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[FireFox]

You understand that from 12 years old he lived in suffering because of lost he had? It would be one thing if Rin was killed by someone irrelevant - it was one deal, but she was killed by none other that second person that was dear to Obito - his friend Kakashi that promised to protect her. So in one day - he lost his friend, his love and any point in life where he was heading. You taking that "coolest guy" to literally, I'm not even fan of Obito, but Naruto admired that power to turn back to "good" side that Uchiha Obito had. This "you killed and etc", why then none had problem with Nagato? There was phrase "if you didn't kill it doesn't mean you didn't love enough". Obito is surely one hell of villian and his motivation wasn't good at all, but at least it has some sense/logic behind it.

Naruto lived his whole life in suffering being neglected by everyone , Kakashi suffered as well , Tsunade also so what , he didn't turn into a mass murderer blaming everyone to the point of trying to kill a baby and blaming everyone for what happened to him when he knew it was Rin's choice  it made him look like a whiny b*tch , Obito knew that it was Rin's Choice not Kakashi's .  I'm not saying that it doesn't make sens at all his motivation but that  its flawed as kitten  .

 

As for Nagato Naruto never forgive him fully he only made peace with it bc Nagato revived everyone .

 

I'm taking it literary bc it was presented like that  by that logic everyone is the coolest guy ever lol . Come on that statement is ridiculous no matter how you look at it  , you just don't call the guy who made your life a living hell and to so many others just bc he was able (forced actually)  to turn around  its out of this realm and it looks retarded  it makes no sens . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 05 February 2015 - 07:53 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Naruto lived his whole life in suffering being neglected by everyone , Kakashi suffered as well , Tsunade also so what , he didn't turn into a mass murderer blaming everyone to the point of trying to kill a baby and blaming everyone for what happened to him when he knew it was Rin's choice  it made him look like a whiny b*tch , Obito knew that it was Rin's Choice not Kakashi's .  I'm not saying that it doesn't make sens at all his motivation but that  its flawed as kitten  .

 

As for Nagato Naruto never forgive him fully he only made peace with it bc Nagato revived everyone .

 

I'm taking it literary bc it was presented like that  by that logic everyone is the coolest guy ever lol . Come on that statement is ridiculous no matter how you look at it  , you just don't call the guy who made your life a living hell and to so many others just bc he was able (forced actually)  to turn around  its out of this realm and it looks retarded  it makes no sens . 

Naruto didn't had anything to loose, Kakshi only lost his father and became tough skinned. Tsunade become unable to work after deaths she suffered.

Obito didn't tryed to kill baby, he was aiming for other goal, you know that too. When did he learned that it was Rin's choise? Kakashi could've save her. 

Naruto decleaned revenge even before Nagato choose to review all, so that's you being wrong.

Nah, Obito's life was even worse then Naruto's. But that's your opinion, okay.

The least logical villian - Sasuke after KS arc.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's Uchiha's way for ya. Nagato actually did all he could do, and was perfect villian and would become nice dark main character if it would be his story.

Indeed. I feel like Madara could have been more or different if this route didn't happen. I don't know, I feel like Kishi dropped the ball big time. It doesn't help that he got eliminated in a anti-climatic way.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto didn't had anything to loose, Kakshi only lost his father and became tough skinned. Tsunade become unable to work after deaths she suffered.
Obito didn't tryed to kill baby, he was aiming for other goal, you know that too. When did he learned that it was Rin's choise? Kakashi could've save her. 
Naruto decleaned revenge even before Nagato choose to review all, so that's you being wrong.
Nah, Obito's life was even worse then Naruto's. But that's your opinion, okay.
The least logical villian - Sasuke after KS arc.

Why is that Sasuke is the least logical? Because of his reasons?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Why is that Sasuke is the least logical? Because of his reasons?

Because of his constant change of reasons.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 05 February 2015 - 08:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Because of his constant change og reasons.

True.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

True.

[FireFox]

Naruto didn't had anything to loose, Kakshi only lost his father and became tough skinned. Tsunade become unable to work after deaths she suffered.

Obito didn't tryed to kill baby, he was aiming for other goal, you know that too. When did he learned that it was Rin's choise? Kakashi could've save her. 

Naruto decleaned revenge even before Nagato choose to review all, so that's you being wrong.

Nah, Obito's life was even worse then Naruto's. But that's your opinion, okay.

The least logical villian - Sasuke after KS arc.

And why is Obito's love any different from Kakashi's or Tsunade's exactly !? They all had traumas but they lived with it and didn't go batsh*t crazy .

 

What !? Dafuq he tried to kill Naruto by wrapping with explosive tags how is that an excuse for going after Kushina also !? Naruto would have died right then and there if it wasn't for Minato's fast reaction   Who dafuq does that to a new born baby !?

 

He learned about her choice  when he saw Rin's death  its explained  when he and Kakashi fight in the Kamui dimension , and there was nothing Kakashi could have done bc Rin was controlled by the Mist  that's why she chose to Die  there was no time for saving her .

 

Watch the resolution again  Naruto  refused to take revenge on Nagato but he still said to him that he can't forgive him for what he did .

  

Being lonely and viewed as monster by everyone and bulling you  treating you like a plague is far worse then Obito's one  he still had friends and people who cared about him that he can go back  Naruto had nothing since he was a baby bc of him  . But ok agree to disagree .

 

On that we agree  they guy for the whole story were shifting goals like a pair of socks and didn't knew WTH he wanted for most of the time he was just being a Drama Queen for a ridiculous plot    .    

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 05 February 2015 - 09:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No matter what, that line about coolest was what messed it up.

[RedFaction]

No matter what, that line about coolest was what messed it up.

I always wondered why was Obito the coolest guy in Naruto's eyes? Because he wanted to be Hokage? Okay. Then why can't Minato be the coolest guy to Naruto? I mean seriously you think a mass murderer is cooler than your own dad who actually became Hokage? What a joke.

Edited by RedFaction, 05 February 2015 - 09:04 PM.

[FireFox]

No matter what, that line about coolest was what messed it up.

It made no sens in any context  it was pure utter kitten disgusting really      .

[ichigo500]

<== this made me think about how they retconed the whole manga in the LAST 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

And why is Obito's love any different from Kakashi's or Tsunade's exactly !? They all had traumas but they lived with it and didn't go batsh*t crazy .

 

What !? Dafuq he tried to kill Naruto by wrapping with explosive tags how is that an excuse for going after Kushina also !? Naruto would have died right then and there if it wasn't for Minato's fast reaction   Who dafuq does that to a new born baby !?

 

He learned about her choice  when he saw Rin's death  its explained  when he and Kakashi fight in the Kamui dimension , and there was nothing Kakashi could have done bc Rin was controlled by the Mist  that's why she chose to Die  there was no time for saving her .

 

Watch the resolution again  Naruto  refused to take revenge on Nagato but he still said to him that he can't forgive him for what he did .

  

Being lonely and viewed as monster by everyone and bulling you  treating you like a plague is far worse then Obito's one  he still had friends and people who cared about him that he can go back  Naruto had nothing since he was a baby bc of him  . But ok agree to disagree .

 

On that we agree  they guy for the whole story were shifting goals like a pair of socks and didn't knew WTH he wanted for most of the time he was just being a Drama Queen for a ridiculous plot    .    

Because of Uchiha's pure love? lol

Because Obito had no one to come back? He already was half-dead and both of them were his only bonds that tied him up with village? Clan wasn't intrested in him. I see your point, just look at it from different point of view - Obito was not a genius of Uchiha, that's ok, he tried his best, and started to get acknowledge, but then there was a mission, when he saved Kakashi and almost died, become disabled(for a long time), his only bonds with two friends was his lifebuoy. If just came back with Hashirama's DNA in him, he would be claimed as traitor or would be used by Danzo, no normal life for him. And Kakashi took out both bonds by himself. There is always another chance, Kakashi could use sharingan of other, but he killed her, that's it.

About baby scene: He predicted that Minato would use teleport to get out, he even prepared place for Kushina's ritual. 

Oh, ok, so where did Naruto stated that he forgave Obito? 

 

And bolded that's elso a question of manga what's worse? Have no one and suffer lonelyness or have everything and lose it in one moment because of lack of streght.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I always wondered why was Obito the coolest guy in Naruto's eyes? Because he wanted to be Hokage? Okay. Then why can't Minato be the coolest guy to Naruto? I mean seriously you think a mass murderer is cooler than your own dad who actually became Hokage? What a joke.

Maybe because he saw him in him. Naruto will fail by the end, so he has to find the one guy that was supposed to be him.

"He got his love interest! Coolest guy ever!"

"He is stronger than his rival! Coolest guy ever!"

"He didn't break bonds! Coolest guy ever!"

"No shortcut! Coolest guy ever!"

"Stay true to his character! Coolest guy ever!"

[Metalhead87]

No matter what, that line about coolest was what messed it up.

 

That line. It came across so wrong lol

 

I can only presume that he meant "The Obito who wanted to become Hokage? He was the coolest!"

[RedFaction]

Maybe because he saw him in him. Naruto will fail by the end, so he has to find the one guy that was supposed to be him.

"He got his love interest! Coolest guy ever!"

"He is stronger than his rival! Coolest guy ever!"

"He didn't break bonds! Coolest guy ever!"

"No shortcut! Coolest guy ever!"

"Stay true to his character! Coolest guy ever!"

Minato won over the girl of his dreams, Kushina Uzumaki.

 

Minato became the strongest in the leaf village and because of that became Hokage.

 

Minato was one of the most respected people in the village and had many people he was close to like Jiraiya, Kakashi, Third Hokage, Kushina, etc.

 

Minato came from a common clan that had nothing special about them yet he worked his way up with determination and became the Hokage, and even died protecting the village that he loved.

 

And finally Minato was still a cool, loyal, kind, and fun person even in his adulthood.

 

Clearly Minato should have had the title of the coolest guy. Not the mass murderer Obito Uchiha.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Minato won over the girl of his dreams, Kushina Uzumaki.
 
Minato became the strongest in the leaf village and because of that became Hokage.
 
Minato was one of the most respected people in the village and had many people he was close to like Jiraiya, Kakashi, Third Hokage, Kushina, etc.
 
Minato came from a common clan that had nothing special about them yet he worked his way up with determination and became the Hokage, and even died protecting the village that he loved.
 
And finally Minato was still a cool, loyal, kind, and fun person even in his adulthood.
 
Clearly Minato should have had the title of the coolest guy. Not the mass murderer Obito Uchiha.

Hey, don't ruin the moment. Even though Obito did it himself in the very next chapter. I still can't believe that happened. That was a red flag. Everyone HATED it.

[trang95]

Hey, don't ruin the moment. Even though Obito did it himself in the very next chapter. I still can't believe that happened. That was a red flag. Everyone HATED it.

You have no idea how much I laughed when Naruto said that "coolest guy" line.

[RedFaction]

Hey, don't ruin the moment. Even though Obito did it himself in the very next chapter. I still can't believe that happened. That was a red flag. Everyone HATED it.

Obito gets it all, but Naruto gets one of the worst endings when his name is in the frickin' title of the manga. How does that make ANY sense?

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Minato won over the girl of his dreams, Kushina Uzumaki.

 

Minato became the strongest in the leaf village and because of that became Hokage.

 

Minato was one of the most respected people in the village and had many people he was close to like Jiraiya, Kakashi, Third Hokage, Kushina, etc.

 

Minato came from a common clan that had nothing special about them yet he worked his way up with determination and became the Hokage, and even died protecting the village that he loved.

 

And finally Minato was still a cool, loyal, kind, and fun person even in his adulthood.

 

Clearly Minato should have had the title of the coolest guy. Not the mass murderer Obito Uchiha.

Minato didn't suffer anything, until the very end, lol