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[Nate River]

Okay, to shorten the debate:

If I was to hire someone from the Konoha 11 for the mission of protecting me (yeah, let's pretend I'm a princess or a some other Big hot-shot, I can dream right? )

I would, hand UP, without the slightest hesitation, take Sakura over ANY other person of Konoha 11.

Why?
Because she would explode the ground under anyone approaching me, would punch the bones to a pulp out of anyone coming near enough to me, and in the last case if I'm in a way wounded, she would heal me back to life.

There. None of the Konoha 11 can do that!!!

For me, it would depend on what I needed. Like if I need a ninja to interrogate my next door neighbor because I think he crapped on my lawn, I'd want Ino (how about that for a D-Rank Mission). If I needed to find a Lost Boy© I'd consider Kiba or Shino.

But really, I'd want Neji most of all. He has Gentle Fist and I could use that. He is...more skilled...with his hands than Hinata or any of the others for that matter.

Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

Seriously though, who'd I want would heavily depend on the specifics of the mission. I think Ino is probably appropriately ranked for combat, but I think she is getting somewhat of a bad rap here because she's not a combat ninja.

[Turson]

Okay, to shorten the debate:

If I was to hire someone from the Konoha 11 for the mission of protecting me (yeah, let's pretend I'm a princess or a some other Big hot-shot, I can dream right? )

I would, hand UP, without the slightest hesitation, take Sakura over ANY other person of Konoha 11.

Why?
Because she would explode the ground under anyone approaching me, would punch the bones to a pulp out of anyone coming near enough to me, and in the last case if I'm in a way wounded, she would heal me back to life.

There. None of the Konoha 11 can do that!!!

I would also pick her, but it would be rather thanks to her healing abilities than combat prowess. If I went for firepower only I would pick Neji, Rock Lee (gates) and Chouji (butterfly mode). Truth is though, Naruto or Sasuke would still solo team like this.

[Madz]

Lol to both above.
But that's the whole point. "Powerful" is VERY subjective.

I find it very difficult to point blank create a list starting from the most powerful to the least powerful. It NOT a straightforward comparison!

To ME, the Hyuugas (both Neji and Hinata) weakness is their too close combat range. The enemy needs to be practically on them for them to be able to attack - though of course they have the best defense.

personally I take Sakura because she is the all rounder - mid-range reach (exploding the ground) and close range reach (her punches) + her tactical skill (she has proven MANY times that she has an astounding analytical mind - I would say as good Shikamaru at times!).

And to ME, the one who can heal/bring to life is the most powerful of all. That's why I personally do not need to find/ or argue about the powers of Sakura (same for Tsunade - her medic powers, in my eye, surpass all and any other powers.)
Sakura is just fine and POWERFUL as she is. (Can you tell that I'm a Sakura fangirl? lol).

Edited by Madz, 30 March 2012 - 02:03 PM.

[Turson]

Lol to both above.
But that's the whole point. "Powerful" is VERY subjective.

To ME, the one who can heal/bring to life is the most powerful of all.

Lol that why I said I would pick her for my team. Only if I went for firepower only I would pick those three guys.

[The Tax-Man]

1. I don't care what you're taught. If you're going for a stronger physical blow, you're going to wind up farther, you're going to throw harder, and you're going to put more burden on your muscles. That's just how it works.

2. And what specialized tools would those be?

3. I'm not talking about chakra. I'm talking about physical stamina. If you throw bombs, and if you keep missing, you wear yourself out and you ruin your line of sight. It's not the energy that's lost on contact that's the problem, it's the energy that's wasted in the swing. Which will be particularly problematic against the Byakugan.

4. Of course.

5. And that's all it takes. If she can see you from wherever you are, and for miles around, no sneaky antics are going to get by. Traps are not going to be effective. And if your fighting style relies more on physical damage, your movements will not be subtle, so it won't take much to see through them. The only exception here is Lee, and only because his speed is far above and beyond anyone else. "It doesn't matter if you can see my attack if you're too slow to counter it."

Wow...

1. You seem to be simplifying too much. She is good with control. You know what that means? Guess not. This is not the real world. Repeat: not the real world. I don't know how many times it has to be shown that shinobi don't get tired with simple taijutsu for you to believe it. By your logic, Hidan and Tenten should get way more tired than you say Sakura would since they're hefting tons of weapons. But they don't. Why? Shinobi don't. Plus, no she WILL NOT end up farther because she, like all shinobi, does not put all her power into every punch. It doesn't matter how much power she puts. It's the chakra that does the work. The taijutsu she uses works by releasing chkra upon impact, and nothing else. Doesn't matter if she takes the Hyuga stance as long as she does that. SHE WILL ONLY RELEASE CHAKRA IF SHE HITS HER. <--- that's significant because since you say Hinata will always dodge her, there's then no reason at all for her to get exhausted or leave an opening. If you have anything but the same stuff you've been saying about that, then go ahead.

2. Oh you know, all the tools Hinata has never used. Actually, I don't even think I've seen any Hyuga use any tools.

3. Again, they don't get tired by the 'swing'. This manga would be a bunch of broken bones in three chapters if not for that simple fact.

4. Mmmhmm.

5. I never said she'd use traps. Remember how Neji got beaten? I meant those antics. Now please don't say Sakura can't do that, because she proved she is strong enough with Sasori and smart enough with Zetsu.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 30 March 2012 - 05:47 PM.

[Deej]

It's almost impossible to rank the Konoha 11 since we never see them fight outside of Naruto. I mean Neji is a jonin, but have we ever seen why he reached that rank? Kishi never focuses on him! Same with the others outside of maybe Team 10. I think we do have a decent idea about what Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji can do thanks to the war. But I can't compare them to Lee, Kiba, etc, based on their fights or lack-thereof in Shippuden.

+ her tactical skill (she has proven MANY times that she has an astounding analytical mind - I would say as good Shikamaru at times!).

I love Sakura, but I wouldn't go that far. Shikamaru with his over 200 I.Q. is in another league. A league where Kakashi is fanboying his intelligence and Tobi is calling him a worthy opponent.

But I do wonder about Shino vs. Sakura ? They both have the same intelligence stat, a 4. They both seem equal in tactics. I know some Shino fans who believe he is the second smartest out of the K11 and don't even consider Sakura. Although not K11, throw in Temari who is also from the same generation, and is praised for her mind. Never mind Gaara who like Shino, Temari, and Sakura, also gets a 4 in the databook.

Edited by Deej, 30 March 2012 - 06:46 PM.

[merryGOflava]

It's almost impossible to rank the Konoha 11 since we never see them fight outside of Naruto. I mean Neji is a jonin, but have we ever seen why he reached that rank? Kishi never focuses on him! Same with the others outside of maybe Team 10. I think we do have a decent idea about what Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji can do thanks to the war. But I can't compare them to Lee, Kiba, etc, based on their fights or lack-thereof in Shippuden.


I love Sakura, but I wouldn't go that far. Shikamaru with his over 200 I.Q. is in another league. A league where Kakashi is fanboying his intelligence and Tobi is calling him a worthy opponent.

But I do wonder about Shino vs. Sakura ? They both have the same intelligence stat, a 4. They both seem equal in tactics. I know some Shino fans who believe he is the second smartest out of the K11 and don't even consider Sakura. Although not K11, throw in Temari who is also from the same generation, and is praised for her mind. Never mind Gaara who like Shino, Temari, and Sakura, also gets a 4 in the databook.

i dont think sakura is tactical.....but a quick thinker, shes good at tricking people i think.
she tricked the sound ninja in the forest of death and sasori making him believe she was passed out then nailed his puppet, and even tried to trick sasuke (failed... but he was crazy at the time XD). heck she even tricked lee, sai, and kiba and knocked them out with sleepy bomb.

shes tricky kinda like naruto....but not quite i guess...naruto is also a quick thinker but hes more head on.

[Broken Figurine]

It's almost impossible to rank the Konoha 11 since we never see them fight outside of Naruto. I mean Neji is a jonin, but have we ever seen why he reached that rank? Kishi never focuses on him! Same with the others outside of maybe Team 10. I think we do have a decent idea about what Ino, Shikamaru, and Choji can do thanks to the war. But I can't compare them to Lee, Kiba, etc, based on their fights or lack-thereof in Shippuden.


I love Sakura, but I wouldn't go that far. Shikamaru with his over 200 I.Q. is in another league. A league where Kakashi is fanboying his intelligence and Tobi is calling him a worthy opponent.

But I do wonder about Shino vs. Sakura ? They both have the same intelligence stat, a 4. They both seem equal in tactics. I know some Shino fans who believe he is the second smartest out of the K11 and don't even consider Sakura. Although not K11, throw in Temari who is also from the same generation, and is praised for her mind. Never mind Gaara who like Shino, Temari, and Sakura, also gets a 4 in the databook.

I was wondering about Shino, but I think for him a medic would be a bad match up. Medics who use poison and antidotes are better off against insects than others would be. Since their stats are about the same in intelligence, it would be an interesting battle. It's not to say Shino can't manage around Sakura's poison know-how, but if what he's relying on is something she has background with, he would have a harder time with her than say Kiba. Sakura has been shown to be able to use gas bombs, like the sleeping concoction she used against Kiba, Lee and Sai, so she could gas those insects of his. It would all be depending on who has what in their arsenal. If Shino has a poison that Sakura can't deal with, then he would have an advantage, but Sakura does do offensive better considering her supposed range and taijutsu.

[Dragunov]

Damn it all, Naruto is the strongest, no contest, end of discussion.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Damn it all, Naruto is the strongest, no contest, end of discussion.

No Naruto is in God-tier right now there is no compairing him with people.

[Darth Krypt]

Damn it all, Naruto is the strongest, no contest, end of discussion.

The thread title did say besides Naruto. So no, the discussion is not ended. It shall go on till the end of time.

[Derock]

Damn it all, Naruto is the strongest, no contest, end of discussion.

No Naruto is in God-tier right now there is no compairing him with people.

I really want to agree, but unfortunately Sasuke holds that spot because of his stats I know Naruto will get a very significant boost but that damn Uchiha...

[The Tax-Man]

I really want to agree, but unfortunately Sasuke holds that spot because of his stats I know Naruto will get a very significant boost but that damn Uchiha...

The stats are outdated. We can't view them as canon. At least not for where the story is now.

[Strangelove]

Out of the clowns of the Konoha 11 I would pick Shikamaru, he is a tactical thinker.

If I wanted to pick Hinata, would be because I have a death wish or something, no offense...but when was the last time Hinata fought without getting owned?

[PachucoDesigns]

The stats are outdated. We can't view them as canon. At least not for where the story is now.

Well, after Naruto's recent cooperation with the Kyuubi, I can't imagine those stats being accurate anymore. I won't say how he stacks up with Sasuke, or vice versa, but the conclusion that Sasuke is stronger based on those stats is no longer valid.

[Dragunov]

Well, after Naruto's recent cooperation with the Kyuubi, I can't imagine those stats being accurate anymore. I won't say how he stacks up with Sasuke, or vice versa, but the conclusion that Sasuke is stronger based on those stats is no longer valid.

As for stats, we have to wait for the 4th character book, if there will ever be one, that is.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Shikamaru definitely, Maybe Shino and Neji too. Hey why not throw Choji in there as well?

[The Tax-Man]

Shikamaru definitely, Maybe Shino and Neji too. Hey why not throw Choji in there as well?

Shino and Choji? I'm sorry, but where are you getting this from?

Edited by The Tax-Man, 07 April 2012 - 01:17 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Shino and Choji? I'm sorry, but where are you getting this from?

Choji with the Butterfly Bomb. I thought of Shino because he just seems like the strong type to me. At least that's how the anime portrays him but I only watched the anime for a very long time until last year
so maybe that's why I think that.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 07 April 2012 - 01:37 AM.

[The Tax-Man]

Choji with the Butterfly Bomb. I thought of Shino because he just seems like the strong type to me. At least that's how the anime portrays him but I only watched the anime for a ver long time until last year
so maybe that's why I think that.

For Shino: He's not that strong.

For Choji: What about Lee? Besides, I've never seen Choji beat a really strong enemy in part 2.