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[Gaara's hair]

Gee, are they desperate.

I'd love to see how they're going to do it, lol. Good luck, NH people!

They'll use thier ninja skills, sneak into kishi's house and gentle fist him to death.

[Chatte]

ABout Hashirama... 

Tsunade graduated at 6 years old... and in his recent memories, she was about 2 years old.

It's not that far-fetched to think that he was alive seeing Tsunade's super-duper-strength.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

KnS, you just brought up another reason why I can't stand the criticisms Sakura receives. The double-standards are awful. Like you said, if they're going to nag about Sakura accepting Sasuke for the time being, why not also apply those criticisms to Kakashi, or the rest of the K9? Why is that criticism only applied to Sakura, especially when she was the only female that showed apprehension when Sasuke first arrived?

 

Do these panels mean absolutely nothing?

 

She's hesitant even while Naruto is approaching Sasuke, (which, as you mentioned, he did before she did.) I just can't wrap my head around it. I really can't.

I'm sincerely not very fond of Sakura, NS shipper side comes mostly from because i'm a Naruto fan, Naruto means main character so...
i'm saying is that for me all the female characters on Naruto are bad portraited, Sakura distinguishs because she has more panel time and also she got development, dont come with "She's a character to have a most realistic appealing" because if that's the case she would have already moved on from Sasuke and fall in love with Naruto.

This whole criticism is understandable since part 1 gives a really bad impression towards Sakura character and the first impression is that lasts, so think about on a manga where the targeted audience is pre-teen.
Like you said, what doesnt fit in my head is how all her flaws has only one name "sasuke" she's intellingent character, she's smart and strong and it's capable of doing a lot of things but when Sasuke is involved somehow she always take the wrong decisions or make things that are not understandable, example her confession to Naruto wanst needed but she did that on the same way and did that wrong, if the main purpose was to show to Naruto that she loves her, why she had to talk about Sasuke, if she was really smart she could just confessed her love and ask Naruto to come back to the village for his own safety(and then have some more private talk about the promise) rather than trying to prove Naruto why she doesnt love Sasuke anymore and worse why she doesnt care about him anymore, and why she's already in love with him.

It's like there's two Sakura and after all that happened being sincere if shows up that she still loves that guy, certainly i wont enjoy much her character, but still i will ship NS, because for me it's endgame, not with the same enthusiams since it's obviously going to be asspulled or done poorly, but still she remains as the best female character on the series, from there you can think how well written are the female characters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 June 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[Akashi]

@ Slextrem: It's because they want to read Sakura's panels the way they want, and want to give her a hard time. As for haters... Haters gonna hate.

I guess she's just some punching bag to them. They just don't want to accept the obvious, that's why they twist all the facts, plus direct all their anger/frustration on the character "who's (in their opinion) the cause of all the problems in NARUTOverse", namely Sakura.

ABout Hashirama... 

Tsunade graduated at 6 years old... and in his recent memories, she was about 2 years old.

It's not that far-fetched to think that he was alive seeing Tsunade's super-duper-strength.

When Hiruzen became the leader/sensei of their squad, he looked quite older than when Tobirama died. That's why I assume that Tsunade was known for her enormous power before she graduated/Hashi's death.

Edited by Tauriel, 02 June 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[StriderC]

 

A pro-Hinata/anti-Sakura bias is one thing, but the whole argument went off the rails with "the bored dismissal that [Naruto] gives to Sakura's confession."     Naruto went through a lot of different emotions during Sakura's confession, but no matter how you slice it, "bored dismissal" was not one them.  A statement like that doesn't betray a simple bias, it betrays a blatant denial of the facts.

It's not a crime to dislike a character -- even Sakura.  Prefering Hinata?  That's okay too.  Each of us are attracted to and affected by different things about different characters, and those preferences are going to lead us to subjective bias at times.  Again, no crime there.

The problem creeps in when a fan cannot acknowledge their bias, or admit they are unwilling to apply their standards for character behavior consistently.

The argument spanning the last few pages of this thread was also off the rails when Sakura -- and only Sakura -- was judged for allowing Sasuke to fight with them, and for setting aside everything he's done to her and others in that moment in order to face a common enemy.  It was immediately presumed that her willingness to do this was all because of romance and fangirling, even though no such behavior or intention is in evidence.

As several others pointed out, she simply followed Naruto's lead and it's ridiculous to judge Sakura harshly based on her willingness to fight alongside her old teammate -- and likely only temporarily while the battle conditions are grave -- especially when Naruto chose to do so first.

 

It's not as if there has been no precedent for such.  Regardless of what Orochimaru did, Jiraiya never gave up following him and keeping an eye out for him.  Are we to believe that if Orochimaru had turned away from evil -- briefly or permanently -- that Jiraiya and Tsunade would have rejected him or his help in a situation where his contribution might help achieve success?

Are we to believe that Kakashi is worthy of hate because he's in the other dimension with Obito right now, trying to recover whatever humanity and goodness might remain in him?  If Obito ends up assisting the alliance in any way, should the benefits of his actions be refused because he once did terrible things?

What irks me the most is the suggestion that Sakura did not react as a capable kunoichi with something to offer to the battle, but as a romance-driven Sasuke fangirl -- despite the fact that she stepped up AFTER Naruto had already done so.

Sakura's entire focus was on proving that her skills could compete with those of her teammates, and that she could offer them and the alliance something of considerable value in the fight.  That is a very, very, VERY far cry from Hinata's motivation to rush out and confront Pain, with no strategy or suitable skills and with no tangible or stated goal other than to declare her love for Naruto and die with him.

 

One acting like a powerful ninja, the other acting like a lovestruck girl.  Inconvenient for Sakura haters, perhaps, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

Just my opinion.

 

P.S.  I don't devalue Hinata's current bravery in battle.  She has grown a lot, and I give her credit for that.  The degree to which her skills, strength, and confidence has developed is, however, still far below Sakura's in my opinion, but that's to be expected.  Sakura is the story's heroine.

LOL You done did it again! This awesome LAP!   Well said my friend. I could agree with you more and especially your last comment about Hinata. 

[KnS]

KnS, you just brought up another reason why I can't stand the criticisms Sakura receives. The double-standards are awful. Like you said, if they're going to nag about Sakura accepting Sasuke for the time being, why not also apply those criticisms to Kakashi, or the rest of the K9? Why is that criticism only applied to Sakura, especially when she was the only female that showed apprehension when Sasuke first arrived?

 

Do these panels mean absolutely nothing?

 

She's hesitant even while Naruto is approaching Sasuke, (which, as you mentioned, he did before she did.) I just can't wrap my head around it. I really can't.

 

But, that's why I don't "debate" anymore. It'll drive me crazy.

 

Bolded:  EXACTLY.  I don't know how much more obvious Kishimoto could have made it.  But then that's true of a lot of things in this story that fans continually ignore, reject, or misinterpret.

 

Wait... is Sakura blushing in those panels?    /jk

[Slextrem]

Honestly, I think people are expecting too much too soon from Sakura. Sasuke is her main obstacle in this series, and she will move past him eventually, but we have to be patient for that. Over the course of the series, she's been taking steps in the right direction when it comes to moving past Sasuke. In fact, we're probably really close to seeing her finally overcoming that final hurdle, but she has to take it one step at a time.

 

She's finally reached her goal of being able to fight back-to-back with her teammates. That's a big jump for her! The resolution to her feelings will come shortly, but as her final obstacle, I don't expect to see her jump that hurdle until the end. She's not going to do it all at once.

[Gaara's hair]

She is blushing look at her cheeks! Its over

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Bolded:  EXACTLY.  I don't know how much more obvious Kishimoto could have made it.  But then that's true of a lot of things in this story that fans continually ignore, reject, or misinterpret.

 

Wait... is Sakura blushing in those panels?    /jk

Just to finish up, she's not blushing(but rather she was very surprised like why he's here?) but i feel that Kishimoto may distinguish her from the other two, Ino got her development as being someome mature, Sakura got her development which came from a power-up but with Ino who had a better development than Sakura on this arc, he regressed her character making her to still love Sasuke even defining that as a "perfect love", i'm expecting what he's going to do with Sakura, is he going to regress her back like he did with Ino(after giving her development), or he will make her shine distinguishing her from the other two girls showing that she doesnt love Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 June 2013 - 09:00 PM.

[Slextrem]

Wait... is Sakura blushing in those panels?    /jk

I see what you did there.

[StriderC]

I'm sincerely not very fond of Sakura, NS shipper side comes mostly from because i'm a Naruto fan, Naruto means main character so...
i'm saying is that for me all the female characters on Naruto are bad portraited, Sakura distinguishs because she has more panel time and also she got development, dont come with "She's a character to have a most realistic appealing" because if that's the case she would have already moved on from Sasuke and fall in love with Naruto.

This whole criticism is understandable since part 1 gives a really bad impression towards Sakura character and the first impression is that lasts, so think about on a manga where the targeted audience is pre-teen.
Like you said, what doesnt fit in my head is how all her flaws has only one name "sasuke" she's intellingent character, she's smart and strong and it's capable of doing a lot of things but when Sasuke is involved somehow she always take the wrong decisions or make things that are not understandable, example her confession to Naruto wanst needed but she did that on the same way and did that wrong, if the main purpose was to show to Naruto that she loves her, why she had to talk about Sasuke, if she was really smart she could just confessed her love and ask Naruto to come back to the village for his own safety(and then have some more private talk about the promise) rather than trying to prove Naruto why she doesnt love Sasuke anymore and worse why she doesnt care about him anymore, and why she's already in love with him.

It's like there's two Sakura and after all that happened being sincere if shows up that she still loves that guy, certainly i wont enjoy much her character, but still i will ship NS, because for me it's endgame, not with the same enthusiams since it's obviously going to be asspulled or done poorly, but still she remains as the best female character on the series, from there you can think how well written are the female characters.

Hmmm, personally, I feel she's a very well written character aside from her crazy feelings for Sasuke. Outside of her feelings for Sasuke, there's really nothing that I have a problem with when it comes to her. Actually, her feelings for him aren't a problem for me either tbh. 

 

Sakura may lack a lot of battle moments for a main, but as for everything else she has going on, she's quite awesome. Her build up from being Naruto and Sasuke's shadow to actually being able to fight beside them. Her being an equal to her rival Ino and no longer being looked down on by her. Her desire to be more useful to Naruto, and her growing relationship with Naruto. As it's been stated time and time again, the care she has for Sasuke resembles that of her teammate Naruto. Hell, I'm sure Kakashi would be fighting with them right now if he weren't handling Obito, and people wouldn't have a problem with it. And let's not forget that he, an adult in NaruVerse, wants Team 7 to be back to the old days pretty much. It's what all of Team 7 wants. I dislike how Sakura has gotten singled out for such a minor response in this chapter, and how the moment got blew up beyond proportion but at least some people are aware of the significance of the moment and what it actually meant. Anyway, Sakura's definitely a well written character, and the coming of NS wouldn't be an asspull considering it was built up since Chapter 3. 

[StriderC]

I see what you did there.

   She's blushing dammit! Stop it KnS!! LOL. 

[Slextrem]

   She's blushing dammit! Stop it KnS!! LOL. 

Whatever you say, Oust. Whatever you say.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hmmm, personally, I feel she's a very well written character aside from her crazy feelings for Sasuke. Outside of her feelings for Sasuke, there's really nothing that I have a problem with when it comes to her. Actually, her feelings for him aren't a problem for me either tbh. 

 

Sakura may lack a lot of battle moments for a main, but as for everything else she has going on, she's quite awesome. Her build up from being Naruto and Sasuke's shadow to actually being able to fight beside them. Her being an equal to her rival Ino and no longer being looked down on by her. Her desire to be more useful to Naruto, and her growing relationship with Naruto. As it's been stated time and time again, the care she has for Sasuke resembles that of her teammate Naruto. Hell, I'm sure Kakashi would be fighting with them right now if he weren't handling Obito, and people wouldn't have a problem with it. And let's not forget that he, an adult in NaruVerse, wants Team 7 to be back to the old days pretty much. It's what all of Team 7 wants. I dislike how Sakura has gotten singled out for such a minor response in this chapter, and how the moment got blew up beyond proportion but at least some people are aware of the significance of the moment and what it actually meant. Anyway, Sakura's definitely a well written character, and the coming of NS wouldn't be an asspull considering it was built up since Chapter 3. 

My rate towards her character is 6/10, with Sasuke taking -4 from her score, because we all know how flawed she is thanks to this crazy love, like you pointed out about her development we all know that the old days will neve came back, Sasuke has his own team, Naruto will be hokage, Sakura is the only one who does not have a definition about what she's going to do on the future, or she will enjoy an abusive relationship with Sasuke or she will be the hokage's wife and have a happy and funny relationship with Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 June 2013 - 09:11 PM.

[HauntedCake]

i wish sasuke would end this nonsense and just tell them he's not interested in any of them (other then Naruto )

[StriderC]

Whatever you say, Oust. Whatever you say.

You guys are secretly taking jabs at me.    This fandom is soooo mean! It doesn't feel like a sanctuary anymore! LOL

 

My rate towards her character is 6/10, with Sasuke taking -4 from her score, because we all know how flawed she is thanks to this crazy love, like you pointed out about her development we all know that the old days will neve came back, Sasuke has his own team, Naruto will be hokage, Sakura is the only one who does not have a definition about what she's going to do on the future, or she will enjoy an abusive relationship with Sasuke or she will be the hokage's wife and have a happy and funny relationship with Naruto.

Well, if Sasuke's the reason she lost 4, then I'm not even mad. LOL At least you don't bash her character like trolls and such so that's a good thing. And who knows, if Sasuke gets redeemed, they'll likely be able to laugh again like the old days. Sure it won't be exactly the same but it'd be so much better since Sasuke isn't consumed by revenge anymore and he'd likely be fully redeemed. We just have to see how it all unfolds. 

[Slextrem]

You guys are secretly taking jabs at me.    This fandom is soooo mean! It doesn't feel like a sanctuary anymore! LOL

You could always try your luck at NarutoForums, or better yet, Youtube.

[ALESSE]

LOL After last chapter, I HAD to add the Yin Seal.     
 
I'm "more or less" done with this bit, Gotta figure out what type of background i want and touch up a few things, but I hope you guys like it!
 
 

And then you ask me why ur so awesome.
Great pic.

Prediction time.
I don't think the fight between naruto and sasuke is gonna be a friend vs friend. I think it's gonna be a full on fight for the world and clashing ideals between the two. Naruto even sensed that he's still hasn't completely turned, that's why naruto said to himself, leave him to me.
Sasuke will be influenced again. He wants to change the world because he's made up his mind on what's happened why its happened and who did it and how HE Thinks he's gonna fix it. That's should set up the final naruto vs sasuke fight as the most epic and important one of them all after they both get even more overpowered.

I think obito is gonna turn.
Madara and the hokages are gonna get resolved but before anything he's gonna influence sasuke one more Time. Hashi did it so he should have a similar impact on him.

I do see sasuke taking control of the junbi. There I said first. U my awesome friend are my witness. Lolz.
Come on. That's think about it. That's the most hyped up fight. And it has to be grander on every level than any of the fights of the predecessors. The whole new gen over precious gen thing.

So narusaku, well it's all been said. It ll happen. You know I know, we here know it. And kishi knows it. The parallels are there. We're just anxious cause its been 1 years. I say by the end of the year we should get one or two more mements to reinforce narusaku more. I think he next one will be a saku----->moment.

[StriderC]

You could always try your luck at NarutoForums, or better yet, Youtube.

LOL YT is a battlezone, and I've no interest in NF. I'll just have to suck it up and deal.   

 

And then you ask me why ur so awesome.
Great pic.

Prediction time.
I don't think the fight between naruto and sasuke is gonna be a friend vs friend. I think it's gonna be a full on fight for the world and clashing ideals between the two. Naruto even sensed that he's still hasn't completely turned, that's why naruto said to himself, leave him to me.
Sasuke will be influenced again. He wants to change the world because he's made up his mind on what's happened why its happened and who did it and how HE Thinks he's gonna fix it. That's should set up the final naruto vs sasuke fight as the most epic and important one of them all after they both get even more overpowered.

I think obito is gonna turn.
Madara and the hokages are gonna get resolved but before anything he's gonna influence sasuke one more Time. Hashi did it so he should have a similar impact on him.

I do see sasuke taking control of the junbi. There I said first. U my awesome friend are my witness. Lolz.
Come on. That's think about it. That's the most hyped up fight. And it has to be grander on every level than any of the fights of the predecessors. The whole new gen over precious gen thing.

So narusaku, well it's all been said. It ll happen. You know I know, we here know it. And kishi knows it. The parallels are there. We're just anxious cause its been 1 years. I say by the end of the year we should get one or two more mements to reinforce narusaku more. I think he next one will be a saku----->moment.

LOL Thanks!  

 

Hmmm, as for the bolded, that's actually been brought up before, but if he takes over the Juubi, he's gonna be pretty much unstoppable. O_o; 

 

Anyway, very solid prediction. Lets see how it all unfolds, and you should definitely post this in the prediction thread so it doesn't get lost in the thread. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

LOL YT is a battlezone, and I've no interest in NF. I'll just have to suck it up and deal.   
 
LOL Thanks!  
 
Hmmm, as for the bolded, that's actually been brought up before, but if he takes over the Juubi, he's gonna be pretty much unstoppable. O_o; 
 
Anyway, very solid prediction. Lets see how it all unfolds, and you should definitely post this in the prediction thread so it doesn't get lost in the thread. 

Impossible maybe, but that's where the enjoyment is at. Let's be honest, Sasuke needs one more power-up because if Naruto takes out Juubi by himself, that's too much for anyone to match. Madara is lucky to be Edo because unlimited supplies of chakra as well as can't die. So long Naruto can only remain BM in a time limit, they won't have hard time yet.