest and close friend, Kakashi is a main character as the teacher.

Lie.
Karui: What is he to you?!
Sakura: *Bursts into tears*
And her whole "Not another word" to Shikamaru with all the sobbing there. It's you distorting things. Again

Sakura crying does not mean she is in love with the person she is crying about. She has cried over Naruto multiple times, too. Her inability to answer Karui, however, can be interpreted as she doesn’t really know what she is to Sasuke. I think, more than anything, it shows Sakura is confused. She could not answer strongly with ‘he is the one I love!’ or anything relating to how she feels. Kishi had a perfect opportunity there to clear up Sakura’s vague feelings for Sasuke, but he didn’t. It remains unclear how Sakura feels.

See his whole seeing Team 7 just before he unleashes Amaterasu.

Seriously, Link, you are not good at debating. Spare me the effort of the next post if you're just going to interject the single most biased interpretation and inane logic into it.

Once again you choose to attack the debater rather than proving your points with manga evidence. Doesn’t really prove your point at all. Sasuke thought of team 7 briefly. Once. He has not thought of them in a good light since. I’m not sure what your point is. Perhaps you are arguing that Sasuke could be redeemed somehow? I believe he could as well. However, he is no where near that point, at the moment. He has almost completely given in to hatred, as pointed out by Madara and his current team. Also, Sasuke’s redemption does not mean SasuSaku will automatically happen. Sasuke has never been shown to be in love with Sakura, for one. Also, Sakura isn’t obligated to love Sasuke either. In order for SasuSaku to happen, Sasuke must fall in love with Sakura and Sakura must be in love with Sasuke. Possible? Yes. Probable at this point? No.

[Jenskott]

I just realized that chap picked on several shonen series in order to build the fragile foundations of his/HER "Main characters don't end up together". Given that he picked on several of my favorite mangas EVER, and not everyone in this site will know about them -hence, they won't acknowledge his/her fallacies like such- I can't let this alone.

Saint Seiya - What is this person talking about? Seiya was in love with the female main character. It was hinted he was in love with Saori and his feelings were requited. They didn't end up together because the series didn't focus on romance, but they didn't get together with other people either.

Certainly Seiya didn't get together with the woman who confessed her feelings to him after getting nearly killed when she was trying defending him. And it was never hinted Seiya was in love with her. Actually, Shaina blatantly stated "You will never love me, won't you?".

Does it sound familiar? It should.

Fist of North Star - I don't know if there's one woman in the entire cast can fill the "female lead" shoes. But definitely Yuria -Kenshiro's girlfriend- is the most important female character in the series. She had tons of flashbacks and plenty backstory and her actions greatly affected the plot and the remainder characters, even if she didn't got much screentime. And she was stablished like Kenshiro's love interest early on.

Who else would be the female lead? Lynne? She was a little kid and a practically a cheerleader during the fights. Mamiya? She got a mayor role in ONE early arc and she faded in the background after Rei's death, right like Rei's sister. Oh, and she was in love with Kenshiro but he rejected her advances because he already was in love with another person.

Does it sound familiar?

[Merger Knight]

Once again you choose to attack the debater rather than proving your points with manga evidence. Doesn’t really prove your point at all.

some people think if they can discreadit the poster their point will be fact

Sasuke thought of team 7 briefly. Once. He has not thought of them in a good light since.

what chapter/page or episode was that?

[catsi563]

it was in the chapter 414 page 16 where he fought hachibi with team hawk.

and he wasnt even really thinking about team 7 as a an entity.

he was thinking and reminded of the bonds he had shared with them, and how those bonds applied to team taka. It was as the side note said. looking back, he wasnt alone.

that moment of reallization is what enables him to gain the mangekyo and the power of amateratsu.

just to clarify to its one fo sasukes few postive steps forward in part 2. A moment when he embraces even if only briefly one fo the key themes of the manga.

gaining greater strength when protecting those preciosu to you.

Edited by catsi563, 26 October 2009 - 07:12 PM.

[Jenskott]

I haven't read spoilers in a long time, I'm not reading the current spoilers and I don't intend changing that.

But I have heard in the current chapter Sakura actually confess Naruto she is in love with him, but he doesn't want believing her. Is that true?

And a bunch of NaruSaku fans are FREAKING OUT about it? Sakura has stated outloud she loves Naruto now (right like we have been telling for ages) and NS fans think the pairing is dead?

I don't understand. If someone should be panicking right now are SasuSaku fans (and people thinking she would forgot Naruto the first second she saw Sasuke).

We have got confirmation of Naruto's feelings and proof of Sakura's feelings. The only trouble now is Naruto believes her (so I think she will try proving herself to him in some fashion).

Fandom is always overreacting. I didn't expect Sakura actually confessed (I thought she would try talking Naruto in stopping holding onto his promise and explain to him what their friends are planning), so I'm very glad.

[Derock]

I haven't read spoilers in a long time, I'm not reading the current spoilers and I don't intend changing that.

But I have heard in the current chapter Sakura actually confess Naruto she is in love with him, but he doesn't want believing her. Is that true?

And a bunch of NaruSaku fans are FREAKING OUT about it? Sakura has stated outloud she loves Naruto now (right like we have been telling for ages) and NS fans think the pairing is dead?

I don't understand. If someone should be panicking right now are SasuSaku fans (and people thinking she would forgot Naruto the first second she saw Sasuke).

We have got confirmation of Naruto's feelings and proof of Sakura's feelings. The only trouble now is Naruto believes her (so I think she will try proving herself to him in some fashion).

Fandom is always overreacting. I didn't expect Sakura actually confessed (I thought she would try talking Naruto in stopping holding onto his promise and explain to him what their friends are planning), so I'm very glad.

Shh... the chapter isn't out yet.

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Actually, this week spoilers used the "what's underneath the underneath" again. As in Naruto noticed something off in Sakura's confession towards him.

[clau1912]

I haven't read spoilers in a long time, I'm not reading the current spoilers and I don't intend changing that.

But I have heard in the current chapter Sakura actually confess Naruto she is in love with him, but he doesn't want believing her. Is that true?

And a bunch of NaruSaku fans are FREAKING OUT about it? Sakura has stated outloud she loves Naruto now (right like we have been telling for ages) and NS fans think the pairing is dead?

I don't understand. If someone should be panicking right now are SasuSaku fans (and people thinking she would forgot Naruto the first second she saw Sasuke).

We have got confirmation of Naruto's feelings and proof of Sakura's feelings. The only trouble now is Naruto believes her (so I think she will try proving herself to him in some fashion).

Fandom is always overreacting. I didn't expect Sakura actually confessed (I thought she would try talking Naruto in stopping holding onto his promise and explain to him what their friends are planning), so I'm very glad.

Trust me, when the manga comes out you'll realize why people are freaking out. I'm one of them, by the way, and for a very good reason that most haven't seen. The only thing I'm going to tell you is that when you do read it, read between the and you'll notice.

As for me, never in my life I thought that such an apparently romantic moment would bring me such disappointment, I'm still in shock. It's too ironic.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Trust me, when the manga comes out you'll realize why people are freaking out. I'm one of them, by the way, and for a very good reason that most haven't seen. The only thing I'm going to tell you is that when you do read it, read between the and you'll notice.

Reading between the lines is what got us the NaruHina fandom. Please, don't read in between the lines when it clearly in writing. I noticed something different it not him saying he doesn't love her. He just doesn't believe her and who could balm him.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 27 October 2009 - 03:32 AM.