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[shisui]

If it was Hinata on Sakura's side, I swear the CPR would have been a kiss but when Sakura has done it why isn't it counted as a moment let alone a kiss! Just because Hinata loves Naruto and Sakura's feelings are still debated? What about Naruto's feelings? Are they pro Hinata or pro Sakura?

Of course it's a moment, but the CPR has no romantic substance, because even if their lips touched it didn't mean anything romantic. To give importance to it is the same as giving importance to the SasuNaru kiss.
 

What about the development?

What development? There was no development in the CPR moment.
 

If NH fans can still support NH and find something positive in NH when nothing practiclly even exists for NH why can't we, despite having everything?

Because we're not NaruHina fans?
 

Hey, at least I am not being so pessimistic right now and already jumping ship due to such little faith all because you are whining you didn't get exactly what you wanted. Hell, by the way half this forum acts, even when you get EXACTLY what you want it is not good enough.

That is about what, HALF of this forum at the moment? I know the mods and admins hate when I say something like this, but I mean if you hate this manga so much or don't like the way it is going....stop reading it. You don't have to buy it or follow it. It is your choice.

I'm not jumping ship nor am I losing hope. What I shipped before this chapter is the same as what I'm shipping right now. Like I told you, I called this. My feelings on the manga are the same as they were beforehand as well. I don't dislike it more today than disliked it yesterday.

I'm just pointing out that NaruSaku got nothing out of this situation, despite there being many expectations otherwise. Even you, who said you're okay with this situation and it was the most logical, are saying that something major for the pairing happened off panel because deep inside you can't accept that nothing happened. Which brings us to, the majority of the its no big deal crowd are doing damage control to make themselves feel better.

Parallels don't equate to jack squat, it just establishes the similarities between two people, not to mention the fact that most people called it before it's actually been established. When Naruto & Sakura have a heart-to-heart conversation, will you be thanking the parallels for progressing their relationship or the characters themselves?

This is my stance on this.

And another thing, even if by some chance kishi decides to have a flashback of Naruto waking up, I personally wouldn't be too happy about it. As of lately it seems whenever there's a NS moment it has to be paralleled up with its less attractive "counter part". It just feels like SK is invading our exclusivity, after all, everything must be paralleled up now. Hopefully this tiresome trend will end once NS is two or three chapters away from becoming official. It kinda reminds me of Superman and Bizzaro.

And this too.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 09 April 2014 - 06:26 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hey, at least I am not being so pessimistic right now and already jumping ship due to such little faith all because you are whining you didn't get exactly what you wanted. Hell, by the way half this forum acts, even when you get EXACTLY what you want it is not good enough.

I know the mods and admins hate when I say something like this, but I mean if you hate this manga so much or don't like the way it is going....stop reading it. You don't have to buy it or follow it. It is your choice. And please, spare me the whole "Well, you're just delusional" speech because it is not going to work on me. I could say you are just delusional from being too negative all the time.

Because i read that for more than 8 years, and being honest despite having the will to drop the series(because of bad writing and that every week kishi does inconsistences) i want to see the ending and understand how it get there.
It takes only two minutes or less than it to read every chapter in a week.
 

I believe a strong feeling that something will be revealed related to this down the road. I feel it because Kishi has done it before and chances are he will keep doing it til the very end.

This is one thing NH have that we don't. Sure they may be delusional from time to time, but at least they are optimistic.

NT: Damage Control

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2014 - 06:36 PM.

[sushi.]

^Kishi not only parallels characters, but relationships too. Then it means more than jack squat.

 

Of course instead of saying parallels don't mean anything, we can divide the supportive narrative and the actual relationship.

[rocci]

Naruto developement already done in part one.
In part 2 it's sakura developement.
No conflict(issue) -> no screen time -> no battle scene.

Kishi will finish sakura conflict in this arc. And then finish her romantic subplot in the next arc.(along with narusasu).

I feel the 615 meltdown again.

[al0eaz]

I havent seen a chapter thread jump this many threads in a long time!

 

As for my two cents:

 

I am super disappointed that we didnt get much of a narusaku moment. On the flip side, like many have said before me, kishi does re-visit previous scenes at later points in time. Perhaps we will get some sort of a flashback to what happened when Naruto woke up. Looking at the page again we get Karin saying "Sasukeh!" as if she is surprised that he wakes up. While we get Sakura saying "Naruto..." This can be taken a few different ways depending on how you look at it and how much of a scene you want to make of it. Personally I'll count this as a small narusaku moment. I'm really hoping that its re-visited later and if it is, I'm sure it will be to a very dramatic, cliff hanger event. (While else save an emotional moment like that?) 

 

I really like Kakashi as a kid. I find that I can really relate to him, as I was much of the same way growing up. That being said I didnt have a lot of friends, nor did I really care because the few friends I did have I am still close with today. (Much like Kakashi and Gai) Seeing Gai's "final" move was pretty cool and really made the chapter worth the read for me. I was really impressed he hurt Madara that much. Why the move is called the "night moth" when it looks like some sort of dragon, I am not sure but it was fairly cool nonetheless. 

 

Naruto kicking the black ball (I cant remember what its actually called) out of the way, football style was really cool. I was under the impression that it could kill you if it touches you though, so Naruto obviously has some kind of power up allowing him to touch it. He also gave life back to Gai. I'm not really sure what he did, but it looked like he might have gave him chakra? Or something else. I'm not too savvy on what the gates actually do to the body, besides destroy it. Whatever Naruto did, it was very much like re-igniting a flame. It was also cool to see sage eyes mixed with the nine-tails eyes. 

 

I apologize for any spelling mistakes. I wrote this with pre-work out in my system and I am still all over the place. I havent quite worked it all out of my body yet. ^>^

[Rozette]

Of course it's a moment, but the CPR has no romantic substance, because even if their lips touched it didn't mean anything romantic. To give importance to it is the same as giving importance to the SasuNaru kiss.
 

What development? There was no development in the CPR moment.

 

I have to disagree that the CPR had no romantic substance- it was a very passionate, intimate moment. There's a reason why Kishimoto chose not to show Tsunade, Shizune or anyone else performing the CPR. This was THE reason why Kishimoto made Sakura a medical ninja, for that very moment, so that SHE could be his heart and lungs when he had nothing else. 

 

While everyone else could just stand there or trip over rocks, Sakura reached him and had his precious life in her hands. It was in that moment that she realized his dream was the most important thing to her and that she was going to help him get there no matter the cost. That was the development that occurred, it was the peak of her actions as a medical ninja.

 

It's the relationship between them that created a special atmosphere when their lips touched. It wasn't too long ago that Sakura felt she could only do the smallest of things for Naruto.. well, just then she was giving him life. And on top of that, it was her feelings and thoughts about Naruto in that moment that truly mattered, as Yamato said.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I have to disagree that the CPR had no romantic substance- it was a very passionate, intimate moment. There's a reason why Kishimoto chose not to show Tsunade, Shizune or anyone else performing the CPR. This was THE reason why Kishimoto made Sakura a medical ninja, for that very moment, so that SHE could be his heart and lungs when he had nothing else. 
 
While everyone else could just stand there or trip over rocks, Sakura reached him and had his precious life in her hands. It was in that moment that she realized his dream was the most important thing to her and that she was going to help him get there no matter the cost. That was the development that occurred, it was the peak of her actions as a medical ninja.
 
It's the relationship between them that created a special atmosphere when their lips touched. It wasn't too long ago that Sakura felt she could only do the smallest of things for Naruto.. well, just then she was giving him life. And on top of that, it was her feelings and thoughts about Naruto in that moment that truly mattered, as Yamato said.

Am I seeing a romantization of the CPR scene?
I dont think it happened the way you're describing, Sakura was very cold( not on the negative undertones) but she sshowed she was a strong prepared medic, Sakura did her job well as a medic, she wanst going to save him mostly because she was his friend, she didnt had a emotional breakdown or let her feelings take the best of her, she didnt hesitated on opening Naruto's chest neither giving a CPR.

"also the "she realized that his dream is the most important thing to her"", gotta be honest here, i didnt see it, she obviously values Naruto's dream but i dont think she saved his life because she "realized" that, she was telling that mostly to Naruto to be strong now that he's close to be kage, Naruto wasnt dead at that time, he was alive but uncouncious.

The last part i felt like it's sarcasm for some reason i didnt see any feelings during the CPR which it was a let down to me, there was no thoughts about the fact it was a kiss or something like that, it was simply skipped i think.
To end up she didnt had any resolution on that scene, you're making an assumption.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2014 - 07:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why I get the feeling we are about to get a civil war. Seriously, how much low and high pedastal can you do with a character or two. It's like pick none because all are equal grounds. But hey, if anime is SO convincing, fine, be my guest. Anyway, got to go for now.

[shisui]

Don't excuse bad writing.

I have to disagree that the CPR had no romantic substance- it was a very passionate, intimate moment. There's a reason why Kishimoto chose not to show Tsunade, Shizune or anyone else performing the CPR. This was THE reason why Kishimoto made Sakura a medical ninja, for that very moment, so that SHE could be his heart and lungs when he had nothing else.

While everyone else could just stand there or trip over rocks, Sakura reached him and had his precious life in her hands. It was in that moment that she realized his dream was the most important thing to her and that she was going to help him get there no matter the cost. That was the development that occurred, it was the peak of her actions as a medical ninja.

It's the relationship between them that created a special atmosphere when their lips touched. It wasn't too long ago that Sakura felt she could only do the smallest of things for Naruto.. well, just then she was giving him life. And on top of that, it was her feelings and thoughts about Naruto in that moment that truly mattered, as Yamato said.

You are misunderstanding what I said. I didn't say the CPR moment isn't powerful. It is a very, very powerful scene. What I said is that it doesn't bring anything new for the romance between Naruto and Sakura.

Sakura's words are the same as the Chunin exams, and she wasn't in love with him then. Her new found determination has nothing to do with her romantic feelings, but about her as a character and her skills as a medic.

NaruSaku got nothing out of it, especially when Naruto didn't even react to it.

[LadyGT]

Don't excuse bad writing.


You are misunderstanding what I said. I didn't say the CPR moment isn't powerful. It is a very, very powerful scene. What I said is that it doesn't bring anything new for the romance between Naruto and Sakura.

Sakura's words are the same as the Chunin exams, and she wasn't in love with him then. Her new found determination has nothing to do with her romantic feelings, but about her as a character and her skills as a medic.

NaruSaku got nothing out of it, especially when Naruto didn't even react to it.

I don't think he knows what happened while he was almost dead. Just like when he woke up after Yamato's speech.

[Hanabi]

just going to leave this here..

 

compared to 

 

Edited by Hanabi, 09 April 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[Nostradamus]

just going to leave this here..

This is so much better than the "moment" we just got.

 

 

Edit: Oh Yeah that's exactly what I want. A flashback that's going to fix everything.

Edited by Nostradamus, 09 April 2014 - 08:40 PM.

[Hanabi]

do you really think we won't have a flashback?

"oh hi sakura obito let's go"

[Baiken]

I don't think he knows what happened while he was almost dead. Just like when he woke up after Yamato's speech.

And I'm honestly tired of that kitten tbh...like the dude's completely oblivious to nearly everything Sakura does. Seriously doubt that's ever going to be addressed. Maybe it's for the best though; knowing Naruto, he'd probably end up making a joke out of the CPR, he seems like the type. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's a bit funny on how one wants to claim he's/she's right or wrong. Hell, I don't even think I'm right or wrong. What I do know is it's my opinion. Dictatorship is the sense I got. Some come out saying an opinion who I won't name and some come out saying a "fact" who I won't name. That's how I see it. Also, don't bother quoting me. I won't respond. I'm only throwing my two cents.

[Branden]

Wow, people are freaking out over nothing. It's like just because one potential moment was missed it ruins everything else leading up to it. Nothing was wrong with the way it was done. The most important thing is the fight with Madara and guy. We didn't need a narusaku moment especially after 662-663. It would have been nice, but not needed. Seeing Sakura teared up a little and relieved and happy is enough for me. I just Madara to die

I completely agree. This pairing is already set in stone IMO so what we really need now is a proper resolution to the main story. Honestly I don't want anymore pairing moments at this point unless it means serious development.

[Nostradamus]

I think this pretty much sums it up:

[KnS]

Consistency, we hardly knew thee.

 

LOL.  Well, one thing is consistent:  the tendency of fans to go on a rampage and rip out each other's throats over a chapter.  

 

So we've got that going for us.  Which is nice.  

 

As of lately it seems whenever there's a NS moment it has to be paralleled up with its less attractive "counter part". It just feels like SK is invading our exclusivity

 

I couldn't get on board with the rest of what you had written, but this part?  I agree completely.  

 

^Kishi not only parallels characters, but relationships too. Then it means more than jack squat.

 

Of course instead of saying parallels don't mean anything, we can divide the supportive narrative and the actual relationship.

 

Well said, sushi.   

 

Parallels are used to assist reader inference and imply authorial intent.  They do not, in and of themselves, constitute development.  However, just because they do not generate specific development in a given moment does not mean they are irrelevant or meaningless,

[Nate River]

I completely agree. This pairing is already set in stone IMO so what we really need now is a proper resolution to the main story. Honestly I don't want anymore pairing moments at this point unless it means serious development.

Personally, I don't a crap either way. If we get one, great. If not, that's fine too. I only want 2 things:

(1) I want the writing not to suck.

(2) For him to go back in time and stop himself from creating Team Not Seven.
 

do you really think we won't have a flashback?
"oh hi sakura obito let's go"

Yeah, I'm expecting him to go back for that set of crutches again.
 

LOL. Well, one thing is consistent: the tendency of fans to go on a rampage and rip out each other's throats over a chapter.

Where would the fun be without the carnage? No fun in sitting around agreeing (and being...nn...iiii..ccccc...I can'tdo it) with each other.

[Gojira]

I'll just repost what I said in the other threads since its relevant

I'm disappointed I'm really starting to get the impression that NS is getting more and more vague as the series progresses, starting by the beginning of Part 2 until now all the moments have been dying down, even Sakura seems to be consistently less concerned, during the Sai/Sasuke arc the entire time they were searching for Sasuke not once did we see her think about it because she loves him but because of how she knew how close he was to Naruto, during the Rescue Gaara arc she cried simply being aware that jinchuuriki's die when the bijuu is removed, the when the main character actually does die a set-up that should be the most emotional for her now....she doesn't shed a single tear. This entire war arc and kage summit arc with Sakura has revolved solely around Sasuke and how much she misses him and feels about what he has become, all the development and chemistry made between naruto and Sakura throughout part 2 seems pointless if she still hasn't shown any form of acknowledgement of her feelings for him. At this point I'm starting to wonder if she actually does love him or if the Yamato statement is now just gonna be considered outdated bs.

I will say that another Sakura/Karin parallel was a nice touch. Now at this point NS seems inevitable, if Sakura were to end up with Sasuke or Hinata were to end up with Naruto it would kind of throw the parallal Kishi's going for her all out of whack.

I really like how relieved and happy Sakura looked, though. That smile and expression. She's even tearing up.

I really hope that Naruto somehow finds out Sakura's efforts to keep him alive, it would be great. Though considering all of the previous chapters and moments of Sakura -> Naruto, I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.

...But he found out that Obito revived him, so.. If he comments on that and never finds out about Sakura (or if he does but doesn't say anything) I won't be pleased haha.

She's tearing up? where? I didn't see anything.

Edited by Pepsi, 09 April 2014 - 09:32 PM.