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[Nefertieh]

I call this grasping at straws, I honestly don't believe this will happen if it do happen and makes her understand Naruto and Sasuke is almost forcing her to keep thinking the same way she does about her two friends and not thinking or going over the way Sasuke treated her. To me Sakura's true development will start when she try to think more about herself and her current life, I see Sakura has that person who supports Naruto letting him understand that Sasuke is not the most important thing he have in this life, he has people like herself Kakashi the village who believes in him, also remind him how it will hurt many people if he wish to die with Sasuke, especially her, also asking him about his dream to become Hokage because since she was ganin days she start having faith that he will become a fine Hokage, to me that is a great way to develop her character, making her the last person to save the main character from his own demons.

Sakura sesnsin her Master being in danger and changin her direction to go save her, while having Sakura crete a new jutsu to save her is a great way to develop her character power wise, by losing Tsunade and Tsunade giving her some final word about not losing her dear one while pasing on her secrets to Sakura to protect does she love will be another grear way to develop Sakura' in two ways.

Seeing her fnding out and from Naruto's since Madara will tll him that he kill Tsunad, she will only see Naruto in pain trust me it will force her to be more supportive to Naruto and it will be all about Naruto again aren't we tired of that.

I don't see how it is grasping straws. Sakura's only development isn't about her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto. I doubt Kishimoto will want to make her the savior, because it will essentially overshadow Naruto.

[Nate River]

I don't see how it is grasping straws. Sakura's only development isn't about her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto. I doubt Kishimoto will want to make her the savior, because it will essentially overshadow Naruto.

I'd agree. Naruto has a strong bond with her as well.

Besides, Sakura doesn't need to save her or see her die to get the development. Naruto did not see Jiriaya die and got his anyway. Not saying it won't happen, but I think people are being more definitive about this than is warranted.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't know...

Why would the slug act like she could do it no problem, if this is a set for Sakura to do something amazing? If you want to go that route does it not make more sense for the slug to also be unable to do it? Technically speaking, why would Sakura be necessary, if Katsuya can do it?

sakura do something amazing i dont think so...

[Don-kun]

I don't know...

Why would the slug act like she could do it no problem, if this is a set for Sakura to do something amazing? If you want to go that route does it not make more sense for the slug to also be unable to do it? Technically speaking, why would Sakura be necessary, if Katsuya can do it?

Good point but I also see it has Tsunade being too weak to keep up Katsuya her jutsu could be dispelled, an example will be one of pain Deva summoning beasts jutsu, but the moment Naruto kill her all her summoning beast were dispeled, same with Tsunade is she is too weak to keep up Katsuya she will be dispelled and since we already know Sakura slug has a reddish color we can see her for the 1st time in the Manga healing Tsunade the same way Katsuya said she could. That is what I meant by power wise, since all we Sakura fans what to see her summoning her slug but all her haters say that Sakura will never learn that jutsu.

I don't see how it is grasping straws. Sakura's only development isn't about her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto. I doubt Kishimoto will want to make her the savior, because it will essentially overshadow Naruto.

You write you doubt that but an honest question, did we see something else? All of Sakura's motivations are to help her friends, support Naruto and keep Team 7 hopes alive, I didn't see Kishi focusing on anything else, her relationship with Ino was broken because of Sasuke and we didn't know anything about her parent, so show me another aspect of her bond with another character being focus on the manga on a regular basis.
Like I said I can only speak about what I see, I speculate a lot but I try not to speculate over things I see camon in the Manga, it's just like other doubting Tobi was Obito, I try to make sense of the things I see not what I want to believe.

Sakura need to have a direct contact with Tsunade for it to have a great impact on her character and if she will end up understanding Sasuke and Naruto it will only upset her view on the way Sasuke has been with her since she will think that he did all of this because he lost someone very important to him, not allowing her to rationally think about herself instead she will tike about Naruto losing Jiraiya and Sasuke going on a rampage because of his clan making her related with him in some way.

Edited by NS means logic, 12 September 2012 - 05:24 PM.

[Nate River]

sakura do something amazing i dont think so...

Heh. This made me laugh.

C'mon, where's the faith?

[merryGOflava]

sakura do something amazing i dont think so...

ye of little faith.


anyway....if tsunade was gonna live she would have healed herself first, and gone to the kages and healed them.

but i think she knows she wont make it, thats why shes trying to heal everyone else before she dies.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Heh. This made me laugh.

C'mon, where's the faith?

i would have one but for an author that says that he is fond of her character and suddenly comes with "she just slipped thought my mind".

[PhenixElite]

Good point but I also see it has Tsunade being too weak to keep up Katsuya her jutsu could be dispelled, an example will be one of pain Deva summoning beasts jutsu, but the moment Naruto kill her all her summoning beast were dispeled, same with Tsunade is she is too weak to keep up Katsuya she will be dispelled and since we already know Sakura slug has a reddish color we can see her for the 1st time in the Manga healing Tsunade the same way Katsuya said she could. That is what I meant by power wise, since all we Sakura fans what to see her summoning her slug but all her haters say that Sakura will never learn that jutsu.

I dont hate sakura and i aslo dont think that she will be able to summon slugs. Because since the beginning of part 2 sakura didnt learn anything new yet and i think kishi is not going to change that if you ask me. Because she would have so much to learn to even reach kakashis level.

To tsunade i have to say that she will use the chakra she has left to heal the other kage but is going to die after shes done. I also dont think that sakura is going to see tsunade before her death because shes heading to narutos direction.

Sorry but i just cant imagine another way

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

IF you ask me the motivation of those villains are weak, i cant believe obito is a sad guy that cant stand reality and wants to fullfil the plan to live in a world of illusion, madara be a guy that "hey guys i'm baddas just look how i'm badass since i'm badass this world should be mine" there no ideology nothing just weak motivations, kabuto at least was a guy that wanted to see the world burn, kabuto had a full development unlike obito and some other villains in the series.

orochimaru is a guy that wants to have all jutsus and want the same thing as madara.
i thought he wanted to bring his parents back but now cant even understand how he became evil, maybe greedy for power but still an weak motivation.

Edited by dovahkiin, 12 September 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[Don-kun]

sakura do something amazing i dont think so...

I dont hate sakura and i aslo dont think that she will be able to summon slugs. Because since the beginning of part 2 sakura didnt learn anything new yet and i think kishi is not going to change that if you ask me. Because she would have so much to learn to even reach kakashis level.

To tsunade i have to say that she will use the chakra she has left to heal the other kage but is going to die after shes done. I also dont think that sakura is going to see tsunade before her death because shes heading to narutos direction.

Sorry but i just cant imagine another way

You see this is what I meant, is seeming more like Sakura role is to be Naruto's wife at the end of the Manga and nothing else. I rest my case, is this is how some fans think about her not getting any development, power wise or have a great impact on the story by helping Naruto in an emotional way (after all that's is the role of the heroine), just imagine those who really hate her character or call her ueless.

[James S Cassidy]

Poor Tsunade...

…She didn’t make the cut.

She had to split.

Madara cut her a break.

She made a split decision.

*is going to hell now*

Yeah, when it came to fighting Madara, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

She is now half the woman she used to be.

I guess Madara was such a Casanova cause he swept Tsunade right off her feet.

To be honest I am not sure what Tsunade is going to do. I'm stumped.

Maybe she'll pull herself together and walk it off.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Yeah, when it came to fighting Madara, she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

She is now half the woman she used to be.

I guess Madara was such a Casanova cause he swept Tsunade right off her feet.

To be honest I am not sure what Tsunade is going to do. I'm stumped.

Maybe she'll pull herself together and walk it off.

I am so screencapping this.

[PhenixElite]

You see this is what I meant, is seeming more like Sakura role is to be Naruto's wife at the end of the Manga and nothing else. I rest my case, is this is how some fans think about her not getting any development, power wise or have a great impact on the story by helping Naruto in an emotional way (after all that's is the role of the heroine), just imagine those who really hate her character or call her ueless.

Sakura is my favourite character after Naruto but you have to see it realistic. The main character is still naruto and sakura supports naruto emotional since episode one to become stronger thats why shes also a main charcter.
So now think of it Sakura is not a good fighter shes only good at healing and supporting naruto but shes not suddenly going to be a hero like naruto and defeats madara or tobi or someone else thats just not her role in this manga.

[ciardha]

Actually, I kind of disagree with you on how this affects Sakura. Remember when Jiraiya died, we didn't even get to see the full extent of their relationship until Naruto found out about his death. So maybe we'll see more of her relationship with Sakura from some flashbacks after her death.

Exactly. Plus Sakura is a much more restrained person with grieving than Naruto. Sakura's sense of loss was most certainly shown in the manga but she tends to be private about it. (both Chiyo's death and Tsunade's coma.)

[ninja_salamander]

Finally a chapter I was waiting for really interesting chapter loved how kages got beat and now Naruto have a chance to win over the biggest villain in narutoverse!! Yeah!! I hope kishi doesn't make sasuke enter the scene and take Naruto's spotlight of fighting madara!!!

[Don-kun]

Sakura is my favourite character after Naruto but you have to see it realistic. The main character is still naruto and sakura supports naruto emotional since episode one to become stronger thats why shes also a main charcter.
So now think of it Sakura is not a good fighter shes only good at healing and supporting naruto but shes not suddenly going to be a hero like naruto and defeats madara or tobi or someone else thats just not her role in this manga.

Sorry but I'm positive that I didn't say anything about Sakura beating Madara or developing Any great skill to beat him, this is what you're are assuming by thinking I meant that.

We saw Tsunade kissing Dan on his forehead, what Dan did with Tsunade's forehead?

Naruto always encourage Sakura, why Sakura cannot inspire Naruto with her words, after getting a reality check from Tsunade or Tsunade's lost words to her, later she can give him a reality check on his desire to die with Sasuke or him not wanting to become Hokage if he cannot save Sasuke, it will also make Sasuke's redemption lest predictable while creating some knew tension or Sakura could also be the one who brings him back from his emotional despair.

I menat that way, with Tsunade being alive is a 100% guarantee that Sakura will be the strongest Kunoichi in the Future or with her there at his last moment is also possible that she will pass on her knowledge before she dies while giving her some wise advise about her relationship with Naruto by telling her not to wait until is too late to let him know how she really feels about him.

[KnS]

Regarding Madara, Kabuto tweaked him around, remember?? the remark Kabuto made about perfecting ET culminated in Madara's current form.

Thanks for answering me, Codus. I do remember Kabuto saying he perfected the ET, and that Madara has been adjusted, but I just don't see / remember how that would have affected ET!Madara's youthful appearance. I guess it doesn't really matter either way. It appears Madara did live a long time, and the specifics of how the ET was changed for Madara are to be accepted on face value -- like so many other technical details in this story.

No, it is almost certainly impossible. Losing a lot of blood in a short amount of time would reduce the overall blood pressure dramatically, sending the body into shock, and therefore losing consciousness. Unless you have a blood transfusion, you would almost certainly die. But that is real life.

As I posted several pages ago, there are documented cases of human beings surviving injuries much like what Tsunade has now endured, either temporarily or, in rare cases, permanently. In such cases, the conditions are just right that rapid blood loss, subsequent loss of consciousness, and immediate cascading organ failure does not occur. The location of the injury and/or the weight and consistent pressure of the severing object prevents it. A certain stability can be achieved -- for a while, anyway -- until the severing object is removed. That's when the person normally bleeds out and organs fail, etc.

In a story chock full of fantastical physiological elements -- bloodline limits, hosting tailed beasts within the human body, battlefield eye transplants, rampant DNA experimentation and modification, turning the human arm into a lightning blade, Mokuton (need I say more?), etc. -- what Kishimoto has done with Tsunade is the least unrealistic and implausible, as it lands squarely within the realm of real world possibility by comparison.

I wonder if it's to one-up himself. He already had her run through the gut and she lived from that. So maybe he feels he needs an injury she cannot undo with that particular jutsu. The deal with the slug makes her look a bit heroic (don't worry about me, save them), but yeah, a lot of characters see to come with some assembly required and the slug is rather....unfazed for seeing such an injury. The frogs would be spazzing if they saw that.

Later I got to thinking about Tsunade's speech regarding the rule for medical nins not getting involved in the fighting. She disregarded her own rule, and now she's nearly incapacitated and has put her ability to perform her prime function at risk. She's going to use what's left of her chakra to save the other Kage first, and then if there's anything left... well, it's anyone's guess.

[T XD]

Actually, you can see here (thanks to MS for providing better quality scans ) that there is a real Naruto and KB:



The small panel on the left in the middle of the page shows Naruto standing in front of Kakashi but on the next panel, you see there's another Naruto at the back with Bee. The KB is the one standing in front of Kakashi because when you switch to the next page, Madara says "over there...."



Which referred to real Naruto.

The MS is definitely better than MR !

Thanks for answering me, Codus. I do remember Kabuto saying he perfected the ET, and that Madara has been adjusted, but I just don't see / remember how that would have affected ET!Madara's youthful appearance. I guess it doesn't really matter either way. It appears Madara did live a long time, and the specifics of how the ET was changed for Madara are to be accepted on face value -- like so many other technical details in this story.

It could be nothing or just a logical thought. Do you remember when Madara was asking Obito about the plan and that there's something in the plan that he doesn't understand then Obito was hesitantly answering him ? Plus there's this page that Codus N have posted about when that ninja, which i don't remember his name, remembered Kabuto when he was saying that he was unsure if Madara will act as planned ?
There's something telling me that they planned the plan with a part where Madara should be expected to do a specific role without his knowing. It seems that they set for him a trap or something like that to use him in something else.

So any thoughts guys ?

Edited by T XD, 12 September 2012 - 07:29 PM.

[Nefertieh]

You write you doubt that but an honest question, did we see something else? All of Sakura's motivations are to help her friends, support Naruto and keep Team 7 hopes alive, I didn't see Kishi focusing on anything else, her relationship with Ino was broken because of Sasuke and we didn't know anything about her parent, so show me another aspect of her bond with another character being focus on the manga on a regular basis.
Like I said I can only speak about what I see, I speculate a lot but I try not to speculate over things I see camon in the Manga, it's just like other doubting Tobi was Obito, I try to make sense of the things I see not what I want to believe.

Sakura need to have a direct contact with Tsunade for it to have a great impact on her character and if she will end up understanding Sasuke and Naruto it will only upset her view on the way Sasuke has been with her since she will think that he did all of this because he lost someone very important to him, not allowing her to rationally think about herself instead she will tike about Naruto losing Jiraiya and Sasuke going on a rampage because of his clan making her related with him in some way.

No, I meant Tsunade's death could mean Sakura herself will have to fight harder, maybe learn to summon, but not necesarily change her perspective on Sasuke or Naruto (as the commenter I quoted had said). Naruto had go lose Jiraiya to understand that pain, but he's the one who will talk/ empathize/ fight Sasuke, not Sakura.

As I posted several pages ago, there are documented cases of human beings surviving injuries much like what Tsunade has now endured, either temporarily or, in rare cases, permanently. In such cases, the conditions are just right that rapid blood loss, subsequent loss of consciousness, and immediate cascading organ failure does not occur. The location of the injury and/or the weight and consistent pressure of the severing object prevents it. A certain stability can be achieved -- for a while, anyway -- until the severing object is removed. That's when the person normally bleeds out and organs fail, etc.

Hence "almost certainly."

Edited by Nefertieh, 12 September 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[KnS]

It could be nothing or just a logical thought. Do you remember when Madara was asking Obito about the plan and that there's something in the plan that he doesn't understand then Obito was hesitantly answering him ? Plus there's this page that Codus N have posted about when that ninja, which i don't remember his name, remembered Kabuto when he was saying that he was unsure if Madara will act as planned ?
There's something telling me that they planned the plan with a part where Madara should be expected to do a specific role without his knowing. It seems that they set for him a trap or something like that to use him in something else.

So any thoughts guys ?

Honestly, I need to reread everything since Madara's resurrection because I'm fuzzy about a lot of the details. And honestly, I'm tempted to give up trying to guess what Kishimoto is going to do and just enjoy the ride for a while.

Hence "almost certainly."

I tend to be literal when interpreting absolute state words such as impossible, and I still had your previous statement -- "Surviving would be impossible in real life, neither is being conscious after losing so much blood" -- in mind when I replied. It seemed clear that you felt Tsunade's survival, and even the possibility of her consciousness, was impossible under the circumstances. My apologies for misunderstanding.