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[alexander]

Just to put some different opinions: http://texasliberal....publican-party/

While is true that many people will doubt by the simple fact that they don't like Obama, I also agree that Osama death happening while Obama popularity was at it's lowest is pretty damn convenient.

[ShippudenGirl]

Whatever, I still think Osama is dead and I still hate Obama.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Okay, I will.




Did you delete and repost this because I swore I saw it earlier in the day.

EDIT: I pretty much feel the same way Nick does about the celebrations.

It got lost between the arguing you and alexander had going back and forth.

Just to put some different opinions: http://texasliberal....publican-party/

While is true that many people will doubt by the simple fact that they don't like Obama, I also agree that Osama death happening while Obama popularity was at it's lowest is pretty damn convenient.

I have to admit it blows my mind that you and others like you honestly feel that Obama would risk political suicide by faking Osama's death, as if it was ever revealed to be faked he'd be run out of Washington with a stick.

It's like the birthers all over again

[alexander]

It got lost between the arguing you and alexander had going back and forth.



I have to admit it blows my mind that you and others like you honestly feel that Obama would risk political suicide by faking Osama's death, as if it was ever revealed to be faked he'd be run out of Washington with a stick.

It's like the birthers all over again

Just as I said, is unlikely that Osama is alive, otherwise he would have appeared by now, so he is most likely dead, but for example, there are some people especulating that Osama might have been killed long time ago, and that this new was being only released now because Obama is going through an hard time, now, I don't know anything about this, but certainly Osama death came on a good time for mr. president.

[dl316bh]

At the very least, Pakistan's response is curious if, as some believe, this were to be fake. They're certainly acting like this is the real deal; they've been scrambling the past several days, trying to save face or respond in a meaningful way and seem taken aback. Either they have seen something we haven't yet and/or know something we don't or both they and Obama have been taken for the biggest ride in the history of anything ever, possibly leading to huge amounts of embarrassment and the equivalent of career suicide for Obama. Which is more likely?

Something will be released at some point though, I'm sure; at which point lots of people will say it's fake and da da da da da.

And besides, if it was released, I'm sure hundreds of photoshop experts would analyze it bit by bit not even missing a micropixel to clarify it as legit.

That won't prove a thing. All it will take is one person - and there would be at least one, you can bet money on it - thinking it's not legit against everyone else and that's more than enough for most people to latch onto. They could have done everything perfectly and I guarantee you there would still be people who thought everyone was being taken for a ride. Against overwhelming evidence, there are still people who think our government ordered 9/11 to start with and regularly fake photos and videos to "prove" it.

This is the age we live in, for good and ill. On the one hand, we don't blindly believe our government and question things. On the other, we don't really trust anything either.

Edited by dl316bh, 04 May 2011 - 08:13 PM.

[alexander]

However convenient it may be for Obama, the spike in approval ratings won't last unless things in America improve significantly. Bush's approval ratings during the Iraq war rose when Saddam was captured, but by election time dipped perilously low and he just barely won another term. Killing enemies of the state can only take you so far when the rest of the masses are suffering.

I totally agree with you on this, this popularity boost is only temporal, but how long it will last is really an wonder.

[Nate River]

However convenient it may be for Obama, the spike in approval ratings won't last unless things in America improve significantly. Bush's approval ratings during the Iraq war rose when Saddam was captured, but by election time dipped perilously low and he just barely won another term. Killing enemies of the state can only take you so far when the rest of the masses are suffering.

Yep.

Ask George H.W. Bush how well that went.

When it comes down to it, 2012 will be about the economy and budget. If gas is $5, unemployment is still high, and economic growth still anemic, he'll have problems. Presidents who preside over crappy economies, whether their fault or not, tend not to do well. Obama will get a bounce, but nailing Osama will not win the election, but being caught lying about this or intentionally waiting for purely partisan reasons could sure lose it.

From what I gather, he could have moved sooner, but I've seen nothing that would leave me to believe that the reason he did not do so was for purely partisan reasons. The most opprotune time (politically speaking) for him would be October 2010 and October 2012, not 18 months before election day.

hat won't prove a thing. All it will take is one person - and there would be at least one, you can bet money on it - thinking it's not legit against everyone else and that's more than enough for most people to latch onto. They could have done everything perfectly and I guarantee you there would still be people who thought everyone was being taken for a ride. Against overwhelming evidence, there are still people who think our government ordered 9/11 to start with and regularly fake photos and videos to "prove" it.

No, No, it'll just prove it's an Osama double.



alex...you know you fighting and uphill battle when someone like me is defending Obama like this.

[dl316bh]

Also, about putting up actual footage of the raid and killing? Bad idea. We're talking about live footage of a raid and gunfight that led to real deaths. Unless the media suddenly grows a taste for snuff films, you can guess the reaction. The reaction to Saddams death vid wasn't exactly rosey, remember. I highly doubt a video of an actual raid would go over better.

[alexander]

alex...you know you fighting and uphill battle when someone like me is defending Obama like this.

With all due respect (what is this, the army?), that's pretty cocky of you Nate.

EDIT: On other news: http://www.msnbc.msn...aden/?GT1=43001

Well, that surely will not please some people.

Edited by alexander, 04 May 2011 - 08:23 PM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

With all due respect (what is this, the army?), that's pretty cocky of you Nate.

EDIT: On other news: http://www.msnbc.msn...aden/?GT1=43001

Well, that surely will not please some people.

It certainly won't please you. But you know what, everyone is entitled to believe what they want or not believe. It's pointless trying to keep arguing this 'conspiracy theory' point. Your mind is obviously made up, and no amount of hard evidence will change it. So we might as well all agree to disagree and move on.

[alexander]

It certainly won't please you. But you know what, everyone is entitled to believe what they want or not believe. It's pointless trying to keep arguing this 'conspiracy theory' point. Your mind is obviously made up, and no amount of hard evidence will change it. So we might as well all agree to disagree and move on.

Just for you to know, I'm never said this is one of those conspiracy theory things, I just find it suspicious, that's all. And, of course, I'm not going to force my ideals on you nor anyone else, I'm just trying to make my point on this matter.

[Derock]

Whether you think this whole thing is a hoax or not, releasing the photos would only inflame others, and will only enforce the opinions of those who view America as a violent out-of-control nation (you really want to see a corpse riddled with bullets? I promise you, it would make the corpse of Hitler from Inglorious Basterds look like something from CareBears). Besides, if the burial controversy is really something to be concerned about in terms of Middle-East relations, I would highly advise AGAINST releasing those photos.

Agree. That's why I wonder what made the White House staff thinking of releasing the photos. And on the internet, no less... if Obama didn't stop the staff, we'll be in a whole lot of trouble in the future.

[Nee-sama]

All of this is just a calculated distraction to take our attention away from our search for Tupac, and Biggie. I mean seriously, how could they release new albums after their death!? It's just impossible!

[Derock]

All of this is just a calculated distraction to take our attention away from our search for Tupac, and Biggie. I mean seriously, how could they release new albums after their death!? It's just impossible!

Off-topic but nah, Notorious BIG (Christopher Wallace) is dead. The proof is his death certificate (which I know his mother signed). Tupac, however, is a different story since his death certificate is nowhere to been seen or heard of.

And also, here's a thing about artists. During their careers, there are certain tracks and songs that weren't officially released to the public, whatever it's a single or part of the album. I believe they are called B-Tracks songs. (One artist of this example is, she's still alive, Janet Jackson. Throughout her career, she had made dozens of songs that were either hidden after the official album's CD end or weren't even released to the public, otherwise considered as a B-track when its hidden under an official single's release.)

Tupac had millions of songs out because he had done alot of recording which later after his death, the producers and composers arranged the songs. The same thing with Biggie and Aaliyah when we heard songs that were never aired to the public in later albums or complilations because they had recorded their songs in certain time before death.

EDIT:

Back on topic, here's a very old, but shocking message from Osama which was just release to the public: http://www.huffingto...ml?ncid=webmail

[Sakura Blossoms]

Off-topic but nah, Notorious BIG (Christopher Wallace) is dead. The proof is his death certificate (which I know his mother signed). Tupac, however, is a different story since his death certificate is nowhere to been seen or heard of.

Pretty sure she meant it just as a joke, Derry =p

[Derock]

Pretty sure she meant it just as a joke, Derry =p

Well, I wasn't aware of the obvious. But she did asked a question.

[Nate River]

With all due respect (what is this, the army?), that's pretty cocky of you Nate.

EDIT: On other news: http://www.msnbc.msn...aden/?GT1=43001

Well, that surely will not please some people.

Navy, dood.

You know, I didn't think of it that way, but I see how it sounds that way. That line wasn't meant to be a statement of my ability.

If you check the All Things Politics thread, I've been arguing Obama sucks since 2008. I meant that the case for Obama has to be pretty clear if I'm going out of my way to defend him when I've spent so long critizicing him. But you know...that explanation sounds arrogant too, so I apologize and retract my statement.

And arguing, Shauna, it's friendly debate!

Tupac, however, is a different story since his death certificate is nowhere to been seen or heard of.

That's because it's in my closet. Now if you'll wait a moment so I can download photoshop, I'll prove it to you.