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[Fyuria'sLeo]

 

WHOA! LEO!!!! Sup man?

 

Oh, now that you mention it... I wonder how the 9 kages will play a role now.

 

It's been awhile hasn't it, hope life it treating you well.

 

And I'm hoping they pull something amazing off, i'd like to see them be the line of defense that protects Naruto though seeing how it's Naruto he'll probably not enjoy the fact that he's being guarded.

[Phantom_999]

Hi!!! Long time no see Leo!! 
 

Hence the reasoning behind my responce to the other poster. Kishimoto never provided much exposition as to the specifics behind the Rinnegan's emergence in a Sharingan. The extent of our understanding for the doujutsu is that they are biologically related to Rikudou Sennin and that various evolutionary transformations can be attained under specific circumstances relating to the psychological predilection that all Uchiha have or through artificial implementation. Everything else like the nature behind Madara's Rinnegan awakening so late into his life is unknown.

Well I say he can always have a kid who gains it. If he marries Karin

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 July 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I see it more like Obito is targeting all of them, but Naruto will be on par with him sometime after and possibly others helping him.

Actually, I think Obito is after Naruto or more like Juubi is after Naruto because of what it saw (the new God?). Think about it, Obito was showcasing his power, yet after all that, he went where Naruto is located. So yeah, it seems like Naruto is his target and whoever gets in the way will die before him, hence attacking Hokages. I smell OVA 2011 incoming.

[sushi.]

 

WHOA! LEO!!!! Sup man?

 

Oh, now that you mention it... I wonder how the 9 kages will play a role now.

The only thing the human Kages can do is hold off Madara, buy time to prevent his trump card etc.

 

After Juubi/Obito cut the 1st and 2nd Hokage in half like nothing wonder what the human Kages can do to help.

 

I think they'll mostly be there for support.

Edited by sushi., 10 July 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[harry4e]

I haven't felt the sense of danger since Neji died. It has been a while.

 

I thought the deaths would get worse by each chapter. First it was Ino-Shika, then Neji..then nothing.

 

I think you misunderstood.

Yes and the difference is that Obito and Rin never got a chance. ObiRin might have developed in a similar fashion as NS if they had survived.

 

But since Neji's death, we've seen Hinata get her moment, then Naruto giving his Chakra to everyone, then for a couple of months the story shifted to Sasuke, and then returned back to Naruto recently, with early chapters about Sakura's development and then Sasuke and the Kages arriving, even though it's been months for us, in the Manga itself something like 15 minutes have passed.

 

Also more deaths would not make sense, Ino-Shika's death had zero impact because next week Neji was kiled off, and for his death to mean something, there had to be a moment when the troops stood up and fought harder than ever, if more were killed off then that impact would be lost and the manga would get depressing. Neji's death was meant to be the turning point where they would fight harder so they wouldn't lose anyone else.

 

We might still see some more death,

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's good that the sense of struggle is back because no way I will have FT BS in my Naruto. Well, maybe revival part but I'll wait.

[Atheck]

If there is any other ability for the sharingan then it should bear the name of a shinto god or some other deity.
 
Tsukuyomi, Susano, Amaterasu, Izanami, Izanagi, Kagutsuchi.
Maybe Hachiman the god of war.

Hachiman is a tutelary deity commonly associated with the dove, an avian creature. The epithet of Sasuke's organization was Taka, the literal translation of the word being "hawk". Interestingly enough, hawks and doves both hold an affiliation to conflict. The hawk represents the advocacy of strength and forcefulness. Taka disregarded international authority and trespassed on foreign territory numerous times throughout its existence. Not only that, they would rely on the strength of their abilities to achieve their ends.

What's also interesting is that the object of reverence for Hachiman is a bow. Sasuke's Susanoo incorporates a bow into its design. Although a shintai is really just a conduit for worship and not an actual characteristic of the deity.

If anyone was going to acquire a technique centred around Hachiman then it would be Sasuke.

Also, I believe that "Kamuy" is the Ainu term for their supernatural entities. Apasam Kamuy, Moshirikara Kamuy, Yushkep Kamuy... The Ainu are the indigenous populations that reside in Japan and a kamuy holds many similarities with the Japanese supernatural entities we commonly associate with the country. Now correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that there is any Shinto deity or collection of entities that have the name "Kamui". It's just a synonymous label referring to the authority and and strength to otherworldly beings in general.

If the above is accurate then Tobi and Kakashi's techniques would be an exception to the unspoken "MS techniques must have the appellation of a specific Shinto god or group of gods" rule that this manga is known for. It's related to deities, but the origins of the term "Kamui" are much more ambiguous in nature than any other mythological influences that Kishi has been inspired by.

As for what Madara's trump card is, well, that could be anything. Edo Rikudou Sennin, tengu warrior Susanoo, Black Zetsu (one can only hope), or the unspecified 4th eye technique. If it's a doujutsu ability then it will probably be grounded in either creation or Takamagahara mythology as those seem to be the two most utilised fields of Japanese supernaturalism when addressing the Mangekyou Sharingan.

On a side-note, there's a few pieces of information regarding these deities that I never understood until now. Kotoamatsukami is a collective designation of five deities in Kojiki, a creationist chronicle detailing the formation of the Japanese islands. Well apparently these five deities were formed in solitude and chose to secrete themselves. Isn't that reminiscent of Itachi concealing KA inside of Naruto only to have it appear nearly 200 chapters later when they encountered each other once again?

I also think that the Land of Waves arc may have been inspired by the Hare of Inaba myth.
 

Tazuna represents the hare, the deceiver who instigates a conflict with another person or group in the hopes of being able to journey from an island to the mainland. Gato and his organization could be interpreted as the the personification of the sharks. Tazuna opposed the pretences of the group for their oppression of the country and sought the assistance of others. The clan of hares symbolises the persecuted and oppressed people of the Land of Waves and the clan of sharks represents Gato and his criminal organization.

 

Okuninushi and his group would be Naruto and Team 7. Tazuna discovered them and requested their assistance. At one point during the mission everyone opted to return to Konoha due to the conditions of Naruto's injury and that they were mislead about the circumstances of their task. The only one who objected to this and desired to continue assisting this man was Naruto. Okuninushi's fellow travelers derided the hare by offering it harmful advice. The only one who genuinely assisted it was Okuninushi. After this display of magnanimity it predicted that he would be chosen for a husband by the monarch of Inaba, Princess Yakami. Tazuna made a prediction that Naruto's name would be known throughout the world. Both of those predictions have come true. 

 

If it's not inspiration then it's quite the enormous coincidence that an arc in a manga heavily inspired by Far Eastern culture and folklore would happen to resemble numerous characteristics from the aforementioned tale. Especially when you consider that this arc has the only portrayal of rabbits in the entire manga IIRC. A rabbit which happened to stumble upon Naruto's group whom Naruto was the only person that was concerned for its well being. 

 

There's probably still quite a few mythological references that we could make to other characters.

[T XD]

Actually, I think Obito is after Naruto or more like Juubi is after Naruto because of what it saw (the new God?). Think about it, Obito was showcasing his power, yet after all that, he went where Naruto is located. So yeah, it seems like Naruto is his target and whoever gets in the way will die before him, hence attacking Hokages. I smell OVA 2011 incoming.

Yeah, I know. But, with all the company around him now, Obito won't just focus on battling Naruto. He'll have to focus on Sasuke, Minato , Edo Kages, probably the Kages when they arrive if they fought him first, possibly Sakura, and as well others if they joined the battle. For sure, Naruto will get an upgraded power after, and by then many will be out of the battle and all who are remained may be like Minato and/or Sasuke and/or Sakura, if she get involved which there's a good possibility, and/or another character. There Obito can be on par with Naruto more than before.

 

It's like gradually getting to Naruto by the time.

[HauntedCake]

Actually, I think Obito is after Naruto or more like Juubi is after Naruto because of what it saw (the new God?). Think about it, Obito was showcasing his power, yet after all that, he went where Naruto is located. So yeah, it seems like Naruto is his target and whoever gets in the way will die before him, hence attacking Hokages. I smell OVA 2011 incoming.

same, bring on ova 2011

[六道仙人]

Anyway, the preview for next weeks from WSJ this time is: "What's the Obito's fury who has become the Juubi's jinchuuriki...?!"

 

It seems that Obito will go on rampage next weeks...

[T XD]

Anyway, the preview for next weeks from WSJ this time is: "What's the Obito's fury who has become the Juubi's jinchuuriki...?!"

 

It seems that Obito will go on rampage next weeks...

Obito rampaging = Epic battle... Great XD

[arian_rad]

Anyway, the preview for next weeks from WSJ this time is: "What's the Obito's fury who has become the Juubi's jinchuuriki...?!"
 
It seems that Obito will go on rampage next weeks...

I'm excited for this! :)

[James S Cassidy]

Anyway, the preview for next weeks from WSJ this time is: "What's the Obito's fury who has become the Juubi's jinchuuriki...?!"

 

It seems that Obito will go on rampage next weeks...

[T XD]

Anyone else is seeing a few Sakura and Tsunade interaction in this battle ? XD. Like more than this one moment when they see each other again.

Edited by T XD, 10 July 2013 - 07:23 PM.

[Tsubaki]

Tha's the colored version of the chapter that people were talking about?

 

http://mangadoom.com/Naruto/637.5/2/

Edited by Tsubaki, 10 July 2013 - 08:24 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

(I know im late, been busy!!)

 

Omg great chapter!! And damn, obito was so badass, but looks like he's not in control, hmm feel sorry for him :( man sakura is so badass, she's such an amazing leader.

 

Sakura..naruto..sasuke..hokages!!! whats your next move?! 

 

So

Do any of you think the trump card might be

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Edo-Rin?

Noooo like whats he gonna do? make out with her?  

 

638

Interesting chapter even thou it really didn't push the story.
It seems that Obito isn't conscious so it's probable that a new conscious is there, it's possible that the juubi be a conscious being like the rest of the bijuu. If this is the case then it means it will target Naruto. Which is great because the god of the shinobi said he is inferior to Obito in his current state and Naruto has to surpass him.

Oh and Chatte. http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/638/12

and http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/632/15.

Is it just me?

Nope, not just you buddy.

[Canadian_DJ]

I do not think Sakura will be out of this.

Is the second time she is featured at the beginning of a volume.

Plus, Kishi didn't made her say that they are going to fight side by side just to put her back.

The previous chapter was to show us that team 7 followed Sai's plan.

But now things changed. And considering what Sakura said, I am sure she won't be on the sidelines.

 

I think that actually Tsunade will take the healer role and Sakura will go on the frontlines..

 

@Atheck

 

Given that Tsunade is also a Kage I don't get why you would say she would be effective against Tobi while Sakura wouldn't be.

 

About Sakura not being action-oriented right now, I think it's quite fine.

Besides, Kishi has always shown Sakura's strength - she is smart. She's the thinker. She knows where her skills are need the most at this point. She doesn't rush into battle like Naruto .  So we wait to see what she has in store ^^

Boss post is boss.

 

And these my friends, are words of logic. Naruto and sasuke surpassed their masters. So what makes you think sakura hasn't? 

 

Sakura is the heroine and she's not done, and wont be until this manga reaches an end. Sakura is unstoppable and she's always had relevance to the story, especially in times like this. She's gonna be badass in no time.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 10 July 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[Atheck]

 

 

 

Boss post is boss.

 

And these my friends, are words of logic. Naruto and sasuke surpassed their masters.

 

Words are meaningless if you don't have the substance to back them up. If Kishi wants his fanbase to believe that Sakura has indeed surpassed Tsunade,  outside of brute strength due to Tsunade's deteriorating age hindering her abilities, then prove it. Reinforce this superiority by having Sakura display superior reflexes, more versatile healing/fighting techniques, greater resilience to physical affliction, better honed chakra usage, and everything else that defines the Slug Princess. Allowing Sakura to diversify her character by acquiring other abilities would assist as well. 

 

Until that time comes, I really can't hold it against anyone if they were to argue that Sakura is still Tsunade's inferior. 

[六道仙人]

Tha's the colored version of the chapter that people were talking about?

 

http://mangadoom.com/Naruto/637.5/2/

 

nope, if you read the credi page at the beginning you see "colored by THE COLORKAGES of redditetc...", it's just a fanart...the color pages is a bonus from Shounen alpha for their subscripters USA&Canada and will be out on Monday as usual.

[Nate River]

Words are meaningless if you don't have the substance to back them up. If Kishi wants his fanbase to believe that Sakura has indeed surpassed Tsunade,  outside of brute strength due to Tsunade's deteriorating age hindering her abilities, then prove it. Reinforce this superiority by having Sakura display superior reflexes, more versatile healing/fighting techniques, greater resilience to physical affliction, better honed chakra usage, and everything else that defines the Slug Princess. Allowing Sakura to diversify her character by acquiring other abilities would assist as well. 
 
Until that time comes, I really can't hold it against anyone if they were to argue that Sakura is still Tsunade's inferior.

I don't think it's meaingless, but it does violate the old writing adagae of show, don't tell and is a good example of what it matters. If character say she has surpassed I'll accept it, but I agree that it's hard to go to bat for the concept when the author doesn't provide anything to show it.

I think has tried to show, but he hasn't had her do anything that Tsunade can't/hasn't been able to do.