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#2041 megi

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:23 PM

 

you know what's the point here? Even in the version of my country (italy), they've translated in this way "Forget the good-nothing....Find someone like your mother..." Even it isn't all wrong, that still leaves me a little puzzled O_o That translator is even a jap native speaker.

 

The thing is although they (other countries) probably have a native Japanese to help with the translation, the one that actually does the translating (and putting it on paper) is in fact not a native Japanese speaker. That is a problem.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:28 PM

the problem is those official translators are paid for doing well their jobs. I wonder they did this for making all this game of couples more uncertain and give an assist to NH fandom since I'm sure that they know that NH fandom is more popular in western side than in Japan.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:33 PM

the problem is those official translators are paid for doing well their jobs. I wonder they did this for making all this game of couples more uncertain and give an assist to NH fandom since I'm sure that they know that NH fandom is more popular in western side than in Japan.

It's the translator, funny is hwo he described the NH thing, he just put an image of Hinata, talked about her, and only one line about Naruto.
although i dont really care about Viz since in my country the translation is fine.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:35 PM

Thanks for the welcome! :)

 

So I responded to that person saying what you basicly said here, and all I got in return is this...

 

The only reason you're denying what's legit is because it isn't twisted to fit your pairing preference, but actually contradicts it. You're depending on some random person from a forum as a reliable source. Someone who isn't payed to do this, professionally. I'd rather believe the OFFICIAL release. Not a random fan/scanlation site.

 

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:41 PM

Thanks for the welcome! :)

 

So I responded to that person saying what you basicly said here, and all I got in return is this...

 

:lmao:

Oh well, he does have a point. If I were in the opposing fandom and couldn't speak Japanese, I would reply the same way........or maybe not. I think I would at least research on the dictionary word to word. 


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

Ignorance is bliss man.

 

But can someone help me out with my previous question

 

Did Tsuande say anything to Sakura about her (Sakura) having feelings for Naruto?



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

As a Native Japanese I'm pissed off that a licensed company has dared to twist Kishi's words, taking it for granted that the Western readers can't understand Japanese and making their own story. If all the Japanese mangakas hard work are going to be twisted by the licensed companies that translate and sell them, then I'd prefer that it never goes out of Japan in the first place.

 

Well this is the deal with language and cultural barriers. Sadly as an American, I get offended by the mass majority of fans in my own nation who take the "Our American Culture > Every other culture in the world" Really makes me irked when these people don't consider things in our nation aren't exactly the same in another. This is the deal why so many people hate Sakura or may not understand what is going on, they don't know the character type she is, but they just instead react to calling her an abusive girl because in the U.S. apparently any type of stuff like that is abuse. Things made in other nations aren't designed for this culture as one unaware of other cultures would initially approach. In this case, Naruto is based on Japanese and other eastern themes, the only real western theme I can see there, is practically the hokage monument imitating mt rushmore. Thats all.

 

Whats funny is an American series like Avatar: TLA was made based on eastern themes and people had no problem with that. I remember there being so many censorship issues with Dragonball Z and One Piece because of everything they showed. The only  eastern symbol I can think of which was changed for well historical reasons is a certain symbol which rests on Neji's head, due to what happened 70 years ago, aka dark history time for Europe that caused a lot of horror,this is why that symbol on Neji's head is an X almost anywhere else.

 

But I'd rather trust those fluent with it or with the subs once they come out. The whole deal with "don't fall for the first one you see" well if they really did it on biased stuff, well they are going to be in for a shocker since there is still nothing advocating Hinata like Kushina, yet there is plenty for this with Sakura, even before Minato drew the similarity. Other times it can just be filler dialogue but its just really really bad if this is what they do. I mean phrases deybyatto, no literal translation, this is why they gave him the believe it in the English dub anime but it died after the chunin exams a little afterwards, so he has no real phrase after this in the Eng dub. Sakura still has cha but that's because shannaro meant hell or f-yeah.

 

Deal is, its a shame in this case where the intial themes or dialouge is twisted just to say further sales. I don't really would go the full mile of calling it a conspiracy but maybe other times, they feel this must sound better, sometimes its a matter of tone and context, but in this case, it would still be wrong. Mainly just due to what we have seen in the story, Sakura=Kushina, Hinata does not = Kushina, we have a lot advocating Sakura and not Hinata, so if it was baised shame on the people who allowed this, otherwise it was just a dumb move. But its also one other thing, there are a few styles of Japanse just like there are a few styles of Germanic language, in fact even english has old english and modern english. Translations can be an issue no matter what due to languages having different alphabets too.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

Thanks for the welcome! :)

 

So I responded to that person saying what you basicly said here, and all I got in return is this...

 

:lmao:

If you used what i said then yeah you would get a response like this, because i wasn't 100% about some of the things i said.

 

That being said, if you are  NS support it is hard times right now due to being constantly force fed NH "logic" so to speak.

 

Best solution? ignore them and just stay here, we have japaneese translators here who are actally unbais even though they support NS :smug:


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:47 PM

Ignorance is bliss man.

 

But can someone help me out with my previous question

 

Did Tsuande say anything to Sakura about her (Sakura) having feelings for Naruto?

 

Hm. I don't think she ever has. Maybe I remember her thinking about it but I don't think Tsunade has ever said anything like that to Sakura.

 

Tsunade's intro to their dynamic was that Naruto was sensitive enough to leave Sakura alone with Sasuke once he woke up. Tsunade knows Naruto loves Sakura but I don't remember her mentioning the other way around. Hopefully it will happen  :happy:


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:48 PM

Thanks for the welcome! :)

 

So I responded to that person saying what you basicly said here, and all I got in return is this...

 

:lmao:

Typical NH everyone was doubting what those translators on NF were saying about the Movie only to be shocked when they find out that what they said was actually truth that forced them know to say that the movie is just fillers, even when it's truth that movies are only fillers not too long ago they were saying that this is how Kishimoto is going to end NS for good.

So this kind of lead me to believe that NH only cling on what help their pairing why they ignore everything else no a days NS does not have enough drama that is why the pairing will never be cannon, another sign of why NH and SS desperate clings on stuff that favor their choice while ignoring everything else.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:55 PM

 

something like that has been translated by your country's version. especially about the first sentence they have translated in this way: " Don't fall for the first girl..." :/

 

Btw I don't give about that...We're the underdogs in this world, the only who is at our side is Kishimoto, no less... :hm:

Yeah it said something like "don't fall for the first girl to come your way"

 

First person though to come TO Naruto and confess was Hinata so....



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:16 PM

All to true. At least he is polite about it. There are several people on mangafox that literly insult Sakura/Narusaku fans. I sugest for people to stay awy from that forum.

 

In haste I recently created a image with Kushina's words to Naruto and Minato's words to Sakura, and declaring NS canon. In my haste (and joy :D) I did it before really thinking about it, and seeing that while NS has the best points for now, it's still not officialy canon. Anyway you can see it here, and also the discusion I have with the other person. Maybe you can join if you want it. :)

 

http://hallow89.devi...set=25#comments

 

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:39 PM

All to true. At least he is polite about it. There are several people on mangafox that literly insult Sakura/Narusaku fans. I sugest for people to stay awy from that forum.

 

In haste I recently created a image with Kushina's words to Naruto and Minato's words to Sakura, and declaring NS canon. In my haste (and joy :D) I did it before really thinking about it, and seeing that while NS has the best points for now, it's still not officialy canon. Anyway you can see it here, and also the discusion I have with the other person. Maybe you can join if you want it. :)

 

http://hallow89.devi...set=25#comments

 

And yes I am a NS fan! :)

 

Mangafox is not the only forum that insults Sakura/NS fans. You have other forums such as OneManga as well. NH are sticking to the scene where Naruto said that she has always been by his side. Naruto as yet to feel attractive toward Hinata. Lol. it makes me want to rip my hair off my scalp everytime Kishi adds Hinata's character into the scene. All she ever thinks about is naruto-kun this... Naruto-kun that. For once in her life, can't she think of something else i Naruto presence :hm:   


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:47 PM

Welcome, Milan Kyuubi :D

 

I'll be honest with you, I can't debate NH anymore, because honestly, 631 is literally the answer to everything they can bring up. Call me bias, but that's how I truly feels. Debating SS is a bit different because it's all about where at one point Sakura is changing her feelings, though it's obvious, but once that's clear, yeah, have a nice tea. But really, that's pretty much end of the line because remember, Naruto was challenged by fans if he was really changing his feelings for Hinata, regardless if there's no sign of him loving her. That said when 631 was released the world exploded, because not only Naruto reassured his feelings, but the parallel confirmation proved that parallel is a huge deal. People got the message from RtN, ignored it. Mario was a flag, ignored it though growing concerned. 631 was the bomb. So now, all those moments that she wanted it are done. I wish I could argue but yeah, just say 631 and if they deny it, just drink tea. :happy:



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:48 PM

each english forum insult and bash Sakura...


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:56 PM

each english forum insult and bash Sakura...

It's sad really...



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:58 PM

well, even foreign forums also do that :S

 

I dare to say that it's even worse on italian forums... Poor Sakura, italians don't really like her :down:


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#2058 milan kyuubi

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:59 PM

I hope Naruto's toad (I can't spell his name) will tease Naruto again with Sakura being his girlfriend. :D Would love to see Sakura's rection, and Hinata's to. :D

 

Welcome, Milan Kyuubi :D

 

I'll be honest with you, I can't debate NH anymore, because honestly, 631 is literally the answer to everything they can bring up. Call me bias, but that's how I truly feels. Debating SS is a bit different because it's all about where at one point Sakura is changing her feelings, though it's obvious, but once that's clear, yeah, have a nice tea. But really, that's pretty much end of the line because remember, Naruto was challenged by fans if he was really changing his feelings for Hinata, regardless if there's no sign of him loving her. That said when 631 was released the world exploded, because not only Naruto reassured his feelings, but the parallel confirmation proved that parallel is a huge deal. People got the message from RtN, ignored it. Mario was a flag, ignored it though growing concerned. 631 was the bomb. So now, all those moments that she wanted it are done. I wish I could argue but yeah, just say 631 and if they deny it, just drink tea. :happy:

 

Hi! :D

 

I know what you mean. It's only after this last chapters that i decided to debate parings in Naruto again. Before that, it was a long time since I did it.

 

each english forum insult and bash Sakura...

Not all. Animesuki is pretty good one...

 

http://forums.animesuki.com/


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:13 PM

well, that's just a drop in an ocean sadly...


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:14 PM

Hi everyone! :) It's nice to find a place that is free from  Sakura haters. I lurked for some time here, and I like that while you do like Sakura, you don't ignore her bad traits.

 

I wanted to share a post I saw on DA and see your opinion on it. :)

 

 

So whats your opinion on this? Especially the part that Kushina words were not translated as we thought.

 

The problem here is that Minato confirmed Kushina=Sakura so that argument is invalid and also I never pay attention to Viz translation they only make it look like its leaning towards NH to attract the fans since a lot of the western fans are supporting NH. 


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