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[naruto-z]

Nevertheless the ending was no doubt 100% NS and this along with the OVA has fans from a certain fandom on the edge and I'm not surprise.

I'd like to see some of their comments. It makes me feel better. Lol.

P.S. And next weeks chapter (finally) I feel like there's gonna be a huge narusaku moment coming in. WOOO!

Edited by naruto-z, 09 January 2011 - 02:28 PM.

[jason voorhees]

sont say to much Gravenimage@ you mite jynx us.

[ciardha]

^ 100% agree. Sasuke's gone mad + seems like it's only team Kakashi who still cares for Sasuke. I guess Kishi will probably kill him. :\

Somehow Kishimoto will resolve the Senju vs Uchiha conflict via Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke will either do the Darth Vader move and end up taking down Madara to save Naruto but be mortally wounded and refuse treatment- giving final words to resolve things with Team 7 and Team Taka too. Or Naruto and Sasuke will end up working together and take down Madara. Sasuke will be redeemed for Team 7 and he'll acknowledge the brother like bond with Naruto, but he'll refuse to return to Konoha and become a wanderer, likely with a restored Team Taka. Naruto will do what he can to get Sasuke's death warrant removed. These are the two most likely outcomes. There's a slight possibility Sasuke will die still evil, but Kishimoto keeps telling you Naruto will reach him, so it's pretty likely Sasuke will either do the "villain final heroic sacrifice" (My favorite version of that meme- the Comet Empire arc of "Star Blazers". First time I saw that meme play out, blew me away. Heh, pun.) or the Kenshin like meme where the hero who became a monster becomes a wanderer working back toward his redemption and his bond with Team Taka will be a key to that.

Naruto and Sakura will marry and have a family and Naruto will become Hokage.

[Blazing CobaltX]

Somehow Kishimoto will resolve the Senju vs Uchiha conflict via Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke will either do the Darth Vader move and end up taking down Madara to save Naruto but be mortally wounded and refuse treatment- giving final words to resolve things with Team 7 and Team Taka too. Or Naruto and Sasuke will end up working together and take down Madara. Sasuke will be redeemed for Team 7 and he'll acknowledge the brother like bond with Naruto, but he'll refuse to return to Konoha and become a wanderer, likely with a restored Team Taka. Naruto will do what he can to get Sasuke's death warrant removed. These are the two most likely outcomes. There's a slight possibility Sasuke will die still evil, but Kishimoto keeps telling you Naruto will reach him, so it's pretty likely Sasuke will either do the "villain final heroic sacrifice" (My favorite version of that meme- the Comet Empire arc of "Star Blazers". First time I saw that meme play out, blew me away. Heh, pun.) or the Kenshin like meme where the hero who became a monster becomes a wanderer working back toward his redemption and his bond with Team Taka will be a key to that.

Naruto and Sakura will marry and have a family and Naruto will become Hokage.

I think it will be the first one, it's more likely to happen that Sasuke will die saving Naruto.

[ahmed]

@Quinny52 Thanks alot
I realy love the anime more than that Kishi (in every Filler they do)
They made alot alot of awesome NaruSaku moments

Edited by ahmed, 09 January 2011 - 04:54 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

Somehow Kishimoto will resolve the Senju vs Uchiha conflict via Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke will either do the Darth Vader move and end up taking down Madara to save Naruto but be mortally wounded and refuse treatment- giving final words to resolve things with Team 7 and Team Taka too. Or Naruto and Sasuke will end up working together and take down Madara. Sasuke will be redeemed for Team 7 and he'll acknowledge the brother like bond with Naruto, but he'll refuse to return to Konoha and become a wanderer, likely with a restored Team Taka. Naruto will do what he can to get Sasuke's death warrant removed. These are the two most likely outcomes. There's a slight possibility Sasuke will die still evil, but Kishimoto keeps telling you Naruto will reach him, so it's pretty likely Sasuke will either do the "villain final heroic sacrifice" (My favorite version of that meme- the Comet Empire arc of "Star Blazers". First time I saw that meme play out, blew me away. Heh, pun.) or the Kenshin like meme where the hero who became a monster becomes a wanderer working back toward his redemption and his bond with Team Taka will be a key to that.

Naruto and Sakura will marry and have a family and Naruto will become Hokage.

I really have a problem with the idea of Sasuke either dying with redemption or becoming a wanderer as an alternative to his death. Not only do I think he will die as an evil bastard but I actually hope that he dies without regret of what he has done and zero signs of redemption. I don't think a character as unlikable as Sasuke should even have a chance of redemption because I believe that he doesn't deserve redemption one way or the other.


Out of all of Naruto's goals I hope that his goal to save Sasuke is the only one that he himself fails to accomplish. I'm fine with Naruto's philosophy about never giving up, keeping his promises, never going back on his words or even achieving his goals in life (becoming the Hokage, winning Sakura's heart (which he pretty much already has), etc.) but there are limitations. Sasuke has had many chances to see the error of his ways but he has never taken any of those chances whatsoever. All he cares about is getting revenge on the Hidden Leaf Village for his own selfish and arrogant reasons. He has never cared about any of his friends or allies and has only seen them as obstacles getting in his way of his vengeance (Team 7) or as easily expendable pawns to help him in his quest for revenge which he quickly discards when he feels that their usefulness has ran out and is no longer needed (Team Hebi/Taka).


Naruto's obsession with saving Sasuke is highly unreasonable and ridiculously illogical. He claims that Sasuke was the first person he ever had a bond with. Well from my observations that bond wasn't even a remotely healthy bond or any kind friendship connection whatsoever. Sasuke is a complete douche-bag that doesn't care about anyone or anything except for his clan and his thirst for vengeance. I think the only reason Naruto would befriend such an a**hole and even THINK OF or CLAIM that he's a good person who's misguided is out of sheer loneliness (do to his childhood of being treated like a pariah in his own village) and unwillingness to let go of the past.


I know Naruto considers Sasuke as his first real friend and as a brotherly figure but that doesn't justify Sasuke's heinous crimes at all or even one bit. Naruto doesn't understand that friends come and go ever periods of time and that sometimes even if you consider someone as a friend they might not feel the same way as you do and act like a complete kitten to you. If that person doesn't care about you and treat you like crap then this guy is can not even really be considered your friend. Naruto doesn't realize that Sasuke makes for a terrible friend and lousy excuse for a brotherly like figure. Shikamaru and Sai would make much better friends for Naruto than Sasuke. The same could be said for Konohamaru and Killer Bee in the sense that they would make much better brotherly figures to Naruto than Sasuke could ever hope to be yet Naruto himself doesn't realize this. Naruto would be better off if he let go of the past and moved on be stopping this wild goose chase with Sasuke.


That's probably the reason why Sakura tried to get Naruto to stop chasing after Sasuke by confessing her love to him in the first place. She feels guilty that she begged Naruto to bring Sasuke back which made Naruto make the "promise of a lifetime" (or "POAL" or whatever the hell that promise is called in the English Dub) that evidently cased Naruto pain and suffering through both physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. She's also concerned about Naruto's safety because since Sasuke is now working with the Akatsuki, it would be dangerous for Naruto to go after Sasuke because that would increase the risk of Naruto being captured and having his Tailed Beast being extracted ten fold. She doesn't want Naruto to risk his life to save Sasuke for her sake if it means that Naruto gets hurt and possibly dies in the process. It would be obvious that Sakura would be devastated if Naruto wear to ever die because she cares about and loves him so much that she would be hurt so greatly by the death of the one she cares about the most (*cough*cough* Naruto Uzumaki *cough*cough*).


Sakura may even feel guilty about having a fangirl crush on Sasuke in the first place which lead Naruto to believe that she still has feelings for Sasuke. She may still care for Sasuke as a friend and teammate, but she has clearly moved on from her crush on Sasuke. She wants to start a relationship with Naruto but feels guilty about that promise because Naruto was willing to do anything to save Sasuke for her sake (including Naruto letting Karui beat the crap out of him and practically sacrificing his dignity by begging the Raikage to forgive Sasuke and not kill him). All because he was stuck in the past and believed that Sakura still had a crush on Sasuke without realizing that Sakura had moved on from her romantic feelings for Sasuke possibly sometime during the time-skip.


And that's the reason why I think Sasuke will die as an evil person as he lived an evil person (remember that the Uchiha Clan Massacre screwed him up in the head, though it didn't eat away at his sanity much until his fight with Danzo and other recent events).

[jason voorhees]

The some point of the manga is never giveing up. its as simple as that. Sasuke being saved is all but 100% dead or alive. if it dosent were dose the story have a purpose to begin with

Edited by jason voorhees, 10 January 2011 - 12:11 AM.

[merryGOflava]

The some point of the manga is never giveing up. its as simple as that. Sasuke being saved is all but 100% dead or alive. if it dosent were dose the story have a purpose to begin with

yea i agree...i would like sasuke to get saved. i mean it would be a waste of time if he didnt!!. Naruto worked his butt off for it after all second i kinda of want sasuke to live and become a wanderer..that would mean all of team 7 lived in the end. it would be different from the other parallels all of them living! (but thats just me...) i know sasuke would never be welcomed back so a wanderer is a good back-up for him (if he doesnt die)

[theorangehokage]

yea i agree...i would like sasuke to get saved. i mean it would be a waste of time if he didnt!!. Naruto worked his butt off for it after all second i kinda of want sasuke to live and become a wanderer..that would mean all of team 7 lived in the end. it would be different from the other parallels all of them living! (but thats just me...) i know sasuke would never be welcomed back so a wanderer is a good back-up for him (if he doesnt die)

lol agreed.

lol agreed.

[K9ofChaos]

@jason vorhees+merryGOflava HOW DARE YOU TWO GUYS DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!!!!!!


Nah it's okay if you disagree with me (or anyone for the matter since you're entitled to you're opinion and all that stuff), I was just messing around with you guys.


Okay, back on topic. As for the whole "never giving up" and "the newer generation surpasses the older generation" themes, they are good morals to follow but I am a young man who is a devote follower of logic and reason. To be frank I really don't see the point in saving Sasuke and view it as nothing more than a waste of time on Naruto's part.


You see, Sasuke puts revenge before reason in almost every situation to the point where it's just sickening and gets annoying while Naruto at the same time puts honor before reason when it comes to his "ninja way" when it involves his promise to Sakura to bring Sasuke back plus his own desire to save Sasuke to the point where it just seems unresonable and illogical to even try to redeem Sasuke in the first place. What they have in common is that they put there own moral values (whether it be to honer an agreement by keeping a promise you made to someone or taking revenge on someone who has done wrong to you by your own hands for their injustice while gaining self-satisfaction for yourself on a personal level) before any logical or reasonable solution to a problem.


Those are the tropes known as "Honor Before Reason" and "Revenge Before Reason". I believe that these tropes are essentially "Good vs Evil" and "Order vs Chaos" without any logic or reason in the mix. If I wear to compare Naruto Uzumaki and Sasuke Uchiha to these tropes the this is how I think it would look like:

Naruto Uzumaki vs Sasuke Uchiha-Our two main combatants of this series

Good vs Evil-Naruto is obviously the good guy and Sasuke is most definitely the bad guy

Order vs Chaos-Naruto wants to achieve world peace (thus achieving order) but Sasuke wants to cause the destruction of the Leaf and see the objects of his revenge die (thus causing chaos)

Now to make a comparison between Naruto and Sasuke in the logic and reason department, we have:

Naruto-Who wants to keep his promise to save Sasuke due to a promise he made to a girl he likes (Sakura) and his so-called friendship with Sasuke even though he's refused on several occasions to stop his quest for vengeance and is an international criminal that all the Ninja villages want dead.

Sasuke-Who's obsession with revenge is the driving force of all his actions that leads him to the point where he picks a fight with Itachi even though he's nowhere near ready to face him off, having a temper tantrum when someone he perceives as weak shows signs of getting stronger, becoming a rouge ninja to get strong enough to kill Itachi and when he finally does, he sets his sights on the Leaf to avenge his clan.


What's common here is that despite the differences in morality, these two guys are so unreasonable and illogical with there motives and morals to the point where it's just getting more ridiculous than it needs to be. This is the exact reason why I wish/hope that Kishimoto creates a character that would be the foil to both Naruto and Sasuke. This character would be unshakable in his beliefs and would challenge both sides of any opposing factions. Whether they'd be good or evil/orderly or chaotic, He wouldn't care because he's a neutral guy that just does what he wants to do and just follows the path of logic and reason. He would be a carefree, easygoing, sarcastic outlaw that does smuggling and bounty hunting for a living but would not condone hurting innocent people that have done nothing wrong to deserve it. He would be a neutral party during the war and call out Naruto and Sasuke whenever they put there morals before reason and make valid points on why they're goals are illogical and unreasonable.


So in conclusion, Naruto puts honor before reason, Sasuke puts revenge before reason, and I wish there was a character that lives by logic and reason who would call them out on their beliefs and make valid points against them.

[jason voorhees]

Im undead to begin with do your worst @K9ofChaos

[merryGOflava]

IDK we are expecting sasuke to die, but i feel like hes gonna live i think sasuke's more confused crazy, right now. His mind felt more intact before. (it seems something is way up with him..maybe his sharinngan is on to tight :o)

[jason voorhees]

IDK we are expecting sasuke to die, but i feel like hes gonna live i think sasuke's more confused crazy, right now. His mind felt more intact before. (it seems something is way up with him..maybe his sharinngan is on to tight :o)

mabe he forgot his happy pills.

[merryGOflava]

mabe he forgot his happy pills.

yea he needs to start taking those daily again

[Strangelove]

yea he needs to start taking those daily again

Records show he was never in any happy pills, as a matter of fact, i think he was in steroids.

K9 let me tell you, that everything Naruto considers logical, Sasuke considers unreasonable, and everything Sasuke considers logical, Naruto considers unreasonable, it was like that since the very beginning.

eg. Revenge

Sasuke considers revenge logical and reasonable. His whole life is focused on it.

Naruto considers revenge unreasonable, when he was about to strike at Nagato he stopped himself, literally stopped himself from acquiring revenge. Even though all the crazy destruction Nagato did to Konoha, in the end, Nagato redeemed himself by reviving everyone who had died. Thus both Naruto and Nagato broke the cycle of revenge.

Edited by Strangelove, 11 January 2011 - 04:33 AM.

[Master Sage]

Records show he was never in any happy pills, as a matter of fact, i think he was in steroids.

K9 let me tell you, that everything Naruto considers logical, Sasuke considers unreasonable, and everything Sasuke considers logical, Naruto considers unreasonable, it was like that since the very beginning.

eg. Revenge

Sasuke considers revenge logical and reasonable. His whole life is focused on it.

Naruto considers revenge unreasonable, when he was about to strike at Nagato he stopped himself, literally stopped himself from acquiring revenge. Even though all the crazy destruction Nagato did to Konoha, in the end, Nagato redeemed himself by reviving everyone who had died. Thus both Naruto and Nagato broke the cycle of revenge.

Your right. Maybe if Sasuke would be able to control his hatred and learn to stop craving revenge then he would have probably broke the cycle of revenge between Him and Itachi, but of course Sasuke was way too overflown with the craziness of revenge he just couldn't break it and thus causing many MANY problems in the story. If it was Naruto he probably would have made a long emotional speech about something, and then he would have a flashback, and then BOOM problem solved

Edited by OblivionXP, 11 January 2011 - 04:49 AM.

[merryGOflava]

Your right. Maybe if Sasuke would be able to control his hatred and learn to stop craving revenge then he would have probably broke the cycle of revenge between Him and Itachi, but of course Sasuke was way too overflown with the craziness of revenge he just couldn't break it and thus causing many MANY problems in the story. If it was Naruto he probably would have made a long emotional speech about something, and then he would have a flashback, and then BOOM problem solved

and thats why i love naruto, his problem solving skills are unmatched

[Akashi]

Everyone will die, lol.

Idk, I think Sasuke will never change. He's gone mad. I'm sure he will die in the end.... it's not like I want him to die or something (okay, maybe a little), but seriously guys... everyone except Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi wants him dead. A-and it would be nice if he will die like a hero or something (saving Naruto from Madara/Kabuto maybe?). Lol, I know that's crazy.

[merryGOflava]

Everyone will die, lol.

Idk, I think Sasuke will never change. He's gone mad. I'm sure he will die in the end.... it's not like I want him to die or something (okay, maybe a little), but seriously guys... everyone except Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi wants him dead. A-and it would be nice if he will die like a hero or something (saving Naruto from Madara/Kabuto maybe?). Lol, I know that's crazy.

i dont want sasuke to die being evil..but if he
A. dies by saving naruto from...whatever
B. becomes a wanderer

i would be super happy~

[naruto-z]

Why do I feel like after the story resolves that te ninja system will collapse by narutos hand and he will never become hokage. Especially after minatos speech.