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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I do believe on NS but the overall plot i just going downhill.
First is Madara being revived, then the latter is Obito and his reasoning to destroy the world, then it's Neji's death, and then comes Sasuke.
Karin being a fangirl again, well at least i belive that sasuke now as his own team since everyone enforced they would stick up with sasuke whenever he goes, helping to save the world will redeem their crimes and will be forgiven.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No chapter next week, right? If so, best for all of us to take a break.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No chapter next week, right? If so, best for all of us to take a break.

I dont care he could take up a whole month i feel that there will be no arc after this war, the end is coming soon, unlees Orochimaru does something and kills Sasuke because, he's already redeemed and the poal or whatever if fullfilled.

I just hope that kishimoto does not undo her development, because sasuke did nothing to her, at least Karin has a reason because he saved her.
i wish kishimoto could do an asspull for us. :3

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 April 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[narusakurama]

Another point of view would be to consider the alternative. Hashirama was the one in control , already been stated that Orhicmaru lost control of him . Now let us imagine Sasuke kept his desire of revenge . How do you tell to 4 of the most powerful ninja in history that you still want revenge and want to destroy the thing they hold most dear and for which they all gave their lives ? Wouldn't it have been just as big an asspull as this chapter seems to be if Sasuke had told that to the Kages and they would have just let him be ?

I wonder if it is possible for Sasuke to have lied about his true intentions just so that they would not be forced to fight the Edokages there , on their own . Maybe the plan is to go to the battlefield , have the kages and Madara take each other out ... and then reveal what he is really after .

[Inferno180]

Main problem we all see is just Sasuke,

This is getting us in a rage but Naruto will still face him.

As I see it, its a matter of a common enemy, Madara, usually the end of the world tends to force allies and enemies to fight together. As for Sasuke going good, there is still more to be seen, the real problem for most of us is not if NaruSaku becomes canon or not, this chapter had nothing to do with NaruSaku it has no effect on it (currently anyways), the real problem is if Kishi ends up just making Sasuke go directly good with no remaining conflicts, basically if he just bypasses Naruto's fight with him to jump to the end. Basically this chapter would have essentially made Naruto's efforts invain because a dead guy did in 9 chapters what he was trying to do in over 600. This would be bad, if this leads to other things like Sakura going to him despite her struggle being between Naruto's efforts for her and what Sasuke became when he was bad, thats her whole development ruined in one moment. Sakura spent the entire manga in part 2 trying to help Naruto with Sasuke, if thats ruined and she turns back easily, thats just bad. This even ruins the premise of team 7, trying to reunite them for story reasons like the promise and understanding revenge. Essentially this would ruin the whole point of the journey.

Few things to say:

1. Again, calm down, its just Sasuke's character, we don't know all the events that will directly come after this, we knew he would get some type of redemtion but he never said anything about returning to the village or what to do with his own future, we knew things would come to this and it was Itachi and Hashirama's stories which lead him here.

2. Kishi loves pulling stuff out of his ass, he did this as early as Pain with the rinne-tensi was first used.

3. Its not over, even I'm somewhat upset with how things can be rushed, but we really need to see things where things go. We are upset about the story and how many things can be ruined, we are not upset about NaruSaku, that was not effected we are only upset that kishi may have begun to butcher his story for many reasons, NaruSaku could eventually be one of those things effected but this goes to impact much more such as the story such as ruining Sakura's purpose in the journey if she just goes back to Sasuke which has literally no development, and Sasuke could be forced out of character even more if he actually returned Sakura's feelings, Sasuke's character is about family and parental bonds, he still hes to acknwodge that Naruto, team 7, and the leaf are his family, until he does that he would not return to the leaf. Itachi only set him on the path, Hashirama gave him insight on the events which forced him into the prior revenge driven situation and why Madara became who he was, Naruto is only the one to finish it, thats what will come by from their fight.

4. Naruto, Sakura, and kakashi still remember him as a revenge driven phsyco path, to see how things turn out now depends on how Kishi decides to portay team 7 and Sasuke if they somehow met up. Worse case senaro would be if he just came right up to them and said sorry and then its all happy fun times again. Until then, this is just an eyesore.

5. NaruSaku was not effected, the one thing on this site most of us want to see, these events have not impacted Naruto or Sakura yet, until then we don't know what can come from this chapter. This past arc was Sasuke and only about Sauske. If anything this chapter is just a potential eyesore, depending on how Kishi attributes Sasuke now, it depends on how he acts and views team 7, is he only doing it for Itachi or for everyone? He has Taka back cause well thats his team, okay he apologized to Karin but she is a minor character who was still obsessed with him, I'll let kishi have this one. We don't know what Orochimaru will do either, he is a gray factor for now. NaruSaku can possibly be effected later on but for now, Sasuke's new resolve is just standing around, it has not come into contact with them yet, what depends is what kishi does when Naruto and Sakura meet up with Sasuke again. Only thing we fear is kishi ruining Sakura's development and she ends up keeping her crush only for it to have meaning in the end "because she hoped" all this would do is really ruin her character and hurt Naruto's character due to his efforts for her. This is what we do not want to see, its even worse because Kishi said it was selfish, if he acknowledges this and chose to have her keep it, that would be wasted development. Sakura can be well developed if she gets over her one mental obsiticle, Sasuke, the elements for NaruSaku are still around, all the development still exists between them, we still have to see our answers from her shame over him in 540 and her reaction in 615.

If anything for now, I'd say we are not worried for NaruSaku, just that kishi could end up butchering the whole point of the journey and goal of the story. Everything falls underneath that, if he took it to extremes and put stuff like Sasuke suddenly loving Sakura or Sakura reverting back, then yeah then its as I said, he would have made this series nothing but a glorifed fanfiction, its just bad lazy writing to start something so late between characters when they had hardly any merit together at all. Sasuke can end the series with his current mindset as long as it did not ruin the other characters to the point of undermining their development, as long as Sasuke fights Naruto, acknowldges him, and gets forgiven in the end or sacrifices himself as some thought, the series could still have a decent ending. For NaruSaku, as long as Sakura just at least gets over her idealistic crush and can end up at least forgiving him, not loving him, thats fine. Sakura we just want to see mature and realize who she stood by and who stood by her most of the time. NaruSaku does not need to be canon for this, we just want Sakura to mature. People are upset with Sasuke though this is the start of his redemtion, we have no idea what will come around yet so just take a breather, geez, I hoped I would not need damage control duty, this time its damage control for the whole story and not our OTP pairing. Relax, NaruSaku has not been affected, Sasuke's mentality is just something present, it has not come into contact yet. Naruto and Sakura still have to fulfit their own development, there is still a battle against the ten tails, still a 4 wounded kage situation, even yamato needs to be rescued, the hokages need to meet up, its still possible for a break in the action against the ten tails to come, we still need to see what happens to Obito and madara, does Obito get redeemed or does he kill himself to fully revive Madara?.

Just relax, NaruSaku is still present, we don't know where Sasuke's current goals are, even I would find it hard for him to just not fight Naruto. NaruSaku can still happen, it has not been affected yet, we don't know how things will turn out, in fact just about any fan has no realivte idea where we will go next, back to the battlefield or elsewhere? Sakura is still around too, we don't know what 540 and 615 could lead to, she can still get over Sasuke and turn to naruto. Its really all dependent on kishi if he keeps his past writing intact for the future or begins to turn the entire story on its side. Sasuke can go forward like this, but as long as others are kept in line with their development then this can work, we knew Sasuke would be redeemed and this is the start, what exactly happens we need to wait for. Just take conformt in this, we don't know where the story will go next, this is both good and bad but with Sasuke it may not be as bad as we think, long as he remains in character and does not get something like love or just suddenly return Sakura's feelings then things are fine. Long as he fights Naruto okay as well. Kishi can keep naruto and Sakura on track despite Sasuke's answer. Sakura can still mature, we have yet to see naruto and sakura's current feelings. NaruSaku still can happen and much of the stuff around it is present. I still see it as able to happen, this chapter did not effect it, only made us concerned for the main story overall and we somehow ended up twisting it into somehow effecting pairings when it has not yet, in fact only a small bit of SasuKarin humor was in this one, rather SasuKarin is the only thing they had humor with and effected, everything else is untouched so relax. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm going to read bleach and one piece. Seriously just calm down. Our pairing can happen, if this is one event just watch as its something to look back on and laugh at, I just don't think we should be treating this with the dumb reactions from the cover of vol 64 even though we knew what happened in those chapters after 615. Seriously NaruSaku can still happen, we need to see Naruto's feelings, Sakura's feelings, and Sakura's unresolved 540 and 615 feelings, we don't know where these mean fully or where they will go so relax. If Naruto still shows no signs of waviering and Sakura possibly does, this can still bring NaruSaku. Seriously just go look at Slextrims build up threat in case you need a morale boost, but again and I stress it enough, NaruSaku has not been affected. If its an issue then maybe just wait for a few weeks of the stuff to pile on. I mean Kishi has asspulled but he has also made good things like RtN, remember if he could do that in the movie he can do it in the manga. NaruSaku is present, everything is there. Just take a breather, read another manga, if anything Naruto oritend then maybe pictures or fanfiction. Again NaruSaku has not been affected, we don't know what will fully happen with Sasuke, his new demenor is still within character for his redeemtion, its just we don't want to see things become full out of character depending on how others react to him such as Naruto not fighting him or Sakura suddenly just reverting to the part 1 fangirl we don't want to see. We espcially don't want to see him just suddenly be filled with happiness and love and return Sakura's feelings and not want to fight Naruto or simply apologize for being a douche without reason. He apologized to Karin okay, if he does that with team 7 then I would consider the story ruined. If kishi uses this to extremes to undermine the purpose of the journey then its story ruined, if events like before come true then its been reduced to a glorifed fanfiction. Remember NaruSaku is still able to happen and give this a good ending out of any pairings, it also fullfills development on both Naruto and Sakura's parts and does no harm to the story, we know this. We know how Sakura can mature, we know how naruto could accept Sakura's feelings for him if she falls for him later on.

Thats one long post, no damage control from me for a while.

[Codus N]

Well... now that we've got complaining out of the way.... who here expects Madara to start crapping his pants when he realizes Hashirama is revived and the fact that he bisected his favorite granddaughter??

[Nefertieh]

Not sure, but one thing I am sure of is that the readers are of 14-16 age range or even younger and tend to prefer happy, fluff endings. At least, that's what I think. Really, ever since 615, everything has smelled like fandom pleasing no matter what the costs are. And if Kishi stoops to Stephanie Meyer's level....

Kishimoto has always hinted this story will have a happy ending (the biggest giveaway is when he said he wanted to write this story "to give kids hope"). I have always thought this manga has a lot of similarity to our own modern world, namely a world that was forged after two great wars. I wouldn't say Kishimoto is a social critic -- his themes seem to be more character-centric -- but it can be applied to society in general.

Regardless of who we compare him to, just remember that not all stories with tragic endings are good. Notable YA author JK Rowling deserves an honourable mention.

Edited by Nefertieh, 10 April 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[sardns]

I actually liked this chapter and think it's awesome that the Hokage, Orochimaru and Sasuke are going to the battlefield, but there's one thing that bothers me...

...Karin... all that character development... wasted...

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dont care he could take up a whole month i feel that there will be no arc after this war, the end is coming soon, unlees Orochimaru does something and kills Sasuke because, he's already redeemed and the poal or whatever if fullfilled.

I just hope that kishimoto does not undo her development, because sasuke did nothing to her, at least Karin has a reason because he saved her.
i wish kishimoto could do an asspull for us. :3

Interesting that you thought of SK. I thought you was against it or at least any Sx? but no matters. I do wonder if there will be another arc. The problem is that there are still open developments and Orochimaru is too good as of late, which I don't trust him. Something will happen, but not now.

Another point of view would be to consider the alternative. Hashirama was the one in control , already been stated that Orhicmaru lost control of him . Now let us imagine Sasuke kept his desire of revenge . How do you tell to 4 of the most powerful ninja in history that you still want revenge and want to destroy the thing they hold most dear and for which they all gave their lives ? Wouldn't it have been just as big an asspull as this chapter seems to be if Sasuke had told that to the Kages and they would have just let him be ?

I wonder if it is possible for Sasuke to have lied about his true intentions just so that they would not be forced to fight the Edokages there , on their own . Maybe the plan is to go to the battlefield , have the kages and Madara take each other out ... and then reveal what he is really after .

One thing we got to remember is that I did in fact say that there are routes for him to take and it's still possible that he will have a different intention to create peace, without the need to destroy a village or two. Right now, the focus is to not let Madara get away with it. The question is what's next after that. Heck, what's going to happen along the way? Kishi clearly wants Naruto vs. Sasuke to be the finale, but we don't know how and what at stake in this case. Right now, if he was still bad, Kages would have end him asap. So, we should wait for everything gets...calm.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Well... now that we've got complaining out of the way.... who here expects Madara to start crapping his pants when he realizes Hashirama is revived and the fact that he bisected his favorite granddaughter??

Poor Madara. Somebody is about to get pwnd.

[Nefertieh]

Well... now that we've got complaining out of the way.... who here expects Madara to start crapping his pants when he realizes Hashirama is revived and the fact that he bisected his favorite granddaughter??

I guess it will depend if Tsunade stays dead, or if Kishimoto will even remember to mention her.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No chapter next week right, or not?

[luffyq1]

Whatever shred of respect I had for Karin is long gone. Truly pathetic. And if I so much as see Sakura blushing or filled with excitement upon Sasuke's return, I'm going to lose it.

[RamenRenegade]

But as that is unlikely, I guess I'll just have to look at the positives like Naruto and Minato's reunion and finally finding out what Minato's chakra element(s) is/are.

This is another thing I don't want to see. IMO, the meeting Naruto had with his father before was perfect. It was short and bitter sweet. Doing this now is just overkill. My only hope is that it works out that Minato only watches Naruto from the shadows and he passes on with no words exchanged.

This story has been ruined for me. The only thing that will make it better is if Sasuke follows his brother's path and sacrifices himself for the village, but even then, what happened to all of the foreshadowing of Naruto vs Sasuke? What about Naruto's efforts to redeem Sasuke himself? What about Orochimaru's reputation as the most evil and twisted villain in the series? What about Karin's decision to give up on Sasuke? What about everything that's happened so far in the series?

Kishimoto is so inconsistent, I can't stand it. Honestly, I think I'm going to drop this series. Nevermind NaruSaku. If Kishimoto can't even get the plot that he's been foreshadowing since the end of Part One right, then he's going to ruin everything else too, NaruSaku and Sakura included.

I bet he'll throw out all of the character development that she's had thus far and turn her back into a fangirl. Nevermind her "shining moment". I bet she's just going to stand there and watch like she did at the start of Part One. Then Kishimoto will have her chained to Sasuke's bed as his gift for becoming the 6th Hokage.

That's another thing I didn't consider. If Sasuke has changed his mind as this chapter suggests then what happens with Naruto vs. Sasuke. The only way for it to happen then is for them to have a "freindly" competition. Which would suck.

Awwww! No RR! I always love your posts, and such on Naruto, but I have to agree with you when it comes to the story, especially villains. I hate how he makes every villain seem redeemable, and then they get sympathy which basically leads toward redemption. Where are the evil doers who're simply just kittening evil!?

I'll still post from time to time. But I'm done reading this weekly for now. Until I hear that there is something worth reading.

Well now I'm even more worried! NaruHina and SasuSaku are looking more and more likely! If Sasuke starts feeling something towards Sakura then I'm throwing in the towel and dropping the series because it would just feel forced and rushed

Yeah, I have to admit but things are indeed headed that way. But TBH, that doesn't bother me as it won't change my love for NS. It's this whole "easy" redemption for Sasuke that pisses me off. Though I still don't see Sasuke having feelings for Sakura.

its really funny how fans are doubting ns again

It's not about NS. It's about Sasuke and this easy redemption.

The problem is that one of the central themes of the manga is understanding your enemies. Naruto's been at it throughout the whole manga -- Gaara, Neji, Nagato, just to name a few. To have an enemy who is pure evil, unfortunately, sabotages that theme.

I disagree. The theme of the story can be about understanding and redemption without saturating it to the point where it's unrealistic. You want to do that with Pain or Sasuke? Fine. But Orochimaru? Really? That's where I draw the line. That dude SHOULD NOT be redeemable.

I don't see it being this simple. All Sasuke said was that he wouldn't let his brother and village go to waste. What does that ultimately mean? I thought he'd end up with an Obito-like goal...it sounds good, but it's really not (I don't mean Obito's specific objective). This shouldn't be surprising as Sasuke has his greastest chance to take revenge on Konoha with Naruto not around. Given that Kishi is all but screaming from the mountain tops what the end game is, there was no way Sasuke was going to revert to his original course because even if the First can pull a Madara, the whole village would be witness to him actively tearing it apart and that complicates Kishimoto's ultimate goal.

I think it's pretty clear what it means based on the reaction of the 4 kage. Sasuke plans to save the village. They plan to help him. There really is no room for interpretation there.

Also, does anyone think Orochimaru is just going to stand and watch?

I don't think Naruto/Sasuke clash is gone, but I think the grounds it'll be fought on will be different. That has been evident for awhile.

The clash is gone if Sasuke no longer desires to destroy the village. Outside of that the only reason for them to fight would be pride. And that means a fight with no real stakes. Which means a fight with no drama.

Oh yeah, that bit with Karin was vomit inducing. I might skip lunch so all I do is dry heave. That was so awful. If I didn't hate her character before....

I'm sure people will still bristle at the fangirl charge, but this does nothing to help their case. Geez... I hope that was the translator adding those hearts or that Kishimoto's secretly making her bi-polar or something.

I actually liked this chapter until that point, and then....

Team Not Seven strikes again!

And Karin's forgiveness of Sasuke's TBH says alot for SS. Because if Kishimoto thinks it's fine to have Karin forgive him with a simple "I'm sorry" then Kishi probably sees no problem with Sakura jumping all over the dude when he returns. *sigh*

that said, I still say Karin is the best female for Sasuke. At least she's loved him during his darkest times. She loves him for who he is as opposed to Sakura who loves who he was.

[Saudade]

No chapter next week right, or not?

Yep no chapter next week!
http://mangastream.c...uto/37996123/19
There'll be a double issue the following week though!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yep no chapter next week!
http://mangastream.c...uto/37996123/19
There'll be a double issue the following week though!

Ah, thank you.

Well, I do wonder when we go to the battlefield, will it be right we left off or will it be a meanwhile? If choose the first one, then the suspense of when the Hokages will arrive will be suspenseful since people will be thinking, "When will they come?" If the latter, well, it's there but perhaps they will arrive earlier than keep guessing like the first option.

Edit: On second thought, I just reread it. It's still suspenseful either way. It's only matter of when will they arrive.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 10 April 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[Baiken]

Not gonna lie, this chapter seemed forced as hell. I mean Sasuke turning just like that? I thought that would have happened after the war arc, but it looks like this is going to be the final act. Sad too, that this War arc being the last will also be the worst arc out of the entire manga. After seeing this chapter, we can no longer say with confidence NS is endgame. Seriously, no matter how much development NS has over the other pairings, no matter the quality of the development of NS, I can't say with confidence NS is endgame. Not with Kishi's track record. This whole arc has been full of consistent asspulls. Logic no longer applies. It's so obvious Kishi is rushing this manga, making things up on the spot with little to no build up. I'm beginning to think Kishimoto just doesn't give a damn.

I also agree with some of the previous posts that said Kishimoto was sexist. He can't write a normal, decent female character to save his life. Don't even deny it. And that whole Karin scene was absolutely disgusting, but I admit, the face Sasuke-kun made was pretty funny...

...but Sasuke saying "Sorry, Karin".... Really? Ugh Kishimoto...



As for Orochimaru, I want to believe that he's up to something shady, in it for himself. But knowing Kishimoto....meh. And as for the Kages heading for the battlefield, I'm pretty sure Minato's "gift" for Naruto is Kurama's Yin chakra. I also hope Hashirama sees what that bastard Madara has done to his granddaughter.

It's like, in this arc, everything's just been getting worse, chapter by chapter. Not dropping this until the end though. I'm just so disappointed with how Kishimoto has been handling his manga for the past couple of years.

[Nefertieh]

I disagree. The theme of the story can be about understanding and redemption without saturating it to the point where it's unrealistic. You want to do that with Pain or Sasuke? Fine. But Orochimaru? Really? That's where I draw the line. That dude SHOULD NOT be redeemable.

Except the theme of forgiveness and understanding is completely redundant if you're going to pick and choose who you want to save. And I didn't mean every villain will be redeemed in the series, my point was that I doubt Kishimoto will ever create a character who is evil "just because."

The only thing I expect from Orochimaru is closure with Sandaime. He is somewhat dead.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't mind evil villains. I just don't think Kishimoto will add one to this series.

I And Karin's forgiveness of Sasuke's TBH says alot for SS. Because if Kishimoto thinks it's fine to have Karin forgive him with a simple "I'm sorry" then Kishi probably sees no problem with Sakura jumping all over the dude when he returns. *sigh*

that said, I still say Karin is the best female for Sasuke. At least she's loved him during his darkest times. She loves him for who he is as opposed to Sakura who loves who he was.

Because Sakura and Karin are the same people? Because Sasuke had threatened to destroy her village too?

Edited by Nefertieh, 10 April 2013 - 05:19 PM.

[AnimeGirl_123]

I said this when 615 came out that if Sakura finally becomes relevant when Sasuke shows up I would call it quits. Now he's going to the battlefield... why do you think I don't claim anything as canon?

Just have to see where it all goes from here and by the way Sasuke hasn't been a good guy for YEARS. It's about time he became one to be honest. I do wish Naruto played a bigger role but we all knew he would become good again somehow, or at least, I hoped we did.

Karin still not over Sasuke UGH no one gets over him, now shes being bashed like Sakura for still liking Sasuke.

[StriderC]

This is another thing I don't want to see. IMO, the meeting Naruto had with his father before was perfect. It was short and bitter sweet. Doing this now is just overkill. My only hope is that it works out that Minato only watches Naruto from the shadows and he passes on with no words exchanged.




That's another thing I didn't consider. If Sasuke has changed his mind as this chapter suggests then what happens with Naruto vs. Sasuke. The only way for it to happen then is for them to have a "freindly" competition. Which would suck.




I'll still post from time to time. But I'm done reading this weekly for now. Until I hear that there is something worth reading.



Yeah, I have to admit but things are indeed headed that way. But TBH, that doesn't bother me as it won't change my love for NS. It's this whole "easy" redemption for Sasuke that pisses me off. Though I still don't see Sasuke having feelings for Sakura.




It's not about NS. It's about Sasuke and this easy redemption.



I disagree. The theme of the story can be about understanding and redemption without saturating it to the point where it's unrealistic. You want to do that with Pain or Sasuke? Fine. But Orochimaru? Really? That's where I draw the line. That dude SHOULD NOT be redeemable.



I think it's pretty clear what it means based on the reaction of the 4 kage. Sasuke plans to save the village. They plan to help him. There really is no room for interpretation there.



The clash is gone if Sasuke no longer desires to destroy the village. Outside of that the only reason for them to fight would be pride. And that means a fight with no real stakes. Which means a fight with no drama.



And Karin's forgiveness of Sasuke's TBH says alot for SS. Because if Kishimoto thinks it's fine to have Karin forgive him with a simple "I'm sorry" then Kishi probably sees no problem with Sakura jumping all over the dude when he returns. *sigh*

that said, I still say Karin is the best female for Sasuke. At least she's loved him during his darkest times. She loves him for who he is as opposed to Sakura who loves who he was.

I'm only waiting anxiously for Sakura to get her time at this point to be honest. It's been about her mostly for me and at this point, it's still about her. I'm pushing all of my current feelings for this manga to the side, but Sakura is the last remaining factor that will push me to either continue reading, or drop the story and not give a damn anymore. I think Kishi's gonna have Team 7 finish off Madara to be honest when I think about it since Sasuke is good again pretty much. But there're too many characters to showcase at this point and I pray Kishi doesn't ruin the heroine. You're giving your male heroes all of this panel time and relevance. What about the female?

I no longer care about Naruto and Sasuke's battle at this point. kitten a friendly sparring match... I don't like how everything is all goody goody especially in this manga...