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[Hiraishin]

I really hope this isn't the genuine Obito, though (plus it wouldn't work with the timeline). He seemed like a kid who would never give up hope, like Naruto. Even if he was manipulated and all that to be turned evil (like the Uchiha have a tendency to do). Even with Rin's death, and some other things, I think I'd expect him to just be depressed and reclusive, rather than evil and... Evil. It might be seen as a good contrast between Tobi and Naruto, past and present generations, and as another one of those "gone astray" stories. Someone who is similar to Naruto, but strayed from the right path, you know, unlike Naruto. But I want Obito to be a good boy! xD Although I guess we might get a hint of what would happen to Naruto if Sakura died. Anyway, I'm with those who say there's someone else behind it. But who?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's a thought. Perhaps Tobi is half Obito and half Tobi (?). Think about it. Perhaps the clumsy Tobi was Obito (you know the good boy). It makes sense with his Narutoish personality. I think Tobi got full control of Obito's body, so now it's just a vessel. It's a good possibility, especially how Tobi said that he found the Sharingan. Found? You mean, "I always have"? It is strange. Next chapters are going to be exciting and story heavy.

[harry4e]

Maybe what happened was, Obito thought he was dying, and last moments he activated his MS, (Maybe the fact he was trapped under the rubble whilst his teammates were fighting made him believe his friends were killed, and the guilt was enough to awaken the MS) ended up in Kamuiverse and survived, once he returned found by Zetsu who was feasting on the Kuma Nin, it saw the MS, and took him to Madara, who used the tech he gained from creating Zetsu, and the power of his new unlocked Rinnigan, rebuilt him. then used the power of the Genjutsu to torture and brainwash him, he made his escape somehow, found out everyone had moved on, Rin was dead, and Kakashi was a shell of a man who spent his time infront of a stone.

With his fragile mental state from Madara's torture, and seeing Kakashi he loses faith in the world and plans to create a world where everyone is stuck in a genjutsu happy and he can be with Rin, So Madara trains him and tells him about the past, and his plans for Negato, after Madara dies, he goes off to create his ideal world, where he can be with Rin.

If this actually turns out to be true i'll probably cry, because it sounds like a plot of a bad fanfic, but at the same time, I can't see Obito turning bad on his own (without have the concience of Madara or even Madara's brother placed inside him) without taking advantage of his inferiority and anger towards Kakashi and Rin.

I know he probably will get redeemed somehow, but I like others hope he doesn't, no matter what his motives, anyone who tries to blow up a newborn baby, and seperate a mother from her son seconds after he was born does not deserve redemption, screw everything else he did wrong, that alone for me means he doesn't deserve to be saved.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

[TouKen4Life3g]

Maybe what happened was, Obito thought he was dying, and last moments he activated his MS, (Maybe the fact he was trapped under the rubble whilst his teammates were fighting made him believe his friends were killed, and the guilt was enough to awaken the MS) ended up in Kamuiverse and survived, once he returned found by Zetsu who was feasting on the Kuma Nin, it saw the MS, and took him to Madara, who used the tech he gained from creating Zetsu, and the power of his new unlocked Rinnigan, rebuilt him. then used the power of the Genjutsu to torture and brainwash him, he made his escape somehow, found out everyone had moved on, Rin was dead, and Kakashi was a shell of a man who spent his time infront of a stone.

With his fragile mental state from Madara's torture, and seeing Kakashi he loses faith in the world and plans to create a world where everyone is stuck in a genjutsu happy and he can be with Rin, So Madara trains him and tells him about the past, and his plans for Negato, after Madara dies, he goes off to create his ideal world, where he can be with Rin.

If this actually turns out to be true i'll probably cry, because it sounds like a plot of a bad fanfic, but at the same time, I can't see Obito turning bad on his own (without have the concience of Madara or even Madara's brother placed inside him) without taking advantage of his inferiority and anger towards Kakashi and Rin.

I know he probably will get redeemed somehow, but I like others hope he doesn't, no matter what his motives, anyone who tries to blow up a newborn baby, and seperate a mother from her son seconds after he was born does not deserve redemption, screw everything else he did wrong, that alone for me means he doesn't deserve to be saved.

Sounds possible, but when did Madara die? Didn't he die against First Hokage? Somebody refresh my memory.

You know, perhaps the term "Tobi" is like religion stuff. Well, not really, but maybe like passing down generation to generation. I don't know. Just a random thought.

[redragon88]

Sounds possible, but when did Madara die? Didn't he die against First Hokage? Somebody refresh my memory.

You know, perhaps the term "Tobi" is like religion stuff. Well, not really, but maybe like passing down generation to generation. I don't know. Just a random thought.

I'm almost sure that the Tobi who faced off against Minato was different than the current Tobi-Obito. Tobi was using another body at the time and years later he then took possession of Obito's body.

As to why he had Obito's sharingan when he thought Minato, I'm gonna guess that until Obito was ready for Tobi to use him that he took out the other sharingan as he deemed it useful for his plan to attack Konoha. Then when Tobi decided to finally use Obito as a vessel he implanted the sharingan right back.

I think the current Tobi-Obito is a two souls one body type of deal. It could be that the only way Tobi can use the body of others is that they willingly cooperate with him. That's why Tobi was so pissed at Kakashi in the current fight, because that was actually Obito speaking.

I believe Obito was corrupted in one way or another. Tobi probably has the power to manipulate people's brains and that's how he got Obito to share his dark ambitions. Therefore getting Obito to willingly share his body with Tobi for the sake of fulfilling the Moon's Eye plan.

[Transformers03]

Sounds possible, but when did Madara die? Didn't he die against First Hokage? Somebody refresh my memory.

You know, perhaps the term "Tobi" is like religion stuff. Well, not really, but maybe like passing down generation to generation. I don't know. Just a random thought.

This is just a speculation, but....

The second Hokage's name: Tobirama Senju
Tobirama
Tobi

[merryGOflava]

This is just a speculation, but....

The second Hokage's name: Tobirama Senju
Tobirama
Tobi

:o

[candycane-chan]

This is just a speculation, but....

The second Hokage's name: Tobirama Senju
Tobirama
Tobi

it's just a coincidence...or is it ?....ok serieously i dont think this means anything

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

tobi is an anagram of obito.

case closed.

[naruto-z]

tobi is an anagram of obito.

case closed.

Wrong. You missed an "o"

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Wrong. You missed an "o"

it can turn to "0"
i said anagram not complete opposite.

[Greed-Sama]

it can turn to "0"
i said anagram not complete opposite.

Quote from the dictionary - An anagram is a type of word play, the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once

So you're still wrong.

[Konohakitten]

All the loop holes with characters age's and events is just frustrating. Tobi being Obito just doesn't fit, I'm not going to even try and makes sense of it. I wonder if Kishi is going to clear things up or if hes just going to stay on the path that hes currently on.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Quote from the dictionary - An anagram is a type of word play, the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once

So you're still wrong.

we agree to disagree then i'm not wrong it's an anagram not opposite o can turn to 0, so it turns to be 0tobi.
dont quote me i dont want to join a discuss, just ignore.

[StrawberryAcappella]

I dont post often but i must say: YES!!! Mother kittenING YES!!!!! Finally, Im Right With One Thing!!!!! Thank you Kishi for this, thank you!

[ciardha]

There are two things that don't make sense in the flashback:

1) The face of the Hokage mountain. I think it was implied before that Minato became Hokage after the 3rd ninja war was over.

Actually there's nothing in the manga that points to that. In fact, we know Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage (when Kakashi was nominated it was stated Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage, that means he was younger than Hiruzen, who at the oldest was 24 when he became Hokage, he was already Hokage when he became the Sanin's Genin team senei at 25. That means Minato was 23 or younger when he became Hokage.

2) Kakashi's age when he took the chunin exams. It's known that Kakashi became genin at age 5 and then chunin at age 6. Meanwhile Obito and Rin both became genin at age 9 and then chunin at age 11.

This mean that Kakashi should've already been a chunin away before both Obito and Rin even graduated from the academy. Granted those ages come from the databooks so it's a very high possibility the Kishi will decide to somehow inform the fans that the information on Kakashi's age in the databook is actually inaccurate.

The age issue has me intrigued. Maybe Kishi decide to let someone else establish those ages, or maybe Kishi didn't give it much thought when he put them in the databook. The databook ages even go against the fact that they are all in the same team. If Kakashi became a ninja way before Obito and Rin that would mean he actually had a different genin team at the beginning but that never got any reference. Which would mean Obito and Rin are the only teammates he's ever had.

I guess Kishi will probably retcon Kakashi to become a genin at age 9 (the same as Obito and Rin, therefore placing them all on the same team since the beginning) and then make it so Kakashi became chunin at age 10 while Obito and Rin achieved it a year later at 11.

It was in the databooks, not the manga, Kishimoto has changed his mind about things in the databooks before...

[Transformers03]

Reread the chapter, and then read the Kakashi Gaiden chapters again........and then reread the chapter again (I really like this chapter).
Reading those Gaiden chapters again really didn't change my viewpoint that I already had prior this chapter. I thought rereading those chapters again would have given me a better understanding of Obito's character, but really he still just came off as a Naruto clone. Admittedly he comes out MORE of a Naruto clone in this chapter, but it focused on his more positive personality. Like the hint that he probably wanted to become Hokage too, his relationship with Rin, and the fact he really did helped old ladies. In the Gaiden chapters, they made him more of a smart a$$, and he acted like he was all that, while in reality he was a crybaby (he didn't seem like a crybaby this chapter, and if he was Tobi this whole time, then he REALLY grew out of that). Those are all characteristics that he shares with Naruto, minus the crybaby part (unless I'm really recalling those early episodes wrong), and he does grow during the course of the Gaiden chapters.

But I like I said, this chapter showed more of his positive character traits, making us like him more. In the Gaiden chapters, they showed off his more immature personalities. However, as he grew, we start to like him more......only for him to die in the end.

Surprisingly, rereading this chapter again after I reread the Gaiden chapters actually made me like this chapter, and the character Obito, even more, because I now remember who the hell he was.

[The Tax-Man]

Actually there's nothing in the manga that points to that. In fact, we know Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage (when Kakashi was nominated it was stated Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage, that means he was younger than Hiruzen, who at the oldest was 24 when he became Hokage, he was already Hokage when he became the Sanin's Genin team senei at 25. That means Minato was 23 or younger when he became Hokage.




It was in the databooks, not the manga, Kishimoto has changed his mind about things in the databooks before...

So then THE Hokage went out on the field with a chunin/jonin team (my bad) just to take out a bridge and eliminate twenty or so men? I see no explanation for that. SO it would only make sense that he did something in the war that made Hiruzen finally pass on the title. That would fit perfectly with Jiraya failing to 'save' Orochimaru after he got upset that he wasn't given the title. Minato already being hokage before the war would screw up way more things than it would fix. So unless otherwise directly stated, I'll assume that Kishimoto made a mistake in ONE panel. I mean come on, he's only human.

And to your age point, he was not yet thirty (Younger than Kakashi) and he was used as a benchmark for 'youngest hokage' when Danzo was nominated. Everyone also called Kakashi too young to be Hokage so we can assume Hiruzen was at least in his mid thirties by the time he became hokage. Now you choose.

EDIT
And how do you know he was 25 when he became the Sanin's sensei? Am I missing something?

Edited by The Tax-Man, 31 August 2012 - 06:01 AM.

[HalfStarStudios]

This chapter was the worst chapter i've ever read. It has nothing to do with Tobi being Obito either(though there's plot holes with that but i'll get to that later). The timeline in this chapter is screwed to the max. Kakashi was said to be six when he took the Chuunin Exams. Does he look 6 there? Hell no. Why the hell is Minatos face on the Mountain when he didn't become Hokage until after Obito's death? Some of the people who are in Kakashi's class are not supposed to be there. Some of them are supposed to be 2 years old! But they are they same age as Kakashi all of the sudden? Genma should have been 2 when Kakashi graduated. He looks a little old for a 2 year old.

Now as for the Obito problem. When Obito fought Minato, he should be 14 yet he had the body of an adult? Wtf? Also how did he give Nagato the Rinnegan when Nagato was born way before him?! Why did Madara say that Obito's face was Madara's face?! The only way this could make sense is if my theory comes true.

The 3 Tobi's. Check it out.