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[TouKen4Life3g]

 

It would be very cruel watching Sasuke berate her. Something along the lines of you far more useless than both your mothers, be quiet child.

It's not cruel. It's Sasuke.

[Nicholas Wolfwood]

you know what's the worst part of this chapter?

Sakura and Sasuke act like there is a bond of love, cairing and compassion between them, but there actually is none, Sakura calls him "Otto" or "danna-sama" or at least it is nowhere to be shown (so it is nonexistent, since writing is about showing, not telling). This forehead poke has nothing to do with Sakura. It's a Thing between Itachi and Sasuke, who had a SHOWN REAL BOND, not a told one.

 

So Sakura's "best" Memory of Sasuke is when he poked her forehead? Interesting. Why? Sakura has no Idea what it means for Sasuke. She has no Idea of him, his life, his Feelings and everything else. Or was she thinking about one of the numerous times he tried to kill her? "His sparkling Hand aimed directly for my heart, it was so romantikkuuuu from Otto danna-sama" - Would make way more sense for her current personality, wich is nothing more than some scattered pieces who do not fit together anymore.

 

But wait ... this forehead poke ... could it .... could it be that this was supposed to be A CUPID FOR SASUSAKU?!?!?! OMG TRUTH IS HERE, I FOUND IT! (Please kill me ....)

 

My wife is not a weak woman - interesting. How do you know, Sasgay aka "I'm Kishimotos favourite Charakter and the manga should've been called Sasuke-instead!"?

The last time you saw her was 12 years ago - and you weren't very fond of her and her abilities that time. Oh wait, that must've been happened off Panel, just like every other seemingly relevant plotpoint, right? Yeeeaaahhh ...

 

The characters, this manga, everything ... ist just like broken pieces of glass who are so demolished that they can't fit together anymore.

Kishimoto can tell me 5000 times that this glass is actually a Vase. My eyes are telling me otherwise.

I agree. I said something very similar in the general Gaiden thread. Hey Kishi, here's a quote that might interest you:  The truth is generally seen, rarely heard.  - Baltasar Gracian

I guess Kishimoto remembered that was Naruto in disguise, so he really couldn't put that as their happiest moment since it wasn't Sasuke. (lol)

Don't worry. He'll retcon it so it actually was Sasuke.

Edited by Nicholas Wolfwood, 19 June 2015 - 12:07 AM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Don't worry. He'll retcon it so it actually was Sasuke.

That would not surprise me,

[TouKen4Life3g]

I got to say, it was pretty funny for people to talk about time stop and stuff when entering dimensions. That's amazing.

[Apollo]

I got to say, it was pretty funny for people to talk about time stop and stuff when entering dimensions. That's amazing.

 

Have any of them considered the physics behind it?

 

oh wait, that would require rationality. My bad 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Have any of them considered the physics behind it?
 
oh wait, that would require rationality. My bad 

They'll do anything to make anything look good, let alone the entire series.

[Change]

It seems casual fans have no idea as well wtf is going on

gaiden was only made for pairing tards it seems 

[Nar123]

I still want to know when did Sasuke developed the power of crossing between dimensions 

 

and there is the fact that he is still using the power the sage gave him, I wonder though why Naruto isn't using his sage hax power?  I mean, he could fly, bring lost limbs and organs back and do a whole lot of things...surely such power would come in handy right Kishi? Unless...he believed Naruto was too overpowered and retconned the sage hax mode power into the normal bijuu chakra cloak however if he actually did this he is making Naruto effectively weaker than Sasuke...lol Kishi

 

 

 

It seems casual fans have no idea as well wtf is going on

gaiden was only made for pairing tards it seems 

 

hahahaha

 

this series is such trash that it's difficult to believe it's actual canon and not part of a bad fanfiction

Edited by Nar123, 19 June 2015 - 12:34 AM.

[rocci]

This story is a canon fanfiction

[Strangelove]

This story is a canon fanfiction

 

Fanfiction of what? Dragon Ball.

[tricksie]

 

Not saying he's going to do that, but he just inputting the NS moments because that's all he can do. You noticed that he doesn't give NH screen time because he's not used to writing NH. And he doesn't want to make SS the lovely couple SSers want. He simply used to writing NS moments for 15 years. That is why we have so much of the NaruXSarada, Sakura looking like Kushina, and Naruto getting jealous.

Yes, exactly. Kishimoto is still writing the same old story he's been writing for 699 chapters. That's why this story is such crazy mixed messaging. He can't let NS go, yet he's not going to go all out and have a consensual mutually-affirming SS lovefest either.  

 

And hello? The panel with Naruto saying "Let's go save your mom!" - Wha??!? Shouldn't this be Sasuke's line? Why is Naruto the one saying it? 

 

The whole thing is a mess. I think ultimately, NH had to be the ending to satisfy the higher powers, that's why it's such a no-show in the manga. It's an SP-driven ship, made by the anime and brought to fulfillment in the movie. But Kishimoto never wanted it.

 

Which leaves the real manga ending NS or SS? And that's why the Gaiden is such mixed messaging. Kishimoto doesn't want to disrespect his main character, who has always chased after Sakura. It's Naruto's whole identity. So he can't show a fully-realized SS. Showing SS in a mutually loving relationship means that Naruto lost (even though he's with Hinata, the one he never wanted) and makes Naruto less of a hero.

 

HOWEVER, Sasuke is Kishimoto's favorite, so he is the one who is awarded Sakura and her long-suffering love of still waiting at home for the cool drifter guy. But any kind of affection between the two is never ever shown, and now their child might not actually even be theirs.

 

Affection between them would make one the clear winner over the other. And honestly, Sakura was one of Naruto's main goals. Making Sasuke and Sakura have a full-on romance makes Naruto irrelevant.

 

So Sakura looks like Kushina (the manga's high bar of what a loving wife/mother should look like), gets unconditional support from Naruto (who has his hero's identity wrapped up in loving her his whole life), and maintains an unromantic marriage to Sasuke (who is the author's favorite) so that Naruto stays relevant.

 

That's why the relationship messaging is such a mess. Even though the story's over, Kishimoto still can't commit. This weirdo ship-heavy ending — where NH is noticeably absent, there are panels that pre-699 would have been overtly NS, and we're seeing more positive scenes of Sakura than we did the whole last half of the manga — instead of a ninja-related plot is a perfect example of how Kishimoto can't commit to the ships he's slated for the end. 

 

He's ok with Sakura being with Sasuke (because Sasuke was his favorite) but NH falls just as flat in writing/drawing as it does for everyone else who's been following the manga. That's why he's not covering it. 

 

So yeah, I'm taking the long way around, but I completely agree with you - Kishimoto is still writing for NS. And in fact, even in the manga he never stopped. He just tacked on the NH ending. But in this ship-heavy Part 3, Naruto is still coming across as NS to me. Not NH. 

 

It is quite confusing that it has morphed into the ultimate symbol of love.  

 

It was always my understanding that Itachi had used the forehead poke fondly but also with intentional condescension.  It came across as Itachi's way of sidelining Sasuke, placating him with a promise that he'd spend time with him later -- care about his feelings and issues later -- and that he couldn't be a priority until all of Itachi's important work was done.

 

Kishimoto choosing it to be the "loving" gesture Sasuke expressed to Sakura skewed the meaning it had had up to that point.  Except for the fact that Sakura is obviously not Sasuke's priority, and that he isn't willing to spend any time with her until his important work is done -- whatever that might be.

 

Personally, I interpreted the use of the forehead poke between Sasuke and Sakura at the end of the manga to be a cover for the fact that Sakura's forehead had been sacred to Naruto.  Since it was decided that Naruto would be stuck with the deadly dull Hinata, there had to be a way of making it seem as if Sakura's forehead issues and all that foreshadowing were retconned by Sasuke's gesture.

 

There's also the whole nonsense about the Uchiha loving so much and so deeply that it makes them crazy.  They are all so long-suffering, don't you know?  Maybe we're supposed to believe that Sasuke loves Sakura so much he must keep her at arms' length, lest it tear apart his very soul.  

 

Regardless of the sheer stupid factor of it all, I expect SS to be depicted as a justified and solid relationship by the end.  I think it's a mistake to be thinking that it's going to crash and burn.  

 

The fact that it's poorly written, confusing, sloppy, and chock full of ham-fisted attempts at soap opera drama doesn't mean squat.  The damage to the characters and the story was complete in November.

 

This gaiden is just the putrid icing on a rotten cake.

 

 

The forehead poke is a stand-in for real love. And yeah, it's a subtle ret-conning of Naruto's connection with Sakura. So stupid.

 

I agree with everything you've said. I feel like we will get some SS scene, or perhaps him saving her at the last moment, with Naruto looking on smilingly like Hinata after the Pain defeat in Part 2. Something like him being happy to see his two friends together. But nothing more SS than something sweet like a look or even a hug. I don't think Kishi will commit to a kiss. I don't think SS will crash and burn, even though I'd like it to.

 

On another note, if this level of shipping confusion had gone on before the ending, a lot more people would have been in Sakura's camp. If you had Naruto supporting Sakura in words, and Sasuke occasionally putting forth a little effort/action to support her, while Sakura was stuck in the middle, leaning on herself for support in a bad situation, I think there would have been a lot more sympathy for Sakura in choosing the one that loved her completely and unconditionally.

 

Unfortunately, in the manga, every two steps forward she took were immediately followed by three steps back. Either by thinking of Sasuke or crying, or by having it paired with some crap with Hinata doing the same thing. 

 

But if this type of shipping ambiguity happened in the manga — with Naruto and Sasuke having to rescue a strong Sakura — I think fans would have reacted better to her. Instead having doe-eyed Hinata inserted at every opportune moment undermined anything Sakura brought to the story.

[Princess Iris]

Sarada : I am leaving the village


Naruto : Oh, I am not going through this kitten again


source: tumblr

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Yes, exactly. Kishimoto is still writing the same old story he's been writing for 699 chapters. That's why this story is such crazy mixed messaging. He can't let NS go, yet he's not going to go all out and have a consensual mutually-affirming SS lovefest either.  

 

And hello? The panel with Naruto saying "Let's go save your mom!" - Wha??!? Shouldn't this be Sasuke's line? Why is Naruto the one saying it? 

 

The whole thing is a mess. I think ultimately, NH had to be the ending to satisfy the higher powers, that's why it's such a no-show in the manga. It's an SP-driven ship, made by the anime and brought to fulfillment in the movie. But Kishimoto never wanted it.

 

Which leaves the real manga ending NS or SS? And that's why the Gaiden is such mixed messaging. Kishimoto doesn't want to disrespect his main character, who has always chased after Sakura. It's Naruto's whole identity. So he can't show a fully-realized SS. Showing SS in a mutually loving relationship means that Naruto lost (even though he's with Hinata, the one he never wanted) and makes Naruto less of a hero.

 

HOWEVER, Sasuke is Kishimoto's favorite, so he is the one who is awarded Sakura and her long-suffering love of still waiting at home for the cool drifter guy. But any kind of affection between the two is never ever shown, and now their child might not actually even be theirs.

 

Affection between them would make one the clear winner over the other. And honestly, Sakura was one of Naruto's main goals. Making Sasuke and Sakura have a full-on romance makes Naruto irrelevant.

 

So Sakura looks like Kushina (the manga's high bar of what a loving wife/mother should look like), gets unconditional support from Naruto (who has his hero's identity wrapped up in loving her his whole life), and maintains an unromantic marriage to Sasuke (who is the author's favorite) so that Naruto stays relevant.

 

That's why the relationship messaging is such a mess. Even though the story's over, Kishimoto still can't commit. This weirdo ship-heavy ending — where NH is noticeably absent, there are panels that pre-699 would have been overtly NS, and we're seeing more positive scenes of Sakura than we did the whole last half of the manga — instead of a ninja-related plot is a perfect example of how Kishimoto can't commit to the ships he's slated for the end. 

 

He's ok with Sakura being with Sasuke (because Sasuke was his favorite) but NH falls just as flat in writing/drawing as it does for everyone else who's been following the manga. That's why he's not covering it. 

 

So yeah, I'm taking the long way around, but I completely agree with you - Kishimoto is still writing for NS. And in fact, even in the manga he never stopped. He just tacked on the NH ending. But in this ship-heavy Part 3, Naruto is still coming across as NS to me. Not NH. 

 

 

The forehead poke is a stand-in for real love. And yeah, it's a subtle ret-conning of Naruto's connection with Sakura. So stupid.

 

I agree with everything you've said. I feel like we will get some SS scene, or perhaps him saving her at the last moment, with Naruto looking on smilingly like Hinata after the Pain defeat in Part 2. Something like him being happy to see his two friends together. But nothing more SS than something sweet like a look or even a hug. I don't think Kishi will commit to a kiss. I don't think SS will crash and burn, even though I'd like it to.

 

On another note, if this level of shipping confusion had gone on before the ending, a lot more people would have been in Sakura's camp. If you had Naruto supporting Sakura in words, and Sasuke occasionally putting forth a little effort/action to support her, while Sakura was stuck in the middle, leaning on herself for support in a bad situation, I think there would have been a lot more sympathy for Sakura in choosing the one that loved her completely and unconditionally.

 

Unfortunately, in the manga, every two steps forward she took were immediately followed by three steps back. Either by thinking of Sasuke or crying, or by having it paired with some crap with Hinata doing the same thing. 

 

But if this type of shipping ambiguity happened in the manga — with Naruto and Sasuke having to rescue a strong Sakura — I think fans would have reacted better to her. Instead having doe-eyed Hinata inserted at every opportune moment undermined anything Sakura brought to the story.

 

I know whatcha mean, Tricks And babe, you are awesome

[Narufan85]

Yes, exactly. Kishimoto is still writing the same old story he's been writing for 699 chapters. That's why this story is such crazy mixed messaging. He can't let NS go, yet he's not going to go all out and have a consensual mutually-affirming SS lovefest either.  
 
And hello? The panel with Naruto saying "Let's go save your mom!" - Wha??!? Shouldn't this be Sasuke's line? Why is Naruto the one saying it? 
 
The whole thing is a mess. I think ultimately, NH had to be the ending to satisfy the higher powers, that's why it's such a no-show in the manga. It's an SP-driven ship, made by the anime and brought to fulfillment in the movie. But Kishimoto never wanted it.
 
Which leaves the real manga ending NS or SS? And that's why the Gaiden is such mixed messaging. Kishimoto doesn't want to disrespect his main character, who has always chased after Sakura. It's Naruto's whole identity. So he can't show a fully-realized SS. Showing SS in a mutually loving relationship means that Naruto lost (even though he's with Hinata, the one he never wanted) and makes Naruto less of a hero.
 
HOWEVER, Sasuke is Kishimoto's favorite, so he is the one who is awarded Sakura and her long-suffering love of still waiting at home for the cool drifter guy. But any kind of affection between the two is never ever shown, and now their child might not actually even be theirs.
 
Affection between them would make one the clear winner over the other. And honestly, Sakura was one of Naruto's main goals. Making Sasuke and Sakura have a full-on romance makes Naruto irrelevant.
 
So Sakura looks like Kushina (the manga's high bar of what a loving wife/mother should look like), gets unconditional support from Naruto (who has his hero's identity wrapped up in loving her his whole life), and maintains an unromantic marriage to Sasuke (who is the author's favorite) so that Naruto stays relevant.
 
That's why the relationship messaging is such a mess. Even though the story's over, Kishimoto still can't commit. This weirdo ship-heavy ending — where NH is noticeably absent, there are panels that pre-699 would have been overtly NS, and we're seeing more positive scenes of Sakura than we did the whole last half of the manga — instead of a ninja-related plot is a perfect example of how Kishimoto can't commit to the ships he's slated for the end. 
 
He's ok with Sakura being with Sasuke (because Sasuke was his favorite) but NH falls just as flat in writing/drawing as it does for everyone else who's been following the manga. That's why he's not covering it. 
 
So yeah, I'm taking the long way around, but I completely agree with you - Kishimoto is still writing for NS. And in fact, even in the manga he never stopped. He just tacked on the NH ending. But in this ship-heavy Part 3, Naruto is still coming across as NS to me. Not NH. 
 

 
The forehead poke is a stand-in for real love. And yeah, it's a subtle ret-conning of Naruto's connection with Sakura. So stupid.
 
I agree with everything you've said. I feel like we will get some SS scene, or perhaps him saving her at the last moment, with Naruto looking on smilingly like Hinata after the Pain defeat in Part 2. Something like him being happy to see his two friends together. But nothing more SS than something sweet like a look or even a hug. I don't think Kishi will commit to a kiss. I don't think SS will crash and burn, even though I'd like it to.
 
On another note, if this level of shipping confusion had gone on before the ending, a lot more people would have been in Sakura's camp. If you had Naruto supporting Sakura in words, and Sasuke occasionally putting forth a little effort/action to support her, while Sakura was stuck in the middle, leaning on herself for support in a bad situation, I think there would have been a lot more sympathy for Sakura in choosing the one that loved her completely and unconditionally.
 
Unfortunately, in the manga, every two steps forward she took were immediately followed by three steps back. Either by thinking of Sasuke or crying, or by having it paired with some crap with Hinata doing the same thing. 
 
But if this type of shipping ambiguity happened in the manga — with Naruto and Sasuke having to rescue a strong Sakura — I think fans would have reacted better to her. Instead having doe-eyed Hinata inserted at every opportune moment undermined anything Sakura brought to the story.

Can I marry this post?

[Nicholas Wolfwood]

I still want to know when did Sasuke developed the power of crossing between dimensions 

 

and there is the fact that he is still using the power the sage gave him, I wonder though why Naruto isn't using his sage hax power?  I mean, he could fly, bring lost limbs and organs back and do a whole lot of things...surely such power would come in handy right Kishi? Unless...he believed Naruto was too overpowered and retconned the sage hax mode power into the normal bijuu chakra cloak however if he actually did this he is making Naruto effectively weaker than Sasuke...lol Kishi

Sasuke developed the power about the time when Kishi decided his favorite character didn't have quite enough god-like abilities. Again, the absurdity of this guy feeling the necessity of drawing a sword when a 12-year-old girl unexpectedly walks in on him.

 

As for Naruto, he was able to regenerate organs for other people yet his own arm remains bandaged well over a decade after his disappointing, rushed and poorly executed five-chapter TnJ/battle with Sasuke (a good portion of which was filled with retconned "flashbacks" of Naruto and Sasuke secretly rooting for each other and acting like brothers). Yeah, that was worth waiting nearly 700 chapters for. Anyway, Kishi can't seem to decide how powerful to make Naruto because he can't have him outshining Sasuke.

Edited by Nicholas Wolfwood, 19 June 2015 - 02:44 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

I'd like to echo this post. I've posted several times in the past how I was a NH shipper in Part I because honestly, there was some actual stuff you could build on for a real, plausible NH relationship. But I became a NS shipper in Part II because that's what made sense and the development seemed to point in that direction.

 

The problem is that NH and SS were thrown together at the end as some awful asspull. I could present a really plausible path of development for NH to make sense and I suspect if that was canon we'd all be NH shippers.

 

Yeah, it's the only reason I can even still read some NH fanfiction; the decent ones I've read, especially during the time part two was in its latter section, usually start the story off from the very beginning and build things from the ground up (without simply throwing Hinata in at the beginning ala The Last). There have even been ones that start off in latter part two that have been decent and actually create and develop the relationship; all involving both of them developing individually, and actually be talking and interacting on a much more constant and consistent basis, getting to actually know each other, especially things they had no idea about before, and truly understanding each other. If stuff like that had taken place in the manga itself, then I wouldn't have a problem with the pairing taking place at the end as it would've had the amount of interaction and development needed to make it believable....but again, it didn't.

Like, Hinata only knew in general that Naruto was someone who refused to give up when most others didn't simply because of chancing upon him training by himself. That's nice and all, but she still had no idea herself just how or why he was like that nor did she ever try to find out (did Hinata even know that Naruto was a Jinchuriki before the War Arc? It didn't seem like she or most of the others knew when Pein attacked). This was unlike Sakura who, very early in the story, started seeing how wrong she was in her initial thoughts on Naruto. Then, early in the Rescue Gaara arc, learned about Naruto's Jinchuriki status and getting a very brief glimpse of the surface of what the pain he must have gone through because of it. That gets followed by his four-tailed incident on the bridge which gave her a deeper view. As things went on, she'd learn more about and understand more about Naruto's motivation to the point where she even tried to take it upon herself to kill Sasuke herself so Naruto would no longer have to bear the painful burden (both physically and emotionally) of a promise she now saw should not have been made because of how selfish it was.
 

[Gaara's hair]

Can I marry this post?

Are you prepared for the consequences? Are you prepared to have baby posts? If so, you'll have to ask the mother for permission. 

[Yyubie]

Yes, exactly. Kishimoto is still writing the same old story he's been writing for 699 chapters. That's why this story is such crazy mixed messaging. He can't let NS go, yet he's not going to go all out and have a consensual mutually-affirming SS lovefest either.  

 

And hello? The panel with Naruto saying "Let's go save your mom!" - Wha??!? Shouldn't this be Sasuke's line? Why is Naruto the one saying it? 

 

The whole thing is a mess. I think ultimately, NH had to be the ending to satisfy the higher powers, that's why it's such a no-show in the manga. It's an SP-driven ship, made by the anime and brought to fulfillment in the movie. But Kishimoto never wanted it.

 

Which leaves the real manga ending NS or SS? And that's why the Gaiden is such mixed messaging. Kishimoto doesn't want to disrespect his main character, who has always chased after Sakura. It's Naruto's whole identity. So he can't show a fully-realized SS. Showing SS in a mutually loving relationship means that Naruto lost (even though he's with Hinata, the one he never wanted) and makes Naruto less of a hero.

 

HOWEVER, Sasuke is Kishimoto's favorite, so he is the one who is awarded Sakura and her long-suffering love of still waiting at home for the cool drifter guy. But any kind of affection between the two is never ever shown, and now their child might not actually even be theirs.

 

Affection between them would make one the clear winner over the other. And honestly, Sakura was one of Naruto's main goals. Making Sasuke and Sakura have a full-on romance makes Naruto irrelevant.

 

So Sakura looks like Kushina (the manga's high bar of what a loving wife/mother should look like), gets unconditional support from Naruto (who has his hero's identity wrapped up in loving her his whole life), and maintains an unromantic marriage to Sasuke (who is the author's favorite) so that Naruto stays relevant.

 

That's why the relationship messaging is such a mess. Even though the story's over, Kishimoto still can't commit. This weirdo ship-heavy ending — where NH is noticeably absent, there are panels that pre-699 would have been overtly NS, and we're seeing more positive scenes of Sakura than we did the whole last half of the manga — instead of a ninja-related plot is a perfect example of how Kishimoto can't commit to the ships he's slated for the end. 

 

He's ok with Sakura being with Sasuke (because Sasuke was his favorite) but NH falls just as flat in writing/drawing as it does for everyone else who's been following the manga. That's why he's not covering it. 

 

So yeah, I'm taking the long way around, but I completely agree with you - Kishimoto is still writing for NS. And in fact, even in the manga he never stopped. He just tacked on the NH ending. But in this ship-heavy Part 3, Naruto is still coming across as NS to me. Not NH. 

 

 

The forehead poke is a stand-in for real love. And yeah, it's a subtle ret-conning of Naruto's connection with Sakura. So stupid.

 

I agree with everything you've said. I feel like we will get some SS scene, or perhaps him saving her at the last moment, with Naruto looking on smilingly like Hinata after the Pain defeat in Part 2. Something like him being happy to see his two friends together. But nothing more SS than something sweet like a look or even a hug. I don't think Kishi will commit to a kiss. I don't think SS will crash and burn, even though I'd like it to.

 

On another note, if this level of shipping confusion had gone on before the ending, a lot more people would have been in Sakura's camp. If you had Naruto supporting Sakura in words, and Sasuke occasionally putting forth a little effort/action to support her, while Sakura was stuck in the middle, leaning on herself for support in a bad situation, I think there would have been a lot more sympathy for Sakura in choosing the one that loved her completely and unconditionally.

 

Unfortunately, in the manga, every two steps forward she took were immediately followed by three steps back. Either by thinking of Sasuke or crying, or by having it paired with some crap with Hinata doing the same thing. 

 

But if this type of shipping ambiguity happened in the manga — with Naruto and Sasuke having to rescue a strong Sakura — I think fans would have reacted better to her. Instead having doe-eyed Hinata inserted at every opportune moment undermined anything Sakura brought to the story.

Why SP favored and praised hinata so much, do you think its because her voice acting is Nana Mizuki a top singer and all of SP crew fall in love with her? or it is because hinata character have alot of feature that makes many man droolling?

 

And about sasuke is kishi favorite, at first season i don't really see this, just look at when sasuke fights with garaa, he lose badly and humiliated i might add. Kishi starting to make sasuke godlike in the beginning of part 2, he show the difference between him to both naruto and sakura, i mean think about it, they all are train under legendary sannin, it is when naruto sakura and sai under yamato meet again with sasuke for the first time in orochimaru hideout at the beginning of shippuden, then you clearly see that sasuke getting alot of love alot of power up and buff. I think its because kishi write sasuke based on his brother, he said it right on one of his interview he write sasuke based on his brother.

 

By the way isn't there suppose to be interview every week [or month] on naruto? before naruto ending theres alot kishi interview right? why theres none now? i really want to know about kishi interview about this gaiden, why theres no more interview? last time i hear/read kishi interview is after the last premiere.

[Broken Figurine]

Let's even consider that SasuSaku do have the off-screen marriage that "my wife" and "my husband" imply. Why would Sakura not say that they've kissed? That is the strangest aversion to a child's question, which is continuously a problem Sakura has when talking about her marriage. If they are husband and wife for what reason does she have to dodge questions with Sarada? I understand that if Sarada is not her biological daughter, she might fumble with explaining the circumstances of her birth such as why there'd be no baby pictures... but questions about Sasuke and their relationship?

 

Didn't Sasuke and Sakura, I don't know... date? In the gaiden with Kiba we saw Naruto and Hinata walking together; did Sasuke and Sakura do something similar? That they'd have gotten married and had a marriage without kissing, or intimacy, is really difficult to imagine and then be called 'happily married'. There is a reason why Sarada asked about 'kissing' because even she at a young age knows that it's what people in love do. Forehead pokes are not exclusively for people in a romantic relationship, otherwise Sarada would not have received one. She wanted to know about her parents in love.

 

I think in a way we're like Sarada when it comes to this pairing; we're asking for love, we're asking for the reasonable things expected out of a pairing, but what we're getting is ambiguity while still being assured that they're "husband and wife". We know that Sasuke has been gone for twelve years, so there's a big part of their marriage that's missing, but something had to come before it. There had to be a reason why they're together... but every time a question gets dodged that's becoming less and less clear... because there should be no reason why there isn't a clear answer unless that answer is an awkward "No, we never kissed,"

 

So if they are together and truly in love... why hide it? If they're not together, then why lie? It's so confusing. I hope something clears up in the next two chapters. 

What I do think works in this chapter is that Sarada acknowledges she still loves her mother. The flashback between Sakura and Sarada tells me that Sakura did care about her, and take care of her--and in the twelve years that they've been together Sarada certainly loved Sakura. Naruto might say time and such are not important and feelings are real, but that's sort of jumbled. Yes, it's Sarada's love for the person who she considers her mother that matters and not that they're not blood related, but that didn't come from nowhere. It came from time and affection. Sakura watching over Sarada when she was sick and sleeping tells me that it wasn't mere obligation that Sakura 'acted' like a parent, but loved her daughter like one. That matters. The fact that Sasuke is her blood-related father, but hasn't been around to love and care for her is a problem and hence why Sarada was constantly asking about him.

 

Sidenote:
Naruto never mentions anything like "but Sakura was pregnant how could this be?!" meaning that he wasn't around for the nine months that would have been telling, or for the birth of his two best friends' first child. How detached was he from their lives? The only thing I could imagine was that Sasuke and Sakura were gone away from the village for a long time, and then came back with a baby like yup this is ours. We had her out there, in the big wide world...
 

SasuSaku has to be the most confusing pairing to become canon. 

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Something I have been wondering since the spin off started is what was it that caused Sarada to start doubting that Sakura was her mother? that was a missed opportunity for this chapter