Honestly, I don't know what I want out of this. So I am just going to sit back and see what happens. Whatever happens happens.

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#181
Posted 13 October 2011 - 05:17 PM
Honestly, I don't know what I want out of this. So I am just going to sit back and see what happens. Whatever happens happens.
#182
Posted 13 October 2011 - 05:20 PM
Now you have me worried. We've seen chakra splits (9-tails) and lingering spirits (Minato & Kushnia in Naruto), so this could be the answer that fits in with the existing mythology.
Image of emo-Sakuke and Darth Madara

(Damn, it took ages to find the right images for both Fake!Madara and Sasuke)
I was actually thinking of this about the same time that Smiter posted his awesomeness.
But maybe it's possible... not that Madara is Sasuke's father, but that his father is Tobi.
I skipped over most of the Uchiha flashbacks in previous chapters


- The father must have been somewhat powerful, to have Itachi and Sasuke as his spawn
- Would help explain why "Tobi" could manipulate Sasuke so well (besides him being so gullible)
- How old is Zetsu? Even if it isn't Sasuke's dad, I can imagine some of the Uchiha upper-management faking their death in the massacre.
#183
Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:32 PM
#184
Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:47 PM

That would make sense.

#185
Posted 13 October 2011 - 07:16 PM
#186
Posted 13 October 2011 - 07:36 PM

That would make sense.

That makes SO much sense. Seriously i never thought about it like that. mind blown.
I love Tobi ): Yes hes a good boy D:

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#187
Posted 13 October 2011 - 07:37 PM
Haha! Good one.

Edited by Kuraudo, 13 October 2011 - 07:37 PM.
#188
Posted 13 October 2011 - 08:17 PM
#189
Posted 13 October 2011 - 08:57 PM
No, I doubted it because Naruto reacted badly to it....

Like I f_ing said to my earlier post, I began to doubt when she said "I love you." That was before Naruto even said anything, like I said in an even earlier post, it sounds like she's trying to convince herself and Naruto.
But, I don't care anymore. I'm always gonna lose these debates, where I'm always wrong, and I can't back up my stupidly thought out reasons. As much as "entitled to your opinion" is said, it always sounds like "Well, your opinion sucks. Is wrong, and isn't thought up well, so shut up."
I'm also starting to sound like a broken recorder, repeating everything I say.
Sakura, during her "so-called confession," does not seem like a girl who's sure of her feelings. She's determined about not hurting Sakura anymore, but did she go about it the right way? No. She's still plagued by conflict, she's still unsure of her feelings towards both Sasuke and Naruto. It was only after seeing how far gone he is that she actually tries to kill him that he totally drops her feelings towards Sasuke. That's it. I'm done. I'm gonna kill myself, then resurrect like Jebus in 3 days. (Actually, no, I'm not gonna kill myself. Today's Pissed off Thursdays for me.

I'm done posting in chapter threads unless I really feel like it's worth the effort.
Yes, I'm a sore loser. Bite my shiny, metal ass.
And no. This is Tobi's true identity:
No I meant what I said. How you view things is up to you and I won't judge. I say Sakura was only conflicted about burying her old affections for Sasuke. Naruto she's sure about loving But that's just me so I'll leave you alone since you seem pissed but if you want to talk about whats biting you I'll listen

#190
Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:47 PM

So I registered after reading the latest chapter. I was freaking out and in need of serious help ... since most of my friends are NaruSasu fans. That wasn't helping but yeah..!

After reading through this though ... I feel so much better

NaruSaku will pull through!!! ...
And the fake Madara ... didn't see that coming ..

#191
Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:51 PM



Edited by Phantom_999, 13 October 2011 - 10:00 PM.
#192
Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:57 PM

The problem is is that Kishimoto confirmed she was telling the truth. It's hard to give someone's opinion credit when we have evidence of it being true. I don't mean to sound mean to shadow_Uzumaki, but we would all be in the same boat if Kishimoto hadn't confirmed she wasn't lying.
That's what makes this topic sketchy, but few seem to think Kishimoto was lying as well. He is the author, if he says she was telling the truth, she was telling to truth. He is not someone who lies, he just makes the details awkward to understand, but they end up being true none the less.
#193
Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:15 PM
That's what makes this topic sketchy, but few seem to think Kishimoto was lying as well. He is the author, if he says she was telling the truth, she was telling to truth. He is not someone who lies, he just makes the details awkward to understand, but they end up being true none the less.
Ifs thats the case, then when Kushina told Naruto to pick someone like her, Kishi said NaruSaku ftw?

Left Hand to the Future Pirate King
Vinsmoke "Black Leg" Sanji
#194
Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:28 PM
That's what makes this topic sketchy, but few seem to think Kishimoto was lying as well. He is the author, if he says she was telling the truth, she was telling to truth. He is not someone who lies, he just makes the details awkward to understand, but they end up being true none the less.
I don't understand this idea that Kishi mentioning Sakura as a 'honest girl' is taken so extremely literally. He isn't at all very specific, is he? Sakura was honestly trying to do what she thought was the right thing. That is, more than likely, all Kishi meant by his statement. She shouldn't be crucified for her mistakes seems to be the theme he was going for, since he went on to say you should feel a little better about her. She was trying. But it was obvious she was lying about some things, so him calling her completely honest doesn't at all fit.
And why do you expect Kishi to end the pairing debates in an interview? Obviously he was being vague. He wasn't lying, people are just taking it the wrong way. As far as I can see, the way Shadow_Uzumaki interpreted the scenario is very much canon. She wasn't being entirely truthful which ruined whatever parts she was being truthful about. That's all there is to it.

I guess this is probably best for the Debate thread anyways...
Edited by Miss Soupy, 13 October 2011 - 10:29 PM.
#195
Posted 13 October 2011 - 10:35 PM
That's what makes this topic sketchy, but few seem to think Kishimoto was lying as well. He is the author, if he says she was telling the truth, she was telling to truth. He is not someone who lies, he just makes the details awkward to understand, but they end up being true none the less.
I'm a bit slow when it comes to understanding the whole confession. Kishi said she was honest about her love for Naruto? Or just an honest girl?
And for the video at the top,


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#196
Posted 13 October 2011 - 11:13 PM
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Tobi is a good boy!

Left Hand to the Future Pirate King
Vinsmoke "Black Leg" Sanji
#197
Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:03 AM
And why do you expect Kishi to end the pairing debates in an interview? Obviously he was being vague. He wasn't lying, people are just taking it the wrong way. As far as I can see, the way Shadow_Uzumaki interpreted the scenario is very much canon. She wasn't being entirely truthful which ruined whatever parts she was being truthful about. That's all there is to it.

I guess this is probably best for the Debate thread anyways...
You could be taking it the wrong way too.
The real question is, who is making this more complicated? The fanbase or Kishimoto? Do you count omission of information the same as lying? Some do, some don't. He says "On the contrary, I saw her as being an honest person." (paraphrasing) What else could it mean? You are either honest or you are not.
Again, THIS is the reason why we can't get a real answer. Interviews have him hinting of Hinata getting a chance with Naruto, but he never said they would get together either. She did get her chance, but just because it is not what you are expecting doesn't mean he lied. Compare what he said, to what you expected it to mean.
Why does it need to be complicated? Why does it have to have a hidden meaning? Couldn't it just be that simple? I didn't expect Kishimoto to just end all pairing issues in an interview. If he did, then you might as well be thinking he spoiled NH from the start from the way he answered the question about Hinata "getting her chance." I am just saying that he said she was being honest, but people want to go into this deep philosophy...."Honest to Naruto or Honest to herself?"
Ask yourself this, would you confess your love for someone because you "honestly think it is the right thing to do?" I give Sakura more credit than that. She is not stupid, just emotionally confused as all teenagers her age would be. I accept the fact that she might not know who she loves more with her moving more towards Naruto.
Otherwise, I would take Hinata's confession variable. Maybe she wasn't being honest either. She just said that because she "honestly thought it was right." How come Hinata's confession is taken straight forward, but Sakura's isn't? Why does everything Hinata does is honest, but everything Sakura does is "dishonest?" And people wonder why Kishimoto is mad the way they treat Sakura. Even if he makes her honest, they still don't see her in good light.
Keep in mind. I am looking at JUST the confession. The whole Sasuke part is a separate subject. God, I hate to see if a pairing does happen. Kishimoto shows the wedding day itself and many fans will still see it as being a "dream sequence" or something different.
If Sakura told the 100% truth, would you believe it? Probably not.
#198
Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:25 AM

#199
Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:28 AM
And I was wondering, whenever Tobi gets hurt he kind of gets a new body. I forgot which chapter and which panel but I thought he gets his new body parts from Zetsu. So, if this was true and if Tobi was Madara, his body never gets old.
But then if the soul was taken away, whose personality is it that Tobi has

The translators of both MR and MS are terrible! Just terrible

This is the raw script.
559 増援到着…!!
ムウ !
棺桶が開く
口寄せマダラ やっとか… 長門のガキを…うまく成長させたようだな
ムウ …まさか次の口寄せが… ククク …
口寄せマダラ お前…は 確か…
ムウ この穢土転生の術者は戦争をよく理解している アンタまで利用するとはな…
口寄せマダラ …穢土転生だと…!? 輪廻転生ではないのか…!?
白ゼツ忍ぶっ飛ぶ
チリナル 大丈夫かヒナタ?
ヒナタ ナ…ナルトくん
ネジ 何でナルトが来た事をすぐに知らせなかった!?
忍A ナルトはさっき来たばかりだ!たまたまオレが最初に会ったがオレも戦闘中だった!
キバ 前とナルトのニオイが違ってる!気がつかねーよ…!それこそ視界の広いアンタが先に…
ネジ 見た目が前と違った… それにチャクラ性質もだ…!
キバ 何だよ…人の事言えんのかよ…ったく…
ネジ お前本当にナルトか?お前まで白い奴の変化じゃないだろうな!?
チリナル オレはナルトだってばお!
ネジ それをどう証明する?
ヒナタ ナルトくんだよ… 目をみれば分かる それに何より私を助けてくれたし…
シノ キバ …!?
ヒナタ …ごめんね…ナルトくん… 皆疑い深くなってるの
チリナル もうオレが来たからには防戦に回る必要はねエ!!偽物は片っ端から見つける!一緒にやるぞ皆!!
ヒナタ … (守らなきゃいけない人に… 守られてばかりで… やっぱろ私ってダメだ…)
チリナル …気にすんなヒナタ… オレだってお前に2度も守られてばっかりじゃカッコわりーしな!
ヒナタ わ…わたしは別に… そんな気にして何か…
チリナル 目を見りゃわかる いちいち落ち込むな!お前は強えーんだから!!
ナルト、長門戦にてヒナタ特攻思い出す
ネジ …
ヒナタ …
チリナル 行くぞ!!
ヒナタ うん!(ありがとう)
サイ 寅の絵を描く
カカシ すいかざんふぐきを ザブザの刀で切る
カカシ 行けサイ!!
サイ 封印術!虎視眈弾!!
紙から虎が出てきて、ふぐきに噛みつく そのまま紙に戻る
ガイ よし!あと3人だ!!
カカシ 大丈夫かサイ!?
サイ ハイ…まだ…いけます!
リー 安心して虎を書いてください!またボクが守ります!
白ゼツ沢山走って来る
カカシ …ついに敵の増援だ… …また随分な数だな…
ガイ 白いな… チャクラごと変化して成り変わるってのはこいつらか!?ここからは荒れるぞカカシ…!
ガイ !
カカシ ガイの前にチリナル参上
カカシ こっちにも増援が到着だな …約一名
リー ナルトくんには影分身の術があります!!
チリナル 今の状態じゃそれはできねえーんだ… 今回は量より質で勝負だってばよ!!って訳だから… 前とは違うぜ… 君麻呂!
チリナルの後ろには、ミフネに侍
君麻呂 君をみてると時が経過したのが解る
チヨ婆 大きくなったのは背丈だけじゃないようじゃな
チリナル 行くってばよ!! ぐあっ!!
チリナルこける
チリナル …勢いつけすぎたってばよ…
水影 …何なの…?
木の葉忍 おっちょこちょいで勇足なのは変わらんな…
ゲンマ だな…
ノパパ ナルトが全ての戦場へ到着したようです!第4部隊は敵の全てを封印した模様!第1第2合流部隊も ほぼ全ての敵を発見!!破竹のいきおいで進軍しています!!第3部隊も同じく優勢のようです!!第5部隊も同じく優勢!!医療部隊は全ての敵を鎮圧しました!
シカク 当たりでしたね!戦況は逆転しました 圧倒的に有利です!
ツナデ なっ!
雷影 フン…
死角 後は人柱力を連れて迫って来ているマダラさえ抑えれば… そこに残りの戦力を集中させて皆でいっきにたたく!!
青 ちょ… ちょっと待ってください!!(ガアラ第4部隊に敵の反応 しかし… なんだこのチャクラは…!?)
忍B !!! な… 何だコレ… あ… あっち!!
ガアラ !?
オオノキ !?
皆上を見る
崖上に ムウが現る
ガアラ !?
ナルト ガアラが封印したはずだろ!?
オオノキ まさか… あの状態で分裂をすでに!
忍B 何だ!! … もう一人いるぞ!!
オオノキ … こ …こいるは…
ガアラ !?
ナルト 誰だ!?
ムウのそばに立つ マダラ
オオノキ 来たな… うちは… マダラ!!
ナルト (こ…こいつが…!)
ガアラ どういう事だ!?
ナルト …何がだ?
ガアラ よく見ろ… 奴の眼… アレは穢土転生だ!死んだ者をこの世に転生するのが穢土転生の術… なら 奴は死んでいたってことになる
テマリ ちょ…ちょっと待ってよ…! 確か本部の情報では別にマダラが人柱力に迫って来てるって情報があったよな…!
オオノキ … なら… 面をしている男は… いったい何者なんじゃ!?
仮面マダラ 前人柱力連れて木を飛び飛び

#200
Posted 14 October 2011 - 01:39 AM

So I registered after reading the latest chapter. I was freaking out and in need of serious help ... since most of my friends are NaruSasu fans. That wasn't helping but yeah..!

After reading through this though ... I feel so much better

NaruSaku will pull through!!! ...
And the fake Madara ... didn't see that coming ..

I am also new here!




I hope it will be like last time they had a huge Naruhina moment.. there was a TON of NS right after..




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