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[MangaReader]

In honor of this being a debate thread and while it's probably tiresome... I feel like bringing one up for ole times sake. 

 

So despite this image being a thing 2 years ago, I find it to still be relevant enough of an argument to use against us for some dumb reason

 

 

Let me count the ways of how wrong this comparison is by every standard... Seriously, why did this even become a thing at any point? 

 

Both believed in Kushina/Naruto before anyone else? The hell? Kushina thought Minato was totally unreliable, it was her who needed to believe in him because he was the one ultimately with a dream, not Kushina. As for Hinata, she just believed that Naruto was a proud failure like her, not believing he could be anyone special, hell she never once knew of his dream to become Hokage, at least not canon wise. What utter garbage to start us off here at #1 lol

 

Minato might be quiet at times, but he's far from timid... yeah he's not easy to work up, but his serious side is far more intimidating then Hinata's ever will be. He's might be Kushina's opposite, but he's also fully capable of calming her down. Naruto's has Kushina's personality, but not her temper, he doesn't go on a rampage quite like his mom and even when he's hot blooded, he's never been such a guy canon-wise around Hinata. Besides, she no where near capable enough to calm him down if he ever did get quite testy, so, failure #2.

 

Watching from a distance is an interesting term... we really didn't see Minato and Kushina much, but we know he wasn't the stalker type like Hinata... and we also know Minato actually succeeded in rescuing the woman he loved because she needed him while Hinata failed hard because she refused to believe in Naruto when he asked that no one interfere. It's almost like she purposely entered the fray to die thinking Pain would actually achieve his goal of kidnapping Naruto, just utterly no faith in the guy she apparently loves. #3 still fails with flying colors.

 

Wait...wtf, I just explained this, when did Hinata save Naruto when he needed her most? Pretty sure Sakura was the one to perform CPR... Wait, they actually think Hinata saved him from Neji's sacrifice? How do these people function if this is the logic they come up with? I... I can't... geez.

[Catra]

"people are stupid."

 

- Pein/Nagato

[Caramelmarmalade]

 
Although that was not the question I asked. Never mind lol.

He said that his wife is a narusaku fan and his wife got nad at him bcs of the naruhina ending ~~

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

In honor of this being a debate thread and while it's probably tiresome... I feel like bringing one up for ole times sake. 

 

So despite this image being a thing 2 years ago, I find it to still be relevant enough of an argument to use against us for some dumb reason

 

 

Let me count the ways of how wrong this comparison is by every standard... Seriously, why did this even become a thing at any point? 

 

Both believed in Kushina/Naruto before anyone else? The hell? Kushina thought Minato was totally unreliable, it was her who needed to believe in him because he was the one ultimately with a dream, not Kushina. As for Hinata, she just believed that Naruto was a proud failure like her, not believing he could be anyone special, hell she never once knew of his dream to become Hokage, at least not canon wise. What utter garbage to start us off here at #1 lol

 

Minato might be quiet at times, but he's far from timid... yeah he's not easy to work up, but his serious side is far more intimidating then Hinata's ever will be. He's might be Kushina's opposite, but he's also fully capable of calming her down. Naruto's has Kushina's personality, but not her temper, he doesn't go on a rampage quite like his mom and even when he's hot blooded, he's never been such a guy canon-wise around Hinata. Besides, she no where near capable enough to calm him down if he ever did get quite testy, so, failure #2.

 

Watching from a distance is an interesting term... we really didn't see Minato and Kushina much, but we know he wasn't the stalker type like Hinata... and we also know Minato actually succeeded in rescuing the woman he loved because she needed him while Hinata failed hard because she refused to believe in Naruto when he asked that no one interfere. It's almost like she purposely entered the fray to die thinking Pain would actually achieve his goal of kidnapping Naruto, just utterly no faith in the guy she apparently loves. #3 still fails with flying colors.

 

Wait...wtf, I just explained this, when did Hinata save Naruto when he needed her most? Pretty sure Sakura was the one to perform CPR... Wait, they actually think Hinata saved him from Neji's sacrifice? How do these people function if this is the logic they come up with? I... I can't... geez.

There's also the fact that Minato was a natural leader with charisma and was considered one of those once-in-a-lifetime geniuses like Orochimaru, Itachi, and such. When has Hinata ever shown to be a leader at all, much less with charisma that would draw people in and follow her without question even to the death? Minato is the type of leader who is the first onto the battlefield and the last to leave. He's able to make huge (personal) sacrifice for the greater good of his people. Hinata is the complete opposite of that. She's constantly just in the background; the last onto the battlefield, and is usually the first to try to get herself and others off the battlefield unless "Naruto-kun" is right beside her like a security blanket/crutch, and she would gladly throw anyone and everyone under the bus so long as "Naruto-kun" is safe and with her (she proved this with Pain and The Last). This is why I believe Hinata was only made a Chunin alongside the others just so she wouldn't be "left behind", otherwise, the only way I think she became Chunin in-universe was because Tsunade promoted her independently of any exam, for who-knows-what-reason (perhaps political pressure from Hiashi or something), because with the way Hinata acts a vast majority of the time, there is no way she could pass any inter-village Chunin Exam that looks at brains and leadership capabilities as much, if not more than strength (of which she also lacks) since any Kage worth anything would easily see that she shouldn't even be a kunoichi to begin with.

When has Hinata ever done anything that would make anyone consider her a "genius"? NH lovers will try to bring up her non-canon 64 Palm defense and the Twin Lion Fists as her creating her own moves like Minato did with the (initial) Rasengan, thus "genius", but the problem with that is that neither move was created from complete scratch like the Rasengan was. Both of them used existing moves and an established fighting style that Hinata already was trained in and she simply used them slightly differently (simply using the same 64 palms move defensively rather than offensively), and if they look at the wiki they love they much, it's even implied that the Twin Lion Fists is a technique that has already existed, but was just another top secret Hyuga Main Branch technique and not something Hinata created herself. Either way, it's never completely shown what exactly it's supposed to do aside from being the usual Jyuken style with a fancier paint job.

Basically, the whole MK/NH comparison is nothing more than taking the absolute most basic similarities between the two pairings and saying that makes them exactly the same while ignoring any and all specifics that clearly prove the opposite.

[Hanabi]

hinata is like minato, believe it! 

and also kushina

naruto's just adopted. 

hinata's the real child of mk, believe it!

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

He said that his wife is a narusaku fan and his wife got nad at him bcs of the naruhina ending ~~

 

I know about that. I was asking (that has nothing to do with the story) that what if Kishi was one of those devil wives in Japan. I can see why Shuiesha and the studio hated Sakura because it could have been about Kishi's wife, meddling in with the manga. We will never know how much influence she had on the manga other than that she suggested that to Kishi that to create a character (Kushina) based off of her and she helped developed the MK relationship.

 

Ironically, it seems her ideas hit the spot and I would not be surprised years later, Kishi reveals that his wive had a big hand in the NS developments that went to waste 

[One Piece Nation]

 

Bro, I have said it so much in our chats on Skype that it means that NH is no better than what they claim NS is! XD And seriously, NS at least had PROPER development.

Is there a NaruSaku skype chat 

[Nar123]

Dear narusaku fellow fans,
I have recently watched boruto the movie. Guess what? I really like the kids there, truthfully im agree they are making a sequel outta it ><
I know im weird as a loyal fans lol
Throughout the movie i always thought what if narusaku actually happen and what if the family that provide home for boruto was narusaku :'(
What do you guys think of the movie?

Btw i am an old member too but long time deactivate, heartbroken and decided to move on to my life till i watch the movie just ytd . This is my new acc i forgot my old one ><

It's quite normal for people who still have a shred of enjoyment for Naruto to enjoy the Boruto movie because that movie drives itself with pure nostalgia fuel

It also goes out it's way to enforce SNS over the distasteful NH and SS relationships

Well, I didn't liked the movie because I have no fondness left for the series so the nostalgia tactic didn't work

[Catra]

there's nothing to get nostalgia over if it never meant anything

[MangaReader]

Since the first one was received pretty well, I'll continue this unless I get directly told to stop... 

 

So yeah, another fun "argument" for the "amazing" pairing that is NaruHina is this: 

 

 

Unknowingly, they admit Naruto does love Sakura with this... on the other hand, they completely disregard that maybe a Hinata did exist for these guys and just like the Hinata we got, was completely irrelevant to the ultimate story being told and left to the background like the rest of the trash, scratch that, some background characters had more value then Hinata did. Or the reality they refuse to believe in was Naruto's true goal at ending past failures was being able to marry the women he loves... instead our ending involved nothing indicating our hero succeed at accomplishing anything that the past failed. Cycle of hatred ended? Don't know. Love Life? Take the easy route. Defeat the rival? Lets end this with a draw at best. Becoming Hokage? Pretty effin pointless considering peace apparently exists with no reason as to why.

 

Best Ending Evah, huh guys? ¬_¬

[Nar123]

Since the first one was received pretty well, I'll continue this unless I get directly told to stop... 
 
So yeah, another fun "argument" for the "amazing" pairing that is NaruHina is this: 
 

 
Unknowingly, they admit Naruto does love Sakura with this... on the other hand, they completely disregard that maybe a Hinata did exist for these guys and just like the Hinata we got, was completely irrelevant to the ultimate story being told and left to the background like the rest of the trash, scratch that, some background characters had more value then Hinata did. Or the reality they refuse to believe in was Naruto's true goal at ending past failures was being able to marry the women he loves... instead our ending involved nothing indicating our hero succeed at accomplishing anything that the past failed. Cycle of hatred ended? Don't know. Love Life? Take the easy route. Defeat the rival? Lets end this with a draw at best. Becoming Hokage? Pretty effin pointless considering peace apparently exists with no reason as to why.
 
Best Ending Evah, huh guys? ¬_¬

You're right

If anything that NH thingy works more towards NS, since it acknowledges Naruto's feelings and considering one of the themes of the series was new generation > old generation, it makes far more sense that Naruto would be the one to raise above the so called friend zone

They ended up kind of comparing Hinata to the easy way out Jiraya took when he couldn't get Tsunade (hookers, strippers..that kind of thing)

Edited by Nar123, 19 February 2016 - 03:57 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

You're right

If anything that NH thingy works more towards NS, since it acknowledges Naruto's feeding and considering one of the themes of the series was new generation > old generation, it makes far more sense that Naruto would be the one to raise above the so called friend zone

They ended up kind of comparing Hinata to the easy way out Jiraya took when he couldn't get Tsunade (hookers, strippers..that kind of thing)

Also if the new generation is suppose to surpass the old. Naruto married hinata! yay! woo! yippee! Who is Bolt most likely going to marry. Sakura's daughter who acts with bolt the same way her mother did with Naruto. So basically BS is a copy of NS. So according to nH fans is BS which is a copy of NS is better then nH because the new generation will surpass the old one? 

 

So was kishi's so called plan was he realized that Naruto was getting a sequel but couldn't find a more perfect pairing that the kids could surpass then NS. So to give the new series something they can surpass their parents on they get this pairing relationships right? also because they couldn't think of a way to make nH interesting and would rather just do NS over again with Team 7 kids? Remember nH only got a one shot and a movie to focus on it (i'm ignoring the novels because i don't care about them.) The NS clone BS is getting a new series in anime manga and probably games.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 February 2016 - 01:45 PM.

[NeonRanger]

A lot of NH are fine with BS for one reason, and that Sarada isn't like Sakura, and by that the majority means that as long as Sarada doesn't hit Bolt, they are okay with her. A lot of NH complained, especially on Tumblr and DA, that the minute Sarada hits Bolt, she is a dead to them as Sakura is to the manga. This is an obvious indicator as to how the majority sees NH and female characters in general.

Edited by NeonRanger, 19 February 2016 - 07:34 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

A lot of NH are fine with BS for one reason, and that Sarada isn't like Sakura, and by that the majority means that as long as Sarada doesn't hit Bolt, they are okay with her. A lot of NH complained, especially on Tumblr and DA, that the minute Sarada hits Bolt, she is a dead to them as Sakura is to the manga. This is an obvious indicator as to how the majority sees NH and female characters in general.

She has already hit bolt in that SD one shot. Which was clearly approved by kishi.

 

...So is she dead to them yet? Better show it to them just in case.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 February 2016 - 12:25 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

You might want to post/show that image to those fans on tumbler. As for the whole hitting thing. I assume that the guys don't like their insert character being hit by a female and not hit back because it questions their masculinity. While girl don't like it because Sakura is hitting their insert for their fantasy boyfriend and how dare she hit their man.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 February 2016 - 12:34 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

A lot of NH are fine with BS for one reason, and that Sarada isn't like Sakura, and by that the majority means that as long as Sarada doesn't hit Bolt, they are okay with her. A lot of NH complained, especially on Tumblr and DA, that the minute Sarada hits Bolt, she is a dead to them as Sakura is to the manga. This is an obvious indicator as to how the majority sees NH and female characters in general.

Wow I mean wow this just show how sexist NH fans or the males all are they just hate strong woman.

[rocci]

A lot of NH are fine with BS for one reason, and that Sarada isn't like Sakura, and by that the majority means that as long as Sarada doesn't hit Bolt, they are okay with her. A lot of NH complained, especially on Tumblr and DA, that the minute Sarada hits Bolt, she is a dead to them as Sakura is to the manga. This is an obvious indicator as to how the majority sees NH and female characters in general.

I don't read nor watch the movie, but from what little I get salad is liked sakura. She's pretty much sakura uchiha.

[rikakim94]

Whats your opinion on this tv tropes post as labeled word of god never said that.

 

• During the fandom meltdown surrounding the resolution of the series' Romance Arcs, several "translations" of Word Of God were strategically circulated that were so out of touch with the original source that they had to have been deliberately engineered to cause grief, facilitate denial and mislead impressionable minds. Those consisted of a myriad in-universe and out-of-universe disheartening "true" reasons that the Official Couple got together - it was only because one of them felt sorry for the other and settled for her as a consolation prize; it only happened because ofExecutive Meddling and the author caving in to fan demands; the TRUE love standing in its way was there and mutual, but it never got to materialize merely due to some tragic misunderstanding, or ill-conceived and needless martyrdom on the part of the characters - the author failed to follow through on it on a vindictive whim, or because his hand was forced. 
  Compared to all of this, the truth is ridiculously banal; the Official Couple got together in the usual way that fictional couples do — because the author decided it would be great if they were to fall in love, so they did. No reservations, no cynical "yeah, but"s about it. Some of the "true" alternate explanations were just fabricated whole-cloth; others were "inspired" by actual Word Of God that had little resemblence to them, and instead described considerations that are much less scandalous and are par-for-the-course for the occasion. e.g. "if this character doesn't get with this other character her entire arc becomes kind of pointless", or "the decision to go this way was made long ago anyway, I toyed with other possibilities for a while just to throw fans off".
• Kishimoto's close involvement with the production of the movie Naruto the Movie: Road to Ninja which is heavily loaded with Naruto/Sakura Ship Teasing, made a lot of their shippers to claim that "The movie is Kishi's baby written by him, that means he supports the ship!", in reality Kishimoto was only involved with the characters' designs and story draft, while the actual script of the movie was done by Yuka Mikata, who's (in)famous for herNaruto/Sakura-teasing scene additions to the anime filler.
• When the series was reaching its end, quite a few fans claimed that Kishimoto had confirmed that in the ending Naruto would have a son named Shinachiku, based on an interview made during the promotion of the aforementioned Road To Ninja movie; in reality during the interview Kishimoto when asked if Naruto would have a child how would he call him, he answered that probably Shinachiku. The real names for Naruto's children turned out to be Boruto and Himawari.

Edited by rikakim94, 20 February 2016 - 06:09 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

If only we did have Shinachiku. 

[rocci]

@rikarim
That is their justification.
While sometime people(including us) misinterpret kishi word, but it doesn't change the fact that his so called word of god has so many contradiction.

I mean if staff know that ss is canon pairing since the inception of anime, than junko WILL NOT surprise over the fact that nh become canon. Since Hinata is the only female character who love naruto, it doesn't take complex math to conclude that if ss canon than nh will canon.

Or why he doesn't said that sakura is officially not the heroine anymore and Hinata is, instead of waiting until naruto end.