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[FireFox]

Chapter 615. I still can't get over it. 

Ok the answer is simple have you seen Naruto act around Hinata like he is with Sakura ? I mean blushing at her , calling her on a date being in awe by her and her power being love struck by Hinata saying to his father that she's more or less his girlfriend ? The answer is a big NO when Naruto loves someone he will show it clearly he doesn't hide it the way he acts with Hinata is no different then how he acts with the rest of his friends even in 615 Naruto didn't took that as "romantic" and he didn't single Hinata out so there is that no need to worry at all if its anything clear in this manga then that's Naruto's feeling for Sakura .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 04 June 2014 - 09:48 PM.

[Gojira]

Ok, in what area you like me to challenge? I'm up for it.

For me it's not so much a problem but Hinata making Naruto her goal to accomplish more than once and promising herself that she will be with Naruto after the war. I get there 'a several logical reasons why that still won't work (aside from Naruto just not seeing Hinata in a romantic light) but it just bothers me that Kishi has chose to emphasizes this as oppose to another goal she could have (like leading her clan) and then follow up said moment by passing up on a prime moment by having an NS hint instead following it up with Sakura thinking about Naruto in as much of a platonic light as everyone else except Ofcourse for Hinata

Again I know NH has no chance of happening it's just kind of confusing that Kishi constantly throws bones to all the NH fans right before announcing what the endgame pairing really is through Minato.

[TrueSacrifice]

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First of all Hinata has never stated that her goal is to be Naruto's wife or even his girlfriend. 

 

Second of all even if that is her goal what should it matter? Hinata is a side character and as many posters have already mentioned she doesn't really think about Naruto's feelings or his dreams. She doesn't deserve him no matter what NH fans think.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Most likely because it's all coming to an end and the best to give the satisfaction is the dream sequence. I mean Kishi could have skipped it but it is satisfying to certain fandom as well as fun to look at. There are times that if the writer wants to make it serious, you can't let it degrade to the same level as others, but he did it and it's pretty much hard to bounce back now. Again, Kishi doesn't need to do it, but he did because this is the end of the line. When it comes down to it, there's no more left to say for others, which is funny because it makes you think that's the reason why we left out others to see their dreams, namely Sai.

Again, 615 was the last chapter that have them interacted and pretty much ended it. We never really moved on more than it is today, because well, Kishi is done. Takes two to tango and Hinata is alone to do so. People wonder what about Sakura. The answer is because her time was hold until now, where things matter the most. Yes, we have 631 and others, but that's because she's a main character that gets more privilege to show more factors than Hinata or any others. Now, all side characters are gone and we got the arc characters, referring to Edo Hokages. That said main characters are still there and the megaton is in bound. If there's anything you should learn is that the end is where the most points count. Pain Arc clearly showed that one.

Lastly, keep in mind that this is the first time that Naruto and Sakura are both conscious and in battle where their lives are on the line. Seriously. Minato is around. Perhaps Obito has something to say, especially since Black Zetsu established that he thought of Naruto as the future, so hinting that he will talk to Naruto one last time. This is extremely hard to bypass this for NH, so they have to rely heavily on SS, the irony. In due time, game will be set and there will be no more of it.

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@ns4life
Romance in naruto always favour NS. Even from chapter 3.

[Shashank95]

Seriously though Kishi needs to stop dragging this pairing fiasco and make a clear end game. He'll probably lose more readers trying to drag out the pairing dilema. I'm always for NS but Kishi needs to stop kittening around   

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@shashank
It will end in the next arc.

[Shashank95]

@shashank
It will end in the next arc.

I Seriously hope so. What if Naruto pulls out Hashirama's Senjutsu guys ??

I know he has all the elemental powers now but using the Shodai's sennin mode would be so awesome. Summoning that Thousand armed Buddha Statue to wreak havoc   

[咲耶姫]

Can someone please explain to me why you think NH is dead? because I still think it has a big chance of happening. I keep convincing myself by saying it's dead when it's actually not. I know NS is more developed an all but, still it wont stop Kishi from making NH canon. I'm VERY worried. Also, if NH happens SS will automatically happen as well.

NH is DEAD.

We say that because she was dreaming of being with Naruto on chapter 678. And all the dreams we have seen were impossible dreams. There was not even one dream that was reachable. Hinata is no exception, NO exception. Kishimoto putted her dream at the same level as Ino's love for Sai and Sasuke and Lee's love for Sakura.

Do you think Lee has a chance to end up with Sakura? No, so why Hinata would be an exception? Just because she's princess Hinata, she would have the benefit to have her Naruto-kun, while Lee can't get his Sakura, Kiba can't be the Hokage, Tsunade can't see her beloved ones alive, Gaara can't have a happy family with his parents alive. You get what I mean, her dream was represented among the unreachable ones, and thinking she could be an exception, the only one who could get what she wants is just bullsh*t. Thinking that way is having a very Hinata centric mind. 

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First of all Hinata has never stated that her goal is to be Naruto's wife or even his girlfriend. 

 

Second of all even if that is her goal what should it matter? Hinata is a side character and as many posters have already mentioned she doesn't really think about Naruto's feelings or his dreams. She doesn't deserve him no matter what NH fans think.

Yes she did, 573 was meant to be taken romantically, her dream in 678 proved that her goal is to be with Naruto romantically. But you're right, it doesn't matter, the only thing that matter is Naruto's feelings, she can whish as much as she want to be with him, as long as he will still love Sakura and see her, Hinata, as a friend, she will never have what she wants.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 05 June 2014 - 05:47 AM.

[Gojira]

I'm still curious why Kishi went through the trouble of building on Hinata's determination to be with Naruto romantically several times if he was just going to end up with her by herself, he could have just started building on her feelings being more platonic in nature or focus more on other things like trying to get recognition from people other than him or succeeding in the clan (which hasn't even been brought up since her near death experience by her own cousin)

[questdrivencollie]

I'm still curious why Kishi went through the trouble of building on Hinata's determination to be with Naruto romantically several times if he was just going to end up with her by herself, he could have just started building on her feelings being more platonic in nature or focus more on other things like trying to get recognition from people other than him or succeeding in the clan (which hasn't even been brought up since her near death experience by her own cousin)

I'm kinda hoping that in the end she'll see that Naruto's not interested in her in that way, and move on. If she comes to realize she hadn't considered Naruto's feelings before...well, I think that could be good character development. (Something she's had barely anything of since part 1.)

 

I actually like Hinata, though she's not one of my favorite characters. 

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@pepsi
She's the star of her team, just like shikamaru and lee are the star of their team.
Her character is already doom from the beginning. She will never get her wish no matter how much her developement since naruto already dead set with sakura, unless naruto doesn't love anyone or he has secret feeling to her from the start of manga.

[咲耶姫]

I'm still curious why Kishi went through the trouble of building on Hinata's determination to be with Naruto romantically several times if he was just going to end up with her by herself, he could have just started building on her feelings being more platonic in nature or focus more on other things like trying to get recognition from people other than him or succeeding in the clan (which hasn't even been brought up since her near death experience by her own cousin)

But it goes both ways, you could also wonder why Kishi made a build-up of Sakura's feelings on earlier part 2, and even now on this war, if they are not meant to end up together. I get where you come from with this question, since I also have wondered about that several times, but I think there is a thing that can be taken in this problem, Hinata was brought up only once in the whole Part 2, her confession, after that and before that we never heard of her until War Arc, the last one, or at least the last in which the rookies can shine. So don't you think there could be a link between the fact that it's the end of minor character and the fact that there is a rush of Hinata's feelings? Like Kishi could put an end to NH at the end of the Arc, and thus explaining the emphasis on her feelings, a build up to that moment in which it's gonna die. Maybe a rejection from Naruto or even Hinata realizing herself what needs to be understood.

I have hope (maybe too high) that Hinata could realize how selfish she has been about Naruto and how selfish her love for him is. 

Do you have the same hope?

@pepsi
She's the star of her team, just like shikamaru and lee are the star of their team.
Her character is already doom from the beginning. She will never get her wish no matter how much her developement since naruto already dead set with sakura, unless naruto doesn't love anyone or he has secret feeling to her from the start of manga.

I don't think Lee is the star of his team, I think Lee and Neji are both the star of their team. But aside from it, I agree that Shikamaru and Hinata are the star of their teams. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 05 June 2014 - 02:50 AM.

[Gojira]

But it goes both ways, you could also wonder why Kishi made a build-up of Sakura's feelings on earlier part 2, and even now on this war, if they are not meant to end up together. I get where you come from with this question, since I also have wondered about that several times, but I think there is a thing that can be taken in this problem, Hinata was brought up only once in the whole Part 2, her confession, after that and before that we never hear of her until War Arc, the last one, or at least the last in chich the rookies can shine. So don't you think there could be a link between the fact that it's the end of minor character and the fact that there is a rush of Hinata's feelings? Like Kishi could put an end to NH at the end of the Arc, and thus explaining the emphasis on her feelings, a build up to that moment in which it's gona die.Maybe a rejection from Naruto or even Hinata realizing herself what needs to be understood.
I have hope (maybe too high) that Hinata could realize how selfish she has been about Naruto and how selfish her love for him is. 
Do you have the same hope?

I do. But I think despite wanting to be with Naruto she herself is aware of NS after the hug and seems happy for them, Ofcourse later she decides not to give up on being with a couple hundred chapters later but whatever.

I don't know what Kishi's deal is, his whole schtick with romance subplots seems to be to make super confusing and inconsistent so people won't expect the end result as much but the problem is that it's more bittersweet because even though we've reached a satisfying conclusion we still have all that tangled up confusing mess in the middle that's still just sort of there.

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I believe Hinata living in denial that naruto never love any girl and her "...." in 450 isn't happiness but more like her disbelief that sakura will hug naruto. Ofc it's just a possibility and I don't think kishi will do that since it almost the same with killing her character.

[Iwantbuns]

I'm still curious why Kishi went through the trouble of building on Hinata's determination to be with Naruto romantically several times if he was just going to end up with her by herself, he could have just started building on her feelings being more platonic in nature or focus more on other things like trying to get recognition from people other than him or succeeding in the clan (which hasn't even been brought up since her near death experience by her own cousin)

 

I really do think Kishimoto sort of lost Hinata's character slightly. I'd like to see more self build up on her side, that doesn't include Naruto. It's what sets Sakura apart from Hinata. They're both dependent in many ways, but Sakura actually makes a better effort to improve herself by her own will. Not just by relying on a person's example. She strives on protecting her friends and not being a burden. Hinata has those aspects too, but Kishi sort of ruins it by making her whole character start to revolve around Naruto and Naruto only. I feel like Hinata's admiration for Naruto grew a LOT, but she still doesn't really know him, and what he really goes through. 

 

And the reason it's not platonic, is because Hinata firmly believes that she is in love with him, but doesn't really ever start to consider Naruto's view on all of it. We know it's unintentional of her, but it's actually kind of selfish. I think once she and Naruto actually get to talk things through, she'll probably come to her senses, and realize - 'Wait. This is Naruto. I was so ready to be with him, but now I'm totally freaking out.' And Naruto will then probably treat her the way he always treats her, but also be aware of her feelings for him.

 

In a way I think they could actually work it out and be good friends - which is actually a much better position for Hinata then before, and frankly I think that's all she wanted; to be closer to and be acknowledged by her role model and actually carry a conversation more easily with the guy she's loved forever. Their relationship would greatly improve and it would not have to be romantic.

[咲耶姫]

I do. But I think despite wanting to be with Naruto she herself is aware of NS after the hug and seems happy for them, Ofcourse later she decides not to give up on being with a couple hundred chapters later but whatever.

I don't know what Kishi's deal is, his whole schtick with romance subplots seems to be to make super confusing and inconsistent so people won't expect the end result as much but the problem is that it's more bittersweet because even though we've reached a satisfying conclusion we still have all that tangled up confusing mess in the middle that's still just sort of there.

I also thought she was aware of NS after the hug, but to me, her whish to be with Naruto proves that she was just smiling to see him alive in 450.

 

I so agree, the romance subplot is so wrongly dealt with. And there is one thing that is bothering me to no end, it's the fact that Kishi has not shown yet ONE hint of NH dying, like he's doing with SS. You see I'm not talking about story plot hint like the dream, I'm talking about hint from the characters themselves, like Naruto thinking about Hinata's feelings, feeling guilty or whatever feeling about it, or Hinata noticing Naruto's love for Sakura, or at least some sign of affection towards Sakura. You see what I mean, there is no negative moment like SS is dealing with at the current time.

And what is bothering me the most is that I'm sure it's because of the super popularity of NH in Occident, I'm sure he's trying to end it without damage because of the crazy NH fans who could stop buying just because of NH not happening, while in reality, most of them don't buy the manga, or because of crazy death threating mail from thoses crazy NH fans. So that's why he's slowly killing it, but he doesn't get that it's making his romance subplot inconsistent.

[Shashank95]

But it goes both ways, you could also wonder why Kishi made a build-up of Sakura's feelings on earlier part 2, and even now on this war, if they are not meant to end up together. I get where you come from with this question, since I also have wondered about that several times, but I think there is a thing that can be taken in this problem, Hinata was brought up only once in the whole Part 2, her confession, after that and before that we never heard of her until War Arc, the last one, or at least the last in which the rookies can shine. So don't you think there could be a link between the fact that it's the end of minor character and the fact that there is a rush of Hinata's feelings? Like Kishi could put an end to NH at the end of the Arc, and thus explaining the emphasis on her feelings, a build up to that moment in which it's gonna die. Maybe a rejection from Naruto or even Hinata realizing herself what needs to be understood.

I have hope (maybe too high) that Hinata could realize how selfish she has been about Naruto and how selfish her love for him is. 

Do you have the same hope?

 

I don't think Lee is the star of his team, I think Lee and Neji are both the star of their team. But aside from it, I agree that Shikamaru and Hinata are the star of their teams. 

Lee could have been such a badass character but Kishi didn't give him screen time 

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Lee could have been such a badass character but Kishi didn't give him screen time 

No conflict no screen time.

[Gojira]

I also thought she was aware of NS after the hug, but to me, her whish to be with Naruto proves that she was just smiling to see him alive in 450.
 
I so agree, the romance subplot is so wrongly dealt with. And there is one thing that is bothering me to no end, it's the fact that Kishi has not shown yet ONE hint of NH dying, like he's doing with SS. You see I'm not talking about story plot hint like the dream, I'm talking about hint from the characters themselves, like Naruto thinking about Hinata's feelings, feeling guilty or whatever feeling about it, or Hinata noticing Naruto's love for Sakura, or at least some sign of affection towards Sakura. You see what I mean, there is no negative moment like SS is dealing with at the current time.
And what is bothering me the most is that I'm sure it's because of the super popularity of NH in Occident, I'm sure he's trying to end it without damage because of the crazy NH fans who could stop buying just because of NH not happening, while in reality, most of them don't buy the manga, or because of crazy death threating mail from thoses crazy NH fans. So that's why he's slowly killing it, but he doesn't get that it's making his romance subplot inconsistent.

Yeah this happened with Sakura as well.