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[tricksie]

 

Alright, I wanted to ask you, Tricks; how do you feel about this Genjutsu theory that Starlitestarbrite has had; where everyone is in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and hasn't woken up yet?

I love this theory!!!! I hadn't thought about it that way - that the genjutsu started at the beginning of the war and not the end - but it makes great sense and opens the door for things to go very differently.

 

It kind of makes the IT world half dream world and half worst possible scenario. Like for each good thing a person gains in the IT world, they would lose something too.

 

Hinata gains Naruto's love, yet she loses Neji.

Sakura gains Sasuke's love, yet she loses Naruto's.

Ino gains Sai, but she loses her father.

 

Etc. etc. etc.

 

And this pattern would follow into the future of Konoha, where Naruto is the kage, but he turns out to not be any different from the rest of them. And Konoha has peace, but at what cost? They're a modern city, devoid of the traditions that made it the great "Village Hidden in the Leaves."

 

So if there were a scenario where Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke realized they were trapped in a genjutsu, then they might be able to see the two different worlds. What they've gained and what they've had to give up.

 

And the fight then could be to break the genjutsu and return the world back to before the war - plunging them back, from peace back into war, from stability back into instability, but also giving them a chance to have a real future, not one that was designed to keep the just numbed enough to not want to fight back.

 

Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke could work independently to unravel the whole dream world. Sasuke leaving the village and never knowing Salad could all be because he's already figured out that it's some kind of IT world. And it could also be that Neji realized that something was wrong, sensed the genjutsu, fought back against Madara and that was why he died during the war. Same with Inoichi and Shika's dad. 

 

Anyway...you can see I think it's a great idea that you could easily run with!! lol! But I think it's a great theory - better than the IT happening at the end with Obito. (In fact, perhaps Obito's under it as well, where he thinks he has ultimate power, but he doesn't.)

[Kate Anesuna]

I love this theory!!!! I hadn't thought about it that way - that the genjutsu started at the beginning of the war and not the end - but it makes great sense and opens the door for things to go very differently.
 
It kind of makes the IT world half dream world and half worst possible scenario. Like for each good thing a person gains in the IT world, they would lose something too.
 
Hinata gains Naruto's love, yet she loses Neji.
Sakura gains Sasuke's love, yet she loses Naruto's.
Ino gains Sai, but she loses her father.
 
Etc. etc. etc.
 
And this pattern would follow into the future of Konoha, where Naruto is the kage, but he turns out to not be any different from the rest of them. And Konoha has peace, but at what cost? They're a modern city, devoid of the traditions that made it the great "Village Hidden in the Leaves."
 
So if there were a scenario where Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke realized they were trapped in a genjutsu, then they might be able to see the two different worlds. What they've gained and what they've had to give up.
 
And the fight then could be to break the genjutsu and return the world back to before the war - plunging them back, from peace back into war, from stability back into instability, but also giving them a chance to have a real future, not one that was designed to keep the just numbed enough to not want to fight back.
 
Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke could work independently to unravel the whole dream world. Sasuke leaving the village and never knowing Salad could all be because he's already figured out that it's some kind of IT world. And it could also be that Neji realized that something was wrong, sensed the genjutsu, fought back against Madara and that was why he died during the war. Same with Inoichi and Shika's dad. 
 
Anyway...you can see I think it's a great idea that you could easily run with!! lol! But I think it's a great theory - better than the IT happening at the end with Obito. (In fact, perhaps Obito's under it as well, where he thinks he has ultimate power, but he doesn't.)

When I found the 609 panel of the Juubi while I was looking for hints I couldnt believe it... it was in front of our eyes all the time... That's why I rebloged everywhere I could to share with the ppl who still believe we have a chance that this isn't the real end

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I love this theory!!!! I hadn't thought about it that way - that the genjutsu started at the beginning of the war and not the end - but it makes great sense and opens the door for things to go very differently.

 

It kind of makes the IT world half dream world and half worst possible scenario. Like for each good thing a person gains in the IT world, they would lose something too.

 

Hinata gains Naruto's love, yet she loses Neji.

Sakura gains Sasuke's love, yet she loses Naruto's.

Ino gains Sai, but she loses her father.

 

Etc. etc. etc.

 

And this pattern would follow into the future of Konoha, where Naruto is the kage, but he turns out to not be any different from the rest of them. And Konoha has peace, but at what cost? They're a modern city, devoid of the traditions that made it the great "Village Hidden in the Leaves."

 

So if there were a scenario where Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke realized they were trapped in a genjutsu, then they might be able to see the two different worlds. What they've gained and what they've had to give up.

 

And the fight then could be to break the genjutsu and return the world back to before the war - plunging them back, from peace back into war, from stability back into instability, but also giving them a chance to have a real future, not one that was designed to keep the just numbed enough to not want to fight back.

 

Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke could work independently to unravel the whole dream world. Sasuke leaving the village and never knowing Salad could all be because he's already figured out that it's some kind of IT world. And it could also be that Neji realized that something was wrong, sensed the genjutsu, fought back against Madara and that was why he died during the war. Same with Inoichi and Shika's dad. 

 

Anyway...you can see I think it's a great idea that you could easily run with!! lol! But I think it's a great theory - better than the IT happening at the end with Obito. (In fact, perhaps Obito's under it as well, where he thinks he has ultimate power, but he doesn't.)

 

I think it is too, babe. I mean, there's also a panel Star shared from the battle with Kaguya as Obito is dying that someone was standing in the distance who couldn't be made out, and it sure wasn't Naruto since he was trying to heal Obito even if it wasn't possible, Sakura, Kakashi, or Sasuke. So it makes you wonder who it is. Some theories too is that Madara cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi on Team 7, besides Obito being the one to do it. 

 

I've seen something done like this in comic books before; Mongul, one of Superman's deadlier enemies, used a plant called the Black Mercy to trap Clark in a dream-like state, where he envisioned a perfect world, but there were hiccups in it, and eventually he broke free from the grip of the Black Mercy. But that's just showing you that the Genjutsu, if it's true, is that powerful that no one has been FULLY aware of that being a Genjutsu. Which is why everything feels weird, like how you think if Naruto really did move on from Sakura that he'd be happy with Hinata, but he feels... miserable, as does everyone else.

[TheFirstEvil100]

When I found the 609 panel of the Juubi while I was looking for hints I couldnt believe it... it was in front of our eyes all the time... That's why I rebloged everywhere I could to share with the ppl who still believe we have a chance that this isn't the real end

So kate something I have been meaning to ask if the Genjutsu happens who would wake up first from the IT, I mean I'm not sure but it could be a member of team 7. Me I think it should be Sakura.

[Kate Anesuna]

So kate something I have been meaning to ask if the Genjutsu happens who would wake up first from the IT, I mean I'm not sure but it could be a member of team 7. Me I think it should be Sakura.

Im wondering between Naruto and Sakura. Sakura because of her skills with Genjutsu, but in reality we never saw her casting any.
And Naruto is a tricky one. Naruto sucked at creating Bunshins, that's what made him fail his Genin exam, remember? But after that he mastered Kage Bunshin no Jutsu as we all know. Just like Neji mentions.. is his best Jutsu.

http://anesuna.tumbl...hange-if-naruto

So what I think is that Naruto sucks at Genjutsu but he will dispel this Infinite Tsukuyomi and save everyone from it.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Im wondering between Naruto and Sakura. Sakura because of her skills with Genjutsu, but in reality we never saw her casting any.
And Naruto is a tricky one. Naruto sucked at creating Bunshins, that's what made him fail his Genin exam, remember? But after that he mastered Kage Bunshin no Jutsu as we all know. Just like Neji mentions.. is his best Jutsu.

http://anesuna.tumbl...hange-if-naruto

So what I think is that Naruto sucks at Genjutsu but he will dispel this Infinite Tsukuyomi and save everyone from it.

 

Which is why I could see it make sense, and besides, Naruto has tried to work on the Clone Jutsu, even if the Shadow Clone Jutsu is his best Jutsu.

[Yyubie]

You know if you remember what Itachi said the thing needed the most to dispel Izanama, IS TO ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE not to copy someones else or be in denial. Kabuto do this thats why got trap inside Izanami and defeated, and then he realize he need to accept who he really are and not to copy Orochimaru thats how he breaks the Izanami.

 

Of course that is Izanami, i wonder if the same rule apply on Infinite Tsukuyomi. Then again the war start long before that and if the IT happen in 609 that means Izanami to is product of Infinite Tsukuyomi.

But if you think about it, they are not who they truly really are right now, they are in denial they thought they were happy, they think this is the life they wanted. Naruto thinks he can be happy and slowly forget about Sakura and fall in love with Hinata while in reality he can't. Sakura thinks Sasuke loves her, she thinks its ok if hes not around, while in reality she lives in misery.

 

Maybe they will realize this is an IT or dsipel it, if they finally accept that this is not the life they really wanted and they are in misery.

[Vice]

You know if you remember what Itachi said the thing needed the most to dispel Izanama, IS TO ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE not to copy someones else or be in denial. Kabuto do this thats why got trap inside Izanami and defeated, and then he realize he need to accept who he really are and not to copy Orochimaru thats how he breaks the Izanami.

 

Of course that is Izanami, i wonder if the same rule apply on Infinite Tsukuyomi. Then again the war start long before that and if the IT happen in 609 that means Izanami to is product of Infinite Tsukuyomi.

But if you think about it, they are not who they truly really are right now, they are in denial they thought they were happy, they think this is the life they wanted. Naruto thinks he can be happy and slowly forget about Sakura and fall in love with Hinata while in reality he can't. Sakura thinks Sasuke loves her, she thinks its ok if hes not around, while in reality she lives in misery.

 

Maybe they will realize this is an IT or dsipel it, if they finally accept that this is not the life they really wanted and they are in misery.

I thought IT was just a dream of all the things you want in life. That's one of the reasons why I don't know how IT would work. Although I could see that Naruto just wants Sakura to be happy so this could all just be his IT dream.

Edited by Vice, 14 December 2015 - 08:19 AM.

[Kate Anesuna]

I thought IT was just a dream of all the things you want in life. That's one of the reasons why I don't know how IT would work. Although I could see that Naruto just wants Sakura to be happy so this could all just be his IT dream.

Is not Naruto's IT. Chapter 606 Madara explains how the IT works. The caster has to create the environment of the "dream". Naruto=Obito is a short hair hokage that gave up on his love for Sakura=Rin for his rival and now kind of a sensei Sasuke/Kakashi.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Im wondering between Naruto and Sakura. Sakura because of her skills with Genjutsu, but in reality we never saw her casting any.
And Naruto is a tricky one. Naruto sucked at creating Bunshins, that's what made him fail his Genin exam, remember? But after that he mastered Kage Bunshin no Jutsu as we all know. Just like Neji mentions.. is his best Jutsu.

http://anesuna.tumbl...hange-if-naruto

So what I think is that Naruto sucks at Genjutsu but he will dispel this Infinite Tsukuyomi and save everyone from it.

Hmmmmm that is good I think that I would have to go with Sakura as you said she does have skill with Genjutsu and lets face it her getting everyone out of the IT would be good and tick off the Hinata fans.

 

Or maybe both Naruto and Sakura?

[Kate Anesuna]

Hmmmmm that is good I think that I would have to go with Sakura as you said she does have skill with Genjutsu and lets face it her getting everyone out of the IT would be good and tick off the Hinata fans.
 
Or maybe both Naruto and Sakura?

I believe Sakura has a major role after all this since her Hyakugou its part of the IT. Meaning she will have another thing ^^ but it's just a theory of mine. Not sure about it

[Kate Anesuna]

You know if you remember what Itachi said the thing needed the most to dispel Izanama, IS TO ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE not to copy someones else or be in denial. Kabuto do this thats why got trap inside Izanami and defeated, and then he realize he need to accept who he really are and not to copy Orochimaru thats how he breaks the Izanami.
 
Of course that is Izanami, i wonder if the same rule apply on Infinite Tsukuyomi. Then again the war start long before that and if the IT happen in 609 that means Izanami to is product of Infinite Tsukuyomi.
But if you think about it, they are not who they truly really are right now, they are in denial they thought they were happy, they think this is the life they wanted. Naruto thinks he can be happy and slowly forget about Sakura and fall in love with Hinata while in reality he can't. Sakura thinks Sasuke loves her, she thinks its ok if hes not around, while in reality she lives in misery.
 
Maybe they will realize this is an IT or dsipel it, if they finally accept that this is not the life they really wanted and they are in misery.

The IT works exactly has we see in RtN. In the end Naruto accepted he didn't had parents and he couldn't have Menma's parents. They are still trapped there bc they don't know they are in a Genjutsu

[TheFirstEvil100]

I believe Sakura has a major role after all this since her Hyakugou its part of the IT. Meaning she will have another thing ^^ but it's just a theory of mine. Not sure about it

Well tell me more about it I mean the part with Sakura I mean as I would like to know just how Sakura would, well wake up from this IT that she is stuck in since I think its all one big dream that they are all having at the same time.

[Kate Anesuna]

Well tell me more about it I mean the part with Sakura I mean as I would like to know just how Sakura would, well wake up from this IT that she is stuck in since I think its all one big dream that they are all having at the same time.

What i mean is since she doesnt have the hyakugou she will have something else. In my opinion is much powerful than the Hyakugou

[TheFirstEvil100]

What i mean is since she doesnt have the hyakugou she will have something else. In my opinion is much powerful than the Hyakugou

if I remember James once said she would be a slug sage which is powerful, just not sure how poweful maybe on the same power Naruto had in pain arc but I think she would need something even more powerful.

 

So its either

 

1 Slug Sage power

 

2 something new and more powerful than what Sasuke has, (I sayn this as you need that point for Sasuke to get all grumpy.

 

3 sage mode and wood art as well

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Who knows. We are close to discovering the IT from this current filler episode.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Who knows. We are close to discovering the IT from this current filler episode.

 

Hope it has more clarity. It also could be a Studio Pierrot trap to lure us into a false sense of security... X_X

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

Hope it has more clarity. It also could be a Studio Pierrot trap to lure us into a false sense of security... X_X

 

I think they may try to win us back.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

I think they may try to win us back.

 

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. They know they took a hit as did some of the merchandise makers with The Last as well as the NH stuff, getting SOME back from the Boruto movie, but not all of what they wanted.

[Kate Anesuna]

if I remember James once said she would be a slug sage which is powerful, just not sure how poweful maybe on the same power Naruto had in pain arc but I think she would need something even more powerful.
 
So its either
 
1 Slug Sage power
 
2 something new and more powerful than what Sasuke has, (I sayn this as you need that point for Sasuke to get all grumpy.
 
3 sage mode and wood art as well

for me... it's wood style.