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[redragon88]

 

There is nothing wrong with it, it is Naruto's character but there has been a speech every single chapter. Obito says something about the world being a black hole and Naruto talks about how he wont let him kill his friends.  It getting very annoying.

 

That's an issue with the speeches in general, and that I can understand. I don't mind them but I get that people would want them to stop so the plot can go faster.

 

The problem is that people had issue with Naruto's particular answer this time "It's my ninja way" and said that he should've answered differently, which to me doesn't make any sense. That answer made complete sense coming from Naruto.

[sushi.]

^Because since Obito's questions to Naruto had been repeated countless times, I somehow expected it to be different this time. "Maybe this time it will actually change something", "or be for story progression".

 

Then..the same as always, his ninjaway. Yeah, Naruto we get that it's your ninjaway. -- now please make a successful attack.

 

In the next chapter I actually want Obito to answer to Naruto's "ninja way". Because that will reveal how (un?)affected he is by it and I don't want the speeches to be cut off.

Edited by sushi., 08 October 2013 - 10:59 PM.

[Kster95]

The only thing I am waiting for is Kakashi and his interaction with Sakura, Minato and Sasuke. 

[morgaine4]

There's also the fact that once Naruto said, "because that's my ninja way," I immediately thought of Hinata and connected it to her standing up during her fight with Neji :- /  I don't think its a hint for NaruHina or anything silly like that, it just made an already underwhelming answer slightly more irritating to me.

 

At least Naruto was showing the same resolve and determination that he used to.

 

I completely agree with NS4L3G - Naruto and Sasuke's attack is not going to succeed, or at least, not succeed completely, in the third chapter of this volume.

 

While I agree it was a bit underwhelming, I still liked Naruto's answer because it was "base-level" Naruto, it was the Naruto who Sasuke knew, and I thought that the drawing of Sasuke (with his eyes closed, back hunched) indicated that it actually affected Sasuke.  And, I guess it didn't bother me because I fully expect he'll give an extra special (*ahem* sentimental *ahem*) TnJ when the time is right, lol.

 

 

Oh dear.

 

Let people hate who they want, I know the Sakura-hate is very mainstream. But I come to H&E because I want to stay away from it.

 

Same, but sometimes it feels as if there's quite a bit of Sakura hate/anger towards Sakura even here.

 

 

I had a thought just now. We know that it's possible for frogs and snakes to fuse with humans. Granting them the ability to mould sage chakra even as they're fighting. The only animal from the animal trinity that we have yet to see do this is the slug or Katsuyu. Now given what we understand of the slugs and their ability to incorporate humans into their body, is it possible that a regular human could fuse with Katsuyu as she (technically "it" but I'm starting to prefer the gender pronouns) at 100% full size? We know that she can meld with people regardless of their height, but I'm curious to see if fusion with the entire slug wouldn't be possible. What would the effects be like for the human? 

 

Unofficial but widely used gender neutral pronouns in English: "zhe, zher, zhim." =)

 

As to the rest of your post...who knows?  Haha, I still don't quite understand how Katsuyu covers humans to protect them in the first place, while she covers them, is the human put into a coma or are they aware of what's going on?

 

 

One thing I wanna say... I love how logic just flies over the haters/antis. The constant comparison between Sakura and Tsunade is ridiculous.

1. She gets called a noob because she was struggling to save Shikamaru.

-lets completely disregard the fact that Shikamaru had been DRAINED of his chakra. Then there's the fact that Tsunade seemed to hsve finished him up after Naruto and Sakura so of course, who's to say how difficult it would of been for the likes of Tsunade. Its so ridiculous that these individuals choose to be extreem critical of her. She's grown a lot and she's proving her worth in this war. For someone to question Tsunades strength as a kage level individual just to knock Sakura baffles the hell out of me. Let's downplay anything Sakura related.

I still can't believe she has that technique. She's pretty much a damn tank now. I hope we see her go all put now. Here's to hoping!

 

I'm so in love with this post!

 

Seeing Sakura fight side by side with Tsunade, the daughter of the Senju and the Uzumaki (two of the most powerful clans ever), the granddaughter of a god of the Shinobi AND the granddaughter of a woman capable of sealing complete-Kurama into HERSELF was absolutely amazing.  From a writing perspective I still want Sakura to surpass Tsunade in some way, it would seem incomplete and lazy if that didn't happen.  But honestly, while I would love for that to happen for Sakura, the fact that she --a "nobody" from a "nobody" clan-- has come so far is incredible.  I don't care about how much she's underestimated.  She lives in a world in which genetic inheritance is everything, having a Kekkei Genkai, having access to secret clan techniques from birth, being born with immense chakra etc etc but still she has come so far that she is on par (or is almost on par) with someone like Tsunade --at 17-- an all because of her drive and determination, her loyalty and her capacity to love/have compassion/feel empathy, her intelligence, her ability to memorize.  It's fraking amazing, she and Lee are exceptions to the rule, examples that even in a world in which DNA is everything hard work can mean so much more.  So many people in the fandom (even in here) like to dismiss her as "only a medical ninja" "only support," but it's OK; it's just evidence of tunnel vision, a result of ignoring just how important it would be in that society to have that sort of support.  Sakura has come so far from being the kunoichi with no special talents, and seeing how far she has already come was definitely feels inducing for me.

 

And, OK I squealed a bit when I noticed that the power of Sakura's chakra when releasing the seal pushed back her bangs.  I still expect a resolution to chapter 3, that her bangs will fall forward again, but it almost comes off as if when her seal released, her forehead, the source of some of her bullying, refuses to remain covered up.  It's a bit silly, I know, but I liked it. ;)

 

 

 

Can you actually blame them? that chapter was rather terrible for Sakura, if I do say so myself. Instead of using the occasion to close the gap between her and Tsunade, Kishi widened it instead. It felt completely nonsensical from a story telling viewpoint.

 

I disagree, showing that Sakura was capable of battling on par with Tsunade and that Tsunade had no doubts of Sakura's abilities closed the gap.  It's the same technique that Kishi used with Naruto, he had Naruto fight beside the Hokage to eventually show in what way he surpassed them, so now he's having Sakura fight beside Tsunade and there's a chance that he'll eventually show in what way she has surpassed Tsunade (or he might not, it really depends).  Plus the fact that her seal release was low key to me indicates that we'll see something more.  But to each zher own, and I'm probably wrong.  =)

 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with it, it is Naruto's character but there has been a speech every single chapter. Obito says something about the world being a black hole and Naruto talks about how he wont let him kill his friends.  It getting very annoying.

 

But the way it happened this chapter was different than the other speeches.  Naruto didn't need someone to inspire him, to life him up, this was his own answer and at this point it's pretty obvious that Naruto will have a different, more specific answer later --when it's time for the TnJ.

 

 

 

That's an issue with the speeches in general, and that I can understand. I don't mind them but I get that people would want them to stop so the plot can go faster.

 

The problem is that people had issue with Naruto's particular answer this time "It's my ninja way" and said that he should've answered differently, which to me doesn't make any sense. That answer made complete sense coming from Naruto.

 

Yes, I agree with you.  Naruto's answer was very in character for Naruto and anything else would have felt unlike him unless it was the final TnJ.  Naruto isn't a thinker, he's not deep in that way, he's simple, straightforward, and a bit oblivious --I'm not bashing him, that's just who he is, he's extremely innocent in that way.  He'll give a different answer when it's time to TnJ, it's just not that time yet.  I guess I understand that some expect or want it to be different this time, but it'll only be different the final time, when Obito is actually converted.

 

Naruto is creative in battle, he thinks philosophically when he's forced to, but in general he has a innocent obliviousness that'll result in his choosing the easiest answer, the fastest answer.  It's what I adore about him, despite the over-power Gary Stu he's become.

Edited by morgaine4, 09 October 2013 - 02:51 AM.

[sushi.]

I understand Naruto's answer won't be different until it's time for TnJ, but the question shouldn't even be raised at all - before the time is right.

 

That would be best, but now that Obito already asked, I criticized the answer. The question should be criticized too, actually.

[Inferno180]

Anyway, I am waiting for the raws on Friday to know exactly the translation about the Byakugou part... Some people keep claiming that she cannot use it, she just released the seal, when Tsunade damn specified that they'll use Byakugo.

 

People, geez..

 

If one thing was proven this chapter, its that the seals Sakura and Tsunade have can draw different amounts of power from the seal. Ranging from something minor like when Tsunade activiated her regeneration to withstand the etheral transmission from Mabui, to max power against Madara. If anything the release was only on their foreheads so one could assume that Sakura and Tsunade only marginally needed the power for their summoning of a larger Katsuyu. One thing is proven though, unlike the other summons Katsuyu though is dependent on one holding the seal, not a summoning contract. This still leaves many questions surrounding Mito's symbol and Hashirama's sage mode though.

[rocci]

@jake
That's why I said there will be a training arc, to give naruto on panel training, sasuke off panel asspull, and sakura off panel training to gain ssm or elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu or both.
I think.

[morgaine4]

I understand Naruto's answer won't be different until it's time for TnJ, but the question shouldn't even be raised at all - before the time is right.

 

That would be best, but now that Obito already asked, I criticized the answer. The question should be criticized too, actually.

 

Fair enough, and I don't disagree that the exchange as a whole was unnecessary, especially since we know that another conversation is coming up.  But I do think --or hope-- that it was important that this conversation was between Obito and Naruto, that we didn't have another 3rd party speech, I hope that it's an indication that things actually are moving (or will be soon enough).

[TouKen4Life3g]

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[Hiraishin]

And, OK I squealed a bit when I noticed that the power of Sakura's chakra when releasing the seal pushed back her bangs.  I still expect a resolution to chapter 3, that her bangs will fall forward again, but it almost comes off as if when her seal released, her forehead, the source of some of her bullying, refuses to remain covered up.  It's a bit silly, I know, but I liked it. ;)

A lot of people think that Sakura's bangs being kind of messed up is a sign that the bench scene will be resolved, but I'm not so sure. Her bangs have been shown to fall forward, then a couple chapters later look normal again, then fall forward again a few chapters later, then look normal again, and so on. Kishi's just weird lol. Not that I don't think the bench scene will be resolved, because I definitely do—I'm just not sure whether the position of her bangs itself indicates so. Maybe Naruto will compliment Sakura's forehead when her bangs are normal, or perhaps like you said, her bangs will fall forward again and Naruto will brush them away like some people are predicting. 
Either way, I just want to see that scene, ha!
 

I disagree, showing that Sakura was capable of battling on par with Tsunade and that Tsunade had no doubts of Sakura's abilities closed the gap.  It's the same technique that Kishi used with Naruto, he had Naruto fight beside the Hokage to eventually show in what way he surpassed them, so now he's having Sakura fight beside Tsunade and there's a chance that he'll eventually show in what way she has surpassed Tsunade (or he might not, it really depends).  Plus the fact that her seal release was low key to me indicates that we'll see something more.  But to each zhis own, and I'm probably wrong.  =)

I think he was talking about when Tsunade healed Shikamaru.

 

Naruto is creative in battle, he thinks philosophically when he's forced to, but in general he has a innocent obliviousness that'll result in his choosing the easiest answer, the fastest answer.  It's what I adore about him, despite the over-power Gary Stu he's become.

Ditto.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 09 October 2013 - 12:07 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

While I agree it was a bit underwhelming, I still liked Naruto's answer because it was "base-level" Naruto, it was the Naruto who Sasuke knew, and I thought that the drawing of Sasuke (with his eyes closed, back hunched) indicated that it actually affected Sasuke.  And, I guess it didn't bother me because I fully expect he'll give an extra special (*ahem* sentimental *ahem*) TnJ when the time is right, lol.

 

Yes he was affected, Sasuke was used to use the same fallacy to justify his actions ("you never have parents so you dont understand me you intruder") by visiting Naruto's memories on that chapter and also by hearing Obito telling him that Naruto was betrayed by his village and even by Sasuke.

It wont be a fight where Sasuke will say infinite times, at least wont be a fight where every chapter Sasuke will say " you dont understand me", "shut up", "you dont know what is [Insert fallacy here]".

At least they will understand each other just the goals will be different.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 October 2013 - 12:15 AM.

[megi]

I meant the Byakugo no jutsu itself. Because by the way it was said and as well, drawn, the technique is partially active. Dunno, anyway, I am quite confused at the moment because I am speely and I can't think properly.

 

Okay Chatte, I check with a few sources of mine and many agree that Tsunade is saying that both Sakura and herself are byakugo no jutsu users. Of course nothing is for sure until raws come out. 

 

Also, I just noticed this - both Tsunade and Sakura are summoning with their left hand - I thought Tsunade summons Katsuyu with her right am I wrong?

[sushi.]

 

Fair enough, and I don't disagree that the exchange as a whole was unnecessary, especially since we know that another conversation is coming up.  But I do think --or hope-- that it was important that this conversation was between Obito and Naruto, that we didn't have another 3rd party speech, I hope that it's an indication that things actually are moving (or will be soon enough).

This particurlar conversation may or may not have been in vain, we might see next chapter. Maybe Obito needs an x amount of speeches before they are all hammered in his head, or maybe it will provoke him enough to attack.

 

I think we are really near the climax now. Everybody that needs to be there just arrived, the tree is up and Sakura and Tsunade just released their respective seals. There is also a foreshadowing about the upcoming TnJ and spesifically what it'll be about. I think it will be triggered by a tragic turning of the tides in the war, which is common in climaxes.

 

I hope I'm right.

[StriderC]

Okay Chatte, I check with a few sources of mine and many agree that Tsunade is saying that both Sakura and herself are byakugo no jutsu users. Of course nothing is for sure until raws come out. 
 
Also, I just noticed this - both Tsunade and Sakura are summoning with their left hand - I thought Tsunade summons Katsuyu with her right am I wrong?

I thought it was a partial byakugo no jutsu since the release resembles that of her second form. Just not covering her entire body.

Anyway, I'd love it of Sakura intercepts an attack and releases the jutsu completely while giving some epic speech after Obito THINKS she's down for the count. I'd love it to bits.

Anyway, lets all take a moment to let it sink in. Sakura has the jutsu that the likes of Madara praised before. One of the ultimate regenerative techniques and what makes this feat even more amazing is the fact that she IS a regular girl and she's only 17. To obtain all of these feats without some crazy training method, and over such a period of time still makes me proud to be a Sakura fan. She's really something.

Morgaine!

I'm with you in hoping she surpasses Tsunade In the manga. I just wonder how she'd do it if she did.

[Inferno180]

it may not seem like Sakura or tsunade would assist in breaking down the tree, but well just think of this,

 

The puddle of slug jucie to heal everyone acting as a safe zone, we don't know if the technique must be maintained by someone actively or if Katsuyu can hold it herself as the puddle. What I mean is, are both medical ninja needed to hold it, only 1, or will because they have a safezone to heal others, will Sakura and tsunade finally join the fight again?

 

all 3 remain possible.

[StriderC]

It's like Kishi has set up the necessary steps to make the parallel work without it killing off Sakura if he chooses to go that route. She can now survive a fatal blow and heal it back up. I hope she and Tsunade don't remain there healing the fodder who likely won't be doing too much. I want to see her and the rookied in action along with some of the sensei!

[redragon88]

Also, I just noticed this - both Tsunade and Sakura are summoning with their left hand - I thought Tsunade summons Katsuyu with her right am I wrong?

 

Maybe Tsunade is ambidextrous.

[Jake]

@jake
That's why I said there will be a training arc, to give naruto on panel training, sasuke off panel asspull, and sakura off panel training to gain ssm or elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu or both.
I think.

 

Sakura is a medical-nin her primary focus is to heal even now with the Alliance healthy her priority is to supply chakra and heal their wounds, Sakura's goal is to prove that she has surpassed Tsunade, and Tsunade doesn't have any Elemantal Ninjutsu or any Ninjutsu at all besides Medical Ninjutsu and the Summoning Jutsu. and it's the same with Genjutsu, as a Medic she has other priorities than to maintain a Genjutsu. which would undoubtedly hinder her ability to heal others, unless you think that only Taka and Orochimaru will get wounded in the fight.

[Shadow1275]

Decent chapter overall. Sakura and Tsunade killing it with the Byakouyo seal was awesome, and so was Kakashi. At least there was some action, but Idk how I feel about Obito wanting to "believe Naruto". I mean, its been a while since we've had a true villain in the series who didn't get TNJ'ed into submission. Oh well, looks like Orochimaru won't dissapoint at least.

[morgaine4]

A lot of people think that Sakura's bangs being kind of messed up is a sign that the bench scene will be resolved, but I'm not so sure. Her bangs have been shown to fall forward, then a couple chapters later look normal again, then fall forward again a few chapters later, then look normal again, and so on. Kishi's just weird lol. Not that I don't think the bench scene will be resolved, because I definitely do—I'm just not sure whether the position of her bangs itself indicates so. Maybe Naruto will compliment Sakura's forehead when her bangs are normal, or perhaps like you said, her bangs will fall forward again and Naruto will brush them away like some people are predicting. 
Either way, I just want to see that scene, ha!
 

 

He's been a bit sloppy about it, though I guess showing that Sakura's been active and that her bangs have been moving around.  Just considering the way character designs work, to me it just seems significant that Kishi would take the chance to temporarily change Sakura's design --and an important portion of her design.  I mean, Ino has bangs too that could easily get messy, but her hair is in place.

 

 

I think he was talking about when Tsunade healed Shikamaru.

 

 

 

Hmm, perhaps, but he did say this chapter?

 

 

 

Okay Chatte, I check with a few sources of mine and many agree that Tsunade is saying that both Sakura and herself are byakugo no jutsu users. Of course nothing is for sure until raws come out. 

 

Also, I just noticed this - both Tsunade and Sakura are summoning with their left hand - I thought Tsunade summons Katsuyu with her right am I wrong?

 

I thought Tsunade used her left hand, and Sakura used her right before?  I remember discussing that when the Sannin summoned together back in part 1 they all used their left, and when Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke summoned recently they all used their right (and some were upset because before that Sasuke always summoned snakes with his left or something).  Was it established before that the hand matters?  I can't remember.

 

 

It's like Kishi has set up the necessary steps to make the parallel work without it killing off Sakura if he chooses to go that route. She can now survive a fatal blow and heal it back up. I hope she and Tsunade don't remain there healing the fodder who likely won't be doing too much. I want to see her and the rookied in action along with some of the sensei!

 

The thing is, Kishi isn't subtle about this kind of set-up.

 

I remember back during the Sound and Sand's invasion of Konoha, I thought it was super-significant that Naruto wasn't around to watch the Hokage battle.  Yes, he was busy converting his foil, but it seemed to me that it was significant that the boy who wanted to surpass the Hokage wasn't around to view the prowess of the previous Hokage.  It indicated to me that the Hokage would be back somehow, that Naruto would either get to see them fight or fight alongside them to show that he has surpassed them, but I thought that that would be too easy...but it happened (not to mention, the fact that Hiruzen stopped Orochimaru from 'summoning' Minato --or just The 4th-- back then was at that time IMO the biggest hint that Naruto's hero the 4th was related to Naruto somehow, father, grandfather, uncle...somehow).  Now we have Sakura fighting alongside Tsunade, in such a way that Tsunade is so comfortable, so confident in Sakura's ability that she doesn't even question "will you be able to do it, you just stored enough chakra for the seal, are you up to it?"  Tsunade knows that even if Sakura just finished the seal, her understanding of the theory is so advanced that she can do it, she has no doubt, this offers perfect venue to show that Sakura has surpassed Tsunade in some way.  What that way is, who knows?  I've said it before, I would love for Kishi to go really science-y and expand upon the difference between Sakura and Tsunade's regeneration.  Either making it so that Sakura doesn't have to worry about a shortened lifespan because she reverses damage on a cellular damage rather than increasing the speech of healing, or because she had somehow coded into her seal some sort of Carnosine therapy, thus preventing telomere shortening and increasing Sakura's hayflick limit.  Aside from that, on a systematic level, Sakura could figure out ways to teach seals on a basic level to all ninja, to increase teamwork/team connectedness, to be some sort of emergency first aid in the case that a medic isn't around, and/or she could better their society's mental health facilities.  The shinobi world has nothing, but something is needed.  Throughout the manga we're introduced to people who are on some level negatively affected mentally (even though these are played as jokes we even have Tsunade with her gambling and alcoholism, Jiraiya with his open perversion/harassment, Kakashi with his almost extreme social awkwardness and closet perversion).  I just think there are so many possibilities, many more than what I've come up with, it would be a shame if Kishi doesn't do something with Sakura.

 

 

 

Sakura is a medical-nin her primary focus is to heal even now with the Alliance healthy her priority is to supply chakra and heal their wounds, Sakura's goal is to prove that she has surpassed Tsunade, and Tsunade doesn't have any Elemantal Ninjutsu or any Ninjutsu at all besides Medical Ninjutsu and the Summoning Jutsu. and it's the same with Genjutsu, as a Medic she has other priorities than to maintain a Genjutsu. which would undoubtedly hinder her ability to heal others, unless you think that only Taka and Orochimaru will get wounded in the fight.

 

Several times I've wondered why medics didn't use genjutsu as some sort of anesthetic when healing severe wounds.  It would be a good way to remove the pain individuals they're healing are experiencing.  It would make sense, genjutsu-users and medical-nins have the same requirements --lots of intelligence.