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#181 Branden

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:30 PM

Okay, now I understand what Sasuke wants to do. To explain I'm going to make reference to the Terminator series.

 

 

Sasuke wants to become Skynet. But first, what is Skynet? Well, Skynet is a super intelligent and all powerful AI whose sole purpose is to engage in warfare against humanity. Now one might ask why Skynet hasn't defeated humanity already. The answer is simple. Skynet would never eliminate humanity because then it would have no purpose. Therefor, the only logical thing for Skynet to do is engage in a perpetual warfare with humanity in which Skynet never lets the humans get strong enough to become anywhere close to a threat but also never weakens them so much that they can't recover. In doing so Skynet inadvertently creates a common enemy that forces humans to unite together to survive.

 

There is another interpretation though. To explain I'm going to make reference to Death Note.

 

Sasuke wants to become Kira. Kira from the Death Note series was the name people gave to the phenomena that was occurring. For some unknown reason criminals and corrupt individuals were dying in huge numbers from heart attacks. People assumed this must be the work of a God and named the God Kira when in actuality it was Light Yagami who was killing people with the death note. At first Kira only killed people who had gotten away with heinous crimes like murderer and rape, but as time progressed Kira started killing anyone who was acting bad whatsoever. This includes things like stealing someone's purse or even just criticizing Kira. As a result crime in the world completely halted and all wars ended.

 

 

The fundamental flaw in either of these situations is that there will only be peace as long as Sasuke is alive and nobody can contest him. If Sasuke can devise a way to make himself immortal (perhaps with the help of Orochimaru) then he can theoretically combine the ideas of Kira and Skynet to become an all powerful overruling entity that ensures peace will last forever. And that brings us to our second problem. People change over time. Sasuke being an all powerful overlord could eventually become corrupt and simply destroy humanity because he deems them irredeemable. Because of this, there will only be peace as long as Sasuke never changes his philosophies.

 

So in order for Sasuke's plan to work he must :

1. Achieve immortality.

2. Ensure humanity is never strong enough to oppose him.

3. Ensure his philosophies never change.

 

Here's the thing though. If Sasuke is killed while doing this then Humanity will remain at peace for a while longer until time brings about a new war.

Naruto's plan on the other hand is to start at that time of peace immediately. This means that Naruto's solution is only temporary as proven by history.

 

Throughout the course of the series we have seen a few other solutions that were wiser albeit very misguided.

 

Madara's Moon Eye Plan: This was full proof idea that made huge sacrifices. In essence Madara believe that there is no hope for humanity. People will never create lasting peace and therefor should not be allowed to live. Since it's not justifiable to simply blow up the planet and kill everyone, Madara decided to allow for the remaining people on Earth to live out the rest of their lives in an eternal dreamland that responded to their own desires. To sum things up Madara wished to end the cycle of war by exterminating the human race in a kinder way.

 

Nagato's Cycle of Peace and War: This plan is quite simple. Create superweapons and give them to each nation. A massive war occurs and almost everyone dies. In the aftermath of this war people learn how terrible war is and decide to unite together to ensure such a war never occurs again. This works for only a small period of time before the generations born into peace forget the lessons of their predecessors and start up war again. Then a massive war occurs and the cycle continues. Therefor Nagato's plan was to have temporary periods of peace a midst an endless cycle of war.

 

 

Madara's plan is an exchange. He kills everyone but allows them to go to a dreamworld as compensation.

Nagato's plan is an accelerated version of the already existing cycle. He makes wars bigger and the periods of peace longer but the endless cycle of war still occurs.

 

Naurot's plan is to achieve peace right now and hope that future generations will keep it.

Sasuke's plan is to become an all powerful peacekeeper that uses force to keep humanity at peace.

 

 

Conclusion:

All of these solutions are flawed. If Kishimoto wants to answer the question of "How do you achieve lasting peace?" then he needs to have Naruto and Sasuke work together to devise an entirely new method. I can think of a few ways that can be done but chances are that Kishimoto will take the easiest most shonen-like path which is to have Naruto win and instill a temporary time of peace so that he can end the series on a high note.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:34 PM

I'm back and what I saw in this chapter is a boring bromance...I wonder sometimes,why there are so many flashcraps in this manga.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:35 PM

Some of my thoughts cause I am too lazy to type again, lol: http://www.chatte-ge...nts-naruto-693/


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:36 PM

I'm back and what I saw in this chapter is a boring bromance...I wonder sometimes,why there are so many flashcraps in this manga.

lol flashcraps that's a new one.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:37 PM

Parallel lol

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:37 PM

Well in that case, I guess even Ino's feelings are important to him...and all of Konoha 11 since he doesn't care about them either...which makes Sakura's "touching feelings" seem superfluous.

Ino?  :confused: Sasuke did once hold team seven very close to his heart. He has never cared for others the way he cared for Naruto and sometimes Sakura too. I think this is what Otaru is trying to say. We all know that Kishi will inevitably use this 'team 7 bond' as one of the influencing factors to change Sasuke's heart. 


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:37 PM

now i see that a lot of ss fans are regreting that sasuke didn't kill sakura because she must to be his most important person in the life

 

lol, just lol... ss bond is realy overstmated.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:39 PM

 

this represent much the ss' current thougths.... If Sasuke didn't kill really Sakura because he has romantic feelings for her, so why he wants to kill Naruto because he is the most dear person to him? O_o

Really guys, we overstimate this ss bond (which is important but not so important as ss fans might think).

 

geez, do are we still intention to reach 200 pages?

I do love this logic though. Apparently, the less Sasuke says he cares, the more he actually does. So he must really care about Ino, Hinata, and a lot of other girls because he never talks about them at all and doesn't even acknowledge their existence. Got it. Explains so much.
 

Ino?  :confused: Sasuke did once hold team seven very close to his heart. He has never cared for others the way he cared for Naruto and sometimes Sakura too. I think this is what Otaru is trying to say. We all know that Kishi will inevitably use this 'team 7 bond' as one of the influencing factors to change Sasuke's heart.

 

No, he cares about Naruto and that is about it. Sakura and Kakashi don't even show up on his radar and he only really acknowledges them when they attempt to talk to them. You can't sit here and tell me that he cherishes that Team 7 bond when he has repeatedly left them to die, almost killed them himself, and or treats them less than his own garbage.

To him, Sakura and Kakashi are just a joke.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:40 PM

from ms versiom, i was right... the rikudou is leaving... finally lol

 

also, i'd like to heard some ss thoughts regarding this...

 

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:42 PM

from ms versiom, i was right... the rikudou is leaving... finally lol

Lol.It's so early.He shouldn't leave cuz he still has to see N-S wedding which will happen after this fight


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:43 PM

Since this was a Sasuke-centric chapter here are few reasons why I refer to him as a psychopath: 1) He is ego-centric. 2) He's anti-social 3) He constantly seeks empowerment. 4) Almost all relationships are trivial to him, especially those of the romantic nature.5) He lacks affect in stressful situations always seeming stoic. 6) He easily can change his life's goals almost on a whim. 7) He has no qualms about using people so long as they are of some use to him. 8) He does not admit to making mistakes and does not take responsibility for said mistakes. 9) He never learns from past mistakes therefore consistently makes over and over again. These are just some of the reasons Sasuke is the way he is. The character has one warped mind.



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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:45 PM

.........you really do seriously overestimate Sasuke's "feelings." That is SS logic right there. No matter what Sasuke says, feels, or speaks of his mind...to you it is apparently not the truth and really Sasuke is the vision of what you believe he is.

Sorry, but there is no evidence to any of what you trying to put down. You base your whole view of Sasuke on an outlier.
 

No, she actually doesn't, sorry to say it James... I am not a Sasuke fan myself either, but what she said it's true and this is basically the whole point of Kishi's "Uchiha strong love". That's not SS thinking there. What SS miss is that sadly, Sakura isn't on that scale for Sasuke... But basically that's the thing.. if Uchihas allow themselves to love, if they lose someone close they get crazy... Because that's the intriguing and morally questioning idea and why some agreed with Danzo's view... sadly, they're a danger to not only themselves but population. Ok, you extinct them, but where's the humanity in that?
That is the whole conflict with the whole Uchiha massacre and clan all around, so I'm sorry to say it but she's not quite that wrong...


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:51 PM

No, she actually doesn't, sorry to say it James... I am not a Sasuke fan myself either, but what she said it's true and this is basically the whole point of Kishi's "Uchiha strong love". That's not SS thinking there. What SS miss is that sadly, Sakura isn't on that scale for Sasuke... But basically that's the thing.. if Uchihas allow themselves to love, if they lose someone close they get crazy... Because that's the intriguing and morally questioning idea and why some agreed with Danzo's view... sadly, they're a danger to not only themselves but population. Ok, you extinct them, but where's the humanity in that?
That is the whole conflict with the whole Uchiha massacre and clan all around, so I'm sorry to say it but she's not quite that wrong...

If you're going to apply this to Sakura, then you have to apply this to EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER SASUKE HAS INTERACTED WITH OR KNOWN. How many could he have loved, but not let in his life? And what does that make Team Taka who he did let in? So this whole backwards logic is "If Sasuke says he loves you, he actually hates you, but if he says he hates you, then he actually loves you."

You might as well say Ino has a strong place in his heart then by that logic or even Hinata and it would make just about as much sense as everything else. Sorry, I am not buying it. So basically, to you guys, it is impossible for Sasuke to be indifferent to people. It is impossible for Sasuke to not care even to the people he has never met. Maybe all babies that haven't been born yet. Why not? We are going radical with this anyway, so why not? Sasuke loves everyone because he wants to kill them all.



 


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:51 PM

No, he cares about Naruto and that is about it. Sakura and Kakashi don't even show up on his radar and he only really acknowledges them when they attempt to talk to them. You can't sit here and tell me that he cherishes that Team 7 bond when he has repeatedly left them to die, almost killed them himself, and or treats them less than his own garbage.

To him, Sakura and Kakashi are just a joke.

Yes, I  agree he cares about Naruto the most. But there should be no doubt that he did care for all of Team Seven once.

 

And you cannot use murder attempts to justify your point. You do realize he has tried to kill Naruto more times than either Sakura and Kakashi right?Throughout part 2, he's only mentioned one thing- " I'll kill Naruto" . He wants to kill Naruto right now. So does that mean he doesn't care about Naruto too? 


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:51 PM

so, blah-blah chapter started and ended pretty quickly..

Still expect tons of flashbacks, thoughts and screams during Sasuke vs. Naruto fight.

 

Although Sasuke is totally obsessed with idea, his confidence keeps him looking cool..

And that words about Naruto nearly being his best friend.. If only Naruto would hear that, he`d started his most powerful TnJ and there will be no fight at all. *sigh*

 

Panels with Itachi and Minato & Kushina are sooo pretty  :wow:

oh, Kakashi, what a sweetheart you are! Unfortunately, there`s nothing you can do, so keep your eyes on Sakura untill she wakes up.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:52 PM

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:55 PM

Yes, I  agree he cares about Naruto the most. But there should be no doubt that he did care for all of Team Seven once.

 

And you cannot use murder attempts to justify your point. You do realize he has tried to kill Naruto more times than either Sakura and Kakashi right?Throughout part 2, he's only mentioned one thing- " I'll kill Naruto" . He wants to kill Naruto right now. So does that mean he doesn't care about Naruto too? 

So again, Sasuke can NEVER not care. Ever. he can never be indifferent or not care about people.

If Sasuke wants to kill you, he loves you more than life itself.
If Sasuke doesn't want to kill you, he loves you more than life itself.

He wanted to destroy Konoha entirely, so I guess he loves Konoha from the very bottom of his heart. He really loves the Kages because he especially wants to kill them all.

You can't use murder attempts to justify their points either which is what people seem to be doing a lot lately. I guess this also excuses a lot of Obito had done so now no one can complain about him and I guess this makes Madara off the hook as well.
 


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 12:58 PM

I do think Sasuke cares about Kakashi and Sakura to a certain extent (although he was glad to let them fall to their deaths not long ago -_-); but it seems absurd to claim he's "touched" by Sakura's feelings for him when he mocked them in the last chapter.

 

We all know once Naruto is done with everything, Sasuke will return to the village, then Sakura and Kakashi will welcome him back with open arms. It seems to be what the movie blurb suggests as well.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 01:00 PM

So again, Sasuke can NEVER not care. Ever. he can never be indifferent or not care about people.

If Sasuke wants to kill you, he loves you more than life itself.
If Sasuke doesn't want to kill you, he loves you more than life itself.

 

You are not looking at the tenses I'm using in my posts. :confused:

 

Sasuke DID cherish the Team Seven bond once. He DID care about Sakura and Kakashi too. But that was BEFORE he chose a path different to the other members of his old team. Kishi MIGHT use this as a influencing factor in Naruto's tnj. So Sasuke MIGHT, after his redemption, start to cherish the Team Seven bond again.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 01:02 PM

You are not looking at the tenses I'm using in my posts. :confused:

 

Sasuke DID cherish the Team Seven bond once. He DID care about Sakura and Kakashi too. But that was BEFORE he chose a path different to the other members of his old team. Kishi MIGHT use this as a influencing factor in Naruto's tnj. So Sasuke MIGHT, after his redemption, start to cherish the Team Seven bond again.

 

i agree this,... it's still doesn't have with sakura's feelings... sasuke cares more about t7 bonds.


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