Basically that's what i heard about SS at first the only things i dont get is that they never managed to prove why NS was sinking and even twisted facts and used double standards. I think it all went down to personal preferences which is why i dont care about debating at all, but it's okay to pinpoint, viewing about character perspective Sakura and Sasuke if Sakura could be herself around him and also from the same characters perspective basically there's no shipping for Naruto at all, in my perspective based on characters the only girl where Naruto could get along well would be Ino. For me Sakura lacks development and effort on her character and Naruto's love for Sakura in my opinion is sloppy and forced. I dont want to start a debate over this but form my point of view there's absolutely nothing that could justify Naruto's love for Sakura. INB4 (but love is unjustifiable it just happens) i know i get it but i've seen other mangas and animes where the protagonist loved the main heroine with way more stronger reasons.
I can't answer your first sentence since I don't believe NS is sinking. But I WILL say that that isn't unique to SS fans and is actually more geared towards the Anti-NS fans than just SS fans in general(there definitely are SS fans who feel SS will happen but are neutral towards NS and so they don't bash it and try to reasonably explain why despite all of that has happened, SS will happen...but I guess we're not talking about them)
Yeah that's your opinion and if you don't want to debate that I will respect it. I just don't agree and I'll leave it at that :).
You're talking about standing as an equal i get it but Sasuke doesnt acknowledge her as an equal neither he does acknownlege Naruto, in fact he did acknowledged Naruto during the fight on part 1 but Kishi did a 180 on him and make Naruto goes back to ground zero during the the 4 tails arc.
Sasuke's character is basically what the Sage of Six Bazingas described about.
Sasuke doesn't acknowledge Naruto and Sakura as weak. Otherwise he'd tell both of them to stand back and let him do the work instead doing a combo attack with their summoning. He never called Sakura weak or or even showed that he thought that way either. He saw her punch the ground and his reaction was not shock or surprise but a smirk as if he was witnessing a Sakura he knew(like back in part 1 when he acknowledged her genjutsu skills).
The only time where it'd appeared to me that he saw Naruto as weak is during their first reunion. But I think that had more to do with their reluctance to fight against him than their actual skill as ninja. He knows they all trained under the three Legandary Shinobi and I don't believe for a second that he felt Orochimaru was the strongest(just the most convenient)
Otherwise I really don't believe he sees himself as superior to them or that they are unequal. Instead, Sasuke's problem stems from seeing them as useless to his overall ambition. He feels they would either contribute nothing or that their concern for him would hold him back. So he would rather not deal with them at all and I don't think his aloof attitude necessarily means he has an 'I'm superior' attitude.
But he never once implied that he thought they were unequal. Just one paths too different for them to actually work together or even be friends. So sorry I don't see any evidence there.
The problem is that it's here where their characters conflict Sasuke is not that outgoing guy who's always smilling and dont see the problem of being open, Sasuke is not open even when he was good he wasnt like that.
It doesnt match with Sakura, which is why on part 1 she was split on two, her outgoing and bright meanwhile around Sasuke she seemed to act as more mature and someome who goes after her objectives.
She liked Naruto's pranks but managed to hide the fact she liked it because of Sasuke.
Sasuke is not a people person and he can be a little rude, but it wasn't like he hated people in general. He did those D-rank missions for a long time without complaining(I'm pretty sure it was Naruto who put his foot down).
That had nothing to do with Sasuke and everything to do with Sakura's immaturity. She was conflicted because she thought that Sasuke would prefer a sweet little doormat. She didn't realize that Sasuke had no preference and it wouldn't have made a difference how she acted so long as she still genuinely cared for him.
Just judging by their characters I truly do believe that Sasuke would like Sakura's real personality. Certainly miles better than the girl she TRIED to be for him.
i agree to me i believe that for a relationship beteewn sasuke and sakura too work, at least one of them is going to have to completely change their current personas towards the other.
sasuke is going to have to go from treating sakura with little to no respect, completely disregarding her feelings and her talent as a shinobi, and to me sakura embodies the same life philosophies as naruto so sasuke is going to have to at least accept being in a relationship with somebody who thinks and acts similarly to naruto and he hasn't done that yet
i also think that the current sakura wouldn't want to be in a relationship with the current sasuke. to me, the things that i mentioned in the previous paragraph must happen in order for sakura to even consider being in a romantic relationship with sasuke. i don't believe that sakura wants to be in a relationship where she isn't valued
I disagree sorry. I'll try and break it down.
1) Respect. This is a definite issue but it isn't just on Sasuke's end. He didn't respect Sakura's feelings and concerns but she didn't respect his feelings and concerns either. He was concerned about Sasuke getting stronger and he feeling inferior and desperate that he would not be able to catch up. Sakura didn't think of that at all and was only really concerned about how Sasuke leaving would affect her. She had good intentions definitely(I think even Sasuke could see that), but it was not what Sasuke needed.
On top of that, she intended to murder him because she quickly gave up on him, completely disregarding what he might've been going through, not even attempting to learn his side of the story(and by that I mean the story about Itachi. I know Naruto and Kakashi decided not to tell her but she didn't even ask), and just deeming him as a lost cause despite only meeting him ONCE after two years and having no conversations with him.
That's why Naruto is the main hero. He DID take the time to consider all that. He questioned Sasuke's motives and actions and came to the (correct) conclusion that something deeper was going on. And of course he was right too because he's the hero and he will be right about this in the end .
I'm not saying Sakura is a bad person and deserves Sasuke's wrath. Definitely not. But she's not blameless even though Sasuke is in the wrong. They've both have been completely disrespecting each other.
2) Disregarding her talent: Sasuke has NEVER once implied that he thought Sakura was weak in part 2. Not as a shinobi.
Again he thought she was useless to his ambition, not useless as a shinobi. He didn't NEED her which is why he never gave her much thought. But that DOES NOT mean he thought she was a weakling.
Look again at chapters 631 and beyond. Sasuke does not say Sakura needs to sit back and let him and Naruto attack because he knows that she'll be USEFUL in the fight. When she punches the ground he's impressed BUT NOT surprised(he would be if he didn't expect her to be so strong). He was willing to do a three way attack combo using their summonings and DID NOT THINK at all that Sakura couldn't keep up.
And this is AFTER her failed murder attempts. And even then he would have to acknowledge that if it weren't for her hesistation, she would've gotten him with that kunai.
Sorry but I think Sasuke believing Naruto and Sakura to be weak shinobi is a myth. I mean I haven't seen any evidence to prove otherwise.
3) Sasuke is going to like Naruto as a person by the end of this anyway haha. But even so Sakura isn't Naruto, and Kishimoto did once say that Sakura would be the best teacher of the group ;). I think she has the personality, brains, and beauty to teach Sasuke Naruto's philosophy and not annoy him as much at the same time haha. And Sasuke is a good student if he thinks what the teacher is teaching is useful.
She definitely wouldn't and shouldn't because again there is a lack of trust between them. But if/when that trust is rebuilt I do believe they could have a working romantic relationship(it won't happen in canon but it could believably happen).
Sorry for the lateness and long replies. Also I tried hard not to debate but uh...you guys understand the urge to respond to arguments right haha XD?
Thanks for being so civil though!