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[Riverkid]

Critics occasionally give a film multiple viewings to help give their thoughts out from things they may have missed on a first showing. A second showing also allows them to look at it more analytically than the first time. This is true for music as well as stories.

Critics only have one purpose.. and thats criticizing the subject. Pointing out the flaws and the ups of the subject based on experience, comparison, knowledge and interpretation. creating different viewing based on critics are just after-effects.

How ironic that 'critics' aren't able to give you a different viewing on that matter, well.. maybe because we are short-mined on that matter.. aren't we? i also wouldn't have a different view if my head was stucked in kishimotos a'ss

but continue your 'im a writier, i know this' nonsense argumentation.. it failed already in the past multiple times




 

[Shadow1275]

 

I did not go back and convince myself no. I went to go back and read what I missed. I.E., the context of the first one needs to be taken in effect. My dissent was on the word convince, as I was not brainwashing myself. 

 

I feel no need to move around the wording for you. It's clear enough, but if you want a clear as day summary I'm happy to provide, albeit, it has nothing to do with what Kishimoto intended. 

 

I also feel no desire to accept a lie: It's clear in the present that Kishimoto set up a framework for what he intended in his conclusion early on. I can tell this as a writer. We call it foreshadowing. 

 

Basically, for your argument to work we have to -ignore- what happened in part one, specifically the Chuunin Exams. And unfortunately ,that's a faulty thought process. 

[T XD]

Rereading to understand does not have anything to do with objectivity. I.E., Had it no foundation, I could have come up with a conclusion that I think it made no sense.

Going back and look on to comprehend and understand after the ending lends much reliance that you've lost your objectivity.

 

You have concluded that NH and SS were always there no matter what since early on in Part 1 as you also said.

Edited by T XD, 28 August 2017 - 10:21 PM.

[T XD]

And the gold medal of unnecessary persistence goes to...

[T XD]

 

Completed. 

Weak. Try again.

[The Doctor forever]

Weak. Try again.

lol Hinata or her crazy ass fans making her into something that she is not again this is why I love Seiko from Corpse Party more than Hinata.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

No one is making Hinata into something she is not though? What are you talking about? 

 

WOW... @_@ I've seen dumb, but man, that is just... this takes the cake. Either that or you're just naive.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naive is more of a safer and "nicer" choice.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Naive is more of a safer and "nicer" choice.

 

Yeah, and I am trying to not be mean, just stating some facts from what we all have been presented, Sparda.

[The Doctor forever]

 

WOW... @_@ I've seen dumb, but man, that is just... this takes the cake. Either that or you're just naive.

True I mean let's not forget what Hinata did in the Pain attack on Konoha, Hinata said she was being selfish, an act that would have gotten everyone in Konoha killed cause Pain one shot-her. And what do her fans do defend what she did while bashing the others for not doing a thing to help Naruto, but then gain you have to think of it like this, even let's say Sakura and or Ino did it the Hinata fans would just bash them for what Hinata did.

 

As James said said Pain should have ended her, I just hate Hinata's crazy fans as well we all know that they like to twist things around for their own liking the LAST is proof of that we it being a large retcon, and people say Kishi planned this all out no he didn't, now George RR Martin did plan his story out and he is a better writer than Kishi.

 

I mean again look at many NH fans who say they love Hinata more than they do Naruto, this is proof that the ending was not for Naruto but for the Hinata fans that were all in love with her.

[Riverkid]

but continue your 'im a writier, i know this argumentation.. it failed already in the past multiple times

 

Fixed. 

the fact that you need to use that phrase because you aren't able to support your argumentations otherwise is just exposing you.

Feel free to 'fix' everything in you way, you really need it to enjoy your illusion of twisting contra-argumentations against you around to confirm yourself that you are right.

 

 

 

I could have -still- concluded they did not make sense, but as above, there is narrative intent

narrative intent = making sense ? What are you telling to yourself? that there is a narrative intent so it has to make sense? or are you just writing it in your way to highlight for other people that you are "of course and again" in the right mind to debate about it properly

 

 

 

 The conclusion is that it makes sense, because it was detailed. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have. This is not subjectivity, this is actual data collecting to understand why the ending was as it was.

detailed? what? until chapter 700 Naruto never felt 'love' for Hinata, they didn't even talked about that topic in the slightest. Do you even know that there was a huge timeskip between 699 and 700 (pairings) ?, so how is that detailed ? Kishimoto even wrote a Movie (the Last) because of the reason that the development lacked "detail" and depth

keep going writing anything in your way, even if it doesn't make sense.. because the only thing that matters is you feeling comfortable with the 'argumentations' you try to bring up. 

what a hypocritical person

[T XD]

Just for info.

 

No one wants to see you after class. We always go from the backdoor. The principle is calling you to sign a termination paper.

[luans7]

The last issue of a bad naruto movie and a worst romance movie yet ... Going back on what was said in the manga, retarded characters worried with a scarf while the world would be destroyed and by a villain who only has a good voice

Edited by luans7, 29 August 2017 - 01:29 PM.

[T XD]

 

The principal apologized, and advised it was actually a suspension paper for the student.

You've entered the Theater Arts class. The principle's office is down the hall.

[Riverkid]

 

1: It was a joke, I typically use it when technical aspects of writing are at play and I essentially say: Hey, I have expertise on this.

 

2: Also joke. 

The Joke doesn't change the fact that you always use that phrase as your 'crucial'  argument  ?  So i don't understand the need of you to point it out as a joke. You can have experience of writing over 2-3 years, the chance is still big there that someone makes a better story with his first attempt. Pls stop overrating your knowledge of writing when you haven't provided anything near impressive or analytical to some of the debated topics. You fail to provide real argumentation and just twist things around to be it your way, despite most of the things doesn't even make sense or stand in contradiction to eachother. Im not even the only one who points out your nonsense argumentations you always try to bring along

The only thing you provide is textbook-knowledge, and even there you fail to execute the basics.

 

 

 

Yes, actually, Narrative Intent does contribute to the ending making sense, though is not the sole aspect of things for us to derive at that conclusion. However, you -cannot- say it came out of nowhere, due to Narrative Intent.

Let me write a romance-adaptation of Naruto within the real world

where the crush (Sasuke) of Sakura is joining al-Qaida, attacking the European-Union, trying to attack Sakuras friends, familymembers and neighbors, also trying to kill her twice... and the story ends with both of them being together, and not even forced from Sasuke.

Does that make sense just because the narrative intent was heading towards that end ? If everything makes sense within the narrative intent, then that means there are no logical issues in any story.

 

 

 

Naruto could not make out if he felt platonic or romantic love

Thats the whole point. because we get to know almost nothing to how he felt about Hinata  within the 700 chapters. So where are the details ? you pointed out that there are 'enough' details... im still asking you... where are they ?
 

 

 

Makes baseless statement about what matters to me, presents it as proof

Not my fault girl.. you are the one making baseless statements all the time, seeling them as 'argumentations' to the debate.

 

 

 

Throws insult at conclusion of speech rather than concluding with a strong point

Insult? dont be silly. Why even trying to make a strong point if you twist it in your way anyways at the end ?

Have fun re-writing everything in your way
 

Edited by Riverkid, 29 August 2017 - 01:57 PM.

[luans7]

 

The principal apologized, and advised it was actually a suspension paper for the student. 

 

 

1: "The last issue of a bad naruto movie and a [sic] worst romance movie yet" Subjective, not tackling this, feel free to have this opinion. 

 

2: "Going back on what was said in the manga," Objectively False.

 

3: "Retarded Characters worried with a scarf while the world would be destroyed", Offensive, inappropriate term, too far for even bashing IMO. Also a huge misinterpretation that can be proven objectively false with the film itself, particularly that she actively goes with the film in order to find a way to stop him and save her sister. 

 

4: "A villain who only has a good voice", Subjective, not tackling this, feel free  to have this opinion. 

It's not because you like the movie that   is  leave to be a bad movie.

[T XD]

Very funny, Principal, your humor is exquisite.. I'll let you handle the student's suspension from here.

 

I'm snarky today. Apologies in advance. 

 

4: Please be respectful to the teacher. This is why we are talking now in detention. 

 

I see you didn't take your two pills since a while. Which one you want ? The Anti-NH pill or the Anti-SS pill ?

 

You're snarky the majority of the time. Your replies aren't different than any other day. I can prescribe to you the reality pill. It doesn't cost much.

[luans7]

 

Not sure what you mean here? Grammar issues keep me from understanding your sentence. 

Sorry, this isn't  my firts  language...

 

 

The Last is a bad movie

Edited by luans7, 29 August 2017 - 02:27 PM.

[Riverkid]

I'm snarky today. Apologies in advance. 

 

 

1: No, my crucial argument is not my expertise. It never has been. That is your words, not mine. I can prove real argumentation has been provided, making your next point blatantly false, though the rest is subjective tones on your part. Feel free to have that opinion, my student. 

 

2: There are so many things wrong with your adaptation. First off, we are saying Orochimaru equals Al Quiada? They have very different aims, so equating to that organization doesn't work. Equating real world Sasuke to this world is going to be problematic anyway. His whole clan death, his brother's literal manipulation. How would you even compute that happening in real life? Are we putting them in military school? SS -works- within the setting it is in, it is alive and formed around it. Try rewriting -all- of the SS story and it's background elements to fit real life. You'll start struggling at "Sharingan". You also failed to demonstrate substantial narrative intent in your example. I.E., foreshadowing of the end.

 

3: Chuunin Exams anyone? Pain Arc? The War-Arc? Did you miss the panels? Do you need page numbers, my student?

 

4: Please be respectful to the teacher. This is why we are talking now in detention. 

1. outside of that, you have no real argumentions.. oh wait, i do remember where u re-wrote my argumentation and added something on top of them. I also do remember when u claimed something which stood in contradiction to something else you wrote. but meh.. you didnt' even tried to admit it after pointing it out for you.. you just twisted it again in your way.

2. you still try to dodge the question, like the question to provide the details for the end. Does it make sense just because its within the narrative intent ?

3. Pls send me the page numbers where enough details was provided to settle up the end-game romance between Naruto and Hinata. And no, its not enough if you only show the one-sided love from hinata throuhg out the 700 chapters. i want to see where Naruto thinks about his feelings towards Hinata, i want to see where Naruto shows any interest about Hinatas feeling towards him..

can't wait to see another reply where u still dodge all of my questions, you rather waste your time re-writing anything..

[LuckyChi7]

Hey Analyzer I remember some posts back you stated that you were a writer? if I'm not mistaken, and being an fellow writer myself, I'm just curious what kinda story are you writing? and how long have you been on it?