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[Deej]

If you don't think there is favoritism, then try to expline that to: Ten Ten, Neji, Ino, Lee, Kiba, choji, Shino and sometimes Sakura.
It like this
Sasuke>>>>Naruto
Shikamaru
Hinata>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then the rest.

You have to be careful throwing around favoritism against an author. Because their favorites can change. Recently Kishimoto has said that Choji... yes CHOJI and Killer Bee were his favorite characters at the moment. And that Itachi was his favorite Akatsuki. Choji was really the only K12 kid other than Naruto to get any development and focus during the war. Killer Bee has gotten a lot of attention. And some has even accused Itachi of entering Mary Sue territory.

[Don-kun]

You have to be careful throwing around favoritism against an author. Because their favorites can change. Recently Kishimoto has said that Choji... yes CHOJI and Killer Bee were his favorite characters at the moment. And that Itachi was his favorite Akatsuki. Choji was really the only K12 kid other than Naruto to get any development and focus during the war. Killer Bee has gotten a lot of attention. And some has even accused Itachi of entering Mary Sue territory.

I'm only speaking about K-12, and his truth I did have Choji (InoShikaCho to be more Honest) in mind, but when I look at the overal story and the direction he is heading to I change my mind, they need to be a lot of focus on his characters to change my mind. example a dead man still been and hax character (Itachi). So he can say what he wants, but I will only just by what I read then merge it with what he show his readers.

[lord287]

i think we should get back to the point we argue and want to prove in this thread i.e. NARUSAKU WILL HAPPEN OR NOT!

I don't want that administrators enter again and close this thread for few days!

[FoolishYoungling]

i think we should get back to the point we argue and want to prove in this thread i.e. NARUSAKU WILL HAPPEN OR NOT!

I don't want that administrators enter again and close this thread for few days!

The administrators don't close a thread for getting off topic. They close it when immature people start unnecessary arguments. Ex: bashing, trolling, trash talking, criticism.. etc

[Anguyen92]

Its ok to talk about stuff from the manga that does not involve NaruSaku, but has, in some way, to do with the course or path of the series that may determine the actions that leads to NaruSaku.

[redragon88]

Here's a thought that crossed my mind the other day. Do any of you think that the reason Sakura's confession came out in such a forceful way is because she thought Naruto would refuse to believe it otherwise?

Many of you have said that she took her time to think things trough while traveling to Iron Country, so she probably rehearsed how she was going to say it over and over again, while at the same time imagining how he would react to it. Naruto knew how strongly she felt about Sasuke before so Sakura probably thought that simply saying "I love you" wasn't gonna be enough for him to accept it. That's when Sakura decided she needed to explain herself and give him logical reasons as to why she would fall in love with him, love is not about logic and that's why her explanation for falling for him came off as wrong. Then there was the issue of making Naruto give up on Sasuke which she knew would be a next to impossible mission to do.

Sakura had 2 tasks at hand when she was gonna talk to Naruto:
1) Convincing Naruto that she loved him, which would be difficult given her affection of Sasuke
2) Convincing Naruto that Sasuke wasn't worth the trouble he was going through, an even more difficult task in my opinion

She then realized that those 2 points had one thing in common: Sasuke. This is why I think she decided to include Sasuke as part of her confession instead of just focusing on Naruto. Sakura concluded that if she took a logical approach to her confession by describing how great Naruto is and how bad Sasuke has become she could convince Naruto to take her point of view, she thought this approach was the only one he would believe. She then concluded that if Naruto realized how far Sasuke had fallen by accepting her confession that it would make it easier to tell him of the decision to kill Sasuke.

[Phantom_999]

Well Shonen series DO usually have that Sunshine and rainbows Deus Ex Machina, so expect it to happen. Not a guarantee but EXPECT IT. I do prefer those kinds of endings usually but Not doing it is a great twist so I'm up for either or.

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 April 2012 - 10:11 PM.

[MangaReader]

Oh my gosh...it's been way too long since I last logged on...too long

So, wow, what can I say...

Sakura's Confession seems to be a big lately. Well, from experiences sakes and knowing pretty much the psychology of what goes down, I can safely assume she was cautiously contemplating her words to Naruto. I can't confirm or deny that she still loves Sasuke (we all say she does though), but he is still a big part of her life (no questions there). Now what I always got from Naruto's breaking point during that little conversation was a bunch of mixed feelings...he seemed to not believe that Sakura could ever accept him for who he was do to how she always viewed Sasuke, but it appeared he honestly wanted to believe she was telling him the truth. Still, I have no doubts regardless of what happens, that NaruSaku is destined to happen, because with all the writing that's come before us, nothing else seems as logical.

Now onto Sasuke and his "redemption" or "no redemption" Honestly, I never liked the thought of this discussion, mainly because it really seems that Kishi is going the redemption route. Not like this should have an effect on NaruSaku, but it does seem like a crappy ending to a story that was played up to be dramatic overall. I mean this is story about two friends who chose different paths in order to obtain power, with the one doing completely evil deeds and making a huge claim to destroy the village he was once apart of...if you just turn a blind eye to all those things...that's literally unrealistic. I don't know if Sasuke needs to die, but in regards to returning, I feel that should not happen

[TerrorKing]

I agree that one of the biggest problems with Sakura's confession was that she tried to bring logic into her reasoning. It simply made the whole thing come of as rather cold and calculative. More than anything else, I think that is what might have ticked Naruto off. Like MangaReader said, I think Naruto was more than willing to buy into the fact the Sakura may have taken a liking to him, but as soon as she began treating the whole thing like an equation, that's when he became suspicious. I don't think Naruto is a logical person in terms of love. He wants Sakura to choose him because that's what feels right to her, not because it's what makes most sense. However, what convinced me that there was some truth in what she was said were the parts where she drops her calculative facade and instead begins to run on raw emotion.

here and here

Here it looks like Naruto has struck a nerve with her. This makes her lose control, encouraging her to speak directly from the heart, without any thought of an ulterior motive or "plan".

Of course, this is mostly just speculation on my part. Truth be told, I don't think were gonna be able to properly decipher this confession before Before Naruto and Sakura sits down quietly and have a chat.

Off topic TerrorKing love your RE6 sig.

Thanks. Resident Evil is probably my favorite video game series ever, so I'm really looking forward to the new one.

Edited by TerrorKing, 11 April 2012 - 12:57 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I agree that one of the biggest problems with Sakura's confession was that she tried to bring logic into her reasoning. It simply made the whole thing come of as rather cold and calculative. More than anything else, I think that is what might have ticked Naruto off. Like MangaReader said, I think Naruto was more than willing to buy into the fact the Sakura may have taken a liking to him, but as soon as she began treating the whole thing like an equation, that's when he became suspicious. I don't think Naruto is a logical person in terms of love. He wants Sakura to choose him because that's what feels right to her, not because it's what makes most sense. However, what convinced me that there was some truth in what she was said were the parts where she drops her calculative facade and instead begins to run on raw emotion.

here and here

Here it looks like Naruto has struck a nerve with her. This makes her lose control, encouraging her to speak directly from the heart, without any thought of an ulterior motive or "plan".

Of course, this is mostly just speculation on my part. Truth be told, I don't think were gonna be able to properly decipher this confession before Before Naruto and Sakura sits down quietly and have a chat.

Off topic TerrorKing love your RE6 sig.

[Dragunov]

Lets keep this going forward: if Sakura its still inconclusive over how to mend her current relationship decisions, what would it take to make her decide once and for all that she wants to be with Naruto? And if she already has decided, how would she go about leaving any romantic feelings she has for Sasuke. Some argue that she still has remaining feelings for Sasuke; if two attempts of murder didnt get her to change her mind, then what will? Now, besides the point, there's been something that has been sitting on my mind for a while. If Sasuke had accepted her plea to leave the village with him back in his departure, would she go through with it? And if she followed through with Sasuke, would she have followed his attempts to eliminate the village and eventually Naruto? (This is just speculation of course.)

[MangaReader]

Lets keep this going forward: if Sakura its still inconclusive over how to mend her current relationship decisions, what would it take to make her decide once and for all that she wants to be with Naruto? And if she already has decided, how would she go about leaving any romantic feelings she has for Sasuke. Some argue that she still has remaining feelings for Sasuke; if two attempts of murder didnt get her to change her mind, then what will? Now, besides the point, there's been something that has been sitting on my mind for a while. If Sasuke had accepted her plea to leave the village with him back in his departure, would she go through with it? And if she followed through with Sasuke, would she have followed his attempts to eliminate the village and eventually Naruto? (This is just speculation of course.)

Interesting...

For the attempts on her life, I don't know why that didn't change her views, but seeing as it was the heat of the moment, she's had time to think about stuff like that by now, if anything, it probably has to be something Naruto might do that helps her make a complete decision. Otherwise, Sasuke has to probably do something even worst that makes her realize he was never how she pictured him. But as for your second question, that one is a little easier to cover. Sakura never intended to follow Sasuke to begin with, even if he was begin honest in accepting her. There's no way, even for Sasuke, that she would follow through with his goals, unless she made a complete 360 turn around in her personality and way of thinking. I can't see that, so I'm glad it never happened XD

[Strangelove]

But that was the one with development. Just because it was very short, doesn't mean there was any development. And VegetaXBulma is a bad example because even though they did interacted, they were paired off because of Trunks' debut for making the story/purpose, at least, sense. (And of course, Toriyama's attempt to piss off the fans).

You would prefer Bulma and The Raditz of the Z Fighters?

[lord287]

Lets keep this going forward: if Sakura its still inconclusive over how to mend her current relationship decisions, what would it take to make her decide once and for all that she wants to be with Naruto? And if she already has decided, how would she go about leaving any romantic feelings she has for Sasuke. Some argue that she still has remaining feelings for Sasuke; if two attempts of murder didnt get her to change her mind, then what will? Now, besides the point, there's been something that has been sitting on my mind for a while. If Sasuke had accepted her plea to leave the village with him back in his departure, would she go through with it? And if she followed through with Sasuke, would she have followed his attempts to eliminate the village and eventually Naruto? (This is just speculation of course.)

I don't think sakura would have agreed to his goals of destorying the village but she might not have that much problem at that time to try help sasuke killing naruto because she was still not close enough to naruto back then! Moreover i don't think orochimaru would have let her live and maybe naruto would have already brought her back with him during the try to retrieve sasuke!

I kind of agree with the point that how will her feelings of sasuke change even if the 2 tries of him trying to kilss sakura can't change her feelings towards him. I mean chapter 540 showed that she had romantic feelings for sasuke(even if we want to believe or not). I am really waiting for naruto to say some words of romance in manga coz only he is left who has not made a confession(even though the affect will not be whole because sai already told her about his feelings), but if naruto says that he loves sakura then 99% of my hope will return for narusaku otherwise right now i think i am really doubting the pairing!

[Derock]

You would prefer Bulma and The Raditz of the Z Fighters?

I would rather expect Yamcha had his act together and worked out with Bulma, but alas... we know that didn't come true.

[KnS]

I just wanted to point out something about point No.2. If I am correct in seeing sakura's character if Naruto would have done something like this(though he will never) and the same question was asked to sakura, I think she would have given a same reaction i.e. started crying without saying anything!

For the record I agree with you that Sakura would also cry for Naruto. We've seen her do it several times, and it's a good indication that she loves him. Example #2 wasn't so much about Sakura crying (I was mostly describing the scene to help people remember which one I was talking about) as her inability to answer Karui's question, "What's Sasuke to you?" The point I was trying to make was that if Sakura wasn't confused about her feelings for Sasuke (and for Naruto, too) she could have answered that question fairly easily.

the point No. 3 was also kind of invalid because karin says she also loves sasuke which means that Karin also was not only having a crush on sasuke, but karin also loved sasuke!! And if other people seeing that someone loves someone makes it love then yamato was also about to state that sakura loves naruto and then sai also stated after her confession that sakura loves sasuke(which will make narusaku dead).

Karin's crush/love for Sasuke has nothing to do with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Karin was just the person who noticed Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in that scene.

Yes, Yamato was on the verge of saying Sakura loves Naruto, and I think she does. But the whole point of my posts has been that Sakura is just confused because her feelings for both Naruto and Sasuke have been so mixed up. Sasuke is her old love and Naruto is her new love. If Sakura has confused feelings for Sasuke that does not mean Naruto/Sakura is dead. It's not dead, and in my opinion it's the only pairing in the story that isn't.

I still hope that she is going to chose naruto in the end(if naruto lives) but i can't see how will kishi erase the effect of the deep feelings he has made sakura show towards sasuke!

The way I see it, Sakura has already chosen Naruto. And the reason you can't see for sure how Kishimoto will erase the last bit of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke is because he doesn't want readers to see it yet. But have faith that he will.

Moreover if someone only watched the anime the confession she did to Naruto has already been made fake because of the scene they added when sakura was heading towards sasuke! If I was watching only anime, for me narusaku don't have much chances of happening because sakura's feelings for sasuke are shown to be very deep and i think even deeper than for Naruto![/b]

The lesson here is to not rely on the anime for the actual story. Read the manga. Always the manga.

If sakura ever has to chose in a life death situation between GOOD Sasuke and GOOD Naruto(which may happen in end) i don't think her first choice will be Naruto!

I really don't see that happening.

The only valid chapter from ur points where i find kishi was indicating Sakura's romantic feelings towards sasuke was chapter 540!

That's cool. You don't have to agree with me. It's interesting getting different perspectives.

Lets keep this going forward: if Sakura its still inconclusive over how to mend her current relationship decisions, what would it take to make her decide once and for all that she wants to be with Naruto? And if she already has decided, how would she go about leaving any romantic feelings she has for Sasuke. Some argue that she still has remaining feelings for Sasuke; if two attempts of murder didnt get her to change her mind, then what will? Now, besides the point, there's been something that has been sitting on my mind for a while. If Sasuke had accepted her plea to leave the village with him back in his departure, would she go through with it? And if she followed through with Sasuke, would she have followed his attempts to eliminate the village and eventually Naruto? (This is just speculation of course.)

When I've suggested the possibility that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke, I mean she's simply confused by what she feels for him. Bear with me as I try to explain.

Yes, Sasuke tried to kill Sakura twice and that should be enough to kill any romantic love she has for him, and I actually think it has. But she still loves him and is committed to him as a friend and teammate, and I think that's where her confusion comes in. It's a very deep and important bond that is the cornerstone of shinobi life and training, and it's the same bond that has Naruto hanging onto his old feelings for Sasuke as well.

The difference is Naruto doesn't have the added complication of old romantic feelings for Sasuke the way Sakura does. I think she just hasn't quite figured out how to let go of the romantic aspect of her feelings for Sasuke while continuing to hold out hope for his redemption the way Naruto does. (I think if she knew how to do that her confession would have been very different, and she wouldn't have felt she had to try to kill Sasuke by herself.)

Incidentally, people frequently mention that Sasuke tried to kill Sakura and yet she still cares about him on some level, blah blah. But what about Naruto? As tricksie pointed out (and I completely agree), there is strong evidence in the manga that Sakura is Naruto's most precious person. And yet beyond reminding Sasuke that she was a member of Team 7 too, Sakura's near death by Sasuke's hand didn't shake Naruto's dedication to Sasuke or his sympathy for him. It didn't stop Naruto's desire to tell the crazy mofo that he was happy he met him, that he would always be his friend, and he was willing to die to take on all Sasuke's hate and pain. It didn't put even the slightest dent in his determination to save him.

So to me, it doesn't make much sense to judge Sakura and not Naruto. I would guess that all things being equal, Sakura's life probably means as much if not more to Naruto than it does to her, and yet he pretty much gave Sasuke a pass on trying to kill her too. So if Sakura needs to answer the "what's it going to take to change your mind about Sasuke" question, I think Naruto should have to answer it too.

Edited by KnS, 11 April 2012 - 04:48 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I kinda have to agree with KnS here. Naruto when he saved Sakura, though Naruto looked absolutely furious when Sasuke attempted to kill Sakura(And in the anime Naruto's japanese voice
seemed to be angry when he said Sasuke's name right after saving Sakura. Unless I heard wrong of course. ) it was only for a second. He pretty much already forgave Sasuke which makes me wonder if Naruto loves Sasuke more than Sakura(in different ways of course). I figured his anger would have lasted longer since that's Sakura which it probably would have if it wasn't Sasuke that tried to kill her.

Though maybe its not that he loves Sasuke more than Sakura but maybe because Sasuke is the one he needs to save ? Would Naruto try half as hard to save someone if it was Sakura was the
one in the darkness and not Sasuke? I don't know. I've thought of this before. Many times we have debated who Sakura loves more but never this: Does Naruto love Sasuke more than he does Sakura? Of course he loves them both in different ways but still. I wonder. What do you guys think?


I pretty much agree with everything KnS said.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 11 April 2012 - 06:43 AM.

[lord287]

I kinda have to agree with KnS here. Naruto when he saved Sakura, though Naruto looked absolutely furious when Sasuke attempted to kill Sakura(And in the anime Naruto's japanese voice
seemed to be angry when he said Sasuke's name right after saving Sakura. Unless I heard wrong of course. ) it was only for a second. He pretty much already forgave Sasuke which makes me wonder if Naruto loves Sasuke more than Sakura(in different ways of course). I figured his anger would have lasted longer since that's Sakura which it probably would have if it wasn't Sasuke that tried to kill her.

Though maybe its not that he loves Sasuke more than Sakura but maybe because Sasuke is the one he needs to save ? Would Naruto try half as hard to save someone if it was Sakura was the
one in the darkness and not Sasuke? I don't know. I've thought of this before. Many times we have debated who Sakura loves more but never this: Does Naruto love Sasuke more than he does Sakura? Of course he loves them both in different ways but still. I wonder. What do you guys think?


I pretty much agree with everything KnS said.

Well he saved sakura that's why he wasn't that angry with sasuke but if sakura would have got injured or died i think he would not have forgiven sasuke and got into proper fight over their! According to me the below ones are how naruto wants to do things(his most important goals)

1)bring peace to the world and save it
2)bring sasuke back and make him forget all the hatred
3)become hokage and be married with sakura
4)rest things if their are any

As for the part where u said whether naruto would have done anything like this for someone else i think he already did it for gaara and the only reason naruto's bond with sasuke is more stronger than his bond with gaara is because they were in same team and they knew each other since academy days and always thought of each other as friends even though they didn't show it!

The love of naruto towards sasuke and sakura can't be compared because his love or both of them is in different way but i can say If sakura would have struck badly by sasuke that time naruto would have panicked and not maintained his calm!!(but we know this never happened so why think and waste our head about it)

maybe if somehow rookie 11 meets sasuke and sasuke kills anyone (other than very non important like shino,ino etc) i think the person whose killing will enrage naruto the most will be sakura>hinata>maybe sai,rock lee or anyone else!!!

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Well he saved sakura that's why he wasn't that angry with sasuke but if sakura would have got injured or died i think he would not have forgiven sasuke and got into proper fight over their! According to me the below ones are how naruto wants to do things(his most important goals)

1)bring peace to the world and save it
2)bring sasuke back and make him forget all the hatred
3)become hokage and be married with sakura
4)rest things if their are any

As for the part where u said whether naruto would have done anything like this for someone else i think he already did it for gaara and the only reason naruto's bond with sasuke is more stronger than his bond with gaara is because they were in same team and they knew each other since academy days and always thought of each other as friends even though they didn't show it!

The love of naruto towards sasuke and sakura can't be compared because his love or both of them is in different way but i can say If sakura would have struck badly by sasuke that time naruto would have panicked and not maintained his calm!!(but we know this never happened so why think and waste our head about it)

maybe if somehow rookie 11 meets sasuke and sasuke kills anyone (other than very non important like shino,ino etc) i think the person whose killing will enrage naruto the most will be sakura>hinata>maybe sai,rock lee or anyone else!!!

Well I know he loves both of them differently. Sasuke like a brother and Sakura romantically. Of course Naruto didn't explode because Sakura didn't die or anything but still...I would think he would have
stayed a little more angry but instead he was calm for the most part. I just wonder Naruto is pretty much obsessed with saving Sasuke but I just wonder if Sakura was the one who left Konoha, would he try half as hard to save her like he does with Sasuke? It sometimes seems that Naruto cares more about Sasuke than her though maybe its because Sasuke is the one that needs to be saved. I just don't know. Like does Naruto care more about Sasuke than her? That's what I'm trying to say. I hope I'm not bringing up anything too ridiculous , just something to think about I guess.

[James S Cassidy]

I don't like the idea that in some way all could be forgiven with Sasuke. If that happens, we can just throw every "realism" argument out the window and say that NaruSaku deserve each other because they are like Peanut Butter and Jelly. It just doesn't make sense. If a former teammate/friend tried to kill me, I wouldn't trust him let alone forgive him. He would REALLY have to make an effort to convince me he is on the level before we could even discuss forgiveness. The only possible way for this to even happen and still be okay is if he sacrificed himself to save Naruto at the last moment. That is the only way I can see it.

I don't see why Sasuke needs to be forgiven or needs to turn good from my opinion. Kishi would just throw away the great opportunity to create a good Naruto vs Sasuke fight that most of us have been expecting. Like I said, if he becomes good this will never happen. Would you actually accept Sasuke coming back saying "I'm sorry" and then that's it? I hope not. That would be THE biggest ass-pull this story will ever have.

I have seen Shonen manga where a good guy becomes a bad guy and a bad guy becomes a good guy. Let me ask, what Shonen manga has it where a good guy becomes a bad guy and then goes back to be a good guy? I can't think of one example where it wasn't a convoluted plan or the character was a double agent. I really mean where the character goes from a good guy and turns bad. Then turns good again because of some reason. I can't think of a single one. Help me out here. Remember Good to bad back to good. Not Anti-hero turn good or "pretended to be a bad."

I would go back into discussion of NaruSaku, but most of the discussion has been done already and until I get some new idea or someone does, I don't know what else to discuss with it. If we even have a little bit of new info or new interaction between Naruto and Sakura, then you can bet this whole forum will blow up with new ideas or debates.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 April 2012 - 10:27 AM.