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[Freakazoid]

So, will we start seeing spoilers next week?

[Sir Whirly]

ooohhhhhh, i c what u mean. i guess i was just dancing around the tree for that one. i think that seems more logical because sasuke, a person who was once part of konoha and team 7 now has to be taking down by none other than them which is hard for them to except because he was their friend or someone that they admired. thanks for clearing that up

Actually I want to clear this up. If you read what Shikamaru says, I don't see it as a friend thing or her crying for Sakura.

And I quote:
"It may be a little indirect, but bear with me. If Kumogakure kills Sasuke, you and Ino... and Naruto won't stand for it. If you do something to get yourselves killed, me, Chouji, Inoichi and your parents will want revenge too."

It goes back to my initial complaint. For Ino to be bawling like that over Sasuke, is a bit ridiculous. She hasn't seen the guy in three years and had no interaction with him before that. To me it just doesn't make sense.

[Freakazoid]

^ That.

Hopefully Kishimoto is just setting up for a little bit of Ino development, though. The only canon Ino/-- pairing I can see atm is InoCho, with it being realistic and not a blow to her character.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

Not neccesarily Tobi was upset because Nagato used the resurection jutsu that he had wanted to be saved for him. The implication being that Should something somehow happen to Madara/Tobi, or should something happen to Danzo ((should the theory prove true)) he could have Nagato use the resurection Jutsu on him.

It is however possible that as you say Madara may in some fashion be pulling a voldemort. He may have been badly damaged and crippled during his fight with Hasharima and may be living a pitiful existence as a ghost or ghost of his former self, perhaps living Parasite like off of Danzo or someone similar.

That's what I was thinking. I remember Madara saying he was not at his strongest anymore. I forget what chapter though. But you're right. He could have been wanting to save it.

[Nee-sama]

I just want to write a little prediction Hey, it could happen.


Right now, all the former genin kids who are still in Konoha at the moment have decided to team up and go after Sasuke, including Sakura with fresh determination. Naruto, all by himself, has acknowledged that he doesn't understand what Sasuke is going through or thinking. (Kind of a parallel that I noticed is that Naruto and Sakura were both shown with balled up fists during this chapter when they thought of Sasuke)

My prediction is that Naruto is going to hear of the Kage's search for Sasuke in the vicinity and ditch everyone to search himself. Que: Naruto vs. Sasuke Round 3. Que: Dynamic Entry! Sakura, Hinata, Shikamaru, Kiba, Shino, Ino, Chouji all arrive at the battlefield! Naruto would finally have people backing him up, and everyone would be focusing on helping Sasuke see the light! so to speak

Heh, ok so it is probably just a pipe dream, and it leaves out Kakashi and Yamato, but I just thought it would be a heart-warming kind of scene if all the kids got back together as young adults now and became comrades again.

[Freakazoid]

Not a bad theory. I just want to see Sasuke as final villian material, as if he's not already.

The rookies aren't going after him to make him see the light, they are going for the kill.

[Dreamer]

I just want to write a little prediction Hey, it could happen.


Right now, all the former genin kids who are still in Konoha at the moment have decided to team up and go after Sasuke, including Sakura with fresh determination. Naruto, all by himself, has acknowledged that he doesn't understand what Sasuke is going through or thinking. (Kind of a parallel that I noticed is that Naruto and Sakura were both shown with balled up fists during this chapter when they thought of Sasuke)

My prediction is that Naruto is going to hear of the Kage's search for Sasuke in the vicinity and ditch everyone to search himself. Que: Naruto vs. Sasuke Round 3. Que: Dynamic Entry! Sakura, Hinata, Shikamaru, Kiba, Shino, Ino, Chouji all arrive at the battlefield! Naruto would finally have people backing him up, and everyone would be focusing on helping Sasuke see the light! so to speak

Heh, ok so it is probably just a pipe dream, and it leaves out Kakashi and Yamato, but I just thought it would be a heart-warming kind of scene if all the kids got back together as young adults now and became comrades again.

Although this Manga has been focused on bringing Sasuke back, I'm going to agree with Freakazoid on Sasuke being a final villain or at the very least Tobi's plans on Sasuke will probably succeed since he's there himself in the Iron Country to make sure of it and i really don't see Naruto and/or Sasuke even worthy at this particular point of taking on someone who can manipulate time/space at will with EMS also.

As for Hinata, i really wouldn't want her to go with Sakura because if Sakura shows feelings of love to Naruto, it's only going to break the shy Hyuuga's little heart and the last thing we want is NH shippers joining our pairing site and spamming it full of hatred. You could imagine what NF would be like, Nick Soapdish would have to get all the NaruXSaku FC members on NF to join this site because NF would literally be a internet war zone of flying words bombarding each other.

Edited by 6thHokage, 11 August 2009 - 11:38 PM.

[Nee-sama]

^^ Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing Sasuke as the final villain either, though at this point I think he could go either way, or be killed at the end.

And as for that internet war I think we'll be seeing that for sure, just as soon as someone finally gets some nookie.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

I think Sasuke will be redeemed, so I honestly think he is only 2nd chance for final villain at this point. Of course, I realize those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Yet, I still have a hard time seeing Kishi going the tragedy route with Naruto. Sure, tragic things happen, but the story itself is not one (which I see it being if Sasuke is the final villain).

I, personally, want to see the dark horse contender for final villain status, Kabuto, to come out on top. Kishimoto could simply have him in the background while the Akatsuki conflict goes on and have him plotting.

[Freakazoid]

I don't see Sasuke being a final villian tragic in the least. He's been like that for all of part 2, so it's not as if anything with the main heroes will change.

Also, tbh, I never saw this huge 'bond' between team 7 in part 1 that Kishimoto tries to highlight all the time. Maybe it's just me.

The friend that betrayed the main characters always turns out to be the biggest villian. From my exp with many series.. anime/movies/tv, American/Japanese ..

Edited by Freakazoid, 12 August 2009 - 02:18 AM.

[dl316bh]

Also, tbh, I never saw this huge 'bond' between team 7 in part 1 that Kishimoto tries to highlight all the time. Maybe it's just me.

It's not. I can't say I ever really bought it either. Sure, they were friends and everything, but the whole "bond" thing feels overplayed for what we saw. Especially when it comes to Naruto and Sasuke; I had a hard enough time buying the kind of bond Kishi plays up for the team itself, but I didn't buy the brother bond at all. We've always been told about this great bond and never truly shown it in any appreciable capacity; which is generally a bit of a no-no.

Just one of those things were you just roll with the punches, I guess.

Edited by dl316bh, 12 August 2009 - 04:22 AM.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

I see it tragic as the hero of the story was able to save everyone but his best friend.

I also think Sasuke, messed up as he has been, hasn't been as bad for the entirety of Part II. He made it clear that he was releasing Orochimaru's slaves. Only after Madara's manipulations did he begin killing those who got in his way.

EDIT: I would like to remind people a lot of the bonding did happen off screen. But Sasuke and Naruto have showed care for each other and risked their lives for each other until Itachi's beat down of Sasuke in the hotel. I think the "brothers" theme might be a little overplayed, but really only recently. It works earlier in the series because they had no one else really. The village isolated Naruto and Sasuke isolated himself. They barely spoke and were combative when they did, but they were all each other had for a long time. Even a nod of understanding works as a drop of water is a river to the man dying of thirst.

Of course, as the village accepts him and more and more people break through to Naruto, he has less of a reason to care about Sasuke. Though, I think Naruto's stubbornness will not let him give up on Sasuke. Sasuke, on the other hand, has withdrew more and become more isolated. He needs Naruto more than Naruto needs him though he keeps rejecting him (while becoming a ridiculously easy puppet in the process [seriously, Itachi manipulated him into dedicating himself into killing Itachi, Orchimaru would have Sasuke's body now if not for Itachi, and currently Madara is manipulating him]).

Edited by Daidoji_Tangen, 12 August 2009 - 04:36 AM.

[Dreamer]

I see it tragic as the hero of the story was able to save everyone but his best friend.

I also think Sasuke, messed up as he has been, hasn't been as bad for the entirety of Part II. He made it clear that he was releasing Orochimaru's slaves. Only after Madara's manipulations did he begin killing those who got in his way.

EDIT: I would like to remind people a lot of the bonding did happen off screen. But Sasuke and Naruto have showed care for each other and risked their lives for each other until Itachi's beat down of Sasuke in the hotel. I think the "brothers" theme might be a little overplayed, but really only recently. It works earlier in the series because they had no one else really. The village isolated Naruto and Sasuke isolated himself. They barely spoke and were combative when they did, but they were all each other had for a long time. Even a nod of understanding works as a drop of water is a river to the man dying of thirst.

Of course, as the village accepts him and more and more people break through to Naruto, he has less of a reason to care about Sasuke. Though, I think Naruto's stubbornness will not let him give up on Sasuke. Sasuke, on the other hand, has withdrew more and become more isolated. He needs Naruto more than Naruto needs him though he keeps rejecting him (while becoming a ridiculously easy puppet in the process [seriously, Itachi manipulated him into dedicating himself into killing Itachi, Orchimaru would have Sasuke's body now if not for Itachi, and currently Madara is manipulating him]).

It's really pointless for Naruto to even bring back Sasuke to the village because like Shikamaru said (similar to what he said) Kumogakure will start a war if Konoha tries to protect Sasuke. Even if Naruto brought Sasuke back to the village everyone (except Naruto/Sakura/Kakashi/and maybe a few Rookies but that would be about it) would wanted him taking out to the Guillotine or life in Prison.

As to what someone said earlier about Raikage being militias, I don't think he was being militias but instead he was trying to tell Naruto to "Man Up" act like a young adult/ninja and do away with those squirmy childish emotions of his because as a ninja there's no room for such emotions to affect one's judgment.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 12 August 2009 - 05:26 AM.

[Freakazoid]

I guess i'm not one for off screen bonding.

I just don't see it as tragic because everyone we saw between them on screen was a rivarly, then Sasuke not really caring at all what could happen to either Naruto or Sakura. Hell, even trying to kill them both!

It's a one sided false bond from my view. So nothing tragic about it.

[Muttz]

I guess i'm not one for off screen bonding.

I just don't see it as tragic because everyone we saw between them on screen was a rivarly, then Sasuke not really caring at all what could happen to either Naruto or Sakura. Hell, even trying to kill them both!

It's a one sided false bond from my view. So nothing tragic about it.

You know, I used to think this too but recently I went back and reread some from the pilot through the chuunin exam, and I think Sasuke really did care about them in his own way. There were times when I thought he was almost downright sweet to Sakura (in a very Sasuke-ish way mind you ) Although I do agree that Naruto probably cared about Sasuke more than the other way around, but to me thats almost more tragic than anything else. Poor Naruto. That being said I do think Kishi's played it up and made it out to be a bit more than it ever really appeared.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

As to what someone said earlier about Raikage being militias, I don't think he was being militias but instead he was trying to tell Naruto to "Man Up" act like a young adult/ninja and do away with those squirmy childish emotions of his because as a ninja there's no room for such emotions to affect one's judgment.

Which is really somewhat ironic considering Raikage's quite hot-blooded and emotional, though it could be just because his brother's missing. And/or, being a -Kage, he's able to separate emotions from his decisions....

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 12 August 2009 - 02:05 PM.

[Shadow-kun]

He isn't able to separate his emotions from his decisions, his behavior at the Kage meeting is proof of that!

[Freakazoid]

Oh well, he's still awesome.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

It's really pointless for Naruto to even bring back Sasuke to the village because like Shikamaru said (similar to what he said) Kumogakure will start a war if Konoha tries to protect Sasuke. Even if Naruto brought Sasuke back to the village everyone (except Naruto/Sakura/Kakashi/and maybe a few Rookies but that would be about it) would wanted him taking out to the Guillotine or life in Prison.

As to what someone said earlier about Raikage being militias, I don't think he was being militias but instead he was trying to tell Naruto to "Man Up" act like a young adult/ninja and do away with those squirmy childish emotions of his because as a ninja there's no room for such emotions to affect one's judgment.

Well, Naruto would have to change the Raikage's mind about that, but two things:

1. Killer Bee is not dead which will take away the Raikage's anger.

2. Naruto will have to change the Raikage's thinking anyways if he is to start the ninja revolution and bring salvation to the world.

I guess i'm not one for off screen bonding.

I just don't see it as tragic because everyone we saw between them on screen was a rivarly, then Sasuke not really caring at all what could happen to either Naruto or Sakura. Hell, even trying to kill them both!

It's a one sided false bond from my view. So nothing tragic about it.

Just so we are clear, by off screen bonding, I mean simply hanging out and completing missions together, things that would seem pointless to put in the manga, but we can assume they happened. I see little glimpses of it, but Sasuke it pretty emotionally retarded.

If Sasuke was always evil, then it wouldn't be a tragedy to me. But he has continuously suffered - abeit much of it was his own fault - and been manipulated. So, I see tragedy in his fall and in Naruto's failure if he becomes the final villain.

Which is really somewhat ironic considering Raikage's quite hot-blooded and emotional, though it could be just because his brother's missing. And/or, being a -Kage, he's able to separate emotions from his decisions....

Yeah, I think he's just enraged right now because of his brother.

And, yes, Freakazoid, he is awesome.

[Freakazoid]

I highly doubt KillerB just being alive will make Raikage want to stop hunting Sasuke. He still walked onto their village's land and kidnapped him for his own goals. That is not something you just let go.

Plus... Sasuke is still there to attack them all!

lol.

Edited by Freakazoid, 12 August 2009 - 06:10 PM.