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#20861 BakeNeko-Chan

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 02:46 PM

thank you finally someone who sees things my way. I also don't believe she ever loved Sasuke, love doesn't act that way she acted more infatuated if anything IMO. There was always big differences between Naruto's love for Sakura-Chan and Sakura-Chan's "love" for Sasuke. I even remember reading in a chapter that Kishimoto stated Sakura-Chan's love for Sasuke is selfish.

 

 

I agree. I do not think she ever loved Sasuke. When girls are young many of them all say that they are "in love" with the cool, popular guy. But really its just an infatuation and then they eventually grow out of it. 

 

I believe that Sakura has already grew out of it and she knows that she does not "love" Sasuke anymore. I know that she does love Naruto, but I am not sure if she is aware of it or not.

 

Okay so, I very much disagree with the idea that Sakura never loved Sasuke. It's an insult to Sakura's growth and development as a character, not to mention what it implies about NaruSaku if Sakura's been hung up on a mere infatuation all this time. No, just no.

 

Sakura did love Sasuke. And yes, the basis for those feeling were selfish and unhealthy, but that doesn't mean they were less 'real'. Hinata's feelings for Naruto are also based in selfish gain born out of admiration, but she's still 'in love' with him and it would be ridiculous to deny it; and it's the same with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. I cannot buy into the idea that what Sakura felt for Sasuke -- those feelings that she's held onto for so long and that caused her so much conflict in herself and her relationship with Naruto -- were a simple crush gotten out of hand. That doesn't bode particularly well for NaruSaku if that's the case.

 

Even while she's grown closer to Naruto, developed strong and devoted feelings for him, she's still held back by what she felt for Sasuke and it's a conflict she's still dealing with. I can't believe that it was all just childish infatuation, not after so long. If Sakura feelings regarding Sasuke were resolved much earlier, I may have agreed it was just a misguided crush, but it's been years. Crushes; infatuations, don't linger on for years.

 

It's my opinion that Sakura will choose Naruto because she loves him more than she did Sasuke, not because she never loved Sasuke at all.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 02:58 PM

 
 
 
Okay so, I very much disagree with the idea that Sakura never loved Sasuke. It's an insult to Sakura's growth and development as a character, not to mention what it implies about NaruSaku if Sakura's been hung up on a mere infatuation all this time. No, just no.
 
Sakura did love Sasuke. And yes, the basis for those feeling were selfish and unhealthy, but that doesn't mean they were less 'real'. Hinata's feelings for Naruto are also based in selfish gain born out of admiration, but she's still 'in love' with him and it would be ridiculous to deny it; and it's the same with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. I cannot buy into the idea that what Sakura felt for Sasuke -- those feelings that she's held onto for so long and that caused her so much conflict in herself and her relationship with Naruto -- were a simple crush gotten out of hand. That doesn't bode particularly well for NaruSaku if that's the case.
 
Even while she's grown closer to Naruto, developed strong and devoted feelings for him, she's still held back by what she felt for Sasuke and it's a conflict she's still dealing with. I can't believe that it was all just childish infatuation, not after so long. If Sakura feelings regarding Sasuke were resolved much earlier, I may have agreed it was just a misguided crush, but it's been years. Crushes; infatuations, don't linger on for years.
 
It's my opinion that Sakura will choose Naruto because she loves him more than she did Sasuke, not because she never loved Sasuke at all.

Not only this but there's another twist to it. We have enough moments to state that she was over with Sasuke long long ago after the timeskip but on the contrary, we also have enough evidences to suggest that she is still not over with Sasuke. It has become a mess, really. One thing comes up the other things go down.

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 03:25 PM

Within this pairing war, I still find it ironic and just sad how so many NH and SS fans just jump to the conclusion that Naruto has moved on from Sakura and that Sakura will always love Sasuke, no questions asked.

 

Yet we get a hint that there would be an end pairing (kushinas foreshadow in 504) and this is later built on in 631 and many fans went insane.

 

We get scenes where we discover why Naruto loves Sakura and doesn't confess yet and how the unrequited love on him was in a way, a pain because of the promise. Yet nothing mangawise on why Hinata loves Naruto or why Sakura loves Sasuke. All we know about Hinata is that, well she simply loves him given her dream, that it all.

 

For Sakura to sasuke though, we get scenes again and again nowadays where the audience is inclined to ask how does she feel about him? I mean the land of iron was one thing, but then 540, 635, 675, 676, and 678 we get these events where she is saddened, doesnt trust him, or sasuke just puts her down, seriously this is worse nowadays than how people tried to make endless BS of Sasuke not intentionally trying to kill her. Well he is by all means "uninfluenced" as they wanted to say in the land of iron, and by his own will, he is still a jerk and enough of a reason that Sakura isn't trusting him for some reason.

 

But I can honestly say I am not surprised, with NH fans spending more time focused on arguing against other pairings, mainly ours, when we have manga events like HInata being left out of 2 important events when she could have been included by any reasons, its going to make them ticked off. I mean Hinata could have been put in the recovery situation but Kishi left her out and let Sakura go. SS fans are getting antsy it seems because well, hard to take a fact that SS is been destabilized, with Sakura herself frowning upon it, its one pillar of support is about to come breaking down if Sasuke keeps this jerk mode up.

 

Really I am not going to be surprised if kishi both throws more in for NS and continues to make sakura have negative reception from sasuke, herself and him directly to her. I mean NH continues to suffer because HInata goes missing, and NS events just come to drive a further wedge in, if 631 wasn't the start of that divide along with naruto confirming he still loves her in the same chapter, then other events like sakura focusing mainly on naruto during the war was one thing, while 662 and 663 were just the furthest so far. Seriously if Hinata was more important than why didnt she get thrown into the hero recovery situation? Why not? All we saw her do was eat dirt. There was perfect reason and opportunity for her to go. Then about 15 chapters later, she reappears to be taken into the shinju and people believed in both these cases she would meet kagyua or naruto had a spiritual/mental connection with her. No she didnt and she doesn't. Its not helping NH fans case either when literally a dream is shown just explaining the same damned thing we have known what she wanted for 10+ years, but hey to them this speaks its a foreshadow for canon and 631 is a joke, not a simple potential hint to say this may happen but most NH fans turned on Kushina's foreshadow when 631 came out simply because it applied to sakura, not hinata. But hey, if in this current fight kishi gives more NS events like sakura going outright to support naruto in someway for this fight, not with sasuke, than I seriously wonder how long it is till we hit the point of no return, the point where there is just too much NS evidence and kishi has otherwise showcased enough of Sakuras changing view on sasuke (due to the mistrust and heartbreak) how much longer till we hit that point of Sasuke will want to be hokage and it intends to bring naruto into harm, sakura at this point outright supporting naruto in his dream, how will she react when sasuke intends to harm naruto depsite her "loving" him and only "caring" for naruto? Really its got enough of a path for any fan to make out and sense that, Sakura is moving on from Sasuke, moving on from loving him but will be friends in the end and that perhaps, with everything that has happened, Sakura could have more than just friendship with naruto. But NH and SS fans just continue to laugh at this notion, then these same events happen, they freak out and claim kishi is a bad writer despite many hints being in place. So when the time comes when they want to know why the heck this stuff occured as it did, all I can say is, no I will not explain this stuff to them, they always insulted or dismissed us, we explained our views (which generally turned out to be right) and both kishi and us gave them plenty of warning, plenty of opinion, speculation, and evidence to piece together and yet we were harassed for it. Should NS go canon, all I can say is to leave NH and SS fans who questioned this to leave them alone and let them suffer in their arrogance should a great disappointment come.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 03:43 PM

Anyone notice that out of the big 3 pairings two of them have been addressed continuously, even ShikaTema for that matter but not NS(and SK). Does it mean that something big is up for NS?

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 03:45 PM

Anyone notice that out of the big 3 pairings two of them have been addressed continuously, even ShikaTema for that matter but not NS(and SK). Does it mean that something big is up for NS?


Duh.

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 03:48 PM

Duh.

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:13 PM

Anyone notice that out of the big 3 pairings two of them have been addressed continuously, even ShikaTema for that matter but not NS(and SK). Does it mean that something big is up for NS?

 

I'd say the stuff for that chapter was just well, a bit of a comic relief deal when we saw those dreams. Not really basing it on like NS and SK will happen because they were not shown, but aside from that, NS has the development it needs. SK could be the one as an open ended pairing though.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:20 PM

Man I wanna get into One Piece, but it's so LONG. :argh:

 

I've seen episodes now and then, but it's been a while. Would watching it or reading it be better?

 

I like Hinata enough, but she really doesn't do much. So I really don't see what her fans are always going on about, personally I would rather see Ino or Temari with her screen time.

The anime is good. My problem with it is the sudden urge of adding unnecessary scenes to it just to extend it so it won't catch up to the manga. Fight scenes are being dragged out which can be very misleading and annoying. Sometimes I find the animation to be dull, but when epic movements are about to happen the animation becomes a bit better. I always prefer reading the manga over the anime any day of the week. But I also like to see the characters come to life in animation and beautiful soundtracks.

 

So here's what I would recommend you do. Start with the anime and after you finish the Sabaody Archipelago arc then it's time to pack your stuff and move on to the manga. lol


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:27 PM

Hmm.... sometimes, sakura needs to focus on her development more beside worrying the boys...
Kishi....just once, I want to see her acting cool again, and dont let your character to be a waste by making her doing something unappropriate at this moment. Give sakura the chance to shine LIKE A DIAMOND! !!

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:45 PM

Definitely. Kishi needs to stop making the girls a bunch of objects for pairings. Especially Sakura, because at least he's finally starting to stray her AWAY from all the romance s**t... So I'm definitely rooting for Sakura moments too


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:46 PM

Patience. No one can touch Kaguya right now. Everyone is out of position, so they need to get in formation.

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:47 PM

Apollo@ and let me guess any NS fillers are not important and they're not consider to be canon? I guess that episode where he told that girl that he loves Sakura and the reason why he loves her isn't consider canon (even if this episode was clearly Pierot telling the audience their opinion on the current status of pairings).


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:54 PM

 

 

 

Okay so, I very much disagree with the idea that Sakura never loved Sasuke. It's an insult to Sakura's growth and development as a character, not to mention what it implies about NaruSaku if Sakura's been hung up on a mere infatuation all this time. No, just no.

 

Sakura did love Sasuke. And yes, the basis for those feeling were selfish and unhealthy, but that doesn't mean they were less 'real'. Hinata's feelings for Naruto are also based in selfish gain born out of admiration, but she's still 'in love' with him and it would be ridiculous to deny it; and it's the same with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. I cannot buy into the idea that what Sakura felt for Sasuke -- those feelings that she's held onto for so long and that caused her so much conflict in herself and her relationship with Naruto -- were a simple crush gotten out of hand. That doesn't bode particularly well for NaruSaku if that's the case.

 

Even while she's grown closer to Naruto, developed strong and devoted feelings for him, she's still held back by what she felt for Sasuke and it's a conflict she's still dealing with. I can't believe that it was all just childish infatuation, not after so long. If Sakura feelings regarding Sasuke were resolved much earlier, I may have agreed it was just a misguided crush, but it's been years. Crushes; infatuations, don't linger on for years.

 

It's my opinion that Sakura will choose Naruto because she loves him more than she did Sasuke, not because she never loved Sasuke at all.

Thank you!

 

There really isn't any need to downgrade Sakura's feelings for Sasuke just to boost NS. As selfish and painful and incredibly one-sided as it is, Sakura genuinely was in love with Sasuke. For anyone to completely act as though she never was in love with him or just downgrade it to a mere crush is so insulting to her character.

 

All the trials and tribulations that she went through has lead to this beautiful metamorphosis that shaped her into the queen we all love and adore today. She grew from that pain and turned it into strength. I'm glad she fell in love with Sasuke, because he's part of the reason why the queen is the queen. I love everything about my fav character.

 

Edit: I loathe SS and Sasuke from the bottom of my heart. Don't think otherwise.


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:55 PM

No with out his clone he is still an absolute perv,
Perv guys piss me of so much, they have no respect for females, they are so sick, sick in the head
This why guys like sasuke (taking all the killing part out/of course his craziness too) always get female attention, 
Man who respect for female dont degrade female, dont force female, are the one all female love
Basically a guy should butt out of females matter simple%20smile.gif
But back to the point noodle is kitten ashole who is perv is potential are way below sasuke simple%20smile.gif

I can't deal with people like this anymore 


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 04:57 PM

@Bake-Neko-Chan & Luffyq1:

 

As much as I hate SS, I definitely do agree with you guys. Sakura did love Sasuke, no matter how selfish or immaturely displayed it was. It caused Sakura far too much pain and it's still a conflict with why NaruSaku hasn't happened yet. I would love to say she never loved Sasuke because he barely did anything for her and he certainly isn't worth it, but that's just my wishful thinking. I wouldn't deny canon fact and even if I'm wrong, then she at least truly believed she loves/loved him. That's almost as important as whether she really did love him.

 

I think the better way to label Sakura's feelings for Sasuke is that it was based it on an image of who she wanted Sasuke to be. She loved that image so fiercely and held on to it that you might as well say she loved him. She didn't understand Sasuke, she didn't really accept Sasuke for who he was (she refused to acknowledge his darkness, not even with the Curse mark), and was constantly miserable but she still felt for him. It was an immature, selfish, idealistic love, but it was still love. Just not true love. That's because of all the flaws in her feelings for Sasuke above.

 

It's very, very stupid she felt for Sasuke that much. Trust me, I hate it, now even more so. But it felt real to her and she's still trying to figure out what love really is because of her relationship with Naruto, Sasuke's constant estrangement, and Sakura's emerging maturity; that's what's important. It's hard for her to completely overcome her love for Sasuke and that stubborn image she had of him because she believed in it so fiercely and it meant so much to her. This is why I don't like it when fans bash Sakura for her feelings for Sasuke. It may seem illogical, but when you put yourself in her shoes, you can understand it.

 

Sakura fell both for Naruto and Sasuke. There's no denying that in my book. Sasuke may be her first love, but Naruto will be her true love. And honestly? That's all that matters. Downgrading SS won't change that Naruto's still the one either way.  


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 05:02 PM

Man I wanna get into One Piece, but it's so LONG. :argh:
 
I've seen episodes now and then, but it's been a while. Would watching it or reading it be better?
 
I like Hinata enough, but she really doesn't do much. So I really don't see what her fans are always going on about, personally I would rather see Ino or Temari with her screen time.


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 05:04 PM

 

No with out his clone he is still an absolute perv,
Perv guys piss me of so much, they have no respect for females, they are so sick, sick in the head
This why guys like sasuke (taking all the killing part out/of course his craziness too) always get female attention, 
Man who respect for female dont degrade female, dont force female, are the one all female love
Basically a guy should butt out of females matter simple%20smile.gif
But back to the point noodle is kitten ashole who is perv is potential are way below sasuke simple%20smile.gif
 

I can't deal with people like this anymore 

 

lol! obvious trolling, just ignore that


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 05:14 PM

Thank you!
 
There really isn't any need to downgrade Sakura's feelings for Sasuke just to boost NS. As selfish and painful and incredibly one-sided as it is, Sakura genuinely was in love with Sasuke. For anyone to completely act as though she never was in love with him or just downgrade it to a mere crush is so insulting to her character.
 
All the trials and tribulations that she went through has lead to this beautiful metamorphosis that shaped her into the queen we all love and adore today. She grew from that pain and turned it into strength. I'm glad she fell in love with Sasuke, because he's part of the reason why the queen is the queen. I love everything about my fav character.
 
Edit: I loathe SS and Sasuke from the bottom of my heart. Don't think otherwise.

That feelings are the reason which give a terrible heart ache to the queen. Sasuke is a reason for that. Her love for Sasuke is what is not good and insulting for her character. Someone like Sasuke does not deserve Sakura chan's love. It is a fact that her love for Sasuke was a selfish one but that was good because that's what taught her to be selfless and love someone selflessly. The queen is beautiful in every aspect but her love is doing more bad to her than good. Her love is an insult to her character and I don't blame her for that. It was Sasuke who changed and she really couldn't do anything about it.

I'd correct you slightly, if you don't mind. Her love for Sasuke for Sasuke was not what changed her, but instead the time she spent being with Naruto and observing him was what changed her. And this is made clear time and again. Post Naruto vs Neji fight, her insipiration to learn medical ninjutsu, her source of determination, her words to Sasori about Sasuke's whereabouts, rasenshuriken training and much much more. You know stuff better than me. Maybe its because of my hate for Sasuke but I think her love for Sasuke was the worst thing happened to her. The queen deserves to be treated like a queen and not like some random nobody. Of course like you I do love everything about her and that is exactly why I feel bad for her for loving someone like Sasuke who does not deserve her love. I can never forgive Sasuke for the way he is treating the queen :argh: I won't force you to believe this, its your call mate. But if possible just consider this, atleast once. Rest, its your call :D

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 05:17 PM

lol! obvious trolling, just ignore that

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 05:29 PM

I do wonder what this place be like once NS becomes confirm. It makes me wonder.




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