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[sushi.]

^Dude, you've never watched the series, have you? You can come back to this when you're done with it. But..you said you would never watch it so Just don't talk about things you don't know.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^Dude, you've never watched the series, have you? You can come back to this when you're done with it. But..you said you would never watch it so Just don't talk about things you don't know.

Wut.
Main character with her love interest?

[dl316bh]

I'm not as ga-ga over Avatar as the rest of the net seems to be, but it was a fun enough show. Shipping in the fandom, however, was pretty ****ed. It was pretty clear where any romantic plots were going right from the start. That's not to say shipping non-canon pairings or anything other than the obvious is bad, but somehow it got to be like a blood feud, with both switching between smug superiority and the thought that what they said held more weight the louder and more forcefully they argued.

I was just like "wow, sometimes I think shippers want to kill each other even more than religious extremists".

[kidNinja]

I'm not as ga-ga over Avatar as the rest of the net seems to be, but it was a fun enough show. Shipping in the fandom, however, was pretty ****ed. It was pretty clear where any romantic plots were going right from the start. That's not to say shipping non-canon pairings or anything other than the obvious is bad, but somehow it got to be like a blood feud, with both switching between smug superiority and the thought that what they said held more weight the louder and more forcefully they argued.

I was just like "wow, sometimes I think shippers want to kill each other even more than religious extremists".

It's funny because NS/NH/SS wars are eerily similar to the Kataang and Zutara wars. Bleach shipping wars are quite different from Naruto/Avatar shipping wars. They seem to be more like philosophic debates. I don't care much for Bleach anymore but it's a change of pace from what you see on a Naruto or Avatar forum.

Edited by kidNinja, 30 December 2012 - 02:08 AM.

[sushi.]

Wut.
Main character with her love interest?

wut. I just said you shouldn't discuss avatar shipping when you never watched LoK.

[James S Cassidy]

Dang nab it but don't worry I should be thanking you for telling me I wouldn't wanna continue running around with incorrect information .Well I will continue to simply float along on my baseless piece of drywood cause cannon's overrated anyways .

Sorry. I guess it was better for me to tell you in a polite way then some random rabid fan being all up in your grill.

[GlucoseGlutton]

Sorry. I guess it was better for me to tell you in a polite way then some random rabid fan being all up in your grill.

No need to apologize rabid fans are something I'd like to do without.

[Candleguy]

This thread would make a lot more sense if the manga was ending in the next two chapters


Anyone who has ever read AirGear can understand where I'm coming from.

[Weltall]

How was Oro's return foreshadowed? Can you explain?

@Weltall - I would like your opinion as well.

I really don't want to go over this again so I'll keep it short : they were many hints here and there, Oro altough supposedely sealed still had a lot of relevance in the plot and in actual events in the manga (Danzo, Mazdara and not too long ago the scroll) Oro's involvement never died even when he was sealed but the most significant hint was the white snake, the first time the white snake was mentioned was when Oro was sealed by Sasuke Sarutobi described it as a symbol of rebirth and return then when Itachi sealed they were 3 white snakes who left Sasuke's bodies (a little detail that is always overlooked, it's just a little panel but you can clearly see them) and not one like most people tought ( reread these chapters and check it yourself) 2 of them are burnt and one escaped, it was clear that Kishi always left the door open for Oro's return.

[KnS]

How was Oro's return foreshadowed? Can you explain?

@Weltall - I would like your opinion as well.

Sorry, redragon88, I must have missed this question. My answer is that I came to the conclusion through a synthesis of manga facts and intuition. I figured Orochimaru would return because:

+ He was set up as a major villain from the beginning.

+ He was an evil genius pursuing immortality, who hated the frailty of human life, who wanted to learn every jutsu in the world. That's a sweeping goal that has the potential to last to the end of the story.

+ Orochimaru has a history of collaborating with other villains with different agendas in order to advance his own. I wondered if there would be complications later with Obito!Madara, considering how much Orochimaru despised Akatsuki.

+ He left pieces of his soul and consciousness within cursed seals on his trainees -- Anko, Kimimaro, Kabuto, etc. -- making it possible for him to pivot and avoid ultimate death.

+ While he sometimes made mistakes against opponents, he was usually several steps ahead mentally and prepared with fallback plans.

+ Most importantly, he completed the Edo Tensei from the work begun by Tobirama. Once Kabuto began to take on more and more of Orochimaru's appearance and mannerisms, and the Edo Tensei resurfaced in the story as key to the war, I began to suspect that Kishimoto was using Kabuto to advance Orochimaru in the story while making it seem that was impossible because Orochimaru was "dead."

In general, such a character is by definition likely to be in hiding, having survived apparent "death" only to resurface at the right time. Also, I always felt that Orochimaru's training of Sasuke had been interrupted by Sasuke's focus on revenge, and that there would be more to Orochimaru's mentoring of Sasuke.

So... like many other pending events in this story, the details that gave me the impression Orochimaru would return could have meant something else or nothing at all. I didn't know exactly how he would return, but I had a specific gut feeling that he would.

[James S Cassidy]

This thread would make a lot more sense if the manga was ending in the next two chapters


Anyone who has ever read AirGear can understand where I'm coming from.

I admit, I never saw AirGear.

[kirabook]

Read Air Gear for a while in the beginning... not sure when I dropped it, but I dropped it soon after there didn't seem to be a plot anymore, which was quick. If there were shipping wars, I never got into it. There was so much uninteresting fan service that it annoyed the crap out of me. Not sure if it improved, but meh.

Naruto isn't nearly on that level.... I hope Kishi never sinks that low. Fan service decreases the quality of the manga big time, leave the fan service to the uncanon anime and movies.

[redragon88]

This thread would make a lot more sense if the manga was ending in the next two chapters


Anyone who has ever read AirGear can understand where I'm coming from.

Would you care to elaborate? I've never read Air Gear but I hear that it was implied that the main character was going to end up with a secondary girl, but later turned out be the main tsundere love interest. Basically what we are hoping for it to turn out with this manga.

Is my assumption of Air Gear wrong? Given your comment about this thread making more sense if the manga ended now.

Anyone that has read Air Gear please let me know.

@Weltall and KnS

Thanks for your replies.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Even if a pairing is already been planned from the beginning, it doesn't stop the creator to add some fun and nod to other pairings. In Avatar, I remember the preview for Season 3, girls were screaming anything with Zuko and Kataara moments, yet here we are now. So yeah, you can do a fanservice moment, but don't let it override your story.

[James S Cassidy]

Read Air Gear for a while in the beginning... not sure when I dropped it, but I dropped it soon after there didn't seem to be a plot anymore, which was quick. If there were shipping wars, I never got into it. There was so much uninteresting fan service that it annoyed the crap out of me. Not sure if it improved, but meh.

Naruto isn't nearly on that level.... I hope Kishi never sinks that low. Fan service decreases the quality of the manga big time, leave the fan service to the uncanon anime and movies.

It's funny, but High School of the Dead seemed to be the reversed and that's why I liked it. It had HUGE fanservice (and it didn't try to deny it), but eventually when it got rolling the story got more interesting and soon it wasn't about the boobs and panty shots.

I thought of Naruto being like that. At first it's all silly and with fanservice, but by Shippuden took on a more serious role. We still got comedy every now and then, but not like it was in the beginning.

Now...I don't know. It seems like Kishi is starting to...not go backwards, but not be so serious anymore and just doing stuff just to do it. Not real reason. It's like what I said about Sasuke and him taking this "side journey" with Orochimaru. Was it really needed or is it used to stall so Naruto can deal with Obito and Madara first? Wait...maybe that what this scene is doing. I may be stretching it here, but what if this scene was to stall NaruSaku being canon?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 30 December 2012 - 05:13 AM.

[Don-kun]

It's funny, but High School of the Dead seemed to be the reversed and that's why I liked it. It had HUGE fanservice (and it didn't try to deny it), but eventually when it got rolling the story got more interesting and soon it wasn't about the boobs and panty shots.

I thought of Naruto being like that. At first it's all silly and with fanservice, but by Shippuden took on a more serious role. We still got comedy every now and then, but not like it was in the beginning.

Now...I don't know. It seems like Kishi is starting to...not go backwards, but not be so serious anymore and just doing stuff just to do it. Not real reason. It's like what I said about Sasuke and him taking this "side journey" with Orochimaru. Was it really needed or is it used to stall so Naruto can deal with Obito and Madara first? Wait...maybe that what this scene is doing. I may be stretching it here, but what if this scene was to stall NaruSaku being canon?

Tell me more about High School of the Dead is the main guy still fooling around with the sword girl or he stated to focus on the main girl again?

[kidNinja]

It's like what I said about Sasuke and him taking this "side journey" with Orochimaru. Was it really needed or is it used to stall so Naruto can deal with Obito and Madara first? Wait...maybe that what this scene is doing. I may be stretching it here, but what if this scene was to stall NaruSaku being canon?

That really....makes a lot of sense! A lot of times we as fans say "what the hell Kishi?!" when a chapter is first released and some questionable scenes occur but as time passes, "what the hell Kishi turns into "Kishi is a genius/trolling mastermind!" Hence why there is a LOT of Naruto content under the fridge brilliance section on the TV Tropes site.

[Slextrem]

Would you care to elaborate? I've never read Air Gear but I hear that it was implied that the main character was going to end up with a secondary girl, but later turned out be the main tsundere love interest. Basically what we are hoping for it to turn out with this manga.

Is my assumption of Air Gear wrong? Given your comment about this thread making more sense if the manga ended now.

Anyone that has read Air Gear please let me know.

In Air Gear, the hero Ikki starts off with a crush on a secondary character, Simca. The heroine of the story, Ringo, has feelings for him but keeps them to herself, more or less. I suppose she's the most similar to a Tsundere... She's the one to put him back in his place whenever he steps out of line, but she's a lot gentler than Sakura. Eventually a third girl is brought into the mix, Kururu. For a while, it almost looks like Ikki and Kururu are going to become cannon. They seem to have mutual feelings for one another. Ultimately, it's implied that Ikki ends up with Ringo, if my memory serves me correctly. It's been a long time since I last looked at Air Gear.

Edited by Slextrem, 30 December 2012 - 06:13 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Haha, if you wanna talk about pairing debates, go read Rosario vampire. That thing is quite literally a harem with one main girl and one main guy. Hell, two of the girls in the harem even kissed.

[kirabook]

I think one of the mangas with lots of main characters, yet the obvious main pairing would be Mahou Sensei Negima.... I probably need to catch up on it, but I ended up dropping it due to loss of interest. XD

I can't imagine Naruto having THAT many.... 'distractions'. I will give Kishi one thing, he makes the fan service slightly relevant. At least it wasn't something stupid like Naruto randomly tripping over a rock and grabbing Hinata's boob. Naruto's a pervert, but it seems the only time he's interested in other women is if he can get a peak of them in the bath. But other than that... you don't really see him blushing around other girls his age or giving any real indication of any romance for them like commonly seen in other mangas when the author is definitely using the triangle or polygon logic.