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[Narufan85]

Statement: Naruto shouldn't have any romance at all, alas One Piece tactic. While it is not to say it will fix everything, it would be better off for Kishimoto.

Agree or disagree?

 

Disagree - As others have said, I don't think we should take into consideration Kishi's own shortcomings writing romance. He had a number of options to pursue early on, and had he done even a decent job, it would have enriched the story.

[catsi563]

I also disagree.

 

I actualy think he was doing a decent job with Naruto and Sakura and even later with Sasuke and Karin. his later failings aside the failing of the manga and romances had more to do with his letting out side influences push his story away from its original line.

 

had he stayed on course we would have gotten a resonable romantic conclusion.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, I have to disagree too. Then again, no romance will have no one talk about pairing war. I mean it will only be fan but never canon wise, especially when trying to make it "work." Still, Kishi clearly had something basic yet enjoyable. Then he act like he's writing Shoujo mixed with tv drama and school life.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

[Yyubie]

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

Agreed

 

If your friends is about to going into a wrong path, it is your duty as a friends to give him positive advice and try to stop him, but not force him, in the end he free to choose whatever path he wants.

Naruto and Sakura need to understand whatever path Sasuke choose, their duty to help Sasuke pretty much done at the end of Part 1, if its not there then its on Orochimaru Base at Yamato/Sai arc. Sasuke pretty much make himself clear that is the path he choose, Naruto and Sakura have to honor it. Sasuke don't need any rescue, Naruto and Sakura is just stuck in the past, they don't realize as time goes on people change, they still thinking the old times of team 7 Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke under Kakashi doing mission together, happy time, they just need to understand that everything will not last forever, they have to moved on and accept the bitter reality that Sasuke is no longer the person he used to be in the past. It is their duty as FORMER comrade to put him down.

[BlackBird19]

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

The simple answer would be to agree. The way Naruto and Sakura were portrayed it seems that they had the problem with obsessing over their teammate and just couldn't let go.

 

However you could disagree pretty easily for the sole reason that the author himself placed so much importance onto Sasuke that rescuing him went from being a subplot to the main plot. Therefore Sasuke was actually the main problem.

 

So instead I'll just cut out the middle man and blame Kishi for not knowing what the hell he was doing.

[SlyNinjaKnight]

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

 

Agree. While I can understand that Naruto and Sakura had formed bonds with Sasuke, and wanted him to return. But they went too far, Sasuke abandoned them, he left of his own volition, Sasuke wasn't forced to leave. And isn't one of the main tenants of Team 7 is Kakashi's quote "Those who betray the ninja rules are trash...but those who betray their comrades are worse than trash." So Sasuke is worse than trash by those standards, and yet Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto all rush after him and obsess about him. If you think about it, the situation is retcon'ing Karachi's (and by extension Naruto and Sakura's) values just like Naruto: The Last recon'd the entire early manga.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I have to agree with this one. This was my number 1 reason on why this plot ruined it for me. Obsession, whether it is said to be or not, was too much for characters to go through with. I mean why they have to be that hellbent. For BnHA, this is what I'm afraid of, more so than the friend becoming an enemy. I don't care if it's aiming to yaoi fans, it shouldn't be this way. I know for a fact that this series is among the few that got carried away.

As for Sakura, look, I have seen dozens of series where their lover becomes bad but that's only after they either get brainwash or they have a legit strong bond before bad things happen. Here, what am I supposed to root for? Her winning her love? They weren't that close to home run. They're still pitching. So I never got the backstory behind it other than "she loves him." Killing intent made it significantly worse and that would only staple her as a bad character for not having a real reaction to it and for a character who is supposed to be based on real life, she sure scares me of people of this generation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: If Boruto, concept and all, wasn't taking after the popular hit series Naruto, whether Naruto don't exist or Boruto is completely original, it wouldn't have the same amount of attention and heavily challenged with its art and background.

Agree or disagree?

[Nate River]

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

Agree. I was going to disagree, but I realized all my problems stem from everyone else's reaction to what he does. That Sasuke took control of the plot was a consequence of Naruto's character finishing its journey long before the series ended.

The character shield? Really an issue of everyone else's reaction to him. He behaves fairly rationally (with one exception) given his motivations.

The main negative related directly to him is his formation of Taka. It makes no sense given his motivation at the time.
 

Statement: If Boruto, concept and all, wasn't taking after the popular hit series Naruto, whether Naruto don't exist or Boruto is completely original, it wouldn't have the same amount of attention and heavily challenged with its art and background.

Agree or disagree?

Hard to say because the plot would probably be very different it weren't depending so much on the original series. Naruto the series is a giant millstone around the series because Naruto was supposed to bring World Peace™, so Boruto is really limited if it wants to avoid stomping on Naruto's accomplishments and characters (though its done that already). With so many issues resolved in the series, Boruto wasn't given a lot of places to go.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'll give another day to respond the latest statement.

[tricksie]

Statement: If Boruto, concept and all, wasn't taking after the popular hit series Naruto, whether Naruto don't exist or Boruto is completely original, it wouldn't have the same amount of attention and heavily challenged with its art and background.

Agree or disagree?

Agree. If Boruto was a standalone manga, I don't think it would even ripple the water. There is nothing interesting about the characters or plot, there is no question that begs to be answered or tension that needs to be overcome - it's just blah!! 

 

Honestly, I wonder how many people will be reading it hoping to catch glimpses of Naruto and Sakura (and anyone else from the original series)?

[Namikaze Clan]

There will obviously be some sort of conflict in the Boruto manga despite everything being wrapped up in the original series(it happened in the Boruto movie despite being in times of peace). The peace Naruto created wont last forever.

Whether it be Orochimaru, Otsutsuki, or some sort of minor village uprising.

As for the statement, I agree. The connection to the previous series is pretty much the only thing that will keep this series afloat. Whether or not it will be able to stand on its own merit remains to be seen

Edited by Namikaze Clan, 17 March 2016 - 12:05 AM.

[MangaReader]

Statement: The main problem of Rescue Sasuke subplot isn't because of Sasuke but rather, Naruto and Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

 

First one I'm agreeing with I think for a change...that's cool. I think you all hit it on the head for the obsession part but at least it was more on Naruto's end then Sakura's, meaning we had every reason to believe there was hope in our favor. Multiple times Sakura talked about saving Sasuke for Naruto rather then herself. But ideally, I wouldn't have mind if Kishimoto made it so the group randomly crossed path's with Sasuke out of sheer accident or common interest rather then painstakingly going out of their way to constantly search the ends of the Earth for Sasuke's whereabouts. I didn't mind Sasuke return being Naruto's main focus in terms of plot, but there were many options available for Kishimoto. Instead Part 2 couldn't live up to Part 1 very much. Character development was running smoothly until the unthinkable happened.

 

Statement: If Boruto, concept and all, wasn't taking after the popular hit series Naruto, whether Naruto don't exist or Boruto is completely original, it wouldn't have the same amount of attention and heavily challenged with its art and background.

Agree or disagree?

 

Maybe it's just how you worded it, but I don't quite get what's truly being asked here... I assume your saying if Boruto was ultimately the next "Naruto" without being Naruto, that most people wouldn't look past it? Or at least something like that right?

 

Either way I guess I'd agree to that, if only because the current story we're gonna get is just a basic re-hash of the story we've already been told with crappier characters. At least if it were original, I could look past the crap I know that will ultimately be dispersed.  

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just think Boruto as a standalone, new IP, new franchise, based on nothing, series. If it wasn't based on anything, it wouldn't be watched as now.

[Namikaze Clan]

Just think Boruto as a standalone, new IP, new franchise, based on nothing, series. If it wasn't based on anything, it wouldn't be watched as now.

Well Boruto is a sequel series to a long running manga. It will have a mythology and world borrowed from the previous manga. If it was a new IP and Naruto didn't exist beforehand, then there wouldnt be any stigma attatched to it since it wouldnt be the result of an ending people hated

[Bail o' Lies]

Just think Boruto as a standalone, new IP, new franchise, based on nothing, series. If it wasn't based on anything, it wouldn't be watched as now.

We don't have a chapter yet. So we can't really say if it even could stand on it own. The gaiden certainly couldn't. It relied on the old manga, and had a retched story.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 17 March 2016 - 06:39 AM.

[Yyubie]

Statement: If Boruto, concept and all, wasn't taking after the popular hit series Naruto, whether Naruto don't exist or Boruto is completely original, it wouldn't have the same amount of attention and heavily challenged with its art and background.

Agree or disagree?

Everything about Boruto is about the old generation or Naruto itself. So far from TL, Gaiden, Novel, to Boruto movie, The name of Boruto and the new generation itself still doesn't give us somethings new. In my opinion it save to say Boruto is 100% RECYCLE of Naruto, they just combining or mixing things that already in the original manga. From their abilities their background their stories and plot the villain ... all is just from digging up garbage dump, mixing and combining and recycle it. Boruto ... is there anything new about this kid?? rasengan, shadow clone, that tiger palm thing his mom using, and that's it its just from their parent [byakugan in the future]. Sarada ... Medic and super human power, sharingan, its just like their parent. Mitsuki?? same abilities like Orochimaru.

 

So in my opinion its not about AGREE or DISAGREE here, Without Naruto or the original manga, Boruto will NEVER EXIST.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to agree with this one. It's the only reason why I'm waiting for its release. Granted, I may check on it one day if it was a new IP, but the thing is that Boruto has a background and that's spawning from the popular Naruto. That said the thought of seeing this because of background wouldn't happen if Boruto was just brand new. But because it's not, the interest goes to "more Naruto."

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Out of all Uchiha, Madara is the biggest asspull character.

Agree or disagree?