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[Jenskott]

Derock, with you post this thread has just reached one-hundred pages.

This thread has gone a long way since 2006. Back then, anti-NS fans were trying disproving Yamato's words. After three years they are trying disproving Naruto's words and Sakura's hug. In-between we have gone through Naruto and Sakura getting angsty over Sasuke, Sasuke finding another fangirl, Sakura flirting with Naruto and showing she's just so pervert like him, Naruto and Hinata walking together in one mission -and nothing happening-, Hinata stalking Naruto, Naruto having no one clue about Hinata, Sakura crying sometimes cause Sasuke, Sasuke killing Itachi and deciding destroying Konoha instead of returning and asking forgiveness, Sasuke and Karin's relationship strenghtening, Sakura calling Naruto when she needed him, Hinata finally confirming she was in love with Naruto and confessing, Sakura hugging Naruto while Hinata beamed at them, Naruto stating again he was in love with Sakura and Sai repeating his words to Sakura...

And bashing. Tons of character bashing.

And NaruSaku has endured through all ordeals so far.

I would wager Roshumba never expected his/her thread became so large.

It's a pity he hasn't been around in two years. I'd like knowing his/her reaction.

Another thing is what Jenskott was telling us about the Hinata worshipping. Its practically getting so annoying to me that I'm about start hating on the poor girl and she's just a minor character, a simple MINOR character!!!

I agree. It isn't starting to get annoying, because it WAS already annoying way back in the Part I. Now it's way beyond irritating and tiresome.

Honestly, I don't understand that. I have seen many secondary characters being overrated by different fandoms, butneither of them had so many following neither so loud.

I blame Internet for it.

Same thing with SasuSaku, execpt many exaggerate Sasuke's character from what I see.

I disagree. They don't exaggerate his character.

They turn him into Naruto.

Don't believe me? Check SS fanarts.

By the way, I have seen NH and NaruSasu fans ripping the hug off, doctoring the pannel so it looks like if Hinata/Sasuke are hugging Naruto... But I have also seen SasuSaku fans drawing -badly- Sasuke in the place of Naruto.

Yet pretending it was nothing but a friendly hug?

I know everyone is entitles to their own opinions but it gets out of hand when they start to get picky... oh, I just remember, everyone want things their way and they are the authors.

True.

Now for SasuKarin, yeah that basically getting there towards the hate as well for the SS and NH but I hardly couldn't see as much, maybe because of Sasuke's crazy addiction for power and vengeance that was all over him while I'm reading.

The amusing part is when anti-SK/SS fans lambast SasuKarin on the grounds of Karin being a fangirl and Sasuke being not interested in her (and hating red-haired women).

[Froot]

Happy Birthday, Heaven and Earth!

Well, yes, jenskott's right again. This thread is truly incredible, and while I'm still relatively new, I know a great thread when I see one.

This single, underappreciated pairing is doing quite well against three other huge, popular pairings. Now that is a great pairing.

Oh, by the way, found another great NaruHina argument.

''sakura cn't cook,'' (referring to when - in the fillers - Hinata made Naruto some weird rice ball thing with his face on it, and he said it was good)



Don't worry, I absolutely obliterated them, but I just thought I'd bring that over here and make someone's day. I had trouble at first, because of fhe sheer, uncensored stupidity and obliviousness of that statement. I struggled, because, well, people like that just won't listen to reason.

But yeah, totally trumped 'em.

Though, I shouldn't expect any arguments to make sense over there - it was, after all, in the Viz.com forum. I know the fans should be left alone to wallow in their own ignorance, but someone's got to do something.

Edited by Froot, 02 October 2009 - 08:11 PM.

[Hopestar]

OMG I can't believe it's H&E's 5th anniversary!!!!!!!

My fellow NSer's we have been though alot over the past several years against our rivals (SS, NH, SN) and now the story is slowly closing in a year or 2. Stay faithful and continue your debates! Just remember if you don't feel like dealing with the enemy then do what I do stay away from the NF and only read the forum debates.

I'm still sticking with holiday season when we receive NS moment and if they pair up (which I think they will) then its
ALL NIGHT LONG BABY!!!!!!!!

[Cupcake-chan]

I can't help but wonder what will happen to H&E after the Naruto manga finishes....


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Anyways, HAPPY BIRTHDAY H&E!!!

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Oh, by the way, found another great NaruHina argument.

''sakura cn't cook,'' (referring to when - in the fillers - Hinata made Naruto some weird rice ball thing with his face on it, and he said it was good)

But it's true, I mean, I worship NaruSaku and all, but it's true that Sakura can't cook. I mean, first there where the energy pill thingies and then in the end of an episode, which I can't recall which one, it's valentines day and Hinata's prepearing chocolate for 'who know who?' and Sakura comes along and ruens the chocolate with whatever she put in it. It may be a filler, but I believe that Sakura can't cook.
But I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, 'cause there aren't that many people who can cook well either.

[Froot]

But it's true, I mean, I worship NaruSaku and all, but it's true that Sakura can't cook. I mean, first there where the energy pill thingies and then in the end of an episode, which I can't recall which one, it's valentines day and Hinata's prepearing chocolate for 'who know who?' and Sakura comes along and ruens the chocolate with whatever she put in it. It may be a filler, but I believe that Sakura can't cook.
But I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, 'cause there aren't that many people who can cook well either.

Yes, but the fact remains; It's filler! For all we know, Sakura could be the best cook in Konoha!

Does it even matter, though? It's okay that neither can cook; They'd be going out on dates at Ichiraku's all the time, anyways!

Besides, Sakura's not meant to be a domesticated houswife in the first place, like the fillers were indicating Hinata should be. Psh. Please.

And yeah, what IS going to happen to H n' E?

[Cupcake-chan]

Does it even matter, though? It's okay that neither can cook; They'd be going out on dates at Ichiraku's all the time, anyways!

Uh-huh... dates... only with the rest of Team Kakashi. And from what I remember Sakura doesn't like to go to Ichiraku's that much.

[Jenskott]

Uh-huh... dates... only with the rest of Team Kakashi. And from what I remember Sakura doesn't like to go to Ichiraku's that much.

He hasn't said they have gone (even though they HAVE done). He is telling they would go. And obviously, if they were officially dating, they wouldn't drag the whole team along.

And I don't remember Sakura ever expressed disgust towards Ichiraku or ramen. Specially the last time they were eating together in that place (don't tell me you have forgotten about THAT time )

Anyway, it IS filler. It DOESN'T count. The cartoon-makers apparently thought that Sakura will be a terrible cook only because she is a tsundere (obviously!), and Hinata will be an excellent cook since she's the archetipycal, shy and meek female character (obviously!). They wrote those scenes because they can't think past clichés, but they aren't validated by the original story.

In fact, it's perfectly possible Sakura is a good cook because her parents were quite strict. And it's perfectly possible Hinata doesn't know how cooking because her clan probably employs maids in order to get the house chores done.

Anyway... So Naruto should stay with Hinata because she's a good cook? It doesn't matter if they do or don't love at each other or if they do or don't a good couple or if their relationship would be enduring and long-lasting?

I guess they have accepted Naruto isn't in love with Hinata and they wouldn't make a good couple, so they have to resort to that kind of arguments: "Naruto should stay with Hinata because she would be a good housewife! He's a slob, so he needs someone cooks his meals, sweep his floors and washes his clothes!"

Alright, do you know what? Naruto wants a spouse, not a servant. He wants a wife, not a maid.

It reminds me of the "Naruto should choose Hinata because she has bigger breasts! He would be an idiotic/queer to not want tapping that!" argument. Honestly, how sexist you can get? Or are you admitting he doesn't love her, and her quiet, meek personality will never draw him?

Naruto isn't shallow or superficial (not matter how much NH fans wish he was). He is in love with Sakura for her personality, not for her body. And besides, Sakura is beautiful-looking, big-bottomed and NOT flat-chested (and if people ACTUALLY looked to the art, they would realize. But I guess that, since her mammal glands aren't gigantic, she's flat-chested. Pathetic). So even if Naruto were focused on looks, he can find her attractive as well.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Guys, did you notice that NH shippers nowadays, reason out of Suigetsu and Karin as a couple? i had a debate again with this NH shipper and he said, SuixKarin is like NaruSaku
They are comparing it to NaruSaku

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 03 October 2009 - 08:17 AM.

[Shadowmoon~]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, H&E!

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And there I thought I was forgetting something.

I'll just wait for the official thread for H&E's birthday. I was wondering why it didn't show up.

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By the way, how is Suigetsu and Karin, like Naruto and Sakura? Suigetsu hates Karin, right? They are always fighting with each other. I'll try to research about that too.

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Edited by Shadowmoon~, 03 October 2009 - 09:32 AM.

[Froot]

Huzzah! Another point made by jenskott.

Oh, uh, by the way... I'm a she...

But yeah, it seems that the NH fans are really sexist, making it seem that Hinata should be his maid and she should be with her because of her giant boobs. If that's really the case, he'd be better off with Tsunade.

And I really hate when they use ''Sakura's flat'' as an argument, or even just an insult. Firstly, she is not flat anyways. In fact, Sakura's cup size seems to be on average. It's sad how we've been reduced to stupid arguments about busts, but it has. It's the same as some NS fans calling Hinata fat. She's not fat, and Sakura isn't flat.

And who even cares?!

Debate closed. Naruto would love Sakura even if she was flat

[Sherry]

Debate closed. Naruto would love Sakura even if she was flat

Hahaha, looks like you're tired with those unlogical statements.
I want to add one more, just one more.
Naruto will always Sakura because she is Sakura. I think love doesn't judge on someone's physical self, but someone's self personality. Whatever Sakura looks, either she can't cook or she doesn't have big boobs, if Naruto loves Sakura from his deepest heart, those won't matter to him. I think you all have known this well.

Hee hee

Btw, happy bday H&E!

Edited by Sherry, 03 October 2009 - 02:27 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

WOW.. they also think Naruto can't LOVE Sakura because she is flat? ..

Haha..I thought they are only in Denial but this?

anyway, i dont know its' the BIRTHDAY of H&E

WELL HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

[catsi563]

love the double standard in that argument.

she cant be with Naruto because shes not domestic material

she can be with Sasuke because shed be the perfect little babymaker

She cant be with Naruto because hes shallow and only likes her for her looks

she can be with Sasuke because of his looks

YAY Hypocrisy

[Cupcake-chan]

I can totally imagen Sasuke dumping Sakura because she's not a good cook or because of her looks, which I think aren't bad, but I could NEVER see Naruto doing anything like it or to anyone! These types of arguments that push me off a clift, looks aren't everything, 'ya know nor how good or bad you cook, 'cause if that were the case I wouldn't have a boyfriend.

[MelisaArtemis]

First Point: I think that most NH shipper does NOT really support the pairing itself but more Hinata only fans. Most of their arguments that I read so far only shows why HINATA should get the man she wants, rarely why NARUTO will want to have her as a lover. they forgot that love is a two-way road, and so far I only see one-way road from Hinata TO Naruto, while Naruto to Hinata is only few and far in between. I don't know if thats their opinion on a healthy relationship then I don't want to know how they define an unhealthy one.

Second: People need to remember that they are living in a NINJA world where war can happen ANYTIME. So Sakura isn't a domesticate type person, so what? Sure, knowing how to cook and take care of the house is a plus but they are Ninjas, not housewives. when you're in a world where even seeing someone from another village wrong can trigger a war between the two, knowing how to cook a meal is the least of your worries.

Third: They said that Naruto should love hinata because she got boobs and they said that he can't love sakura because she don't have hers bigger than a watermelon? is it just me or they think love is purely based on appearance? While I don't exactly disagree that its one of the reason people enter into a relationship but its NOT the only factor. Whats important is communication and understanding between the two, THAT should be the core of a relationship. if anything they are describing how to make a relationship FAIL.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

First Point: I think that most NH shipper does NOT really support the pairing itself but more Hinata only fans. Most of their arguments that I read so far only shows why HINATA should get the man she wants, rarely why NARUTO will want to have her as a lover. they forgot that love is a two-way road, and so far I only see one-way road from Hinata TO Naruto, while Naruto to Hinata is only few and far in between. I don't know if thats their opinion on a healthy relationship then I don't want to know how they define an unhealthy one.

Second: People need to remember that they are living in a NINJA world where war can happen ANYTIME. So Sakura isn't a domesticate type person, so what? Sure, knowing how to cook and take care of the house is a plus but they are Ninjas, not housewives. when you're in a world where even seeing someone from another village wrong can trigger a war between the two, knowing how to cook a meal is the least of your worries.

Third: They said that Naruto should love hinata because she got boobs and they said that he can't love sakura because she don't have hers bigger than a watermelon? is it just me or they think love is purely based on appearance? While I don't exactly disagree that its one of the reason people enter into a relationship but its NOT the only factor. Whats important is communication and understanding between the two, THAT should be the core of a relationship. if anything they are describing how to make a relationship FAIL.

I AGREE WITH THIS
Anyways, i got another debate again.. and this time, they are expecting a significance Sakura's sad face/truthful face when healing Hinata after she confessed and they are supposing Sakura is a NH FAN and with this Sakura wiil let go of Naruto:roll:

DESPERATION, I suppose

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 04 October 2009 - 02:28 AM.

[Cupcake-chan]

Hinata is Sakura's friend, I don't think she would let someone die just because they confessed their true love to the, supposed, guy se likes. If protecting and healing you friends means you support a pairing, then I don't know what else to say.

[Nate River]

Wow...

I missed all of the good parts... shame on me!!! DX

No big deal. I think many of those arguments were ones not even most serious NaruHina fans would make. The hitting is a personal favorite mine though because it so totally misses the mark as to be downright hilarious. It's a complete misunderstanding of the difference between not liking a given trope and the trope's meaning.

That you hate the trope doesn't change its existence or meaning. I can understand people not liking, but it doesn't change anything. There are scores of anime that prove the poster wrong.

Actually, his use of it is one of the few things I still give him credit for. He made use of it without abusing the total hell out of it, which is common in many other manga's.

Anyways, we shouldn't have bring those arguments back because we had already explained the answers before. But they won't listen. They will continue to be in denial until Kishimoto set the bomb with a NaruSaku kiss scene (hell, let's bring the children at the end as well, shall we?)

As much as I said before, this isn't no Soap Opera where Character A loves Character B but then breaks up with that person and goes to Character C, D, whatever... didn't I just said romance is not in the main genres of the series?

Many of these arguments are just childish, (I mean I think they came from children), many would just skim through and watch the pretty pictures but then again, during that age we should learn comprehension and interpretation.

Careful on the bashing.

Another thing is what Jenskott was telling us about the Hinata worshipping. Its practically getting so annoying to me that I'm about start hating on the poor girl and she's just a minor character, a simple MINOR character!!! And the treatment they are giving on poor Sakura because of her personality, development and looks (yes I seen those arguments), and she's main female lead of the series... and they just don't give a damn about Naruto, only they wanted him to do is to look at their option only. Same thing with SasuSaku, execpt many exaggerate Sasuke's character from what I see.

NaruSaku fans used to to get accused of not caring about Sakura's feelings. If you take it from the part one standpoint, then the argument is total meritless because in NaruHina you're not caring about Naruto's desire for Sakura, in NaruSaku its Sakura's desire for Sasuke, and in SasuSaku, it's Sasuke's desire for nobody, so to speak.

Feelings evolve and change. If Naruto's can change to Hinata and Sasuke's to Sakura, then Sakura's can evolve to Naruto. So, the argument's totally pointless.

I think the only way you can say a pairing considers both feelings at all times is if both parties like each other from the get go and that's not true of any of these pairings and still ignores that even when both parties do start off that way things can still change.

I know everyone is entitles to their own opinions but it gets out of hand when they start to get picky... oh, I just remember, everyone want things their way and they are the authors.

This reminds me of one of my favorite websites: http://despair.com/compromise.html

Now for SasuKarin, yeah that basically getting there towards the hate as well for the SS and NH but I hardly couldn't see as much, maybe because of Sasuke's crazy addiction for power and vengeance that was all over him while I'm reading.

I don't see it as much you guys do. There are couple of moments its seems like she could leave the fangirl stage, but, in my mind, has yet to evolve beyond that point and hasn't distinguished herself from Suigetsu and Juugo. I don't see much of a difference between the three relationships other than that she fangirls Sasuke. So long as she doesn't move beyond that stage, the pairing will have no chance.

Personally, I don't care whether it happens or not. I don't like Karin all that much so I don't care about the pairing at all.

You reminded me of the birth of the Anti-SasuKarin fanclub. If I recall it was started by a well-known SasukeSakura shipper who unhappy at the NaruSaku fans who were sideshipping SasuKarin. It was funny because the NaruHina and SasuSaku fans were notorious for doing side-shipping and tended to argue that their setup left everyone happy, which people got left out under NaruSaku.

I don't understand side shippers myself. For me, each pairing stands or falls on it own, and I'd be quite unhappy if my desired pairing only occurred as a consequence of another one and so that no one has to feel bad.

Second: People need to remember that they are living in a NINJA world where war can happen ANYTIME. So Sakura isn't a domesticate type person, so what? Sure, knowing how to cook and take care of the house is a plus but they are Ninjas, not housewives. when you're in a world where even seeing someone from another village wrong can trigger a war between the two, knowing how to cook a meal is the least of your worries.

There are times when I wonder if even Kishimoto remembers that fact. The tag line to one of the chapters called Danzou's order to kill Sasuke "Cruel" when under the rules of Kishimoto's own universe it would have been standard operating procedure to issue that same order when Sasuke hauled ass three years ago. I got a kick out of that one.

I can totally imagen Sasuke dumping Sakura because she's not a good cook or because of her looks, which I think aren't bad, but I could NEVER see Naruto doing anything like it or to anyone! These types of arguments that push me off a clift, looks aren't everything, 'ya know nor how good or bad you cook, 'cause if that were the case I wouldn't have a boyfriend.

I have trouble seeing this, though I suppose it depends on which Sasuke you talk about. The current version is obsessed with vengeance with a secondary goal of reviving his clan. If his desire to rebuild the clan is anywhere near as strong as his lust for vengeance, then his primary concern would be her ability to produce heirs. If she couldn't, then he might.

But besides that...I doubt it. Sasuke doesn't strike as quite that petty when it comes to relationships. He seems to view them more from the standpoint of how they help (or don't help) his ultimate objectivew. If you're thinking along those lines, the primary basis would probably be if she somehow became an obstruction to what he desired (which is why he originally tried to sever the Team 7 bonds) and to my knowledge he's never desired one who could cook or who was aesthetically pleasing.

Anyways, i got another debate again.. and this time, they are expecting a significance Sakura's sad face/truthful face when healing Hinata after she confessed and they are supposing Sakura is a NH FAN and with this Sakura wiil let go of Naruto:roll:

This reminds of the good old days when they used to use the first hospital scene to claim that Naruto secretly shipped SasuSaku.

[MelisaArtemis]

I AGREE WITH THIS
Anyways, i got another debate again.. and this time, they are expecting a significance Sakura's sad face/truthful face when healing Hinata after she confessed and they are supposing Sakura is a NH FAN and with this Sakura wiil let go of Naruto:roll:

DESPERATION, I suppose

My response to that: Aside from the fact that I find it unlikely that Sakura is sad because Hinata confessed rather than that she's worried that another victim close to NARUTO fall in the hand of Pain, while Sakura might want to let go of Naruto and let Hinata have him, I finds it unlikely that Naruto will be so willing. Granted he did saw AND hear Hinata confessed her love but he hasn't show ANY response to it, You might argue that he turn to Kyuubi because of that but taking into account of his character, Naruto is the type that can NOT bear seeing anyone even remotely close to him hurt right in front of his eyes if he can help it, much less being near-dead (Yes, this is supported by canon AND filler so those NH can't argue this to be untrue).

That aside, remember what Naruto's response to why he won't confess to SAKURA: He CANNOT do it because he don't think he's worthy of her if he can't even fulfill his promise. Why is this significant? This means that although he's trying to save Sasuke for himself but the main driving force behind him is the significance of his promise to Sakura. Whats the connection between the two? Naruto puts emphasize on the promise he made YEARS ago so much that he put his own feeling to the side so that SAKURA can be happy, while on the other hand, what's his response to Hinata's confession? Left to meet Nagato as soon as he's sure she's okay. I think you can take the conclusion from there

[Froot]

I AGREE WITH THIS
Anyways, i got another debate again.. and this time, they are expecting a significance Sakura's sad face/truthful face when healing Hinata after she confessed and they are supposing Sakura is a NH FAN and with this Sakura wiil let go of Naruto:roll:

DESPERATION, I suppose

My only comment;

First of all, that look said nothing even close to ''Wow Hinata loves Naruto, I better step off and ask Naruto to stop being in love with me, because we Konoha nin should ALL appreciate that violet haired goddess with giant boobs!''

I may have overexaggerated, but that's basically their implication.

Secondly, if that's what they think the look meant, then they should accept that the look Hinata gave to Naruto and Sakura's hug was of acceptance. PLUS, hers wasn't sad, unlike Sakura's.

Hypocrites.