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[kirabook]

I hope the cover page isn't Naruto and Hinata, we already know what those 2 look like in color. We don't know what the Juuibi looks like though. I mean, in general, that's probably not all that important in the grand sceme of things, but either way, is feel that the Juubi is more important than Naruto and WAY more important than Hinata.

I can imagine a 3 panel cover, the biggest panel takes up 2/3's or the page and that is of Juubi, then you have 2 smaller panels at the bottom, one of Naruto and Hinata facing the Juubi and the other either a big shot of the remaining alliance, a shot of Bee, or a dead Neji. (Highly doubting it'll be Neji or his team :/)

[Broken Figurine]

I'm not too pleased, but even with all this and if it does become the final pairing, I still consider NaruSaku the superior and better developed pairing. NaruHina, with all due respect to those that like it, is a weak romantic pairing. Hinata's "development" is still well, not very developed, and the confidence boost does not make up for all of those chapters where she wasn't by his side; where she didn't develop complex feelings and relationships, where she had little involvement with the main plot of the story. In my eyes she doesn't really live up to this glorification that she's getting now. What she is doing is what everyone else is willing to do. I am very dissappointed that Neji's death was a vehicle for her to reach Naruto and take his hand. It's disturbing that, while I get she was emotionally affected, Naruto seemed more affected by the death of Hinata's cousin than she did. True, it meant that she was able to overcome the emotional hurt and reach out to him, but this is hampered by the fact that once again, Hinata is bringing back the situation to make it about Naruto. There is a war happening where the fate of the world is on the line? Her goal is to take his hand and be by his side. Her cousin died? She uses his death as explaining comradery and how she (and Neji) are going to protect him.

Contrast how Ino's and Shikamaru's fathers' deaths were handled. It was the same thing. They had to pick themselves up and continue on, and the sacrifice of their fathers' lives highlighted what this chapter was already about, and Naruto has already had this speech from Itachi. Naruto knew his friends were in danger of dying, and he's dealt with the insecurities of not being enough to protect the people he cared about most, and Sakura had been the one to snap him out of it before. Yet, he takes Hinata's hand, gives her credit because she was the one who was in the moment, but how does he not get yet that EVERYONE ELSE FIGHTING AND DYING is doing the same? This is not exclusive to Hinata. She is not special because she is the one willing to do this for him above everyone else. All she is doing is stepping up to the bar already set before by other characters. This is why I liked Sakura's internal monologue so much better. She recognizes everyone who is fighting this war. She recognizes his burdens because SHE, not Hinata, was the female who stood by him the most.

Hinata hadn't caused Naruto grief ever, but she wasn't around. She wasn't involved with the complexities of the main plot. Her role was to love Naruto unrelentingly. Sakura on the other hand isn't an automatic love interest. I worry that she is being regressed to loving Sasuke unrelentingly, despite having stood up against him, despite not having been supported or loved by him--despite the lack of development for the two of them to have such deep feelings. They are undeveloped pairings; they are just too easy as well. Hinata loves Naruto all along; Sakura loves Sasuke all along no matter what. The men, in turn, realizing their respective female's devotion, will, despite a lack of proper interaction or reason, in turn realize their feelings for them back. This is exactly the unfortunate romantic cliche that this chapter is made of. A dramatic scene in which Hinata can show off (despite lack of it before) the depth of her feeling and Naruto, inspired, takes it to heart.

The NaruSaku pairing is not without fault, and I actually appreciate that. Whether romantic, canon, or otherwise, when this manga is done and all that we can know is known, I will still read back and be far more intrigued with their relationship than that of Hinata's and Naruto's. You could say that Naruto and Sakura also follow the hope of an unrelenting love (Naruto's) being realized by Sakura and her return, but all throughout the manga this formula has been confounded. Naruto has taken issue with Sakura's involvement and feelings instead of just blindly loving her. He felt the hurt of potentially not being "the one", he went from wanting her acknowledgement to wanting her to be happy (something Hinata has not done, mind you), and he rejected her confession about having 'moved on' from Sasuke as a lie, and had affirmed that bringing back Sasuke isn't just about the promise he made to her. He cares about her, but his motivations and character doesn't revolve around her. Sakura likewise has grown to realize Naruto not for his love for her, but even before that for his resolve and who he is. She wanted to protect Naruto AND Sasuke--and she was willing to kill the person she supposedly still loves so that Naruto could be spared from doing it himself--something that by Kakashi was called suicidal. Something that was already set up when she cried and ran toward Naruto, telling him that "I'll save Sasuke for you! and to be hurt by him. For Naruto to realize that in his drive to get to Sasuke he had hurt Sakura (the scene where in his eyes the two of them were shown), highlighting further the complexity and issues of this team and relationship.

So, I am not impressed by Hinata and this "development" in this chapter. It's just lacking. Once again she brings it back to being all about her place by Naruto. The fact that what she's doing isn't really distinguished from other characters--that the whole point of this arc was being the same thing, and that Naruto has already heard this topic and is being reminded of the message in Hinata's speech is underwhelming. Hinata is one of many who have stepped in before to help him--Sai, Kakashi, his parents, Jiraiya, and everyone who has had that internal monologue and thought about him fighting this war, is doing the same thing. Ino and Shikamaru had their fathers die, and knowing they were in a war and what they stood to lose, did not have to be "snapped out" by anyone. Itachi had warned of the folly of Naruto thinking he could take everything on his own and protect everyone. Sakura may not be standing beside Naruto and holding his hand, but she's there just like everyone else prepared to deal with this reality and lay her life down for the cause. It's a bit insulting, I think, that Naruto didn't REALIZE that on his own. What does he think this is? What does he think he is up against? No wonder Itachi had to lecture him.

I feel like I can't even gather all of my thoughts. I cannot take this chapter by itself and praise Hinata for what she managed to do. I cannot forget the other complex relationships Naruto has and fit her in with them. It's just so... convenient. It's set up too simply and too cliche. It's bad romance. Holding her hand, firing up with chakra, telling her to "let's go" makes me think "power of love" in the most basic shojo-esque of ways. It lacks depth and reason. She didn't build up to this moment and Naruto is still the center of all her thoughts and motivation. I really just don't like it. If they end up together I can concede that it's canon, but I can't concede that it's a good pairing.

Edited by Broken Figurine, 02 January 2013 - 09:13 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

In case you are curious, a Pariah is someone who is despised or rejected

[mone_]

Yet, he takes Hinata's hand, gives her credit because she was the one who was in the moment, but how does he not get yet that EVERYONE ELSE FIGHTING AND DYING is doing the same? This is not exclusive to Hinata. She is not special because she is the one willing to do this for him above everyone else. All she is doing is stepping up to the bar already set before by other characters. This is why I liked Sakura's internal monologue so much better. She recognizes everyone who is fighting this war. She recognizes his burdens because SHE, not Hinata, was the female who stood by him the most.

That also bugged me. Why the hell Naruto thanked her for being by his side when there were people who stood by his side a million times longer and supported him a million times stronger. I lean more and more to the opinion that this chapter was indeed just bad writing and not good trolling.

Edited by mone_, 02 January 2013 - 09:51 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This Thread....
But seriously Naruto and Hinata on the next chapter was something we knew, what i want to know is what will happen on the next chapter.

[Shourai]

At least there will always be fanfiction.
That said, Naruto (character) is beginning to get on my nerves. I can't help it; he just is.
//lurk

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Oh rly, naruto and hinata on a colored page which we didnt even see and all of sudden "NH is canon" again.
despite we all knowing that it would happen anyway,
Well i'll be off this thread.
Waiting for 616.

[六道仙人]

So about color pages, yes there will be one in the next chapter, but no, it's not about NH. We don't know that yet and we don't know if the color spread is even about them. That's definitely shoving in our throat. I don't know but I'm not worried. It will be way of place to put NH as a focal point of this war. Somehow, I feel like we are overthinking. Then again, we got nothing but wait. So I guess proceed.

but most probably it'll about them, at least a panel regarding them. Because the last chapter finished with those two.

[Chucky-kun]

That moment when I envision the colour pages as being obito reminiscing of obirin Naruhina parallels.
Fark this pessimism is rubbing off on me. STAHP IT.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That moment when I envision the colour pages as being obito reminiscing of obirin Naruhina parallels.
Fark this pessimism is rubbing off on me. STAHP IT.

I hope not.

[六道仙人]

I'm concerned about the cover too... Hope it won't have some NH hints.

God, why kishi have you decided to make colours page after a chapter like this?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm concerned about the cover too... Hope it won't have some NH hints.

God, why kishi have you decided to make colours page after a chapter like this?

This is nto his decision you know first chapter of the year.

[Chucky-kun]

I'm concerned about the cover too... Hope it won't have some NH hints.

God, why kishi have you decided to make colours page after a chapter like this?

What's the big deal about colored pages?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What's the big deal about colored pages?

I dont know they say nothing, Naruto still didnt show any romantic feelings towards hinata, and i want to see the next chapter.

[六道仙人]

What's the big deal about colored pages?

I don't have idea, I know only that colour pages like this after a this kind of chapter make me more rage.

[sushi.]

Colourpages take a while to make, two days probably. If I were Kishi, I wouldn't waste that much time on something that doesn't mean anything.

To what we've heard so far, Naruto and Hinata are probably in the front. Minor characters are in the background. I've only seen a few colourpages of Naruto, does anyone where I can find the others? I just don't want to look at every 615 chapters, and I want to know Kishi's cover style.

[Chucky-kun]

Colourpages take a while to make, two days probably. If I were Kishi, I wouldn't waste that much time on something that doesn't mean anything.

To what we've heard so far, Naruto and Hinata are probably in the front. Minor characters are in the background. I've only seen a few colourpages of Naruto, does anyone where I can find the others? I just don't want to look at every 615 chapters, and I want to know Kishi's cover style.

I know he did some for the edo tensei bijuu fight and also when naruto was sage training.

[六道仙人]

the're usually some colour page each volume

[AzureWaters]

What's the big deal about colored pages?

It means that something pretty big had happened the previous chapter, and that Kishi feels the need for it to be highlighted with a color page. Naruto/Hinata holding hands would be this "big deal." Then well, we would all know that that wasn't just to show chakra transfer, lol.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It means that something pretty big had happened the previous chapter, and that Kishi feels the need for it to be highlighted with a color page. Naruto/Hinata holding hands would be this "big deal." Then well, we would all know that that wasn't just to show chakra transfer, lol.

the colour pages is something regarded to jump, so yeah the page will be about it, i disagree with you on this part "feels the need for it to feel highlighted" you know that it's something regarded to jump, so i ask you there was a colour page about all the jinchuurikis so i ask you it needed to be highlighted?, there was a colour page about so many things that was a not highlight moment.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 January 2013 - 01:13 PM.