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[Phantom_999]

Yeah wasn't the reason fans LOOOOOOOOVED Hinata in the first place was that she was a shy big kittened (as of part 2) submissive girl at was SOOOOO enamored with The MC that was being treated like trash by everyone else and therefore she deserves said main character?  That WAS IT, wasn't it?

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 April 2018 - 03:08 PM.

[rocci]

Yeah wasn't the reason fans LOOOOOOOOVED Hinata in the first place was that she was a shy big kittened (as of part 2) submissive girl at was SOOOOO enamored with The MC that was being treated like trash by everyone else and therefore she deserves said main character?  That WAS IT, wasn't it?

That's another reason. But that's not always the case.

In darling in the franxx anime the "Hinata" type character get hate because she "betray" her partner robot pilot by choosing another robot pilot that like "Sasuke" type.

What make Hinata popular is that :
1. She like Naruto when no other like him
2. She isnt Sasuke fan
3. She's not useless (in part 1 she's a Hyuga)
4. She has big rack
5. Her shyness is cute (moe)
6. People like her backstory.

In order word Hinata is a complete package or an already naked cake.

Unlike sakura who is all about progres. Sakura is still mold but fandom doesn't have patience toward her and so she's hate.

[James S Cassidy]

What I don't get out of all of this is just how many excuses they make for these characters being bad people.

I was recently pushed to a video by double4anime and basically in the video he talks about how Naruto has become such a horrible person and how his problems are not because of outside influence, but his own personal issues with his family and most of the comments are just random dribble of people just making excuse after excuse THey keep saying that change was inevitable and that he was never going to say the young naive kid that he was and how Naruto is so much smarter now. It is ridiculous.

Like, sure Naruto can change, but that doesn't mean he would change in a good way.

[RulesofNature]

What I don't get out of all of this is just how many excuses they make for these characters being bad people.

I was recently pushed to a video by double4anime and basically in the video he talks about how Naruto has become such a horrible person and how his problems are not because of outside influence, but his own personal issues with his family and most of the comments are just random dribble of people just making excuse after excuse THey keep saying that change was inevitable and that he was never going to say the young naive kid that he was and how Naruto is so much smarter now. It is ridiculous.

Like, sure Naruto can change, but that doesn't mean he would change in a good way.

 

Man. I'm watching that video and boy does it make Naruto look bad.  Naruto worships a system, one the video itself acknowledges as flawed. A system we've seen victims of all throughout the show. Despite all the talk no jutsu, despite him promising to change things, Naruto is still in love with that same system. A system where the Uchiha were wiped out for the good of the village, with the truth of the matter being hidden from the public. A system where branch members of a clan are subjugated and expected to die for the main branch. A system that trains child soldiers and is willing to kill a 12 year old for defecting from Konoha.

 

This video pretty much argues that all of these issues were thrown in Naruto's face... and he failed to grasp what they really meant. His worship of The Will of Fire and the title of Hokage meant championing that which has caused so much suffering in the world. And he's trying to pass this mindset onto both Boruto and Sarada.

 

Japan was right, Naruto is the worst scumbag. I can't help but feel so many other shonen protagonists would want to beat the stuffing out of him over what he has become.

[Phantom_999]

What I don't get out of all of this is just how many excuses they make for these characters being bad people.

I was recently pushed to a video by double4anime and basically in the video he talks about how Naruto has become such a horrible person and how his problems are not because of outside influence, but his own personal issues with his family and most of the comments are just random dribble of people just making excuse after excuse THey keep saying that change was inevitable and that he was never going to say the young naive kid that he was and how Naruto is so much smarter now. It is ridiculous.

Like, sure Naruto can change, but that doesn't mean he would change in a good way.

 
OH YEAH, He is. SO. MUCH. SMARTER. NOW. Is that why he turned into a hypocrite and liar who said he will change the ninja system that always  makes pragmatic and bigoted sacrifices that causes suffering for anyone that is treated as pawn to be disposed of, or how he tells his own child that loneliness and parental neglect is something he has to suck up? Even though he, Naruto, grew up as an orphan and ALWAYS WANTED parents that others took for granted? Is that why he is letting Orochimaru continue his human rights violating experiments and is even privy to and encouraging of it? Is that why He is a deatbeat husband and neglectful father that not trying to be a family man when he ALWAYS wanted a family in the first place. And no, don't give me that whole village is family BS, because apparently all other Hokages that had a nuclear family spent time with said family via implication or on panel. Naruto is explicitly stated to never be at home for more than a few minutes to change and get ready for his graveyard shift. RIGHT so being a hypocrite and neglectful father/husband is a sign of intelligence. LESSON LEARNED
 

That's another reason. But that's not always the case.

In darling in the franxx anime the "Hinata" type character get hate because she "betray" her partner robot pilot by choosing another robot pilot that like "Sasuke" type.

What make Hinata popular is that :
1. She like Naruto when no other like him
2. She isnt Sasuke fan
3. She's not useless (in part 1 she's a Hyuga)
4. She has big rack
5. Her shyness is cute (moe)
6. People like her backstory.

In order word Hinata is a complete package or an already naked cake.

Unlike sakura who is all about progres. Sakura is still mold but fandom doesn't have patience toward her and so she's hate.

I basically say that all the time dude.  And her being a Hyuga is irrelavent because noone seems to care about Naruto being married into a rich family, and if you are implying Sakura is useless then everyone but Naruto and Sasuke was useless in the end weren't they?

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 April 2018 - 06:08 PM.

[rocci]

Actually hibata being a Hyuga is relevant to this discussion. Recently I go to sakura vs Hinata discussion, all the people that said Hinata Will win simply because she's a Hyuga. They (over)hype hyuga since Hinata come from them. You should familiar with one of anti ns excuse that sakura is useless while Hinata is not because she's coming from Hyuga clan. Ffs, those people still cling to the idea that rock Lee can't beat Neji. Hyuga is all hype but fan brought it.

Sakura is useless in part 1 because let's face it, she doesn't have any Jutsu to define her nor give her any advantage. But in part 2 she's not useless anymore. Ofc there's some people who still said that because they hate sakura or because of sakura meme.

[griff142]

Hinata maybe a Hyuga but she was always considered one of the weakest. Neji could have easily wipe the floor with her and if Hanabi continues to grow I would say she could be better than Hinata. Hinata's timid nature and lack of a killer instinct, I can say anyone from Konoha 11 could take her on. Yes, that includes Tenten because for the fact of she trained with one of the best Hyugas in Neji.

[Yyubie]

What I don't get out of all of this is just how many excuses they make for these characters being bad people.

I was recently pushed to a video by double4anime and basically in the video he talks about how Naruto has become such a horrible person and how his problems are not because of outside influence, but his own personal issues with his family and most of the comments are just random dribble of people just making excuse after excuse THey keep saying that change was inevitable and that he was never going to say the young naive kid that he was and how Naruto is so much smarter now. It is ridiculous.

Like, sure Naruto can change, but that doesn't mean he would change in a good way.

I can somehow understand a little bit why Naruto changed.

First of all he use Tajuu Kage Bunshin , to summon like a hundred of his clone to help the villager "EVERYDAY". As we already know when Naruto use that technique to learn RasenShuriken , how exhausted he is to the point he always pass out , just imagine he do that every single day without rest , how many citizen in Konoha need his help? maybe it's like running 24 hours nonstop for normal human everyday , can't imagine how exhausting that must be.

 

On top of that i think somewhere in the way , he realize he can't bring himself to love Hinata. Have you go through this ? there's a girl that really love you but you love someone else , but you feel bad for her and you decide to accept her love and trying to learn to love her along the way , but in the end you realize you can't. Adding into that , his own son resent/hate him , and then this one is my speculation/opinion , Naruto so far the way i see it kind of ..... avoiding Sakura (i might be wrong) it's weird he didn't help her with her financial problem , if this true it is understandable. It's just like .... imagine the girl you love married/taken by someone else and that man is your rival and best friend , of course you try to avoid her , it's painful to see her knowing that you are so close to her and yet so far. All this stress building up inside him , he can only rely on beer and ramen to relief that momentarily ... sad ....

[DrK]

You have to make yourself happy before trying to make others happy.

[Derock]

You have to make yourself happy before trying to make others happy.

 

Better said. Obviously this is one of the major  themes I'm trying to incorporate in my epic fic (which I'm still haven't started yet).

[VanitasDS76491]

Man. I'm watching that video and boy does it make Naruto look bad.  Naruto worships a system, one the video itself acknowledges as flawed. A system we've seen victims of all throughout the show. Despite all the talk no jutsu, despite him promising to change things, Naruto is still in love with that same system. A system where the Uchiha were wiped out for the good of the village, with the truth of the matter being hidden from the public. A system where branch members of a clan are subjugated and expected to die for the main branch. A system that trains child soldiers and is willing to kill a 12 year old for defecting from Konoha.
 
This video pretty much argues that all of these issues were thrown in Naruto's face... and he failed to grasp what they really meant. His worship of The Will of Fire and the title of Hokage meant championing that which has caused so much suffering in the world. And he's trying to pass this mindset onto both Boruto and Sarada.
 
Japan was right, Naruto is the worst scumbag. I can't help but feel so many other shonen protagonists would want to beat the stuffing out of him over what he has become.

well if that's case the leaf village is doomed again if sarada follows naruto.
Yes naruto is a scumkitten now or corrupt as they come.
I'd welcome that get characters like luffy, ed, eren, ichigo, Yusuke, goku maybe, and so on just gang up on him and hinata and beat the shot out of her.
How do think naruto would handle vaas from far cry 3 a real psycho and no naruto can't use Justus.

[Kagomaru]

Ugh, I don't wanna watch anything from that pro-ending troll, double4anime, but I'm surprised to hear that he momentarily broke out of the NH hivemind to criticize Boruto's Dad. Of course, I doubt he levied a single complaint at Hinatatas.

 

Also, what's this about Tajuu Kage Bunshin?  Is he using it to help the villagers 24-7 or is that speculation?.

Edited by Kagomaru, 24 April 2018 - 02:55 PM.

[rocci]

Speculation, but i Will not surprise if sp Will use taju KB as an excuse for Naruto kitten parenting.

You can't make the Hero and goddess look bad, right?

[griff142]

Speculation, but i Will not surprise if sp Will use taju KB as an excuse for Naruto kitten parenting.
You can't make the Hero and goddess look bad, right?

So far they are making them look bad even though, it is unintentional. Shows how bad the writing is when you are trying to make a good drama but instead from making enjoyable characters in the past to unlikable now. It's really sad.

Even if, they do use tajuu kage bunshin as an excuse, it still doesn't excuse Naruto's neglectful nature as a parent.

[James S Cassidy]

I can somehow understand a little bit why Naruto changed.

First of all he use Tajuu Kage Bunshin , to summon like a hundred of his clone to help the villager "EVERYDAY". As we already know when Naruto use that technique to learn RasenShuriken , how exhausted he is to the point he always pass out , just imagine he do that every single day without rest , how many citizen in Konoha need his help? maybe it's like running 24 hours nonstop for normal human everyday , can't imagine how exhausting that must be.

 

On top of that i think somewhere in the way , he realize he can't bring himself to love Hinata. Have you go through this ? there's a girl that really love you but you love someone else , but you feel bad for her and you decide to accept her love and trying to learn to love her along the way , but in the end you realize you can't. Adding into that , his own son resent/hate him , and then this one is my speculation/opinion , Naruto so far the way i see it kind of ..... avoiding Sakura (i might be wrong) it's weird he didn't help her with her financial problem , if this true it is understandable. It's just like .... imagine the girl you love married/taken by someone else and that man is your rival and best friend , of course you try to avoid her , it's painful to see her knowing that you are so close to her and yet so far. All this stress building up inside him , he can only rely on beer and ramen to relief that momentarily ... sad ....

This one is such a hard feeling for a man. Especially us nice guys that in truth want to be good people and let them be happy, but at the same time a bit selfish and hurt. Alot of people say these people are nice guys and I beg to differ. "He should be her best friend anyway and not let his selfish nature overtake what is right." Yeah, but notice in these kinds of situations they never go after the girl and her selfish ways....only the supposed "nice guy" that was hurt. They forget that nice guys are human too and just like them they don't want to live in agony. So out of sight, out of mind. We know this even more true when Naruto finally sees Sakura or even thinks of her, Naruto looks.....extremely depressed and mournful. Like he wanted to selfishly be with her, but also knew he wants the best for her. He is in massive confliction of himself. Like these "pro-enders" say "you don't easily get over your first love." Well, that's true for Naruto too. He didn't just easily get over Sakura and moved on to Hinata. He let her go and he lives with the regret of doing so. You can see it on his face everytime he sees her.

So you can not really blame him for possibly ignoring her or avoiding her. (Although, avoiding her presence is one thing, ignoring her problems is another.)

NaruSaku is probably one of the most beautiful and tragic love stories ever told. Sort of like Romeo and Juliet of the manga verse. A pair of Star-Crossed Losers, so to speak.

For me Sakura  always seems more content with Naruto than with Sasuke. Like, I am convinced she has brainwahsed herself or perhaps even Naruto brainwashed her. It frutrates to no end on why Sakura continues to be with Sasuke. Why she continues to be so fanatically in love with him despite him never being around. How? How can this logically work in anyway? Even Stockhoms syndrome is not this bad and they at least a reason for it. It is a mental disorder caused by mental trama.

Truth be told, I don't think these writers know anything how a female mind works. There is a limit and the fact that even other girls don't bring this up to her. You mean to tell me that not one girl...not even Ino...would tell Sakura "Are you sure about this so called marriage? The dude is just a horrible man." But then again, Ino is no better seeing how apparently she is only with Sai because he is a Sasuke replacement. Sai might as well be a Sasuke blow-up doll.

I don't get why these writers think this all is a good thing. Have none of these writers exeprience this? Are all the girls in japan saying "I am going to fall in love with one guy and one guy only. If I can;t have him, I will have nobody else." Are the guys in Japan all like: "Well, if I don't get the girl of my dreams....I'll just settle for the big tittied bimbo who knows nothing about me and have a headache for the next 35 years."


 

[Yyubie]

If salad ask sakura what kind of person sasuke is or how did they get together , i bet sakura can barely answer her questions or worst shes gonna make up a fake story just to reassure her. But if salad ask sakura what kind of person naruto is , sakura gonna talk about him for like 5-10 minutes long. I mean after all sakura knows naruto better than anyone and she doesn't know a thing about sasuke.

 

Salad ask sakura if sasuke used to wear glasses in the past , she said she don't know / don't remember.

Salad ask sakura about naruto , sakura said he is more than family.

And even after that salad didn't find it fishy that her mom knows the seventh hokage better than her own daddy.

[James S Cassidy]

If salad ask sakura what kind of person sasuke is or how did they get together , i bet sakura can barely answer her questions or worst shes gonna make up a fake story just to reassure her. But if salad ask sakura what kind of person naruto is , sakura gonna talk about him for like 5-10 minutes long. I mean after all sakura knows naruto better than anyone and she doesn't know a thing about sasuke.

 

Salad ask sakura if sasuke used to wear glasses in the past , she said she don't know / don't remember.

Salad ask sakura about naruto , sakura said he is more than family.

And even after that salad didn't find it fishy that her mom knows the seventh hokage better than her own daddy.

The moment you realize the dumbest and most unaware person in our reality is SMARTER than most of the considered "geniuses" of the Narutoverse. God, this just....frustrates me to no end. There is a limit of how much you can stretch the imagination before it gets too ridiculous. God, Space Dandy and FLCL makes more sense than this....and those shows are based on ridiculousness.
 

 

 

Ugh, I don't wanna watch anything from that pro-ending troll, double4anime, but I'm surprised to hear that he momentarily broke out of the NH hivemind to criticize Boruto's Dad. Of course, I doubt he levied a single complaint at Hinatatas.

 

Also, what's this about Tajuu Kage Bunshin?  Is he using it to help the villagers 24-7 or is that speculation?.

 

How bad does Boruto have to be before even the radical pro-enders stop supporting it and call it ridiculous? The last remaining remnents of the Naruto fandom that still "love" the series are slowly walking away from the series because of how bad NH have been expressed, how bad Naruto is as a character, and how ridiculous everything is becoming.

I swear if there is no Boruto mechsuit coming soon to the series that is also canon, I will be pleasently surprised.

 

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 24 April 2018 - 08:34 PM.

[Yyubie]

And i heard some people said that salad is far better character than boruto or she is the saving grace of this franchise .... i don't know what kind of herb they been smoking when they said that.

[Derock]

A couple of posts back said something that bothers me recently and I want to comment on that.

 

Whoever said that Hinata got to be with Naruto instead of Sakura was the reason because the Hyuga was hyped, I find that statement a bunch of BS. Why? If that was the case, the Hyuga should had been relevant with the Uchiha, Uzumaki, Senju, etc since the whole plot line leading to the 4th War. Also the case that Neji WOULDN'T be killed off so both his and Hinata's development (on what's left of it) will have proper closure. As I said before, Hisashi should had been killed off instead of Neji.

 

I believe people said this statement for a sort of justification of Hinata's status and "popularity". AKA some people want her relevant to the audience, both casual and hardcore, but knowing damn well that one side was louder than the other. Now one thing I agree about Sakura's reason but that was Masashi's fault on putting more than enough of plates full of Sasuke and the Uchiha's development INSTEAD of balancing it with Naruto along with Sakura and Kakashi.

[griff142]

The moment you realize the dumbest and most unaware person in our reality is SMARTER than most of the considered "geniuses" of the Narutoverse. God, this just....frustrates me to no end. There is a limit of how much you can stretch the imagination before it gets too ridiculous. God, Space Dandy and FLCL makes more sense than this....and those shows are based on ridiculousness.

The reason those shows make more sense is because they have at least a planned out story and premise unlike Boruto which really through out all the logic of Naruto out the window and they are make up stuff as though go along. Problem with it though is that it keeps contradicting everything that keeps being made up.

By the Kishi, Sasuke never wore glasses ever because not once in the manga showed him with a pair. He always had good eyesight so, nice try. We all know who had glasses so stop lying to us.