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[sushi.]

Using that word is not actually offensive. We just live in the PC world where people are afraid of using "bad" words anymore because someone might get offended.

I didn't mean to be nitpicky only remind him of what he said because he denied it. I pointed out other things too in the first post.

Edited by sushi., 24 August 2017 - 01:35 PM.

[Yyubie]

There's a new naruto game called naruto to boruto shinobi striker and naruto x boruto (originally named borutage xD) for smartphone. http://gematsu.com/?s=naruto

[ultranx]

I didn't mean to be nitpicky only remind him of what he said because he denied it. I pointed out other things too in the first post.

sushi, if I say the way someone treats someone is a retarded way of thinking, that's the same as saying something is a bad and wrong way of thinking towards other human beings, it is not literally calling someone retarded, its saying how they're treating someone is a stupid way to treat someone. if I say someone is treating someone stupidly and wrongly, is that calling them stupid or calling their actions stupid? its calling what they actually did towards the innocent individual stupid.

 

quit being nitpicky and acting like I can't type a word without it  not meaning the way you think and it offending people. people shouldn't have to change how they've said things their whole life to everyone else off the internet just because one or 2 users online get offended over a single word, like how people get offended over the word wreck now now just because of the simpsons.or how someone named robert lee got taken off espn because his name is similar to the name of the person of the statue, do you justify those actions too? if I call that way of treating someone retarded, is that me calling them retarded or calling wrongly treating someone over something when its not justified retarded?

are you trying to go after me again like you did over the political thing in the past when I didn't know about the joking around last year and force me to be "politically correct" over everything not involving politics? because if so stop, I'm not changing who I am because of what you think I said and what you think offends butthurt people, get over it.

[ultranx]

Using that word is not actually offensive. We just live in the PC world where people are afraid of using "bad" words anymore because someone might get offended.

THANK YOU!! SOMEONE GETS IT. SAYING SOMEONE'S ACTIONS TOWARDS ANOTHER PERSON IS STUPID OR RETARDED ISN'T LITERALLY CALLING THE PERSON THAT NAME CALLING INSULT OR DISABILITY,  ITS LITERALLY CONDEMNING THEIR UNJUST ACTIONS AGAINST A FELLOW HUMAN BEING.

 

ALSO ITS HYPOCRITICAL OF YOU SUSHI SINCE YOU WANT TO CORRECT ME ON CALLING ANALYZER RETARDED WHEN I EVEN TOLD ANAYLZER WHEN THEY TRIED TO SAY I CALLED THEM STUPID OR RETARDED  THAT I WASN'T, SO CONGRATS SUSHI, YOU JUST WENT AFTER ME WITHOUT READING MY COMMENTS JUST OVER A SINGLE WORD I USED. YOU JUDGED ME OVER A SINGLE COMMENT AND WORD AND NOT THE WHOLE DISCUSSION

 

also sushi, most of society doesn't have a problem saying words like poop, crap, darn, dang, bull, etc, because they aren't actual profanity, just simply regular blunt or bad words, simply words used in a mean way to talk  or blunt way to talk, and last I checked, someone shouldn't have to act completely nice at all times when someone is a  prick to them, people have a right to not take their crap and stand up for themselves,  not act like they're emotionless and can be happy and calm all the time and never hurt, like that's our only emotion or we're unfeeling robots. either someone will act like a jerk because they are a jerk, or someone will act like a jerk because a jerk mistreated them or other people.

society doesn't literally condemn every bad word period, people say the word stupid all the time when someone does something stupid and learns from their mistake, does that mean we call them stupid? no it doesn't. its just people like you influenced by the internet community who are completely part of it and not off the internet most of the time or care about people getting offended over everything, think that's how we should act because of all the offended people in society spoiled by technology. I didn't get into technology and the internet and all this til high school, before that I lived my life not worrying about the internet and cared about my family, my life, doing stuff I enjoyed like playing video games, I had to be explained by my best friend in high school about internet lingo and everything, and every single person I met in public and everyone on tv and movies growing up never had a problem saying something was stupid, dumb, or retarded, they just told it like it is, they were blunt, now all of a sudden just because of internet culture being blunt is being a bad person and labeling people? that's the whole reason people hate trump for example, being blunt and then whatever the media says about him or his tweets, never watching the entire live speech he makes at every rally since he became president. but not getting into politics here again, point is, being blunt is not a crime and is not labeling someone, if I say something someone did is stupid and retarded and wrong and unjust and they should apologize, that's telling them to stop acting that way, not calling them retarded because they act that way.

Edited by ultranx, 24 August 2017 - 05:56 PM.

[Qia]

Actually, it is offensive because retarded is supposed to only refer to those who are mentally disabled and, thus, it is merely a neutral term in this way. However, people place a negative connotation behind the word when they use it synonymously with the term"stupid". Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right.

[Yyubie]

Umbridge must be laugh right now "Hehehe i manage to turn them against each other"

[Qia]

Umbridge must be laugh right now "Hehehe i manage to turn them against each other"

No one's turning against any other person here and I get the impression that this isn't Analyzer's intentions either. But Sushi did make a good point and I'm merely agreeing with that point raised as it was given a rather misinformed objection. 

[Qia]

yes, it doesn't make it right to say someone is retarded yes, but calling someone stupid or retarded and calling an action stupid or retarded are not the same thing, calling an action stupid or retarded is calling an action wrong or foolhardy. people have done it long before the internet existed and people never got offended over the word retarded being used at all towards someone, only when you labeled someone as retarded and judged them as retarded, there is a difference between calling someone stupid and actually doing something stupid, someone being foolish is literally the same thing as  someone stupid.  now all of a sudden because of the internet and what political people say its okay to rewrite the enlish language language just because people are offended over names and words?

I think you completely missed my point. An action can't be retarded because retarded is a label given to people with mental disability. I.E. it doesn't equate to stupid/wrong or it is not an adjective that you can use to describe someone by. It has been used that way before, yes, but this is wrong and offensive to those with a mental disability. Retarded was never meant to mean, and does NOT mean, stupid or foolhardy. Originally, it was used as a verb, "to slow or hinder". However, from there, it was changed to a noun that refers to mentally disabled persons. It never once meant foolhardy/wrong/ stupid.  And no this is not a recent development at all. It's just become more known. 

Edited by Qia, 24 August 2017 - 09:57 PM.

[sushi.]

yes, it doesn't make it right to say someone is retarded yes, but calling someone stupid or retarded and calling an action stupid or retarded are not the same thing, calling an action stupid or retarded is calling an action wrong or foolhardy. people have done it long before the internet existed and people never got offended over the word retarded being used at all towards someone, only when you labeled someone as retarded and judged them as retarded, there is a difference between calling someone stupid and actually doing something stupid, someone being foolish is literally the same thing as  someone stupid.  now all of a sudden because of the internet and what political people say its okay to rewrite the enlish language language just because people are offended over names and words?

This has gone on longer than needed. I wanted to remind you it is a slur not trigger your defense mode, so it doesn't matter how offended or unoffended people feel - it carries a violent history of brutalizing disabled people.

You obviously don't agree so I won't force you to stop, go on continue rampaging on Analyzer.

Edited by sushi., 24 August 2017 - 10:45 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Actually, it is offensive because retarded is supposed to only refer to those who are mentally disabled and, thus, it is merely a neutral term in this way. However, people place a negative connotation behind the word when they use it synonymously with the term"stupid". Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right.

Actually the word itself is completely inoffensive since by definition it doesn't mean what people think it means.

Retard is a word mostly use today in aviation by Boeing and Airbus as a warning signal in their flight mode annunciator.

And they use that word because it describes the movement of the thrust lever, because the retard word by definition means to pull back or to slow something down, to delay it, etc.

Boeing and Airbus use that word as a warning to make pilots aware that the thrust lever was pulled back or is pulled back by the auto pilots most of the time, this is done especially when landing.

The problem occurs when some idiot decided to add "ed" at the end of that word in order to describe someone with mental issues. They made a slang word. But the word itself is harmless since it can't offend anyone since all it means is to pull back.

[ultranx]

This has gone on longer than needed. I wanted to remind you it is a slur and not trigger your defense mode, so it doesn't matter how offended or unoffended people feel - it carries a violent history of brutalizing disabled people.

You obviously don't agree so I won't force you to stop, go on continue rampaging on Analyzer.

FOR GOODNESS SAKE, USING A SYNONYM IN A MEAN AND BLUNT WAY DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU ARE CALLING THEM RETARDED, NOT WHEN YOU DIRECT IT AT HOW THE PERSON IS TREATING OTHERS AND DEFENDING PEOPLE THEY HAVE WRONGED AND ARE CALLING THEIR ACTIONS FOOLISH AND WRONG  INSTEAD OF THROWING AN INSULT OR LABELING, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING ITS WRONG TO BE BLUNT ABOUT ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU GET OFFENDED, GROW UP SUSHI.

 

I STATED ALREADY I WOULD STOP REPLYING, AND I HAVE STOPPED AND WAS ONLY REPLYING TO YOU, YOU JUST FEEL THE NEED TO CORRECT ME AND DEFEND ANALYZER, YOU'RE LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE DEFENDING THEM.

Edited by ultranx, 24 August 2017 - 10:46 PM.

[ultranx]

I think you completely missed my point. An action can't be retarded because retarded is a label given to people with mental disability. I.E. it doesn't equate to stupid/wrong or it is not an adjective that you can use to describe someone by. It has been used that way before, yes, but this is wrong and offensive to those with a mental disability. Retarded was never meant to mean, and does NOT mean, stupid or foolhardy. Originally, it was used as a verb, "to slow or hinder". However, from there, it was changed to a noun that refers to mentally disabled persons. It never once meant foolhardy/wrong/ stupid.  And no this is not a recent development at all. It's just become more known. 

I know an action can't be retarded and that it is a mental disability. but that was never the point, sushi judged me as calling them retarded, which I never did. I used it that way as another way of saying analyzer was being a prick. if someone is judging me for using a word and acting like a prick torwards me, I will stand up for myself. love how sushi here is acting like analyzer didn't belittle me and everyone here and call us shippers just for using the words pairing and neutral, last I checked anaylzer was the one correcting me and belittling me and others over every little thing being a prick, and every time I call him out for playing the victim, and suddenly when I get angry and start being blunt and mean I'm the bad guy? maybe read all the comments between me and analyzer instead of acting like I'm the one that went after analzyer when they went after me first over grammar and what I said and acting like just because of what something I said looks typed I'm going after NH fans? literally my first comment wasn't even directed at analzyer, lets look back shall we?

 

my first comment:

"yeah, I recall the interview where when kishi was asked about the so called 'fake' confession when the manga was still ongoing, he said he wanted to portray sakura as an honest kind girl. that's bluntly sating it wasn't fake, the only ones who said it was fake is all the nh fans who pretended the interview was fake, they pretended every interview that didn't support their nh was fake. that and sent him sakura hate mail."

 

analzyer responded when the comment was never directed at him, saying:

"Generalizations are dangerous, and they don't do this? Nor is that what Kishimoto even means that the confession was genuine. It certainly isn't, we the readers can tell, Naruto can tell, and Sakura declares time again her feelings for Sasuke, really confirming its invalidity. The interview is genuine. The interpretation of yours is not."

 

my response:

"sigh analyzer it wasn't a generalization, it was a literal response to being asked if the confession was fake. authors do stuff like that all the time as responses to specific questions to answer but be vague, they aren't seen as generalizations, but for some reason you always make excuses for defending your "ending". like they said, the having feelings for naruto thing was legit, the not caring about sasuke part is what was fake, heck she was willing to kill sasuke and have naruto hate her just to be sure naruto was safe, that's a dead giveaway of her having feelings for naruto. you act like her and naruto were never close and that she saw him the same as in part 1, but in fact the majority of part 2 in the manga they were basically best friends  and closer than the narusasu bond ever was, and their bond gets broken in the ending and last just for nh to happen."

 

analzyer's response:

 

 

"I fully believe and know there are NH fans and SS fans that dislike the ending, as much as I believe and know there are NS (Myself, for one, despite your claims otherwise), SNS, and SK fans that like the ending.

 

You may mean not to be general, but you were being general, so I point it out as an error to avoid. It's best to have meanings and words match.

 

I do it because I enjoy the discussion and making corrections? It's not even about caring so much, it's just about enjoyment. I believe I have already told you this answer though. This is an NS fan site, I'm an NS fan. Does it bother you that I also like the ending? Honestly, I think it helps the forums not be an echo chamber."

 

 

my response:

"I was talking nh fan pro enders, all nh fans that support this ending. and lol, there you go again with the "generalization" excuse you always use against every single forum user here when its freaking obvious they don't mean every single nh fan and just the pro enders, because unlike you, there are in fact nh fans who despise the ending who we know, when we say nh fans we're talking the nh fans who are pro enders, not every single nh fan, but for some reason you feel the need to always point that out and try to correct us. and again I ask, why do you care so much and constantly stay on this site? do you really have nothing better to do in your life than stay on the site every single day for almost 24/7 just to correct us on your opinion you treat as the one and only fact all because your "ending" happened? are you really that obsessed with naruto? because guess what, none of us here are, we have all moved on to other series and just talk here because we are friends, you're the only one here constantly obsessing over the ending and correcting us over every single thing we debate on how naruto could have turned out better.

 

just having an ending doesn't make a story good, the journey is what is most important, the writing leading up to the ending, there was no nh writing to justify your ending, just subjective onesided hinata moments, most of which not romantic whatsoever, how many times did she appear in the manga? lets see, chunin exams, when naruto came back with jiraiya post time skip, the sasuke retrieval arc, the pain arc, and the war. all of which were non romantic other than the confession, which even then was subjective and onesided, an ending doesn't justify poor writing during the manga's run analyzer, what about all the dropped plot points like the curse of hatred and changing the system and bringing world peace?what about surpassing the previous generation, what about everyone's dream besides naruto's and hinata's obsession with naruto, like for example, tenten wanting to surpass tsunade?.  when did naruto and hinata ever have interactions over time showing them come closer? naruto had that with sakura, hinata didn't, she barely showed up in the manga, dbz on the other hand has videl and gohan spend time together over time training together and hanging out with friends and at the tournament and grow feelings for each other over time, that's how writing relationships in anime/manga usually are, they are done over time, showing the characters actively grow attached to the other, with naruto and hinata we got none of that, naruto still viewed hinata as his weirdo friend who always passed out, the ending is completely out of nowhere for people who understand the rules of writing and only "makes sense" to people like you. heck even goku and chichi spend more time together in their childhood than naruto and hinata did the entire manga"

 

and he continued to belittle me over just how something looked typed and saying I meant it that way just because of how it was typed, what pissed me off is when he judged all neutral, or rather story fans or non shipppers. here, all of us, all for using the words pairing and neutral, saying anyone who uses those words is a shipper, I ensued to continue to calmly call him out for being a prick and judging us that way. and now you want to act like he never did? congrats, you just went after a fellow user for defending himself and every non shipper here and calling out analyzer for his crap.

Edited by ultranx, 24 August 2017 - 11:28 PM.

[The Doctor forever]

You know what all the bad guys in Naruto are weak cause we should all feel sorry for them.

 

Now to me this is a real bad ass Villian.

 

[sushi.]

Not only does this have nothing to do with Analyzer, but if you thought other members here had decided to collectively team up against her just for the hell of it you're the one who should grow up

[VanitasDS76491]

You know what all the bad guys in Naruto are weak cause we should all feel sorry for them.
 
Now to me this is a real bad ass Villian.
 

Vader wins hands down. Now image Sakura doing that in rogue one when she's a sith in evil 100 star wars story. I feel like vader and the empire should invade the leaf village and curve stomp then making naruto and everyone look weak and vader takes Sakura with him to make her stronger and Sarada too.

[Shadow1275]

Vader wins hands down. Now image Sakura doing that in rogue one when she's a sith in evil 100 star wars story. I feel like vader and the empire should invade the leaf village and curve stomp then making naruto and everyone look weak and vader takes Sakura with him to make her stronger and Sarada too.

I don't think it's possible to make her stronger. Post time skip, everything she did after Sasori really made her seem weaker.

 

She still wasn't over Sasuke and complained even after she promised to help Naruto bring him back during the first team 7 reunion. She did little to nothing against Pain. She gave up on her promise of helping bring Sasuke back in Land of Iron. She still had feelings for him in 540 even though she literally admits he's horrible to her. When he comes back she totally molests him with her eyes. 693 she literally committed character suicide. And even after he STILL LEAVES HER in the leaf village, after he knocks her up, abandons her to live in debt WITH HIS DAUGHTER, AND HASN'T EVEN KISSED HER, SHE IS STILL WAITING LIKE A DOG FOR A PAT ON THE HEAD??????

 

Fukk how pathetic can a person get??? I mean after Sasori, Sakura just becomes a pairing plot device. And I know that a lot of ppl take issue with her lack of fights, but in every regard, especially the pairing aspect where Kishi uses her the most, she ends up sucking it deep.

 

I loved her character before. She needed more fights (Or at least more involvement in fights.) But at least had she gotten over Sasuke she would have been a stronger character. It's why imo 693 really is revolting. It's like watching a suicide.

 

 

 

Sometimes I really wonder whether I should hate Kishimoto for drawing this chapter, or whether I should give him the benefit of the doubt and admire his symbolism. We've seen theory after theory of what happened. Comparing the quality of Boruto and direction with the quality of the War arc and it's direction, I wonder if Kishi was pressured into doing the war arc by SJ bc of Naruto's popularity and it was mainly Ikemoto who did most of it. 

Edited by Shadow1275, 24 August 2017 - 11:43 PM.

[ultranx]

Not only does this have nothing to do with Analyzer, but if you thought other members here had decided to collectively team up against her just for the hell of it you're the one who should grow up

no, you need to grow up and actually pay attention to an entire conversation before replying, I never once called him retarded, you said I did, I condemned his actions towards myself and other users, him/her judging myself and others over what was typed and not what we actually mean, "correcting" people over "generalizations", if you payed attention to how analyzer acts towards other users and go back and read pages in the thread instead of being lazy and just posting your 2 cents like I do, you would know that. so congrats, you bashed me for calling out analyzer for being a prick when they said any user who says the words pairing and shipper is a shipper/pairing fan and can't be a non shipper just because they use those 2 words, in other words if you are no longer a narusaku fan or never were and were just a story fan, he just called you a shipper just for using those words. I literally said retarded to be a prick to him because he was being a prick, but I wasn't actually calling him retarded just because I used the word.

Edited by ultranx, 24 August 2017 - 11:42 PM.

[Qia]

Bolding, underlining, and capitalizing your words isn't exactly a "calm" way to respond to someone. I don't think sushi or me also meant to say that Analyzer's completely innocent.In fact, I'm pretty sure sushi was telling you to calm down a little...not taking Analyzer's side or anyone's side considering she's talked to Analyzer about this before.  But whatever. Usually when someone TYPES LIKE THIS   it doesn't come across in a good way and there's probably no point in responding. So this will be my last when it comes to this topic. 

[sushi.]

no, you need to grow up and actually pay attention to an entire conversation before replying, I never once called him retarded, you said I did, I condemned his actions towards myself and other users, him/her judging myself and others over what was typed and not what we actually mean, "correcting" people over "generalizations", if you payed attention to how analyzer acts towards other users and go back and read pages in the thread instead of being lazy and just posting your 2 cents like I do, you would know that. so congrats, you bashed me for calling out out analyzer for being a prick when they said any user who says the words pairing and shipper is a shipper/pairing fan and can't be a non shipper just because they use those 2 words, in other words if you are no longer a narusaku fan or never were and were just a story fan, he just called you a shipper just for using those words. I literally said retarded to be a prick to him because he was being a prick, but I wasn't actually calling him retarded just because I used the word.

I find it funny how you say this and this is not offensive but you're the one screaming your nuts out over a mild critique(I was not bashing mind you.)

You're basically saying you called him retarded, but you didn't. This inception is too complicated for me. So this is also my last post on this topic, it's the naruto thread after all.

[ultranx]

I find it funny how you say this and this is not offensive but you're the one screaming your nuts out over a mild critique(I was not bashing mind you.)

You're basically saying you called him retarded, but you didn't. This inception is too complicated for me. So this is also my last post on this topic, it's the naruto thread after all.

wrong, you critiqued me and said I called someone a disabled person when I didn't and said I attacked and rampaged on analyzer, when analzyer was belittling me for several pages in this thread. I have mild high functioning autism, I am a literal mentally disabled person unlike analyzer and have a reason to be offended by the word autism being used as a slur, but I don't get offended because those people are foolish and don't try to understand what autism is. I literally said I wasn't calling them retarded. SO CONGRATS, YOU BASHED A DISABLED PERSON FOR USING A SLUR EVERYONE ELSE USES LIKE A DISABLED PERSON WOULD CALL OTHERS DISABLED FOR BEING A PRICK. HYPOCRITICAL MUCH?

 

being offended and crap over a way a word is used doesn't make it okay to belittle and correct someone over what they said, especially when you get after them for calling someone disabled when the one using the slur is literally disabled and you judge them as calling the other disabled just for using the word, and like nostradamus pointed out a retard was a word used in aviation long before the name for the disabilility was thought up, so there is no correct way of using the term just because of one usage of it.

By your logic someone can't act mean to someone in the military when someone is being a prick and/or use a bad word just because an average non military citizen nearby gets offended without knowing military lingo, because guess what, military lingo is all about being strict and using bad words and being blunt.  I'm mentally disabled yes but my dad is a veteran.

 

 

I stated on this site several times in the past sushi that I was autistic. and I have been here for years like you have. did you ignore the posts all those years or forget that or something? tell me, use your brain, why would a mentally disabled person call someone a mentally disabled person? a mentally disabled person understands and respects other mentally  disabled people, heck I rode a bus full of them to school every day on the special aids school bus for my school, so why would I judge someone as mentally disabled for their actions if I am mentally disabled myself? answer, I don't, I personally only use the  word as a slur when refering to someone being a prick, I don't ever call someone actually retarded. you want me to go religious on you fine.

 

Unlike you, I don't judge people by what is typed or what word they use. I judge them by their actions and how they treat others and by getting to know them personally. judging people is wrong. only one person is allowed to judge someone in this world: GOD.

 

I don't know about you, but I read and follow the bible, and last I checked, this was the thing the bible taught us:

Love God, love thyself, love thy family, love thy neighbor. and by love thy neighbor it means love all human beings, not just people who live near you. so I don't judge anyone like you seem to judge over one word typed in a post. I don't judge, I make a viewpoint or opinion based off factual evidence through research, or I look at how the person acts towards someone and getting to know them as a person, not over what someone types online.

 

I am not attacking anaylzer,my very first comment here was a response to a post a different user made and analyzer started replying to me. heck I just posted the start of the conversation in the thread up above for you to see, not my fault you still want to go after me for it and judge me over a single post you saw when you weren't involved in the whole discussion.

 

just because I posted something to call out someone on being a prick and worded it a way that YOU  feel is offensive, does not mean I meant it that way just because of how I typed it and how you think I meant it. This is a conversation over text over the internet, you can only interpret text, not hear the person talk or know the person, so quit being a hypocrite.  it is just that, a slur. it is just that, a way I worded a comment.

you did not just criticize me, I told you honestly that I said it as saying something someone did as foolish or stupid, an action, I used the word that way, just because I used a word doesn't mean I used it a certain way YOU think I used it, if I say I didn't call them retarded because I have a mental disability and don't call people mentally disabled, then I didn't call them retarded or mentally disabled, I was acting like a prick to them because they were a prick to me and invoked my wrath.

Edited by ultranx, 25 August 2017 - 03:17 AM.