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[redrose3443]

Actually now that it's mentioned, NH never really has had a negative moment has it? Like if we put ourselves in Hinata's shoes, she's only made progress with Naruto. Naruto has never said he likes Sakura around Hinata and were not certain that she knows he does and it's not like he's ever been mean to her. Sakura has experienced many bad moments with Sasuke, which lead to her questioning her love, but for Hinata it's only been getting better. Although on Naruto's side nothing has really changed, he just see's her as more than a weird girl and thinks of her as one of his friends in his age group.

 

I don't know if it's gonna be a dream world turned nightmare or something, but some way Kishi is gonna need to shake Hinata's unwavering devotion before or during NS becoming canon.

[questdrivencollie]

Real relationships, platonic or otherwise, have bad moments sometimes. Because people, even best friends or soulmates, simply don't always get along, and personalities clash. Naruto and Hinata haven't really interacted enough for anything too negative to happen between them. 

Edited by questdrivencollie, 05 June 2014 - 06:16 AM.

[咲耶姫]

Actually now that it's mentioned, NH never really has had a negative moment has it? Like if we put ourselves in Hinata's shoes, she's only made progress with Naruto. Naruto has never said he likes Sakura around Hinata and were not certain that she knows he does and it's not like he's ever been mean to her. Sakura has experienced many bad moments with Sasuke, which lead to her questioning her love, but for Hinata it's only been getting better. Although on Naruto's side nothing has really changed, he just see's her as more than a weird girl and thinks of her as one of his friends in his age group.

 

I don't know if it's gonna be a dream world turned nightmare or something, but some way Kishi is gonna need to shake Hinata's unwavering devotion before or during NS becoming canon.

That's what I meant, it's a problem that there was no negative moments betwen them, how can Hinata get over Naruto if she has no reason to do so. Kishi didn't put a basis in her process of getting over her love, like he did with Sakura concerning Sasuke. That's why, at this state, I think the resolutio of her feelings will be a rejection from Naruto and if not, I think it could be her realizing through this dream that she's being selfish about her feeling for him, that she didn't considered his feelings. 

 

Real relationships, platonic or otherwise, have bad moments sometimes. Because people, even best friends or soulmates, simply don't always get along, and personalities clash. Naruto and Hinata haven't really interacted enough for anything too negative to happen between them. 

I don't think Naruto pairing should be compared to real life relationship. It's a manga, if it was like real life relationship, Naruto and Sakura would have get over Sasuke since long time ago. 

[JILLNYN]

Honestly I don't like to use that phrase " this paring is dead "

Because while the manga continues , no paring die or affirm because that would mean losing fans as been said in the comments above .

But that does not mean they do not exist in the manga important " hints " important nuances that reflect the way we take their characters .

I know many are upset that Kishimoto put so many obstacles and so much uncertainty that cause sows much regret the fandom but after having experienced other manga on parings , is that uncertainty and suffering caused by this makes us grow as fans, makes us grow as readers, that makes us want to read carefully , and develop a capacity for empathy with his characters .

If Narusaku not have obstacles would not be so beautifully made and developed ,  Kisimoto  put a lot of attention to Sakura and Naruto draws so much history, so much that overwhelms all other parings , I just remember inferno180 in his analysis in tumblr saying that Narusaku is not only the destination is a journey and this manga is a journey that we all walk and laugh and suffer with him .

 

 

I so agree, the romance subplot is so wrongly dealt with. And there is one thing that is bothering me to no end, it's the fact that Kishi has not shown yet ONE hint of NH dying, like he's doing with SS. You see I'm not talking about story plot hint like the dream, I'm talking about hint from the characters themselves, like Naruto thinking about Hinata's feelings, feeling guilty or whatever feeling about it, or Hinata noticing Naruto's love for Sakura, or at least some sign of affection towards Sakura. You see what I mean, there is no negative moment like SS is dealing with at the current time.

About "hints" of NH dying, as I said I do not like using that term, but if there was uncertainty in the 615, the 631 is an important "hint" Naruto saying that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend took like "joke" but we all know that Naruto hate play with feelings more when are his feelings, as we saw in the Sakura confession, Naruto does not like playing with it, perhaps when Naruto asked  to Sakura for dates usually does seem to mitigate  that Sakura does not get angry but for him is very important, so we know that it conveys the seriousness that he can not confess to Sakura what he feels for her because  he do not feel worthy, for him is very serious.

I hate that most Western fans have felt moved by Hinata confessing and throwing to Pain ...

but do not feel moved by Naruto fighting Gaara eventhough it from trembling feet invaded for fear  only to protect Sakura

But the saddest thing is that there they don't feel moved by Naruto when he decides to bring Sasuke for Sakura happyness accepting this promise with a smile while suffering inside .... this for me was the most beautiful and spectacular sacrifice I've seen on a shounen manga, so beautiful that overshadows everything else that has happened in this manga, and as it says on tumblr megumi NH and SS fans are losing it !

 

 

Sakura is another great example of the great nuances and hints that are in manga and its path should deeply love a person to prefer his dream before own , and must love a lot a person to put his safety before own feelings for another person, in 663 Sakura is  evidence of a genuine and disinterested love for Naruto whatever their nature of her feelings. Sakura can keep saying Sasuke- kun but consciously or unconsciously has done so much more for Naruto ever has done for Sasuke, she has shown love to Naruto as no one has loved and again the NH and SS fans are losing it

Why people can not support genuine and pure Naruto's feelings of love towards Sakura? is he the protagonist?

Why people can not see that it's much more romantic to sacrifice everything for the dream of another person that we love that simply take his hand?

Maybe because people get carried away by appearances and is not used to seeing the essence behind the characters actions

Edited by JILLNYN, 05 June 2014 - 06:43 AM.

[Sakura~]

LOL THANKS Guys!! ^.^ I feel better now. I agree with all of you, but seeing how Toriyama made Goku end up with Chichi kinda made my worried since she's a side character like Hinata and I always thought its impossible for a side character to end up with the main boy, but never mind somebody told me that dbz sucks at romance, so I'm not worried anymore. ( I have never seen dbz btw ) :)

[Gojira]

That's what I meant, it's a problem that there was no negative moments betwen them, how can Hinata get over Naruto if she has no reason to do so. Kishi didn't put a basis in her process of getting over her love, like he did with Sakura concerning Sasuke. That's why, at this state, I think the resolutio of her feelings will be a rejection from Naruto and if not, I think it could be her realizing through this dream that she's being selfish about her feeling for him, that she didn't considered his feelings. 
 
I don't think Naruto pairing should be compared to real life relationship. It's a manga, if it was like real life relationship, Naruto and Sakura would have get over Sasuke since long time ago.

That's something else I gotta bring up. Naruto has shown more dedication to bringing Sasuke back then anyone else in the manga Sakura included, his connection and determination to bringing him back seem to be a lot stronger than Sakura's, all the more evidence that in Part 2 it was slowly starting to descend into more platonic love than anything else, when Tobi kidnapped Sasuke we didn't even get a reaction shot from Sakura but we got one from Naruto, Kakashi and Sai. In the Sai arc its implied that the reason she wants to bring Sasuke back is not for herself because she loves him but for Naruto because he's like a brother to him from what I recall MS's translation of Sakura's thoughts in 632 and 676 pretty much say this (though its most likely an incorrect translation) which makes it all the more confusing when those confusing moments that are tangled up in the middle of the loop that I mentioned before shows up. NH has them but I think NS might have more.

LOL THANKS Guys!! ^.^ I feel better now. I agree with all of you, but seeing how Toriyama made Goku end up with Chichi kinda made my worried since she's a side character like Hinata and I always thought its impossible for a side character to end up with the main boy, but never mind somebody told me that dbz sucks at romance, so I'm not worried anymore. ( I have never seen dbz btw ) :)

If it makes you feel any better Goku only married Chi Chi because he felt guilty about not knowing what a marriage was (assuming it was a type of food)

Edited by Pepsi, 05 June 2014 - 06:45 AM.

[tekopi]

 

But the saddest thing is that there they don't feel moved by Naruto when he decides to bring Sasuke for Sakura happyness accepting this promise with a smile while suffering inside .... this for me was the most beautiful and spectacular sacrifice I've seen on a shounen manga, so beautiful that overshadows everything else that has happened in this manga, and as it says on tumblr megumi NH and SS fans are losing it !

 

 

 

And that what is mean as a true, pure love, not just some ordinary crush or plain fondness, but something that cause him to be selfless regarding his own personal feeling and gain. Heck, I think Naruto had big chances to make his move towards Sakura the moment Sasuke walked away, but he decide to make it fair and square. He cherishes her so much, that is why this two is adorable, especially since Sakura unconsciously 'hinting' that Naruto's feeling being reciprocate by the same act from her. If only they realized and resolve it. But that would make the manga's 'charm' to be a bit less, I think.

[咲耶姫]

About "hints" of NH dying, as I said I do not like using that term, but if there was uncertainty in the 615, the 631 is an important "hint" Naruto saying that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend took like "joke" but we all know that Naruto hate play with feelings more when are his feelings, as we saw in the Sakura confession, Naruto does not like playing with it, perhaps when Naruto asked  to Sakura for dates usually does seem to mitigate  that Sakura does not get angry but for him is very important, so we know that it conveys the seriousness that he can not confess to Sakura what he feels for her because  he do not feel worthy, for him is very serious.

you didn't understand the purpose of my post, it was only refering to NH, NS aside. There is no need to bring NS and Sakura in this debate, it has nothing to do with what I meant. What I want is a hint of NH dying, like I said a move from Hinata or Naruto towards each other (I'm talking about a bad move). 

[Sakura~]

you didn't understand the purpose of my post, it was only refering to NH, NS aside. There is no need to bring NS and Sakura in this debate, it has nothing to do with what I meant. What I want is a hint of NH dying, like I said a move from Hinata or Naruto towards each other (I'm talking about a bad move).

I agree with you. I just need one more hint of NH dying before I claim that's its "completely" dead.

[JILLNYN]

 

you didn't understand the purpose of my post, it was only refering to NH, NS aside. There is no need to bring NS and Sakura in this debate, it has nothing to do with what I meant. What I want is a hint of NH dying, like I said a move from Hinata or Naruto towards each other (I'm talking about a bad move).

I think this hint is not in the same way that SS, by simply the dynamics are very different, the characters are very different from.

Maybe it's just the strangest thing in NH, we do not know if Hinata really she realizes that Naruto is in love with Sakura, and she should know if she knows enough of him is a mystery, I think the "Hint" will come from her side, Naruto is very friendly and naive to realize that he needs to say that, finally I agree that she must realize it for herself.

[咲耶姫]

I think this hint is not in the same way that SS, by simply the dynamics are very different, the characters are very different from.

Maybe it's just the strangest thing in NH, we do not know if Hinata really she realizes that Naruto is in love with Sakura, and she should know if she knows enough of him is a mystery, I think the "Hint" will come from her side, Naruto is very friendly and naive to realize that he needs to say that, finally I agree that she must realize it for herself.

Thats's still not what I mean, I mean a hint from the author that is hinting that Hinata is falling out of love, realizing that she's not the one Naruto loves, that her love for him is selfish, that she's not meant to be with him or Naruto thinking about Hinata's feelings, like him baing guilty, thinking about giving her an answer to her confession.Somehting like that.

I know it's not the same dynamic and not the same type of character. Who wouldn't know that lol? I was talking about the resolution of NH relatioship like Kishi is currently resolving SS relationship. And by "like" I don't mean it's the same, I mean doing the same thing, that's to say resolving  the relationship but not in the same way. I never said that. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 05 June 2014 - 07:41 AM.

[redrose3443]

I think Kishi has bitten of more than he can chew at this point. Not only does he still need to resolve Kaguya's fight, Madara ( who will show up eventually), Obito, Naru/ Sasu fight, Orochimaru/ Kabuto, Edo kages, what the shinobi nations will do, and the sage business, but he also needs to deal with all the subplot loves, from Ino, Lee, and Hinata.

 

Like are Orochi/ Kabu still gonna be villains? Will Sasuke actually return to the leaf, not becoming Hokage?( What the hell was up with that anyway?) If the SA remain in an alliance is there gonna be any need for ninjas? For the romances, is he just gonna conclude them all in a time skip, not showing how/why their feelings changed?

 

So, I think Naruto has another two years at this point, unless Kishi half a**es it the rest of the way through.

[narusaku256]

LOL THANKS Guys!! ^.^ I feel better now. I agree with all of you, but seeing how Toriyama made Goku end up with Chichi kinda made my worried since she's a side character like Hinata and I always thought its impossible for a side character to end up with the main boy, but never mind somebody told me that dbz sucks at romance, so I'm not worried anymore. ( I have never seen dbz btw ) :)

DBZ romance plot sucked anyway. Akira himself stated that he did not care about the pairings. But in here, Kishi does. Literally and figuratively Naruto's and Hinata's personality don't mesh with each other. Hinata is a quiet, shy, calm and peaceful girl whereas Naruto is energetic, outgoing, dynamic, jumpy and very very active. Hinata just cannot keep up with him and neither can she keep him in check. Now, Sakura is strong, well balanced(not always XD), outgoing and knows how to keep a check on Naruto. She knows what will make him happy, how to knock some sense into him and most importantly she knows how to take care of him. She can even replace Naruto when it comes to teamwork. I mean Naruto can handle things at the front and at the back, she can take care of that very very well, supporting him. Hinata just cannot do that! As I like to state it, Sakura was literally the back bone of Naruto in this war. 

 

I agree with you. I just need one more hint of NH dying before I claim that's its "completely" dead.

NH hint which nails it once and for all....well as @咲耶姫 said, we won't get a negative moment now. Either she will realise that herself or...its a rejection from Naruto.

[JILLNYN]

 

Thats's still not what I mean, I mean a hint from the author that is hinting that Hinata is falling out of love, realizing that she's not the one Naruto loves, that her love for him is selfish, that she's not meant to be with him or Naruto thinking about Hinata's feelings, like him baing guilty, thinking about giving her an answer to her confession.Somehting like that.

I know it's not the same dynamic and not the same type of character. Who wouldn't know that lol? I was talking about the resolution of NH relatioship like Kishi is currently resolving SS relationship. And by "like" I don't mean it's the same, I mean doing the same thing, that's to say resolving  the relationship but not in the same way. I never said that. 

 

it's just a misunderstanding xD

I agree wih your post, I just was thinking in "something negative" and so I thought in connections with SS, so perhaps the NH is so boring I can not even think of a plot for that.


but I agree 99% of your post

[咲耶姫]

LOL NH/SS fans anticipating the soon to be release of Kizuna Books in France. I just saw some comments expecting the Love section to be about "Hinata is in love with Naruto" and "Sakura is in love with Sasuke". That's so funny. they will be sooo pissed when they will get their hands on thoses Kizuna Books. No Hinata in the Love part and Sakura there is more about Naruto/Sakura than Sakura/Sasuke. But they will never admit that they are pissed not seeing Hinata in the Love section, they will just shut their mouth about it, and do what they always do, that's to say, pretend nothing happened, it's their favorite activity when it comes to NS.

I so want someone to say to them that there is no "Hinata loves Naruto" and "Sakura loves Sasuke" in it but a "Naruto's dreams become Sakura's whish as well". 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 05 June 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[redrose3443]

LOL NH/SS fans anticipating the soon to be release of Kizuna Books in France. I just saw some comments expecting the Love section to be about "Hinata is in love with Naruto" and "Sakura is in love with Sasuke". That's so funny. they will be sooo pissed when they will get their hands on thoses Kizuna Books. No Hinata in the Love part and Sakura there is more about Naruto/Sakura than Sakura/Sasuke. But they will never admit that they are pissed not seeing Hinata in the Love section, they will just shut their mouth about it, and do what they always do, that's to say, pretend nothing happened, it's their favorite activity when it comes to NS.

I so want someone to say to them that there is no "Hinata loves Naruto" and "Sakura loves Sasuke" in it but a "Naruto's dreams become Sakura's whish as well". 

What are Kizuna books exactly?

[rocci]

If naruto think about Hinata to reject her or not, it will only make nh chance to become canon bigger than NS. Remember NS happen because naruto love sakura, making him think about another girl will never bring good to NS.

[tekopi]

If naruto think about Hinata to reject her or not, it will only make nh chance to become canon bigger than NS. Remember NS happen because naruto love sakura, making him think about another girl will never bring good to NS.

 

 

His head's already full with Sakura. From what I've read so far, he didn't have any moment that he thinks on her in that sense. If Hinata  happens to really confess in order to find her resolve of stepping up after all of this, I think Naruto will be a little caught off-guard as he never knows or even notice. The next will become blurry, it will be the end of NH or the beginning of it, we never knew what Kishi's plan, maybe he will twist it like 'obito > madara > kaguya' case. In a way, I support her if it was meant to make her to have a confidence and courage, but I do hope it won't be reciprocate, excluding all the facts about NS obvious hinting here and there. This is my own personal reference.

Edited by tekopi, 05 June 2014 - 09:12 AM.

[questdrivencollie]

So, question: Hinata's confession during the Pain arc--did Naruto even realize that that's what it was? Nothing more is said about it once it's all said and done. Neither is even shown thinking about it afterwards.

 

There was/is a lot of fanfare about that from NH fans, but it's been a long time and nothing seems to have come of it. Do they attribute this to bad writing on Kishi's part, or what?

Edited by questdrivencollie, 05 June 2014 - 09:24 AM.

[narusaku256]

So, question: Hinata's confession during the Pain arc--did Naruto even realize that that's what it was? Nothing more is said about it once it's all said and done. Neither is even shown thinking about it afterwards.

That's the exact reason why the chances of NH being canon diminish rapidly. Naruto didn't even think about it nor was it addressed. He has never looked at Hinata from that perspective, so how can he do that, all of a sudden?