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#2081 jak123

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 03:36 PM

Neither. I've just been abusing the Digi-Farm and leaving the game on while I do other things, lol. Also, since I uploaded my Cyber Sleuth save, it gave me some items like some Brave Point C (10,000 EXP for a Digimon) and Brave Point A (40,000 EXP for a Digimon) and whatnot.

 

Sora didn't even start having any sort of "crush" on Matt until like...halfway through Digimon Adventure 02. Up until then, there was even LESS time of them together than NH.

They're clearly trying to get people to ship Tai with Meiko instead, but just like Sora / Yamato and NH, there is NO real meaningful interaction between the two at all throughout all of tri so far. The only time Tai and Meiko ever seemed to talk was when Tai had to try to pull Meiko out of yet ANOTHER funk of self-pity and such. They even tried to have Agumon interact with her in the most recent episode and try to seemingly establish some sort of "bond" between them like it would force Tai to be with her.

The first half of tri was cool, emotional, and intriguing, but this latter half, post-reboot, feels like a mess. Not only are the plotholes created by Digimon Adventure 02 never addressed (heck, 02's cast is "missing" with no in-universe explanation), but they only created MORE questions and holes that have yet to be answered while also ruining other things, like destroying the power and mysticism behind the Digimon Sovereigns by turning them into just partners of a previous group of Chosen Children (that were NEVER mentioned by Qinglongmon / Azulongmon in 02 despite BEING one of those partners), which leads one to wonder just why that group of children just seemed to leave them and do whatever and also just how they could have lost to the Dark Masters if they're supposedly SO much stronger than Tai and co. (given how effortlessly Qinglongmon stopped BlackWarGreymon despite his full power being sealed by the Dark Spires) who were able to beat the Dark Masters one-on-one and pretty easily all things considered (only Piedmon REALLY gave them a challenge in the end), which ends up destroying the image of the Dark Masters as such a huge threat.

Well, I was waiting for Tri to finish before seeing it, but it sounds like they are going the exact same way they did with s2. Yamato and Sora are an awful pairing.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 05:35 PM

It's funny, Taichi/Sora/Yamato reminds me a lot of Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke.

 

It always felt like Sora only had a shallow crush on Yamato. Yamato never seemed interested in her at all. Taichi and Sora got all this development that went no where.

 

One reason I hated s2 and the ending so much. Also the fact that Hikari and Takeru didn't get together when they were hands down the best "couple" in the series. I was hoping Tri would retcon stuff, but I heard that's not the case.

 

 

Neither. I've just been abusing the Digi-Farm and leaving the game on while I do other things, lol. Also, since I uploaded my Cyber Sleuth save, it gave me some items like some Brave Point C (10,000 EXP for a Digimon) and Brave Point A (40,000 EXP for a Digimon) and whatnot.

 

Sora didn't even start having any sort of "crush" on Matt until like...halfway through Digimon Adventure 02. Up until then, there was even LESS time of them together than NH.

They're clearly trying to get people to ship Tai with Meiko instead, but just like Sora / Yamato and NH, there is NO real meaningful interaction between the two at all throughout all of tri so far. The only time Tai and Meiko ever seemed to talk was when Tai had to try to pull Meiko out of yet ANOTHER funk of self-pity and such. They even tried to have Agumon interact with her in the most recent episode and try to seemingly establish some sort of "bond" between them like it would force Tai to be with her.

The first half of tri was cool, emotional, and intriguing, but this latter half, post-reboot, feels like a mess. Not only are the plotholes created by Digimon Adventure 02 never addressed (heck, 02's cast is "missing" with no in-universe explanation), but they only created MORE questions and holes that have yet to be answered while also ruining other things, like destroying the power and mysticism behind the Digimon Sovereigns by turning them into just partners of a previous group of Chosen Children (that were NEVER mentioned by Qinglongmon / Azulongmon in 02 despite BEING one of those partners), which leads one to wonder just why that group of children just seemed to leave them and do whatever and also just how they could have lost to the Dark Masters if they're supposedly SO much stronger than Tai and co. (given how effortlessly Qinglongmon stopped BlackWarGreymon despite his full power being sealed by the Dark Spires) who were able to beat the Dark Masters one-on-one and pretty easily all things considered (only Piedmon REALLY gave them a challenge in the end), which ends up destroying the image of the Dark Masters as such a huge threat.

 

This is why I ended up growing out of Pokemon rather quickly. I noticed as early as Gen III that Pokemon had no intention of truly changing anything; anime or game-wise. It was just going to repeat 95% the same things over and over while only changing / adding overall very minimal things. This further shows the big difference in age demographic - Pokemon being aimed at children ages up to 10 years old while Digimon is usually for young adults ages 13+. Pokemon's target audience are more mentally immature, ones who won't really question much in terms of the Pokemon universe and only care more about just flashy, cool battles. This allows Pokemon to get away with repeating SO much  Digimon, though, is for an audience who is at least in the middle of greater mental development and maturity, and will most likely start finding themselves wanting MORE substance out of their stories and games and such.Thi

This is why Pokemon tends to overall be mostly about friendship and not a whole lot else anime-wise whereas Digimon tends to dive into deeper and more complex social issues beyond just friendship, like life and death, divorce, adoption, xenophobia, depression and suicide, etc. Pokemon at least implies a little more in the games (like Red / Green / Blue's Lavender Town bringing up that Pokemon do actually die / can be killed, and later titles having slightly darker elements), but it still remains overall light-hearted and doesn't dwell on such issues for very long whereas most Digimon games are pretty similar to the animes on issues. Pokemon's games (at least until more recently) and anime.don't even have much of what could be called a "plot" while a lot of characters are, at best, pretty simplistic and not very interesting or "deep". Most of the Digimon anime and games tend to have some sort of plot to them that actually changes and develops, with pretty unique characters (interesting or not can depend) who actually have noticeable development that affects them and others, and usually plays into the conclusion of the series.

Like, anime-wise, Tai and Yamato start out neutral towards each other at best and, more often, antagonistic to each other at worst, but by the end of Digimon Adventure, because of their development individually and through their interactions with each other, they're among the closest friends of their group. Ash doesn't really have anything like that with any of his main rivals in Pokemon. His main antagonistic rivals don't become his friends due to meaningful interaction and their own individual development, but magically become them after Ash or someone else beats them in an important battle(s), including Gary (first losing in the fourth preliminary battle of the Indigo League allowing Ash to pull ahead of him, then to Ash himself in the Johto League).

Not to say Pokemon is "bad" or anything - I'm just someone who quickly grew out of a demographic that could enjoy it, but as someone who has experience with both Pokemon and Digimon, such things are what I have noticed a lot over the years and it's why I have long since preferred Digimon anime and games over Pokemon and am sad that Digimon isn't give more of a chance. Unfortunately, a lot of people who have grown up with and/or are still deeply rooted to Pokemon have been "brainwashed" into thinking Pokemon is SO  original and did EVERYTHING first; accusing not only Digimon, but other series' and franchises that have virtually anything similar to Pokemon as "ripoffs" without even realizing that virtually nothing about Pokemon is original; every part of it can be traced ranging all the way back to things like Ultra Seven in the 1960s (of which Pokemon's creator even said Pokemon is heavily inspired by as he was a fan of Ultra Seven as a kid, and it utilizes the "monster allies from capsules" concept), things like Monster In My Pocket and Shin Megami Tensei in the 80s, to even Digimon itself from the 90s to today (especially since 2013 with Mega Evolution).

I largely blame it on Pokemon being heavily backed by Nintendo and getting a very aggressive marketing campaign in the year leading up to its international release. You couldn't go anywhere, read anything, watch anything, or listen to anything without something Pokemon being there, and the Nintendo Power magazine was constantly talking about it whereas Digimon was (and still is) just sort of quietly released in the US overall outside of a couple Digimon V-Pet commercials on TV. If Pokemon didn't have Nintendo's huge backing and/or Digimon got just as much, if not more aggressive marketing by a big company, Digimon would be just as, if not more popular than Pokemon internationally (the two look to be a lot more even in Japan).

In some ways, I'm glad Digimon isn't so huge like Pokemon is because Pokemon has started to show signs of being milked for its name with things like Pokken (bombed overall last I saw) or Pokemon Go (a fad that only lasted for a month or so before it just kinda died on the spot), and even Pokemon Ultra Sun and Moon seem to have had more noticeable criticism of being virtually the same exact thing as over the last 20 years. The Pokemon: I Choose You! film also seems to be trying to bank more on nostalgia for attention (especially considering the last few films bombed last I saw) and yet changing things people liked about the earlier Pokemon days like the exclusion of Misty and Brock early on in favor of two new characters (who split at the end) while also trying to force in Gem III+ Pokemon (Entei, Lucario, Suicune, Incineroar, Luxray, Raikou, Lycanroc, etc.) and such.

 

Oh what will REALLY upset you two is that the original writer for Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02, Hiroyuki Kaikudo said that Matt X Sora were planned form the beginning because he thought Tai X Sora was too CLICHÉ. What's worse, he never told anyone on the anime staff about that intention so there was more Tai X Sora moments in the english dub and in the movie too. Heck Even the Japanese fan base was pretty VOCAL about Why Matt X Sora happened  in the first place because they see more chemistry with Tai and Sora


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 06:36 PM

A fan of Digimon on Twitter:

 

 

Differences between analyzing a sequel with some similarities to the previous game but different and analyzing a game called Pokemon that is 90% identical but with 4 improvements.
 
 
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Right now in this moment there are certain reviews unleash a Digimon vs Pokemon, HM vs USM. This mean both game are using recycle, but they are still the same  game. Digi fans are little upset they know  Pokemon is popular, but they think that the reviews are being unfair with HM and certain reviews  because Pokemon  is more popular.

 

What do you think?

I think Pokemon is popular than Digimon cause it was shown to the world before Digimon came.

 

Still, Digimon is more interesting than Pokemon cause much closer to reality with its Digimons and its setting than Pokemon.



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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:15 PM

 

 

 

Oh what will REALLY upset you two is that the original writer for Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02, Hiroyuki Kaikudo said that Matt X Sora were planned form the beginning because he thought Tai X Sora was too CLICHÉ. What's worse, he never told anyone on the anime staff about that intention so there was more Tai X Sora moments in the english dub and in the movie too. Heck Even the Japanese fan base was pretty VOCAL about Why Matt X Sora happened  in the first place because they see more chemistry with Tai and Sora

Just more and more like Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke then. If you plan a pairing from the beginning, BUILD THEM UP PROPERLY.

 

Even with the added moments in the english version, Taichi and Sora still had more moments and chemistry than Yamato and Sora ever did..

 

Also, people who are close isn't anywhere near as cliche as the girl going for the "loner bad boy" character. Plus I hate the word "cliche" because things that are considered as such can be done well enough so they don't seem cliche. 


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 09:56 PM

 

 

 

Oh what will REALLY upset you two is that the original writer for Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02, Hiroyuki Kaikudo said that Matt X Sora were planned form the beginning because he thought Tai X Sora was too CLICHÉ. What's worse, he never told anyone on the anime staff about that intention so there was more Tai X Sora moments in the english dub and in the movie too. Heck Even the Japanese fan base was pretty VOCAL about Why Matt X Sora happened  in the first place because they see more chemistry with Tai and Sora

 

......................................................................yeah, like going for the "loner" isn't MORE cliche? And yeah, I do remember that the Japanese VAs were completely confused by the pairings too.
 

I think Pokemon is popular than Digimon cause it was shown to the world before Digimon came.

 

Still, Digimon is more interesting than Pokemon cause much closer to reality with its Digimons and its setting than Pokemon.

Yeah, Pokemon takes place in a much more super-idealized universe overall whereas Digimon's real world is meant to be "our" real world. I remember watching videos by people on, "What if Pokemon were real?" and it is NOWHERE near as pretty, peaceful, etc. It is far more like what happens when you have giant Digimon strolling through the city like their anime have shown.


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:03 AM

Actually let me correct my earlier statement. Hiroyuki Kaikudo was the director. But my point still stands. It was a STUPID and "I just wanna be a hipster" type decision :zaru:
 

I think Pokemon is popular than Digimon cause it was shown to the world before Digimon came.
 
Still, Digimon is more interesting than Pokemon cause much closer to reality with its Digimons and its setting than Pokemon.

 
I just love both, I don't find one more completely interesting than the other really. Plus again I think you are talking about both anime in comparison to each other generally speaking. the games have been taking a more dark and realistic turn in recent times too. whereas Digimon has its unrealistic fluff at times itself. lol But for me there are things I like  more with Digimon than Pokemon and vice versa, but I don't think one is more interesting than the other :smile:


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:14 AM

Guys looks new Digimon added  :th_yeah:

Version 1.03 of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth Hacker's Memory has already been implemented in the various versions of the game, bringing with it the long-awaited evolutionary line of Ryudamon (Ryudamon, Ginryumon, Hisyaryumon and Ouryumon) thanks to a successful Twitter campaign that It culminated earlier this month, and in which we were promised that a fifth Digimon whose identity is still a mystery, will also be ultimately added to Hacker's Memory.

 

 

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:42 AM

I haven't started my Hacker's memory yet because I started my New Game + for Cyber sleuth and got a bit hooked on it right now :excited: Mainly because I finally get the royal knights becaue I think New Game plus treats all the side quests as done I think so yeah I got my Gallantmon/Dukemon, and am working towards Omnimon/Omegamon. Oh and I'm in the process of getting my first platinumnumemon to help out with experience


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 01:51 AM

I haven't started my Hacker's memory yet because I started my New Game + for Cyber sleuth and got a bit hooked on it right now :excited: Mainly because I finally get the royal knights becaue I think New Game plus treats all the side quests as done I think so yeah I got my Gallantmon/Dukemon, and am working towards Omnimon/Omegamon. Oh and I'm in the process of getting my first platinumnumemon to help out with experience

I see that is good, but not just PlatinumNumemon would the trick you have to get the Tactician USB. I gave you a video how to get it. Hey still I am waiting for that duel.XD 


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 11:35 AM

Then i have to get through the new game plus :hehehe:  and max out my stats :P


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 06:01 PM

Now got a Coredramon (Green), Pandamon, Chrysalimon, Zudomon, Garurumon, Tokomon (who I'm trying to work into Lucemon, lol), and Raptordramon (from FanBeemon).


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 01:04 AM

Now got a Coredramon (Green), Pandamon, Chrysalimon, Zudomon, Garurumon, Tokomon (who I'm trying to work into Lucemon, lol), and Raptordramon (from FanBeemon).

By the way you know that just yesterday was added a  Digimon?


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:56 PM

Actually let me correct my earlier statement. Hiroyuki Kaikudo was the director. But my point still stands. It was a STUPID and "I just wanna be a hipster" type decision :zaru:
 

 
I just love both, I don't find one more completely interesting than the other really. Plus again I think you are talking about both anime in comparison to each other generally speaking. the games have been taking a more dark and realistic turn in recent times too. whereas Digimon has its unrealistic fluff at times itself. lol But for me there are things I like  more with Digimon than Pokemon and vice versa, but I don't think one is more interesting than the other :smile:

Yup. I'm talking about the anime. But, also about the concept and the story of both.

 

Digimon stories are more close to reality because everything is digital which is real in real life. Plus, their evolution are much more capturing than Pokemons. The setting also as in going back and forth between the real world and the digital world.  

 

I like Pokemon a lot cause the Pokemons have their own interesting concept too and the games are very fun. But, Digimon bests Pokemon in terms of concept, plot and its Digimons.

 

And I like Digimon much more than Pokemon cause I was attached to Digimon a lot when I was a child.


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 11:23 PM

Yeah I know, and that is fine. I'm just of the opinion they both have there merits and flaws so I don't think that one is actually more interesting than the other. But I WILL admit I like Digimon's overarching mythology way more :smile:

 

Anyway, Started CSHM yesterday and I -picked Tentomon since he;s one of my faves, but I will try to build a new party that is not nostalgia filter for the anime series in this one. BlackWargreymon and BlackMetalgarurumon don't count becasue I never got them in the first game :zaru:


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 02:40 AM

Yeah I know, and that is fine. I'm just of the opinion they both have there merits and flaws so I don't think that one is actually more interesting than the other. But I WILL admit I like Digimon's overarching mythology way more :smile:

 

Anyway, Started CSHM yesterday and I -picked Tentomon since he;s one of my faves, but I will try to build a new party that is not nostalgia filter for the anime series in this one. BlackWargreymon and BlackMetalgarurumon don't count becasue I never got them in the first game :zaru:

Did you get the DLC? Remember was added Ryudamon and his/her evolution line.


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 08:58 AM

I also like the fact that Digimon are essentially limitless. Even ZeedMillenniummon, arguably the current most powerful being in the franchise (even with his power still currently sealed and suppressed somehow), is not the limit to what Digimon can become.

On the other hand, Pokemon simply CAN'T get too "out of hand" or they risk destroying the general concept of Pokemon being a fair and balanced sport (and it would piss people off if such an uber-powerful Pokemon were to be severely nerfed just so it could be used without being massively OP). While there are definitely stronger Pokemon, they're not SO powerful that they're virtually impossible for ordinary Pokemon to defeat. It just requires good training and tactics, just like between ordinary Pokemon, like a lower stage against a higher stage (same species or different).

With Digimon, outside of extremely rare cases, just being one stage lower than an opposing Digimon makes it pretty much impossible for the lower stage Digimon to win simply because of how much more power Digimon gain from Digivolving (literally ten or more times stronger with each ascending stage) compared to Pokemon when they evolve (around 1/3 their current strength, and usually only in certain areas), and even within the same stage, there can be Digimon who are ridiculously stronger than others. I mean, Alphamon, in the first episode of Digimon Adventure tri for example, was able to effortlessly tank everything thrown at him from Greymon, Garurumon, MetalGreymon, WereGarurumon, and even WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon despite the three all being Ultimate / Mega level, with the best they could do being pushing him down a knee with WarGreymon's Gaia Force. Even then, Alphamon didn't start fighting seriously until they brought out Omegamon.


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:29 PM

I also like the fact that Digimon are essentially limitless. Even ZeedMillenniummon, arguably the current most powerful being in the franchise (even with his power still currently sealed and suppressed somehow), is not the limit to what Digimon can become.

On the other hand, Pokemon simply CAN'T get too "out of hand" or they risk destroying the general concept of Pokemon being a fair and balanced sport (and it would piss people off if such an uber-powerful Pokemon were to be severely nerfed just so it could be used without being massively OP). While there are definitely stronger Pokemon, they're not SO powerful that they're virtually impossible for ordinary Pokemon to defeat. It just requires good training and tactics, just like between ordinary Pokemon, like a lower stage against a higher stage (same species or different).

With Digimon, outside of extremely rare cases, just being one stage lower than an opposing Digimon makes it pretty much impossible for the lower stage Digimon to win simply because of how much more power Digimon gain from Digivolving (literally ten or more times stronger with each ascending stage) compared to Pokemon when they evolve (around 1/3 their current strength, and usually only in certain areas), and even within the same stage, there can be Digimon who are ridiculously stronger than others. I mean, Alphamon, in the first episode of Digimon Adventure tri for example, was able to effortlessly tank everything thrown at him from Greymon, Garurumon, MetalGreymon, WereGarurumon, and even WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon despite the three all being Ultimate / Mega level, with the best they could do being pushing him down a knee with WarGreymon's Gaia Force. Even then, Alphamon didn't start fighting seriously until they brought out Omegamon.

In a way I am little surprise that ZeedMilleniummon still is not the being more powerful in Digi-World. Digisoulnet is page I trust a lot and they did a top and I  was surprise who is number one. Zeedmilleniummon and NEO share the second place. who is the first?

 

 

 

By Digisoulnet

 

Mother Eater.

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The Eaters are extra-dimensional entities that come from a high dimension, specifically an ultra dimension (or hyper dimension, according to the literal translation of the Japanese ... something that I will explain in another special). Both they and the reality from which they come are something that exists at a level that surpasses the capacity for human understanding, even the human imagination. When the Eaters manifest themselves in the Real World, they impact the Digital Waves (and induce them, too). Real matter, and even thought patterns, are digitized, until there comes a point where reality ceases to be logical. This space exists within a swirl of a special Digital Wave. Although it is the Real World, it has been converted to digital information that has been combined with human thoughts, giving rise to a strange cyberspace.

 

The Eaters analyze and absorb everything they have consumed as data. They have the power to overwrite said data as well. The memory integration network of the Eaters is beyond our ability to understand. They are always sharing information, always making decisions, but remember every moment. There is no concept of "capacity limit" or a concept of time. They simply remember.

 

The Eaters have a "main unit". In Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth, this main unit managed to invade and possess Yggdrasill. Thanks to this, the Mother Eater possessed the ability to influence every world in the multiverse. Adding to that its own ultra-dimensional ability, the Mother Eater is able to rewrite the reality of the multiverse at the conceptual level (that is, it is capable of changing the meaning of things like the same concepts that govern the laws of the multiverse - things like matter , time, space, the same reality, can be rewritten at will by Mother Eater).

It is basically, for basic purposes, an omnipotent being in the strict sense of the word.
 
The Mother Eater was only defeated when their "sole purpose" (Akemi Suedo) decided that their defeat was something that had to happen, based on the decisions of the Cyber Sleuth protagonist, Aiba Takumi.

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 05:58 PM

Mother Eater is created by Cyber Sleuth game, right ? But, going with the canon stories, the strongest Digimon is ZeedMillenniummon ? I don't know if ZeedMillenniuommon is canon though.


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 06:46 PM

Did you get the DLC? Remember was added Ryudamon and his/her evolution line.

 

Mm can you purchase it on the online shop?


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 07:09 PM

Mother Eater is created by Cyber Sleuth game, right ? But, going with the canon stories, the strongest Digimon is ZeedMillenniummon ? I don't know if ZeedMillenniuommon is canon though.

Both of them are canon. Zeed was in the manga Digimon Xros Wars (I have to read the manga)and even before since 02  remember Ryo Akiyama? 

 

Mother Eater though is not mention. There is a one-shot Manga of Digimon Cyber Sleuth.

 

 

In Digimon almost all is canon because multi Universe zone. 

 


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