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[Prime]

Which I believe I said earlier in the thread.

The problem I think is here is that the "such-and-such pairing is dead" behavior is exactly the kind of thing the opposition has done, which folks here have complained about.


Personally, I don't think so. They're pretty parallel in basic structure. Girl has feelings for boy, boy is not interested, boy does not pay attention to girl, development never ensues. I'd argue there was even less chance due to the fact that Hinata pretty much never shows up and actually does anything not involving getting whupped.


You don't find hypocrisy embarrassing? It seems like it's one extreme or the other. Either we're doomed and the other pairings are picking on us or we've won and nyah on the others 'cause they're dead.

Well Sasuke never really supported Sakura in any way ever. He was always running on his own motive and was pretty selfish. So I'd say it was one sided. There friendship alone was never very good as Sasuke cut it off easily and left. Naruto stood up for Hinata plenty of times and she obviously has a crush on him. NH has had development just very little. Once you think about who they are tho it really does not seem so bad. They really do appear good for each other on paper. Even if realistically all they have is friendship it would still be more then SS ever has had.

SS isn't dead as long as it has fans supporting it

Anyways, I care more about Sakura's bad treatment, yet again. Wish she would do something useful outside of healing for once. Ah, but kishi is writing this manga

I do have some respect for Karin now. I could end up actually liking her character if she continues to be helpful. Really hope Naruto makes it there soon and this arc will come to an end. >.>

Ah I'm from the show-me state.. So seeing is believing and people can believe what ever they want. It does not change the possibility's at all.

[Serenity Namikaze]

So Karin is only slightly cool now cuz she might somehow help NS? That's so racist!

Karin helping NS? Personally, I never thought of that one. All I have to say is that I like her more after she said 'Stop, Sasuke', she didn't want for Sasuke to kill Sakura. I never consider her 'evil', annoying yes, but I believe that she could be useful (but not because she will help NS, that really ridiculous to believe that)

[Miss Soupy]

Ah I'm from the show-me state.. So seeing is believing and people can believe what ever they want. It does not change the possibility's at all.

Yeah, people can believe what they want. I never expected any of the big 3 to just throw in the towel. When you like a pairing for so long, it's hard to give it up, even if the manga shows less support towards it happening. It's not like NS is without conflict itself.

[ciardha]

kakashi's wording in this chapter is just... awesome. the way he calmly and confidently threatened sasuke, the way he apologized to sakura and took the blame for team 7's failure, and acknowledged sakura's determination, it's just beautiful.

awesome sensei is awesome

I liked especially Kakashi finally acknowledging Sakura as a full member of Team 7. Even in part 2 there had been a bit of his not seeing how much more that she had become since part 1. That she had grown not just in physical strength but in emotional strength. He acknowledges that when she was younger he treated her like she was fragile, saw her as a pretty little girl not a kunoichi that could face traumas and get back up and face the world with determination. I do think his view of kunoichi was colored strongly by Rin. Rin was not a fighter, she was only a medic nin. He sees now Sakura isn't Rin, not just physically but emotionally. Sounds like he regrets not being more honest with her about Sasuke back then. He didn't think she was emotionally strong enough to deal with what he feared and as he said, was trying to deny he was seeing.

[Miss Soupy]

He sees now Sakura isn't Rin, not just physically but emotionally. Sounds like he regrets not being more honest with her about Sasuke back then. He didn't think she was emotionally strong enough to deal with what he feared and as he said, was trying to deny he was seeing.

Kakashi didn't really treat her as more of a fighter. He told her to heal Karin and stand aside. That isn't exactly allowing her to be a full member of the team. Remember, his whole reason for chasing after her is because he believed her to be on a death march. Unfortunately, he turned out to be completely right and arrived just in time to save her. While he did give her some praise, I don't think it was anything to really be that happy about. I am glad he apologized for not telling her the truth back in part I though and for admitting that he wasn't the best sensei. Sakura never really got that much use out of Kakashi as her teacher, but she still cares about him and respects him a great deal.

KakaSaku

[Insurrection]

With my serious hat on now, I've got to say, I'm not overly fond of how this thread has been going. Everyone's braying "SasuSaku is dead" and practically celebrating. Yet when the others did it - however misguided they may have been with their scene twisting - everyone cries and calls for a foul. The most recent example being a month or so ago. Not only does it make us no better than them it makes the entire group of shippers look like a bunch of hypocrites.

I'm disappointed.

You right in the long run, and it would be hypocritcal to say SS is dead, but I personally think its probability of happening has been greatly reduced, but you never know with Kishi. Though I wish it were dead very very VERY much.

If he pulls another crazy ivan with this again we'll bring back bender

Edited by Insurrection, 19 February 2010 - 01:23 AM.

[tricksie]

Hey, I just realize something. How does Sasuke know that Sakura is a healer?

I would assume he's probably keeping tabs on them. Not in a big way, but just enough to know what's happening with his former teammates, future foes.

He also could have found out after her fight with Sasori, through the Akatsuki grape vine somehow.

[Serenity Namikaze]

I would assume he's probably keeping tabs on them. Not in a big way, but just enough to know what's happening with his former teammates, future foes.

He also could have found out after her fight with Sasori, through the Akatsuki grape vine somehow.

Yeah, that could be plausible. Still, I hate it that somehow this information came to him out of no were, if you know what I mean. I would have expected that Sakura would have mention it herself.

[ciardha]

Kakashi didn't really treat her as more of a fighter. He told her to heal Karin and stand aside. That isn't exactly allowing her to be a full member of the team. Remember, his whole reason for chasing after her is because he believed her to be on a death march. Unfortunately, he turned out to be completely right and arrived just in time to save her. While he did give her some praise, I don't think it was anything to really be that happy about. I am glad he apologized for not telling her the truth back in part I though and for admitting that he wasn't the best sensei. Sakura never really got that much use out of Kakashi as her teacher, but she still cares about him and respects him a great deal.

Well, yeah, one step at a time, he's now acknowledging he overlooked her emotional strength. That shows at least he's starting to look at her more realsitically.

[Miss Soupy]

Well, yeah, one step at a time, he's now acknowledging he overlooked her emotional strength. That shows at least he's starting to look at her more realsitically.

I hope he survives and can help team 7 rebuild itself. It'd be nice to see him teach Sakura some of his tricks as well.

[ShippudenGirl]

Yeah, that could be plausible. Still, I hate it that somehow this information came to him out of no were, if you know what I mean. I would have expected that Sakura would have mention it herself.

Well remember now the tables have turned and they have Karin with the info now, as my guy friend would say "What NOW!" sorry.. xP Yerps if Karin survives then Sasuke will die, sorry again it was for a rhyme. Gahh! Killer Bee fan lmao.

On a more serious note, I think Madara and/or Sasuke will try to kill Karin eventually, as Madara said "She knows too much" or something like that, I must say in happy for Karin, she's practically saved Sakura's life, I guess.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Kakashi didn't really treat her as more of a fighter. He told her to heal Karin and stand aside. That isn't exactly allowing her to be a full member of the team. Remember, his whole reason for chasing after her is because he believed her to be on a death march. Unfortunately, he turned out to be completely right and arrived just in time to save her. While he did give her some praise, I don't think it was anything to really be that happy about. I am glad he apologized for not telling her the truth back in part I though and for admitting that he wasn't the best sensei. Sakura never really got that much use out of Kakashi as her teacher, but she still cares about him and respects him a great deal.

Well said, I love that part because, even if he didn't praise her, he didn't try to judge her action nor saying that it was reckless to do so because, that simply isn't Kakashi.
To me, it show that even if he 'neglect ' his female student, he care for her to take all the blame for telling her in part 1 that everything would be alright.

[Evil Potato]

I'm not sure if anyone has made this comment yet or if anyone thought about this but... Konoha are not the ones at fault for the Uchiha massacre. The Uchiha's were about to start a war within Konoha and the Elders were able to learn about this information in time before it happened. Plus, the 3rd hokage tried to bring reason but nothing worked so in the end the Uchiha clan had to be taken down in order to save the village and all the country. Sasuke has no one to blame but the clan. Right?

[Myth]

I'm not sure if anyone has made this comment yet or if anyone thought about this but... Konoha are not the ones at fault for the Uchiha massacre. The Uchiha's were about to start a war within Konoha and the Elders were able to learn about this information in time before it happened. Plus, the 3rd hokage tried to bring reason but nothing worked so in the end the Uchiha clan had to be taken down in order to save the village and all the country. Sasuke has no one to blame but the clan. Right?

yeah ı didnt remember all is true potato

the clan destroyed itself..

Edited by Myth, 19 February 2010 - 02:09 AM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

I'm not sure if anyone has made this comment yet or if anyone thought about this but... Konoha are not the ones at fault for the Uchiha massacre. The Uchiha's were about to start a war within Konoha and the Elders were able to learn about this information in time before it happened. Plus, the 3rd hokage tried to bring reason but nothing worked so in the end the Uchiha clan had to be taken down in order to save the village and all the country. Sasuke has no one to blame but the clan. Right?

Well, technically, the elder did ask Itachi to eradicate the clan so, Konoha is responsible for the Uchiha massacre. However, you're right when you mention that the Uchiha wanted to start a war within konoha so, to prevent that, the elder took drastic measure. In a way, the Uchiha are the one to blame for their own fate.

Edited by silverserenity, 19 February 2010 - 02:11 AM.

[dfammer]

With my serious hat on now, I've got to say, I'm not overly fond of how this thread has been going. Everyone's braying "SasuSaku is dead" and practically celebrating. Yet when the others did it - however misguided they may have been with their scene twisting - everyone cries and calls for a foul. The most recent example being a month or so ago. Not only does it make us no better than them it makes the entire group of shippers look like a bunch of hypocrites.

I'm disappointed.

But the episode you are talking about wasn't near as decisive as this chapter Sasuke tried to KILL Sakura for the second time...It's not "shipping" to see whats right in front of your eyes S.S. is DEAD and if not dead they are about to pull the plug,No one can validate or rationalize Sasuke's actions he is for whatever reason now a completly evil character and Sakura has found this out the hard way,just as Naruto is about to learn.

Edited by dfammer, 19 February 2010 - 02:40 AM.

[dl316bh]

But the episode you are talking about wasn't near as decisive as this chapter Sasuke tried to KILL Sakura for the second time...It's not "shipping" to see whats right in front of your eyes S.S. is DEAD and if not dead they are about to pull the plug,No one can validate or rationalize Sasuke's actions he is for whatever reason now a completly evil character and Sakura has found this out the hard way,just as Naruto is about to learn.

You're missing my point entirely. I'm not debating what happened in the chapter itself. I'm basically saying that the "SS is dead" talk is the same thing the other pairings did that were whined about. Which sinks us to their level. Which I guess I mistakenly thought we were better than.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Well remember now the tables have turned and they have Karin with the info now, as my guy friend would say "What NOW!" sorry.. xP Yerps if Karin survives then Sasuke will die, sorry again it was for a rhyme. Gahh! Killer Bee fan lmao.

On a more serious note, I think Madara and/or Sasuke will try to kill Karin eventually, as Madara said "She knows too much" or something like that, I must say in happy for Karin, she's practically saved Sakura's life, I guess.

Shippu-chan, you have missed my point

I was asking how Sasuke knew about Sakura healing ability. As far as we know, no one told him that info and I don't see why. This is the kind of thing that annoy me sometime (it not that it's important but the fact that this info came to Sasuke out of no were bug me)

As for the Karin, if she's out of reach, Madara and/or Sasuke will not waste time searching for her. They will try to kill her only if she's there to kill (if she come with team 7 to konoha for example)

Edited by silverserenity, 19 February 2010 - 02:54 AM.

[dfammer]

You're missing my point entirely. I'm not debating what happened in the chapter itself. I'm basically saying that the "SS is dead" talk is the same thing the other pairings did that were whined about. Which sinks us to their level. Which I guess I mistakenly thought we were better than.

While you shine your halo,I'm going to enjoy these next chapters and leave the moral superiority to you.