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[Syn11]

And a million fanfics were launched 

 

It would be nice to read at least one, but I can't find any. I have started something similar in Russian, about Naruto and Sakura unintentionally messing with Naruto's parents. The problem is that I'm a lazy writer. 

[luffyq1]

forneverworld and Sawyer are over glorifying their goddess Hinata regarding the latest episode lol

Didn't even watched the video and I don't plan to, but I'm not at all surprised by it. For a character that has only defeated one measly fodder, people sure do worship the ground she walks trips on. Her fighting resume is all but insignificant. If her feats or fighting isn't the reason why they love her so much, I'm gonna guess it's because of her undying love for Naruto, which is the only reason why she appears on panel.

[Syn11]

Didn't even watched the video and I don't plan to, but I'm not at all surprised by it. For a character that has only defeated one measly fodder, people sure do worship the ground she walks trips on. Her fighting resume is all but insignificant. If her feats or fighting isn't the reason why they love her so much, I'm gonna guess it's because of her undying love for Naruto, which is the only reason why she appears on panel.

 

To be fair, battle achievements are not that crucial if we're talking about actual character development. Part 1 Hinata had some depth because of the conflicts with her family (father and sister) and Neji. Naruto was Hinata's inspiration to stand up and speak her mind so she could prove to the clan that she is a capable kunoichi. And everything looked promising. Even NaruHina had a real chance. Alas! Part 2 Hinata is a one-dimenional character which constantly revolves around "Naruto-kun". I don't know how people find this particular cardboard interesting. Does it have to do with Hinata's looks and the possibility to project everything you want on thic almost blank paper with Naruto's name on it?

Edited by Syn11, 06 June 2014 - 11:59 PM.

[questdrivencollie]

 

It would be nice to read at least one, but I can't find any. I have started something similar in Russian, about Naruto and Sakura unintentionally messing with Naruto's parents. The problem is that I'm a lazy writer. 

I'd love a fanfiction like that.

I'm not much of a writer of anything beyond oneshots, so not something I'd feel confident taking up.

Edited by questdrivencollie, 07 June 2014 - 12:21 AM.

[Gojira]

Can you please state the reasons as to why you think like that? Probably I can clear that for you?

Well there are a few examples the 2009 interview where Kishi said that "Sakura worries about Naruto but she still loves Sasuke", 540 though that's pretty debatable, and though its not canon it was still written by Kishi so I'm gonna include it anyway in the beginning of the film when she wished Sasuke was there talking with her instead of Naruto (Though I think we can all agree that was OOC to an unusal degree)
 
 

Lol. Look at this way, he probably be influenced by them, so he could make a reference. Didn't stop him using esylum. Though I can see him using something Godzilla related and have Hashirama say, "Let them fight."

Well the baby dragon on the cover of the last chapter was exhaling blue flames.

[TouKen4Life3g]

First of all, he said "Naruto is close." Second, 2009, enough said. Third, we gotten this far and the idea of what's going on with Sasuke is pretty much telling you that Kishi is going to turn his last statement into whatever it will be that pretty much said, "Keep up with the time." Fourth, too many hints that has over written his "close" that now screams "too close" which can anytime now, become final. Fifth, Naruto's birthday is tomorrow (in manga). What he wants, he will get. I think that's all for now.

[Syn11]

I'd love a fanfiction like that.

I'm not much of a writer of anything beyond oneshots, so not something I'd feel confident taking up.

 

If you have someone on your mind who can take up the idea and that someone suddenly decides to try, I'll be happy to share. )

Edited by Syn11, 07 June 2014 - 12:39 AM.

[luffyq1]

 

To be fair, battle achievements are not that crucial if we're talking about actual character development. Part 1 Hinata had some depth because of the conflicts with her family (father and sister) and Neji. Naruto was Hinata's inspiration to stand up and speak her mind so she could prove to the clan that she is a capable kunoichi. And everything looked promising. Even NaruHina had a real chance. Alas! Part 2 Hinata is a one-dimenional character which constantly revolves around "Naruto-kun". I don't know how people find this particular cardboard interesting. Does it have to do with Hinata's looks and the possibility to project everything you want on thic almost blank paper with Naruto's name on it?

In the world of Naruto that's not entirely true. For example, how do you think Sakura was able to last as long as she did against the sound ninja? It's because she got sick and tired of feeling like the damsel in distress and being a burden. Seeing Lee risk his life for her, reminiscing about Naruto & Sasuke always protecting her, and wanting those three to get a good look at her back is what made her snap. It's that very same transition in her characteristics that allowed Sakura to will herself into that one-sided fight. 

 

Now the reason why I brought up fights is because fans of a particular character in this show is liked mainly due to the fact he's powerful. Like Madara. The fans that I've encountered like him him mainly due to how powerful he is and his soloing act against the Gokage.

 

Now even before I joined the pairing fandom, I never thought to myself that Naruhina had a real chance, even if her character had layers outside of Naruto. For every NH moment a NS moment followed. If anything, the conflicts in the Hyuga seemed to be centered more on Neji than Hinata, due to the curse and animosity that was going on for so long. Even during the written Chunin exams it showed Hinata's number 1 flaw: Naruto. Hinata was going to let Naruto cheat off of her, but then Naruto realized that she could get in trouble if she got caught, plus her teammates would face the consequences too. Now I don't know if this was intentional or not on Kishi's part, but this was definitely the first sign of Hinata's obsession. As of now, it's clearly obvious that this obsession will be a learning curve for her.

Edited by luffyq1, 07 June 2014 - 01:01 AM.

[rocci]

@luffy
I agree, hyuga is neji. Killing neji mean killing hyuga. Hinata only ride along with it, because she always concern to naruto.
Sakura has two main conflict : romance(love triangle) and "I always feel useless"(and all it variant).

[JILLNYN]

About Hinata theme well:

 

If we speak only of Hinata as a character in the manga without mentioning parings I think the most boring and predictable character in all manga, even tenten or random chunin could be more interesting in my opinion of course!

all the characters in the manga have a history progress and some complexity in their emotions, which is of the best qualities of this manga, but Hinata has been very disappointing, as it says the previous comment she had potential, belongs a powerful clan, was a very interesting and dramatic family history like all powerful clans, which had everything to be a great character but her thoughts about not caring about any of it more than the protagonist who has been the only goal in this manga and this has been very frustrating.

The irony is that Sakura's character was more vulnerable to be predictable and one-dimensional because Sakura does not belongs a powerfull clan, she was not interested in her ninja skills and her goal was Sasuke and now if we compare the past with existing developments  is the character evolution more dramatic in all characters over Naruto and Sasuke in my opinion.

And what it turned out? Hinata eternal fangirl and Sakura as a true heroine, in pure actions demonstrated how different they are including Sakura beyond being a fangirl or being in love proved to be the best medic ninja in her class, a real hero, compassionate and protective not Only in "Naruto-kun" and Sasuke in all her people too, in fact Sakura is an awesome character who deserves all the praise, and in a way very unfair is the female most hated in fandom, (well maybe Kaguya now win this xD)

To my compare Hinata the most predictable and least developed with Sakura the character more evolved in manga is incredibly abysmal Hinata dialogues always talk about the same and infamous phrase of Naruto-kun is sick to her own actress dubbing is pretty sad ...

Now compare that to Sakura that we never know what is going to say, her dialogues are strong reasons for paring wars and is she so incredibly unpredictable than nobody imagined to where she would be and able to get right now ...

Sakura's character is so unpredictable right now at the point that we do not know what is she is going to do in the next chapter and what lies ahead xD
 

 

 

 

 

Edited by JILLNYN, 07 June 2014 - 01:27 AM.

[redrose3443]

Yeah, there's not much to Hinata's character, when you take away Naruto. She's a nice girl, but doesn't seem to be cut out for the shinobi life style.

 

In my opinion, Sakura has only two real flaws. 1) Lack of battles and 2) Sasuke.

 

For the first flaw, we can't go back and changes things, but Kishi can help her character by having her fight in the upcoming confrontation, just like she did with Sasori. There's still time and a lot of foreshadowing says, Sakura's role is not over yet.

 

The second one, sigh, is a mess. WE know Sakura is over Sasuke, however MOST of the fandom don't believe it. I only fear that when NS becomes canon, people are gonna say she just settled for Naruto, because she couldn't have Sasuke. Again WE know that's not gonna be the case, however unless Kishi has Sakura say she's been over Sasuke for a while and was just confused or something, people will riot.( Still might, but at least it will mainly be NH/SS fans and not neutral fans.)

 

But I'm sure once those two issues are addressed more people will see her character like we do and will go back and actually NOTICE the difference between part one and part two Sakura.

[Gojira]

First of all, he said "Naruto is close." Second, 2009, enough said. Third, we gotten this far and the idea of what's going on with Sasuke is pretty much telling you that Kishi is going to turn his last statement into whatever it will be that pretty much said, "Keep up with the time." Fourth, too many hints that has over written his "close" that now screams "too close" which can anytime now, become final. Fifth, Naruto's birthday is tomorrow (in manga). What he wants, he will get. I think that's all for now.

1. Yes but that doesn't contradict what I said, from what he said it sounded like she cares about naruto and knows that he's close but still loves Sasuke

2. I don't see what it being back in 2009 has to do with anything, this interview is probably the closest to what we learned about Sakura's feelings

3. I'm not entirely sure I get what you mean

4. I'm well aware of how close NS is my main problem are the small hints of evidence where she (atleast thinks) she prefers Sasuke over Naruto.

5. Well so far he died, his sort of girlfriend has been stabbed, his friends are plant food and his reincarnated brother wants to kill him over all I'm not sure his birthday is going too well.

[TouKen4Life3g]

1) Of course she cares for Naruto but why spoil the twist over an interview. That would be a very weak surprise. Also, Kishi also said she seems to love or however it said, pretty much questioning , so take it or leave.

2) It does today. Many events have happened. The interview happened before the war got started or at least the main points such as 540 shows up. If you're only referring to that period of time, then I understand. But if you forever stick to that word, you have to stay with the current time. It's like one story said this man was a savior. Two years later, that was a hoax story. Things changed. Again, why are we getting these negative vibe of Sakura to Sasuke, I have no idea completely but it won't be well.

3) Well, I already stated it in my second one.

4) There's nothing that she prefers Sasuke over Naruto. She doesn't play comparison. She only shows one feeling at a time. She has to settle it herself, which is why you don't see anyone telling her to choose one or anything of some sort. That's her problem to deal with and Naruto won't push to go here and there. Plus, that's the element of surprise like "What! You love me!" Patience is a virtue and this series surely has tons.

5) I can't find the right saying, but you know, all goods come to those who wait. Also, it's in the battle mode. Ever witness a ultimate victory? You'll see that a lot in old One Piece arcs, like so many hardships, but when you succeed, all greatness arrives. In fact, Pain Arc happened. Everyone died (ok not everyone but they died) but guess what, Naruto made Nagato revive all of them and guess what, Naruto is the greatest hero in his own village who once hated him. Do you honestly believe we will see all Zetsu by the end of this arc? Do you honestly believe we will get a complete bad ending? Just enjoy and watch the world turn upside down.

[rocci]

@ns4life
Old onepiece arc? What happen to the new one, is it getting bad?

[Gojira]

1) Of course she cares for Naruto but why spoil the twist over an interview. That would be a very weak surprise. Also, Kishi also said she seems to love or however it said, pretty much questioning , so take it or leave.

2) It does today. Many events have happened. The interview happened before the war got started or at least the main points such as 540 shows up. If you're only referring to that period of time, then I understand. But if you forever stick to that word, you have to stay with the current time. It's like one story said this man was a savior. Two years later, that was a hoax story. Things changed. Again, why are we getting these negative vibe of Sakura to Sasuke, I have no idea completely but it won't be well.

3) Well, I already stated it in my second one.

4) There's nothing that she prefers Sasuke over Naruto. She doesn't play comparison. She only shows one feeling at a time. She has to settle it herself, which is why you don't see anyone telling her to choose one or anything of some sort. That's her problem to deal with and Naruto won't push to go here and there. Plus, that's the element of surprise like "What! You love me!" Patience is a virtue and this series surely has tons.

5) I can't find the right saying, but you know, all goods come to those who wait. Also, it's in the battle mode. Ever witness a ultimate victory? You'll see that a lot in old One Piece arcs, like so many hardships, but when you succeed, all greatness arrives. In fact, Pain Arc happened. Everyone died (ok not everyone but they died) but guess what, Naruto made Nagato revive all of them and guess what, Naruto is the greatest hero in his own village who once hated him. Do you honestly believe we will see all Zetsu by the end of this arc? Do you honestly believe we will get a complete bad ending? Just enjoy and watch the world turn upside down.

1. He basically already did saying that her confession was honest. Well I want to side with you on this one but I'm not sure the context could be taken that way, its one thing to keep the end pairing a secret till the end its another thing to have Sakura still favor Sasuke over Naruto red herring or not.

2. No I'm referring to that time I don't think she currently favors Sasuke over Naruto, I just think its odd (if) Sasuke was the someone else its contradicting on several levels. And its not the fact that she still loves him that's the problem its (if) he was the someone else she was talking about, which shows after everything that's happened after all the NS development in part 2, the honest confession and her and Sasuke trying to kill each other, Sasuke was still the one she planned on being with atleast until she's reminded that he's not a great guy (540 is a problem because It heavily implies its Sasuke while on the other hand it would be contradicting and Kishi has a knack for getting the message across wrong so it could be either or)

3. okay dokey

4. I'm not saying she does want to choose.

5. One thing that I always thought the story lacked was that feeling of succeeding after a victory One Piece, Dragonball, Rave and Fairy Tail all have a celebration chapter after a story arc where kitten was serious for a long time and it was great because it lets you catch a breather and it was nice to see the characters not stressing over for a change and having fun. With Naruto its "gotta rescue Gaara, now I gotta rescue Sasuke, now we gotta defeat H&K, now we gotta find Itachi, now we gotta defeat Pain, now we gotta find the Raikage, now we gotta stop Sasuke, now we gotta go into war" Its one event after the other without seeing characters lighten up for a while, hopefully there's some kind of celebration after the war's over.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
Old onepiece arc? What happen to the new one, is it getting bad?

Well, the current one is still going on with its own battlefield. The thing is it's been a while since the crew got that huge struggle and then a grand victory. Now, it's like "Oh this shouldn't be hard." I mean I missed the days like Alabasta Arc where so many downfalls happen like people dying left and right, people keeps fighting even when something tragic happens for both worlds, and Luffy puts a huge struggle against the boss. So when the victory happens, many of greatness happen all at once, such as water finally appear to the land, war ended, king is saved, and so on. Now, it's just your daily routine. I like when you feel like what you fought is hell but when you win, it feels like you won the world. I guess that's why I'm bothered if the anime can give you that vibe. Sure got that from AoT. So yeah...

[TouKen4Life3g]

1) Well, I can't force you to agree with me, but I would say that the developments that's going on now is saying something and the only real answer I can give you is wait until Sakura narrates that conclusion. She always does, because she's like Naruto, speeches inner or to others. Funny when you think about it.

2) Pretty much the same as the first one. If there's anything we all learned is patience and yes, it's a huge kitten, but that's Kishi's game and he sure love to mess with us. Honestly, by the end of this battle, we will get our answer.

3) Yeah...Filler.

4) I know you're not, but she hasn't play any favoritism. It just so happen the one who she love or loved is the guy who no longer works like the old Team 7.

5) The thing is Kishi doesn't give that much of a gap of rest. You do get the conclusion but it will last only a chapter or two. I guess you can say it's an ongoing event in the series. As for this conclusion to the war, I do believe we will get a good rest, because knowing Kishi, this is all about Naruto, so he will get shine in his own birthday. No, it won't be a volume worth but it will be satisfying enough.

[JILLNYN]

Pepsi sometimes I think that you spend much time with sasusaku fans , sometimes I feel you're very pessimistic,part of me understand you because all NS fans have a part of us that doubt and uncertainty about the future of the manga, but I feel that you constantly disappointed very quickly.


I agree very much with NS4life also Sakura's feelings have changed much, if Sakura's feelings kept static when she is the 12 year old girl would still hating Naruto, nothing is static in her feelings about him.

If Kishimoto would have interviewed at the beginning of Part 1, he had said that Sakura does not confident in Naruto, his answer would be very different if you interview him now, manga speaks for itself Sakura cares about Naruto is clear who cares CPR is a very strong hint about her worries

[ramenanmitsu]

It's really surprising how much Hinata fans there are on the internet. Interesting because I don't see them around in real life.

 

My Chinese friend who has just started reading Naruto said that every time he sees Hinata, he has the sudden urge to hit her head with a stick and make her unconscious so he doesn't need to hear another of her "Naruto-kun" which annoys him to no end. 

 

While I was playing Naruto game last year with my Japanese friend, the game sometimes replays the Naruto scenes in their own original way and so had this scene where Hinata shouted "Naruto-kuuuuuun" (during the Pein fight I think?). My friend just yelled, , "GET OUT OF THE SCREEN YOU WEAKLING! WEAKLING LIKE YOU HAS NO PLACE IN THIS BATTLE GAME!" 

 

And it's not only guys. 

 

My sister hates her too. And then my girl friend also said, "what girl wouldn't hate her? She's the type of girl every girl hates."

 

I wonder where all the Hinata fans are hiding really....It would be really interesting to talk with them. I don't hate her myself. But I certainly can't find anything about her that deems worthy of extreme praise. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 07 June 2014 - 03:20 AM.

[JILLNYN]

all are in Mexico city ha ha

 

sorry consolation to myself

Edited by JILLNYN, 07 June 2014 - 03:31 AM.