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#2001 FoolishYoungling

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:30 AM

I made a mistake. Decided to comment on a post about some guy saying he only watched Naruto because he is waiting for NaruHina. I told him that it was not something he needs to be so highly hoping for. He went on to tell me the Lee spinoff was proof it would happen. Here is one of his many comments to me:

 

"coming from a guy who i wouldn't trust as far as i could lift i don't care what YOUR opinion is because unless you're a future reading person kishimoto can do whatever he wants, even if it is utter fuckery and idiocy, so i know for DAMN sure lee's series is completely made with kishi's influence and we debate retarded sh*t to dust in our anime group... how about YOU realize anime is always up for change and unpredictable... you dunno crap but the support for naruhina your blind to is there..."

 

He even told me Sakura was weak because even if she surpassed Tsunade, Tsunade couldn't beat Madara, so she is weak. Just... why? Isn't lying to yourself a bad habit? :arg: His excuse for why NaruHina had to happen was because the Narutoverse was running out of byukugans, and Naruto needed to help make more. Just... I'm done. Never again. Never replying to Youtube comments about pairings again.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:43 AM

I made a mistake. Decided to comment on a post about some guy saying he only watched Naruto because he is waiting for NaruHina. I told him that it was not something he needs to be so highly hoping for. He went on to tell me the Lee spinoff was proof it would happen. Here is one of his many comments to me:

 

"coming from a guy who i wouldn't trust as far as i could lift i don't care what YOUR opinion is because unless you're a future reading person kishimoto can do whatever he wants, even if it is utter kitteny and idiocy, so i know for DAMN sure lee's series is completely made with kishi's influence and we debate retarded kitten to dust in our anime group... how about YOU realize anime is always up for change and unpredictable... you dunno crap but the support for naruhina your blind to is there..."

 

He even told me Sakura was weak because even if she surpassed Tsunade, Tsunade couldn't beat Madara, so she is weak. Just... why? Isn't lying to yourself a bad habit? :arg: His excuse for why NaruHina had to happen was because the Narutoverse was running out of byukugans, and Naruto needed to help make more. Just... I'm done. Never again. Never replying to Youtube comments about pairings again.

While I do understand what you mean, I admit I laughed because if you want to be stronger than a strong character, that character must at least defeat a SSS-rank enemy. I mean ok, that doesn't mean anyone like Iruka is excuse from what I just said, but Tsunade is one of the character that actually held up well with Madara. She wasn't winning alone, but she sure lived long enough to reach another page. Running out of byukugans? What? They seem great to me. It's Uchiha that is endangered. And SD? Yeah, they are all about poking fun, so why not. Oh well, it's over. :lol:



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:46 AM

While I do understand what you mean, I admit I laughed because if you want to be stronger than a strong character, that character must at least defeat a SSS-rank enemy. I mean ok, that doesn't mean anyone like Iruka is excuse from what I just said, but Tsunade is one of the character that actually held up well with Madara. She wasn't winning alone, but she sure lived long enough to reach another page. Running out of byukugans? What? They seem great to me. It's Uchiha that is endangered. And SD? Yeah, they are all about poking fun, so why not. Oh well, it's over. :lol:

 

Funny thing about it is that after I told him about Road to Ninja he told me anime didn't even count. So I told him he had to make up his mind. Then he replied to me 8 times back to back, but I haven't replied to an of them. He is mad. :(

 

One of his 8 replies was that the "more or less my girlfriend" comment really meant "hehe, not really". What in the.... :wot:


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:56 AM

 

Funny thing about it is that after I told him about Road to Ninja he told me anime didn't even count. So I told him he had to make up his mind. Then he replied to me 8 times back to back, but I haven't replied to an of them. He is mad. :(

 

One of his 8 replies was that the "more or less my girlfriend" comment really meant "hehe, not really". What in the.... :wot:

Your sig does NOT approve that comment. That's all need to be said.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:08 AM

Your sig does NOT approve that comment. That's all need to be said.

 

He now told me that Naruto doesn't understand love. I replied with a comment about the POAL. Whatever he says back, I don't even care. He'll say he won, but whatever. Not worth my time.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:10 AM

 

He now told me that Naruto doesn't understand love. I replied with a comment about the POAL. Whatever he says back, I don't even care. He'll say he won, but whatever. Not worth my time.

Don't worry about it. Can't say you didn't warn him.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:45 AM

Don't worry about it. Can't say you didn't warn him.

 

Yeah, just got done from finishing a quick online game of Madden and I have 12 messages from him. Opened 3, but I'm not reading the rest. He isn't even using logic, and he loves insulting me for no reason. I don't get why NaruHina fans won't let me have friendly conversations with them. :arg:


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:46 AM

 

Yeah, just got done from finishing a quick online game of Madden and I have 12 messages from him. Opened 3, but I'm not reading the rest. He isn't even using logic, and he loves insulting me for no reason. I don't get why NaruHina fans won't let me have friendly conversations with them. :arg:

Well, you just got the wrong one. I know not everyone are like that. It's just that you got to get lucky with that.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:50 AM

Well, you just got the wrong one. I know not everyone are like that. It's just that you got to get lucky with that.

 

Yeah, I know. Hard to find NaruHina fans who are proud of Sakura's development. I mean, I like Hinata's development. Why can't they like it when Sakura gets hers? Ya know. I guess Sakura development leads to overcoming her childish crush with Sasuke and making NaruSaku canon so the majority of them GOT to bash her for no reason to keep their hopes up.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:52 AM

 

Yeah, I know. Hard to find NaruHina fans who are proud of Sakura's development. I mean, I like Hinata's development. Why can't they like it when Sakura gets hers? Ya know. I guess Sakura development leads to overcoming her childish crush with Sasuke and making NaruSaku canon so the majority of them GOT to bash her for no reason to keep their hopes up.

Yeah, makes me wish that crimson person was real, rather than a "bunshin". Lol. But yeah, good luck with that. Don't feel bad about it though. It takes time.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:39 AM

I still think NS needs to move from caring/love to romantic love (actually having the two of them be romantic with each other), otherwise it won't feel convincing enough if they don't show they are physically/romantically involved.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:50 AM

 

He now told me that Naruto doesn't understand love. I replied with a comment about the POAL. Whatever he says back, I don't even care. He'll say he won, but whatever. Not worth my time.

 

Love - a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person; a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection

 

How are Naruto's personality and actions when he is in the same area as Sakura not indicative of this textbook definition of love? Whenever he is interacting with Sakura he expresses a profoundly soft-hearted, ungrudging demeanour that has never been provided to any other character in this manga from him. Sakura reciprocates those uncommon sentiments with a deeply concerned and cherishing personality of her own; some of her expressions of happiness are provided exclusively to the person whom she likes/loves if Sai's words hold weight. Even though they may hold the other person close to their hearts they do have their multifaceted goals in life. They're not consumed with such overbearing thoughts on their selective image of the other person that they lose all focus of the other people and events in their lives. But when they do think about the other person they consider all of their qualities, both the positive and negative ones, and they choose to remain by each other's side because they are able to look past their imperfections.

 

How would Naruto's infrequent communication with Hinata detail a greater level of personal understanding or romantic endearment from Naruto? Yes, on several layers Hinata's actions and thoughts would consistently match that criteria but when you consider her lack of understanding or acknowledgement for Naruto's personal conflicts or even his relationships with other characters in general it depicts a girl with such a massive disconnection from her crush's life that you begin to question why she would even have those sorts of thoughts relating to him. Oh, but Hinata is so fixated on what little of his character that she chooses to acknowledge that she even fails to provide much thought to her other ambitions in life or the people who have more direct involvement in her day-to-day activities like her teammates and family.

 

How is the latter supposed to represent a superior concept of love when it is riddled with single-minded obsessions that inhibit your ability to even think about the well being of the people who actually love you? There isn't even an understanding of Naruto's entire character, only what Hinata selectively decides to fabricate his personality around exclusively. Hinata's vacant expressions and detachment from the rookies as they gathered around Sasuke, someone who is very personally involved in Naruto's life, is a perfect indication of how well she truly understands Naruto's life which is nonexistent.

 

Naruto and Sakura both have such an intense, heart-felt understanding of each other that they do not even require spoken words to understand what the other's intentions are. They have stood by each other's side for years now and have experienced just about every conceivable emotion that two individuals can feel together. Their actions and intentions are selflessly motivated because they place the happiness of the other person above their own. Furthermore, as it was hinted previously, you can infer from their personal interactions that they are happiest when they have each other's company.

 

Considering all of the above, I have to ask again why anyone would believe that Hinata's infatuation with Naruto is any more pure or comprehensive than Sakura's relationship with him.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:20 AM

 

Love - a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person; a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection

 

How are Naruto's personality and actions when he is in the same area as Sakura not indicative of this textbook definition of love? Whenever he is interacting with Sakura he expresses a profoundly soft-hearted, ungrudging demeanour that has never been provided to any other character in this manga from him. Sakura reciprocates those uncommon sentiments with a deeply concerned and cherishing personality of her own; some of her expressions of happiness are provided exclusively to the person whom she likes/loves if Sai's words hold weight. Even though they may hold the other person close to their hearts they do have their multifaceted goals in life. They're not consumed with such overbearing thoughts on their selective image of the other person that they lose all focus of the other people and events in their lives. But when they do think about the other person they consider all of their qualities, both the positive and negative ones, and they choose to remain by each other's side because they are able to look past their imperfections.

 

How would Naruto's infrequent communication with Hinata detail a greater level of personal understanding or romantic endearment from Naruto? Yes, on several layers Hinata's actions and thoughts would consistently match that criteria but when you consider her lack of understanding or acknowledgement for Naruto's personal conflicts or even his relationships with other characters in general it depicts a girl with such a massive disconnection from her crush's life that you begin to question why she would even have those sorts of thoughts relating to him. Oh, but Hinata is so fixated on what little of his character that she chooses to acknowledge that she even fails to provide much thought to her other ambitions in life or the people who have more direct involvement in her day-to-day activities like her teammates and family.

 

How is the latter supposed to represent a superior concept of love when it is riddled with single-minded obsessions that inhibit your ability to even think about the well being of the people who actually love you? There isn't even an understanding of Naruto's entire character, only what Hinata selectively decides to fabricate his personality around exclusively. Hinata's vacant expressions and detachment from the rookies as they gathered around Sasuke, someone who is very personally involved in Naruto's life, is a perfect indication of how well she truly understands Naruto's life which is nonexistent.

 

Naruto and Sakura both have such an intense, heart-felt understanding of each other that they do not even require spoken words to understand what the other's intentions are. They have stood by each other's side for years now and have experienced just about every conceivable emotion that two individuals can feel together. Their actions and intentions are selflessly motivated because they place the happiness of the other person above their own. Furthermore, as it was hinted previously, you can infer from their personal interactions that they are happiest when they have each other's company.

 

Considering all of the above, I have to ask again why anyone would believe that Hinata's infatuation with Naruto is any more pure or comprehensive than Sakura's relationship with him.

Great post

 

I wasn't implying at all that Hinata's version of love is anyway better because it isn't at all.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:30 AM

Great post

 

I wasn't implying at all that Hinata's version of love is anyway better because it isn't at all.

 

Thank you. I know what you meant. That was directed towards the person who believed that the Lee spinoff held validity and was arguing that Naruto doesn't understand what love is.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:44 AM

 

Only did this though cause this was someone who constantly pestered a friend and other NS fans on Deviantart. This friend was simply speaking her mind about how she had issues with Hinata being 1 dimensional in her own opinion, then we got this guy with a superiority/inferiority complex. Not really on for arguing about this stuff but this was a deal where it was a fan who tries to turn something with criticism on Hinata into unintended flame wars by starting to rant on others and saying they are stupid just for liking Sakura. But there is a difference in one case though I see many people here do, they act fair and learn a lot about Hinata, so I wouldn't call us fully baised, There have been plenty of arguments and good reasoning on Hinata's actions and character on this site, not bashing. One reason I love this site, we know Sakura's flaws, we know NS flaws, and we learn about the NH argument (the logical aspects for it, basically treating it with reason from the manga like we do with NS).

Bolded  :smile: 

Well, come to think of it, I'm starting to identify what are the other flaws of NS.   Honestly, I only know some, but I'm not fully aware of all of the flaws.   :confused:  After reading this whole thread, I found a lot of details and info that are pro NS, and I guess it will also be great if we are able to identify the cons (flaws) too.  Well, I don't know if there are also some people here that are like me, but please, can someone identify those flaws? Thanks guys!  Maybe if posted, those flaws may serve as an update or recap for our ship.

Whew, bracing myself now ...  :wacko:



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:47 AM

Bolded  :smile: 

Well, come to think of it, I'm starting to identify what are the other flaws of NS.   Honestly, I only know some, but I'm not fully aware of all of the flaws.   :confused:  After reading this whole thread, I found a lot of details and info that are pro NS, and I guess it will also be great if we are able to identify the cons (flaws) too.  Well, I don't know if there are also some people here that are like me, but please, can someone identify those flaws? Thanks guys!  Maybe if posted, those flaws may serve as an update or recap for our ship.

Whew, bracing myself now ...  :wacko:

Biggest flaw is Sasuke for both Naruto and Sakura. He's the one stopping NS


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:08 AM

Biggest flaw is Sasuke for both Naruto and Sakura. He's the one stopping NS


Just what I suspected.  Well, sorry for asking the obvious because I thought there's more :sweatdrop:  Well, it seems like he's just really the center of the flaw after all. :yes:  

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:11 AM

Biggest flaw is Sasuke for both Naruto and Sakura. He's the one stopping NS

 

If he is the biggest flaw then there really isn't any cause he is no flaw at all




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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:31 AM

 

If he is the biggest flaw then there really isn't any cause he is no flaw at all

Well, Sasuke is stoppping Naruto from confessing

 

Sakura has feelings to resolve with him

 

He's a flaw


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:37 AM

for him to be a flaw he would need to have some feelings for Sakura apart from that of a former teammate, he has more feelings for Karin always has always will

 

even if you aren't a SK shipper you have to see this

 

The only way he could ever be a flaw is if you seriously expect him to beat Naruto and claim Sakura as his "prize"

 

that ain't happening in a million years


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