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[ultranx]

Add to the fact that the NaruHina's fandom attitude as a majority is that they don't seem to give a damn about Naruto's feelings in the equation and only care that Hinata "won".

true, the vast majority are like that, but not all of them, my friends on deviantart weren't. not every naruhina fan was like that, but the vast majority were and would judge anyone that disagreed as a shipper and proceed to hate on the one that disagreed or start to troll them, at least that's my experience, the rabid ones are the majority in this fandom and then cover themselves up and act like bad narusaku shippers aren't a minority and hate on the entire group of fans, then would make "ban naruto in usa" and "put narusaku fans in a mental hospital" petitions just to demonize them, not to mention demonize people just for being on this site. and I joined this site to get way from rabid violent shippers, yet am always judged as a shipper. just for agreeing with you guys.

 

anyways just wanted to like some comments and reply to this comment because of how epic the comment was, back to web browsing and doing my own thing xD

Edited by ultranx, 25 August 2017 - 08:55 PM.

[The Doctor forever]

Vader wins hands down. Now image Sakura doing that in rogue one when she's a sith in evil 100 star wars story. I feel like vader and the empire should invade the leaf village and curve stomp then making naruto and everyone look weak and vader takes Sakura with him to make her stronger and Sarada too.

lol oh very true its why Vader is so bad ass.

 

And Hinata only gets praise because of being one-dimensional, fillers(seriously, which Otaku pervert came up with that Sailor Hinata crap), headcanons and her boobs.

Yep that is SP and her fans alright me well Evil100 that is shall kill her and show her killing people mainly girls who get close to Naruto, and acts like a kitten to Sakura cause in Hinata twisted head as Evil100 said she hates the Haruno girl.

 

And even though Anakin has a sympathetic backstory, it isn't shoved down our throats to force us to be sympathetic nor do they try to use it as some way to excuse his actions as Darth Vader. Luke (and Leia probably) know that he turned good at the end, but in the eyes of the rest of the galaxy, he'll forever be known as the "dark lord of the Sith", "the Emperor's right hand", and only be remembered for all the evil he has done.

Not like Obito, where he's "the coolest guy" and such.

Very true and unlike Sasuke Anakin died again as I said saying that his son Luke did save him, plus we can say Vader is bad ass as are the females as well, unlike the ones in Naruto they all suck cause Kishi has no idea how to do women.

 

https://www.thetopte...-canon-couples/

 

I still have no idea how they became canon

Well its was all thanks to pitty for NH well mainly Hinata and her fan-base going crazy all the time with SS well hell even Kishi has no idea shows he is a bad writer at least George RR Martin has his story all planned out.

[VanitasDS76491]

And Hinata only gets praise because of being one-dimensional, fillers(seriously, which Otaku pervert came up with that Sailor Hinata crap), headcanons and her boobs.

Agreed that's all her character was and nh is allowed to use filler but we can't. When did saI lord hinata happen? I say her kittens were the majority of the reason she's popular and I hate charcters like who are just pretty and have no charcter, at least erza has both, hell rukia is a better and she's flat chested.
  

And even though Anakin has a sympathetic backstory, it isn't shoved down our throats to force us to be sympathetic nor do they try to use it as some way to excuse his actions as Darth Vader. Luke (and Leia probably) know that he turned good at the end, but in the eyes of the rest of the galaxy, he'll forever be known as the "dark lord of the Sith", "the Emperor's right hand", and only be remembered for all the evil he has done.
Not like Obito, where he's "the coolest guy" and such.

Yes vader out classes obito in every category after episode 3 vader got good and didn't whine at all and was a threat and intimidating unlike mister haxed heel turn every 5 seconds that being obito. That coolest guy ever line will forever haunt naruto.

[VanitasDS76491]

lol oh very true its why Vader is so bad ass.
 

Yep that is SP and her fans alright me well Evil100 that is shall kill her and show her killing people mainly girls who get close to Naruto, and acts like a kitten to Sakura cause in Hinata twisted head as Evil100 said she hates the Haruno girl.
 

Very true and unlike Sasuke Anakin died again as I said saying that his son Luke did save him, plus we can say Vader is bad ass as are the females as well, unlike the ones in Naruto they all suck cause Kishi has no idea how to do women.
 

Well its was all thanks to pitty for NH well mainly Hinata and her fan-base going crazy all the time with SS well hell even Kishi has no idea shows he is a bad writer at least George RR Martin has his story all planned out.

How about Sakura doing that in evil 100 star wars story were she's vader?
Ya evil 100 will do that I mean shizuka, shion and others will be either killed or given to sasuke and shizuka will commit suicide in the Akira story to get away from sasuke when the dragon village gets their too late. The only good female character in naruto is kushina. Ya evil 100 said hinata will hate Sakura so much and do anything to kill her which she never does but hinata will make her suffer.

[Shadow1275]

 

Great pictures.

 

The thing is SS is -not- like other relationships, really, nor is really any relationship like these relationships. It's draw of interest is that it is -not- any of the above, though some may wish or make it out to be. 

 

The thing is Sasuke is not a good father, or husband, and these have never been argued to be so. But he is a father and husband, and the fact that he was going to end up with Sakura is well informed. 

 

The above are reasons -not- to like SS, but if SS was like the above, it would be probably boring. The dynamic of SS is of interest to read, because it is different, and has issues. You can certainly say that it is not a great couple because Sasuke is not there, but it makes sense on how it happened, or that it was going to happen. Your pictures are really why I -don't- ship it, despite it's fascinating working dynamic. 

 

However, to answer the question, the end of Gaiden, with them eating together, and finally, having a family picture together, more or less is fitting of a "family" picture. 

 

We also dont' definitely know if they never kissed? We certainly know Sasuke is not comfortable with public kissing ,nor really grasps it, which makes sense concerning his social development. But even regardless of this, the compelling point is that it is -not- like other couples, it could not fit any of the above, because Sasuke is really not a normal person, he is very stunted in that sort of growth, and that makes it interesting. But that also is why I don't ship it. 

 

Still, nothing post 700 really has to do with how they became canon, because the Manga more or less informs on that how. 

 

The thing is SS is -not- like other relationships, really, nor is really any relationship like these relationships. It's draw of interest is that it is -not- any of the above, though some may wish or make it out to be. 

 

Which proves my point, All of the above are romantic relationships. As you yourself said, SasuSaku is not like any of these relationships. I.E. it is not romantic. Yet we are told by Sakura in the above panels that it is supposedly a loving romantic relationship..... where they have never kissed, never spent more than a year together after getting "Married.", etc. What it draws interest from is irrelevant. It's not a romantic relationship. Canon relationships imply that the two parties are A. Romantically interested in each other. B. Have become exclusive to each other. 

 

Both of these is still one sided. Sakura is interested in Sasuke, but there is Zero evidence that Sasuke is interested in Sakura. Even if you based your argument on the post gaiden panels no sane person would assume these two were a couple. 

 

The thing is Sasuke is not a good father, or husband, and these have never been argued to be so. But he is a father and husband, and the fact that he was going to end up with Sakura is well informed  

 

Nope. In 693 he clearly states, "I'm not interested in her at all." You also failed to produce one Panel that matched any of the above romantic couple photos. I provided plenty for Naruto and Hinata and Naruto in Sakura. In fact, even if you take his attitude in 699 you can't infer that he's romantically interested in her. He bonks her on the forehead then ditches her again, just like his brother did to him. The only difference is he didn't try to kill her this time.

 

The above are reasons -not- to like SS, but if SS was like the above, it would be probably boring. The dynamic of SS is of interest to read, because it is different, and has issues. You can certainly say that it is not a great couple because Sasuke is not there, but it makes sense on how it happened, or that it was going to happen. Your pictures are really why I -don't- ship it, despite it's fascinating working dynamic.

 

Fascinating working dynamic??? Interesting to read??? Stop putting words into my mouth. I said it was a bad couple bc they aren't romantic in the slightest, not bc Sausage was never there. Sakura at best is a stalker who never cared about what Sasuke wanted. Sasuke is an abuser who attempted to murder her in 693 bc she told him she "Loved" him. Or when she tried to kill him to save him???

 

Sasuke is the worst part of Sakura's character. Get rid of her obsession and she would be a much more interesting person. It's shallow and garbage and the only reason it is used at all is to keep readers guessing who Naruto will marry in the end. 

 

However, to answer the question, the end of Gaiden, with them eating together, and finally, having a family picture together, more or less is fitting of a "family" picture.

 

I present Normal Family eating together:

 

 

Happy, engaged, Loving

 

SasuSaku Family Eating together:

 

 

We have Depressed, Bored, and Oblivious 

 

I present Family taking Photo:

 

 

Not the intimacy, caring, and giant smiles everywhere. Family is clearly tight knit and close

 

And SasuSaku Photo:

 

 

 

And I simply must ask in capital letters and bolded, not bc of you but bc of the blatant disregard by the writer: WHERE IS THE INTIMACY IN THE PHOTO FROM SAUSAGE?????????

 

And I will add that if we are talking the reasonableness of SasuSaku being canon, the evidence should be coming from Parts 1 and 2. There are zero photos that match any couples photos from Sasuke and Sakura from parts one and 2

 

We also dont' definitely know if they never kissed? We certainly know Sasuke is not comfortable with public kissing ,nor really grasps it, which makes sense concerning his social development. But even regardless of this, the compelling point is that it is -not- like other couples, it could not fit any of the above, because Sasuke is really not a normal person, he is very stunted in that sort of growth, and that makes it interesting.

 

They haven't kissed. 

 

 

In the first panel Sakura looks depressed after being asked that question. In the second panel she says she thought of something better. Then proceeds to forehead poke her daughter.

 

 

Why didn't she just say yes???

 

In fact, let's take that and apply that to my logical formula from earlier

 

Sakura is asked about whether she has ever kissed Sasuke + Sakura looks depressed then claims she got something better + Sasuke has been gone for ten years and hasn't returned + Won't even poke his own wife on forehead after leaving + Doesn't even recognize his own daughter.

 

When have they kissed and what evidence proves it???

 

And I'll tell you why it's not interesting. Arguably 99% of fictional couples, as well as 99% of real life couples do not poke each other's foreheads and consider that better than a kiss. They just Kiss. Even back during puritanical times, couples kissed. Why? Because its more interesting tongue wrestling than it is boinking each other on the forehead. If I want to plow a woman to kingdom come, I'm not going to boink her on the forehead, I'd rather boink her tongue. It's much more.... stimulating.

 

And if Sasuke didn't grasp public kissing.... what? Hasn't he snogged Naruto at least 60 times by now? I think he gets the implications.

 

Still, nothing post 700 really has to do with how they became canon, because the Manga more or less informs on that how. 

 

 

That's hilarious, so to what point did Gaiden serve then? The whole point of Gaiden was to reinforce the SasuSaku relationship bc most ppl call kitten on it. In fact the issue that set everything off in that story was the fact that even in story Sarada herself didn't believe that Sakura was her mother.

 

The irony is it only made things worse

[sushi.]

lol oh very true its why Vader is so bad ass.
 
Yep that is SP and her fans alright me well Evil100 that is shall kill her and show her killing people mainly girls who get close to Naruto, and acts like a kitten to Sakura cause in Hinata twisted head as Evil100 said she hates the Haruno girl.
 
Very true and unlike Sasuke Anakin died again as I said saying that his son Luke did save him, plus we can say Vader is bad ass as are the females as well, unlike the ones in Naruto they all suck cause Kishi has no idea how to do women.
 
Well its was all thanks to pitty for NH well mainly Hinata and her fan-base going crazy all the time with SS well hell even Kishi has no idea shows he is a bad writer at least George RR Martin has his story all planned out.

GRRM plants a tree and sees how it grows. That's how he described the two types of writers. The other type is the architect, creating a frame and building the story with the puzzle pieces planned out. You should read his statement it's incredibly interesting how he analyzes a writer's mind.

The error begins when the architect starts planting different trees within his house, they ruin the roof and the story collapses.

[rocci]

GRRM plants a tree and sees how it grows. That's how he described the two types of writers. The other type is the architect, creating a frame and building the story with the puzzle pieces planned out. You should read his statement it's incredibly interesting how he analyzes a writer's mind.

The error begins when the architect starts planting different trees within his house, they ruin the roof and the story collapses.

So where does kishi belong to?
Architect or planter?


There's a reason why sakura like character is the most use type of heroine in action series and not Hinata.

Edited by rocci, 25 August 2017 - 09:53 PM.

[Kagomaru]

Agreed that's all her character was and nh is allowed to use filler but we can't. When did saI lord hinata happen? I say her kittens were the majority of the reason she's popular and I hate charcters like who are just pretty and have no charcter, at least erza has both, hell rukia is a better and she's flat chested.
 

The Magical Girl Hinata episodes were pre-timeskip filler.  I don't remember the episode number, but that's fine because I don't wanna remember that prepubescent tripe.

[sushi.]

So where does kishi belong to?
Architect or planter?


There's a reason why sakura like character is the most use type of heroine in action series and not Hinata.

The third, the messy one. Started out as an architect but then built tree after tree.

[The Doctor forever]

The third, the messy one. Started out as an architect but then built tree after tree.

Its why me and evil100 love playing Corpse party Seiko is funny as hell after all with a line like. "Time to butter up my pooper."

[VanitasDS76491]

The Magical Girl Hinata episodes were pre-timeskip filler.  I don't remember the episode number, but that's fine because I don't wanna remember that prepubescent tripe.

Oh it the beetle hunt arc were she's naked at the waterfall?

[Shadow1275]

 

The couple is not passionate as per normal, Sasuke would be a bit apprehensive of those pictures because that's not who he is. That doesn't make them less of a couple. That makes them a not normal couple, and they'll never be normal, ever. Sasuke is dealing with deep traumatic issues, and is more or less socially stunted. He'll grow, over time, but these are deep issues. Sarada though, is more or less the proof of their love and bond, as Sasuke points out. They did not marry because of her, as some would mis-interpret, more that she is proof of love. Proof of passion, and it was probably a big deal to Sasuke. There aren't any pictures to your standards of couple, which is why I didn't bother to produce any: That is not how the family dynamic works, Sasuke is not that sort of guy, and we're dealing with a fictional more Eastern world than Western. I was not putting words in your mouth, those were -my- words, and I was talking about how if SS was those pictures...there wouldn't be a Gaiden, and would be less interesting. 

 

Gaiden isn't even about reinforcing the SS relationship, and I think people miss the point if that's what they think it is about. It is about the bonds of family to a degree, but more so it is about establishing Sasuke's place in the world, and developing Sarada's, and coming to terms on how her father displays affection, which is really of a socially stunted individual. It sets up this contrast from Sasuke with Naruto, who despite his early issues, is very much an adult, and how he deals with his Hokage responsibilities. 

 

Depressed, Bored, and Obvious are pretty poor and inaccurate descriptors of the scene, by the way.

 

Sasuke does not show intimacy because he does not display that kind of affection. Gaiden was more or less Sarada understanding that. Regardless if they've ever kissed, it would fit in with who Sasuke is, because he's not developed that way. 

 

Finally, Sasuke displeasingly kissed Naruto once, not sixty times. 

The couple is not passionate as per normal, Sasuke would be a bit apprehensive of those pictures because that's not who he is. That doesn't make them less of a couple. That makes them a not normal couple, and they'll never be normal, ever. Sasuke is dealing with deep traumatic issues, and is more or less socially stunted. He'll grow, over time, but these are deep issues. Sarada though, is more or less the proof of their love and bond, as Sasuke points out. They did not marry because of her, as some would mis-interpret, more that she is proof of love. Proof of passion, and it was probably a big deal to Sasuke. There aren't any pictures to your standards of couple, which is why I didn't bother to produce any: That is not how the family dynamic works, Sasuke is not that sort of guy, and we're dealing with a fictional more Eastern world than Western. I was not putting words in your mouth, those were -my- words, and I was talking about how if SS was those pictures...there wouldn't be a Gaiden, and would be less interesting. 

 

Sigh, Sarada is not proof of their "Bond", Sarada is proof of their lack of bond. Sakura took care of Sarada her entire life. Sasuke didn't even recognize her... Because he has not seen her or Sakura in 10 years. Their is no bond, Sakura didn't even have a proper picture of her husband. Are they a couple? Yes. I already told you I didn't question their canonicity. But are they a believable couple? No

 

You can repeat that they have a foundation but you have failed to provide evidence as to their "Foundation." You have also failed to provide evidence that would convince a reasonable person, in light of everything else, that they do indeed even care for each other. All you repeat is speculations such as, "It was probably a big deal to Sasuke." But you have also admitted that you can't even produce one single photo showing romantic intimacy between the two. 

 

Gaiden isn't even about reinforcing the SS relationship, and I think people miss the point if that's what they think it is about. It is about the bonds of family to a degree, but more so it is about establishing Sasuke's place in the world, and developing Sarada's, and coming to terms on how her father displays affection, which is really of a socially stunted individual. It sets up this contrast from Sasuke with Naruto, who despite his early issues, is very much an adult, and how he deals with his Hokage responsibilities. 

 

Wrong, the entire focus of gaiden is on Sasuke and Sakura's "Family". In fact the final panel even slams the message in your face that Sasuke and Sakura love each other and Sarada. The issue is that we don't see this "Love" anywhere in the manga, and it doesn't match up at all with their actions. It is why it is a lazy attempt, bc the author has to tell you that they "Love" each other instead of showing. 

 

I would question Sasuke's emotional stuntedness as well, in fact that's bull. We've seen with Naruto and Itachi that Sasuke can be plenty intimate. Hell, in part 1 when Sakura doubted herself during the chunin exams Sasuke picked up on the social situation immediately and comforted her. 

 

The bottom line is that after the Final Valley battle in part 1, Sasuke dngaf about anyone besides Naruto, Itachi, and Sarada. He'll love Sarada bc Now he knows he has a daughter, but Sakura gets nothing, he could care less.

 

You lose on this ground as well. The main issue that kicked off Gaiden's plot was Sarada not knowing who her father is. The entire focus is on Sasuke/Sakura/Sarada/Karin to question the validity of SS's relationship. The ending poorly establishes that they "Love" each other, and ultimately fails. 

 

Depressed, Bored, and Obvious are pretty poor and inaccurate descriptors of the scene, by the way.

 

This is a stupid claim. Mine is backed up by evidence, this is not. The only one smiling is Sarada, Sasuke and Sakura are not. That and I originally said Oblivious, not Obvious. Try to be less Oblivious next time

 

Sasuke does not show intimacy because he does not display that kind of affection. Gaiden was more or less Sarada understanding that. Regardless if they've ever kissed, it would fit in with who Sasuke is, because he's not developed that way. 

 

This doesn't even make any sense. Sasuke is plenty intimate with people he actually cares about. He literally hugged his daughter (Who he just found out he had) 2 seconds before.

 

You lose on this point too

 

 

Finally, Sasuke displeasingly kissed Naruto once, not sixty times. 

 

Edited by Shadow1275, 26 August 2017 - 03:29 PM.

[Shadow1275]

 

 

 

Sigh, Sarada is not proof of their "Bond", Sarada is proof of their lack of bond. Sakura took care of Sarada her entire life. Sasuke didn't even recognize her... Because he has not seen her or Sakura in 10 years. Their is no bond, Sakura didn't even have a proper picture of her husband. Are they a couple? Yes. I already told you I didn't question their canonicity. But are they a believable couple? No

 

These are Sasuke's words. Why are you twisting it into their lack of bond? I think trying to put them in Real life is the error, because then you are opening a whole other can of worms and fitting events to match up. Things are done dramatically in work to make them more obvious. 

 

You can repeat that they have a foundation but you have failed to provide evidence as to their "Foundation." You have also failed to provide evidence that would convince a reasonable person, in light of everything else, that they do indeed even care for each other. All you repeat is speculations such as, "It was probably a big deal to Sasuke." But you have also admitted that you can't even produce one single photo showing romantic intimacy between the two. 

 

Because they are not like that. You are insisting that believability must have romantic intimacy, but does not Sarada's creation imply a moment of great meaning? This does not equate a foundation of a bond either. They are not really a functioning family due to Sasuke's absence, and that issue is explored in Gaiden, and if that is what you are addressing, that is fair.

 

Gaiden isn't even about reinforcing the SS relationship, and I think people miss the point if that's what they think it is about. It is about the bonds of family to a degree, but more so it is about establishing Sasuke's place in the world, and developing Sarada's, and coming to terms on how her father displays affection, which is really of a socially stunted individual. It sets up this contrast from Sasuke with Naruto, who despite his early issues, is very much an adult, and how he deals with his Hokage responsibilities. 

 

Wrong, the entire focus of gaiden is on Sasuke and Sakura's "Family". In fact the final panel even slams the message in your face that Sasuke and Sakura love each other and Sarada. The issue is that we don't see this "Love" anywhere in the manga, and it doesn't match up at all with their actions. It is why it is a lazy attempt, bc the author has to tell you that they "Love" each other instead of showing. 

 

​Which manga? The original or Gaiden? 

 

I would question Sasuke's emotional stuntedness as well, in fact that's bull. We've seen with Naruto and Itachi that Sasuke can be plenty intimate. Hell, in part 1 when Sakura doubted herself during the chunin exams Sasuke picked up on the social situation immediately and comforted her. 

 

The bottom line is that after the Final Valley battle in part 1, Sasuke dngaf about anyone besides Naruto, Itachi, and Sarada. He'll love Sarada bc Now he knows he has a daughter, but Sakura gets nothing, he could care less.

 

​I think you are way off on him not caring about Sakura. He gets some situation, but he has not fully developed on others, I.E., kissing for example, or checking in on family even. He is still socialy stunted.

 

You lose on this ground as well. The main issue that kicked off Gaiden's plot was Sarada not knowing who her father is. The entire focus is on Sasuke/Sakura/Sarada/Karin to question the validity of SS's relationship. The ending poorly establishes that they "Love" each other, and ultimately fails. 

 

​I think you missed the meat of the gaiden if you were distracted by the whole mom drama. It was about family dynamics. 

 

Depressed, Bored, and Obvious are pretty poor and inaccurate descriptors of the scene, by the way.

 

This is a stupid claim. Mine is backed up by evidence, this is not. The only one smiling is Sarada, Sasuke and Sakura are not. That and I originally said Oblivious, not Obvious. Try to be less Oblivious next time

 

​Oh, because not smiling and putting down a plate equals depressed, and bored is Sasuke. That is not the intention of the scene nor the narrative flow, even if you are getting those misreadings. 

 

Sasuke does not show intimacy because he does not display that kind of affection. Gaiden was more or less Sarada understanding that. Regardless if they've ever kissed, it would fit in with who Sasuke is, because he's not developed that way. 

 

This doesn't even make any sense. Sasuke is plenty intimate with people he actually cares about. He literally hugged his daughter (Who he just found out he had) 2 seconds before.

 

You lose on this point too.

 

This is incorrect. He did not hug Sarada at this point. 

 

 

Finally, Sasuke displeasingly kissed Naruto once, not sixty times. 

 

 

A poor joke, because you are equating numbers to be understanding. That it is one kind of destroys your point you are making. 

 

These are Sasuke's words. Why are you twisting it into their lack of bond? I think trying to put them in Real life is the error, because then you are opening a whole other can of worms and fitting events to match up. Things are done dramatically in work to make them more obvious. 

 

Lol, putting words into my mouth again I see. I never said that they weren't canon, but once again Kishi says but doesn't show. It's not even dramatic and that's the problem. Why do Ppl for example rag on soap operas? Not bc they like the love stories, bc they hate the love stories. Why? Bc they make no sense. Compare that to say han and leia from star wars:

 

 

The scene where Leia tells Han she loves him is dramatic bc of all of the build up and literal romantic moments beforehand. We aren't told even that Han loves Leia at all, but we don't need it bc we know from the previous scenes that he most likely does. Show don't tell.

 

But Kishi doesn't show us in the slightest that Sasuke loves Sakura. We are simply told that he does. If I told you for example that if I drop an apple it would rise up instead of falling down, would you believe me?

 

Because they are not like that. You are insisting that believability must have romantic intimacy, but does not Sarada's creation imply a moment of great meaning? This does not equate a foundation of a bond either. They are not really a functioning family due to Sasuke's absence, and that issue is explored in Gaiden, and if that is what you are addressing, that is fair.

 

If it is such a moment of great meaning, why does Sasuke not recognize his own daughter? In fact if she means so much to him why does he leave at the end?

 

She doesn't. He did not even recognize her. And you're really running out of straws to grasp here.  

 

​Which manga? The original or Gaiden? 

 

Both. Even limiting the scope to just Gaiden shows the lack of evidence that SasuSaku has any foundation behind it. He hasn't kissed her, he refuses to even poke her forehead, hasn't been back in 10 years. 

 

Oh, because not smiling and putting down a plate equals depressed, and bored is Sasuke. That is not the intention of the scene nor the narrative flow, even if you are getting those misreadings.

 

And you missread once again. The point is the lack of intimacy which you have failed to disprove.

 

This is incorrect. He did not hug Sarada at this point.

 

 

 

 

Note the giant Hug spelled out in bold letters. You lose again

 

A poor joke, because you are equating numbers to be understanding. That it is one kind of destroys your point you are making. 

 

I don't care about your lack of sense of humor  And no it doesn't. Especially when you couple that together with how Sasuke hugged Sarada and heck even his speech to naruto.

 

Sasuke is plenty intimate with those he truly cares about. Sakura just isn't one of those people anymore

[Yyubie]

Am i the only one that thinks Salad is stupid ?? That guy ... her father abandon her for 12 years and when he come back he point his sword at her. I mean if i were her i will hate him , my mom raise me alone , single parent , my dad refuse to feed/provide for me and my mom and when he comes back he point his sword at me meaning he doesn't even recognize me .... Why Salad should kiss that bastard ass after what he done is blew my mind. Salad should act like "F you , you abandon me and mom for 12 years why come back now ?? you should never come back , no letter / message , don't try to act like my father" .... sigh ... no one can hate Sasuke in this manga everyone has to lick his foot and kiss his ass.

[Shadow1275]

 

You said the hug took place two seconds -after- not recognizing her, not at the end, or so that's how I took it. Re-reading it I see what you mean.

 

 What is with this "lose again" stuff? Normally i'm the snarky one, but I've kept to the respectful angle. 

 

And you can't compare soap operas to Star Wars from the perspective of those who don't like Soap Operas, to a scene in Star Wars. That's a little silly, because Soap Operas are an entirely different genre, (And such scenes work for them as well for those who do enjoy them). 

 

It's established why he doesn't recognize her, and what he did. It's also established from Sasuke's point of view the importance of Sarada. These are his own words. -He- says they are important. You are arguing that he is lying, but context shows it is genuine. Your argument doesn't work. It's also shown in context that he does care about Sakura with such words. 

 

 

I.E., for your argument to work, you have to call Sasuke a liar. Do you see that you can't get far with that? 

No I was specifically referring to the scene where after hugging Sarada, Sasuke didn't even give Sakura the time of day at the end. Granted I said 2 seconds before so I'll give you a pass on that bc it would be reasonable to assume that I was reffering to their first meeting. That was more an exxageration on the fact that he only met his daughter ten chapters ago. And it proves that Sasuke is still intimate, unlike how you claimed he wasn't "developed that way."

 

The comparison is simple. Han and Leia we can safely assume in TESB, care about each other which makes this moment dramatic

 

 

Sasuke and Sakura have none of this, making the claim that they "Love" each other laughable, like a soap opera. Star Wars  and Soap Operas are fiction, and they are both dramatic. So no you're wrong again.

 

Established how? And once again where does he show that he cares. Yes he cares for Sarada bc she is his daughter, that is established with his hug. But, Sakura gets diddly squat in return. There is zero intimacy there.

 

And no I never said Sasuke was lying, or even that he didn't care about Sarada. My point and I'll bold this because you seem to be struggling with it : SasuSaku has no foundation regardless of its canonicity

 

 

And so,

 

You have failed all of my tests, you have failed to produce one shred of evidence of intimacy between Sasuke and Sakura, screwed up my argument multiple times (For example, Oblivious vs. Obvious.), and even made wrong claims such as Sasuke not being intimate when he literally hugged his daughter and gave Sakura nothing.

 

and that's why it is ranked as one of the worst fictional couples in history. It makes no sense. It's canon, but it makes no sense:

 

https://www.thetopte...-canon-couples/

 

You have made no valid points and have proved nothing. And I'm done here.

 

Edited by Shadow1275, 26 August 2017 - 06:30 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

That we are using that it is ranked as one of the worst as a point is silly, because it is also ranked as one of the favorites. 

 

That we are saying all relationships are defined by one way is also silly,  particularly that we are using the hug given to Sakura and the discomfort of an idea of a kiss to jump that he does not care about Sakura, when this was established by his own words earlier.

 

I do not think a fictional couple needs to meet a test of display of intimacy like you are suggesting, particularly since that is not the author's style to do such things anyway, and scenes we get are only relevant to the plot, as an add on of course, Sasuke's stunted growth and view of such things as kissing. That you are jumping to a conclusion that this view means he does not love Sakura is the error of your argument. 

 

SasuSaku makes sense within the context of the universe, and you will get that as long as you understand the characters involved in it, and purge yourself of expectations. bringing RL into a fictional world is not going to help you understand it, as SasuSaku does not exist within -this- universe, and we cannot compare these two universes and their ideals in the way you are going about it. It's made abundantly clear they love eachother, but it's also clear that while it is angsty, it is not a passionate pairing, which is where you are defining a couple must have, and -that- is the error with your argument. 

 

There are moments in the manga where it is shown Sasuke's caring, such as the Chuunin Exams for example. I will say, as with all Team 7 bonds, that the execution of this was shaky, but the foundation is there.

 

Take the time to try to understand it. No, do not bow. Raise your back, and try. 
 

Again... show us proof of this.

Show us manga panels that prove how it "makes sense". Show us where this "foundation" is. Others have been doing so to support what they're saying, but you, so far, have never done so.

[VanitasDS76491]

Am i the only one that thinks Salad is stupid ?? That guy ... her father abandon her for 12 years and when he come back he point his sword at her. I mean if i were her i will hate him , my mom raise me alone , single parent , my dad refuse to feed/provide for me and my mom and when he comes back he point his sword at me meaning he doesn't even recognize me .... Why Salad should kiss that bastard ass after what he done is blew my mind. Salad should act like "F you , you abandon me and mom for 12 years why come back now ?? you should never come back , no letter / message , don't try to act like my father" .... sigh ... no one can hate Sasuke in this manga everyone has to lick his foot and kiss his ass.

Yes agreed that's how it should have been but again everything has to be about the Uchiha and they can do no wrong expect for you almost ending the kittening world and killed how many innocent people. I'd like Sarada more if she told her father off and said he was dead to her and she never wanted to see him again and this time she won't listen to naruto. She could follow her own path to be hokage and actually change the system, plus e like Jake from re 6 were he said he'd make damn sure he didn't end up like his father. And to further this if Sakura still wants sasuke, Sarada would threaten to leave the village and her if she doesn't move on from him. Sakura would have a choice Sarada as her daughter or sasuke as her husband cause Sarada wants nothing to do with sasuke. It most she'd stay with sakura's parents if she left Sakura and say she she has no parents.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 26 August 2017 - 10:15 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Again... show us proof of this.
Show us manga panels that prove how it "makes sense". Show us where this "foundation" is. Others have been doing so to support what they're saying, but you, so far, have never done so.

She thinks she's above that and doesn't need to prove herself.

[The Doctor forever]

GRRM plants a tree and sees how it grows. That's how he described the two types of writers. The other type is the architect, creating a frame and building the story with the puzzle pieces planned out. You should read his statement it's incredibly interesting how he analyzes a writer's mind.

The error begins when the architect starts planting different trees within his house, they ruin the roof and the story collapses.

Very true this is why Naruto went from be great to WTF and at the end being a kitten manga.

 

I mean its like an old saying my grandmother says never judge a book by its cover, I use this with Hinata she may act all sweet, but deep down she is a smug girl.

[The Doctor forever]

Been watching Dragon Ball Super(DBKai) and I remembered seeing that Kikittenmoto said Boruto is his Gohan and Sasuke is Piccolo. 

 

Ok let’s then check the differences between Dragon Ball Super and Boruto:

 

1) Piccolo does NOT have his own child to train, he trains Gohan out of goodwill only. Sasuke on the other hand HAS his own kittening child to train, who he does NOT give a kitten about and ABANDONS in order to train Boruto. 

 

2) Gohan actually DOES love his father Goku even if said father spends most of his time training or fighting, because when he’s NOT training or fighting, he’s home with his kids, playing with them, going out, living a normal life with them. Boruto on the other hand doesn’t get to see his kitten father even when said father isn’t doing jack kitten, Naruto simply does NOT LIKE his own son and AVOIDS THE kitten out of being near him, and that causes Boruto to HATE his father.

 

Now let’s take a small twist and compare Vegeta and Bulma to Sasusaku (lol) since SStards like to compare both couples so much:

 

1) Vegeta actually DOES love Bulma and Trunks, that is EXPLICITED often in Dragon Ball Super, from Vegeta using the ugly uniform Bulma made for him ONLY because she made it for him and his protecting her ALL THE TIME and ACTUALLY INTERACTING WITH HER often without ever treating her badly to the fact that HE trains Trunks and has a HEALTHY father-son dynamic with him, so much so that he ends up training Goten with Trunks because he KNOWS his own kid and appreciates the fact that they fight better together. Oh, and Vegeta LIVES happily with Bulma and Trunks. 

 

Now let’s analyze Sasusaku (lol):

 

Sasuke does NOT live with Sakura and Sarada, he REFUSES to train Sarada, he has ONLY MET Sarada when she was kittening TWELVE years old (and worse yet, he spent those 12 years away doing a USELESS mission that yielded ZERO results) having NEVER contacted her or Sakura before that, he NEVER even looks at Sakura’s way when she needs to be protected, hell, he won’t even HELP PAY THE kittening BILLS and he STILL TREATS SAKURA LIKE kitten WHENEVER SHE’S AROUND HIM. 

 

Isn’t it ironic that Kishimoto wants to compare his HORRIBLE story to Toryiama’s actually GOOD familial dynamics?