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[pharix]

Lol it's ok.

@Chatte: That translation was false. It's Scarlet Spring Month.

jeez, that was way off lol

[TouKen4Life3g]

jeez, that was way off lol

lol. But it's ok because it said the Kanji can be mistaken if translated literal or something like that.

[Hanabi]

No it was completely unnecessary, as were most of the side stories and fillers. That's not personal perference or opinion. The way stories are constructed is that all scenes are stepping stones to the final resolution. They all contribute a piece, and if you were to work from the end backwards it the story would unravel like one long unbreaking thread. (Or one of Kushina's hairs!) Each piece moves you closer even in a some small way, and even if it appears to go backwards a bit. It still can not be omitted or replaced. 
 
The litmus test for Naruto is exactly how much of the war arc was necessary to bring Naruto and Sasuke to their final battle? How many characters contributed to the climax and resolution? 
 
Could Naruto and Sasuke still have had their battle if there hadn't been a war? Yes. Thus, in terms of a good story construction, there didn't need to be a war. Their final battle was not dependent on winning or losing the war. 
 
The war arc was built as an accordian to expand with needless character backgrounds and side stories to fill up time. Then, when it was time for the final battle, the rest were forgotten. Nothing that happened in the war arc came into play in the final penultimate series-long climax. Except perhaps for the presence of Kaguya transporting them to different zones and weakening them a bit. (However even her as the ultimate villain was a waste because there was no weight to her as a villain. No one knew about her so no one cared. You knew Pain and feared him. You knew Madara and feared him. Cagey? Eh.) In the end the two fought in a glorified schoolyard brawl. It could have and would have happened anywhere. There was nothing special about when it happened. And it had nothing to do with the closure of the war. It was just a personal battle for Naruto, and it meant nothing to anyone else in the shinobi world.
 
So no, the war arc wasn't necessary to the story or the ending. It was just filler. And it sucked.
 
edit: and what sucks worse than it being pointless is the fact that some of the storylines were left hanging in the war arc, apparently never to be resolved. Hello, anyone seen Yamato??

I disagree with that. The war arc did touch on the mystery of bijuu and jins, and brought the five villages to work as a united force, which onoki and madara commented on.

The sucky part is when kishi clearly did not plan ahead.. like the op kurama vs 7 bijuu... overglorification of uchiha obito sob story. .. or the funny death of villain boss madara and retcon kaguya

Edited by Hanabi, 27 March 2015 - 01:03 PM.

[WhyDoIWatch]

I disagree with that. The war arc did touch on the myster of bijuu and jins, and brought the five villages to work as a united force, which onoki and madara commented on. The sucky part is when kishi clearly did not plan ahead.. like the op kurama vs 7 bijuu... or the funny death of villain boss madara and retcon kaguya

Kaguya just sucks, she's the second worst villain in Naruto behind Obito.

[Liu bie]

Wow, so its one month away from Kishi's BS spin off  Anyways, tomorrow should be a much happier day for NS fans since before Nov 5th came and destroyed our pairing. It's one day away from the very first spoilers of Kwon19's NS Part 3 doujin spin off. I'm totally stoked    

 

Just a question. Did she gave a title to the doujin or not?

Probably the 28th she will give it.

[tricksie]

 

I have a question. Should we make separate chapter discussion threads when  April 3rd is published like we've done on every Naruto manga update, or do we all keep it in one thread?

 

Yes, we'll probably keep the separate chapter thread, just like we used to do for the mangas. That works well, so lets stick with it. And this thread will still be here for general discussion and comparison (and rage!), while in depth conversations about the new generation or the character can be contained in the chapter threads.

 

That way, if people want to steer clear of the new chapters and continue talking about Naruto and NS, they don't have to be bombarded with chatter about the next gen stuff.

 

That's the biggest reason not to just dump it all in one thread — that we are first and foremost an NS site. So we need to make sure there are areas that are a safe haven for NS discussion, along with threads where others can go in-depth about NH and their spawn.

[Liu bie]

Not the chapter, not the episode deserve a place, but  if it is  for the order of the forum, I cannot say anything.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Kaguya just sucks, she's the second worst villain in Naruto behind Obito.

Don't like Obito huh? I have to say, I wished he was a good guy or at least a guy who was 100% controlled by Madara, instead of being a villain with his own conscious. It is strange that Tobi and Obito really felt like two different characters.

[rocci]

Don't like Obito huh? I have to say, I wished he was a good guy or at least a guy who was 100% controlled by Madara, instead of being a villain with his own conscious. It is strange that Tobi and Obito really felt like two different characters.

Tobi is the mask.
Tobi has three persona.
Tobi is good boy.
Tobi is madara.
Tobi is nobody.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Tobi is the mask.
Tobi has three persona.
Tobi is good boy.
Tobi is madara.
Tobi is nobody.

I didn't mind the "disguise" edition (comedy), but then he went serious mode. Now, well, it's all different.

Say, where did that fan go?

[Nar123]

I disagree with that. The war arc did touch on the mystery of bijuu and jins, and brought the five villages to work as a united force, which onoki and madara commented on.

The sucky part is when kishi clearly did not plan ahead.. like the op kurama vs 7 bijuu... overglorification of uchiha obito sob story. .. or the funny death of villain boss madara and retcon kaguya

The war arc was irrelevant

 

The bad of what happened in this arc surpasses the good

Not only it was a huge clusterkitten of events, but kishi failed to rise up the challenge of the new complex themes he decided to explore and the ending (not pairing wise) was predictable ( Naruto will become hokage, "save" Sasuek etc) , not only this but this arc also introduces new things that completely ruined plot points and themes from before

 

The 5 nations uniting into one was a dumb move in my opinion, it felt easy and cheap for them to unite just because of a common threat and thanks to that the peace was eventually achieved, if we look like that then Obito was the one responsible for bringing the peace since he united everyone against him

 

I felt it would be better that if Kishimoto wanted to do a war arc then he had better go really all out, no BS ressurection, politic divergence between the nations, battles between shinobis from different countries etc. 

 

For example it was hinted that the Tobi had the control of the mist before wasn't it? Couldn't Kishi use this somehow? Make the mist fall over to Tobi to control for example. Make others countries go to Tobi's side, this kind of thing  

The alliance should be a unique thing for perharps the end of the story, Naruto could have been the one to propose it , it would probably help bring closure to the whole hatred between the countries thing.

 

I felt the war arc was "all star" arc, kishi tried to make everyone shine ( even those who were already dead) but in the end everything felt lackluster

Edited by Nar123, 27 March 2015 - 02:03 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

The bad lazy guys win. Always.

In the NARUTO manga Hinata won, while the hard working main character was abandoned by the author.

In the anime world, SP won while the ideas of a talented editor Yahagi was being discarded like trash.

In the fandom world, the NH Fans who were harassing the other fans won while the core fans who actually cared for the story were being used like the money making pets they are.

That's about the only thing I learned from this manga.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 27 March 2015 - 02:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The war arc was irrelevant
 
The bad of what happened in this arc surpasses the good
Not only it was a huge clusterkitten of events, but kishi failed to rise up the challenge of the new complex themes he decided to explore and the ending (not pairing wise) was predictable ( Naruto will become hokage, "save" Sasuek etc) , not only this but this arc also introduces new things that completely ruined plot points and themes from before
 
The 5 nations uniting into one was a dumb move in my opinion, it felt easy and cheap for them to unite just because of a common threat and thanks to that the peace was eventually achieved, if we look like that then Obito was the one responsible for bringing the peace since he united everyone against him
 
I felt it would be better that if Kishimoto wanted to do a war arc then he had better go really all out, no BS ressurection, politic divergence between the nations, battles between shinobis from different countries etc. 
 
For example it was hinted that the Tobi had the control of the mist before wasn't it? Couldn't Kishi use this somehow? Make the mist fall over to Tobi to control for example. Make others countries go to Tobi's side, this kind of thing  
The alliance should be a unique thing for perharps the end of the story, Naruto could have been the one to propose it , it would probably help bring closure to the whole hatred between the countries thing.
 
I felt the war arc was "all star" arc, kishi tried to make everyone shine ( even those who were already dead) but in the end everything felt lackluster

I still think the war would have happened if Tobi didn't declare but it would have been among themselves, especially how one used Akatsuki, the other just have a Kage who is too rash, Danzou was like favoritism until they can read chakra connection somehow (wasn't aware you can read that much detail), and so on. But nope, declare war, brought peace, and make everyone wonder when HxH coming back.

[Hanabi]

The war arc was irrelevant

 

The bad of what happened in this arc surpasses the good

Not only it was a huge clusterkitten of events, but kishi failed to rise up the challenge of the new complex themes he decided to explore and the ending (not pairing wise) was predictable ( Naruto will become hokage, "save" Sasuek etc) , not only this but this arc also introduces new things that completely ruined plot points and themes from before

 

The 5 nations uniting into one was a dumb move in my opinion, it felt easy and cheap for them to unite just because of a common threat and thanks to that the peace was eventually achieved, if we look like that then Obito was the one responsible for bringing the peace since he united everyone against him

 

I felt it would be better that if Kishimoto wanted to do a war arc then he had better go really all out, no BS ressurection, politic divergence between the nations, battles between shinobis from different countries etc. 

 

For example it was hinted that the Tobi had the control of the mist before wasn't it? Couldn't Kishi use this somehow? Make the mist fall over to Tobi to control for example. Make others countries go to Tobi's side, this kind of thing  

The alliance should be a unique thing for perharps the end of the story, Naruto could have been the one to propose it , it would probably help bring closure to the whole hatred between the countries thing.

 

I felt the war arc was "all star" arc, kishi tried to make everyone shine ( even those who were already dead) but in the end everything felt lackluster

nobody would disagree with the fact that the war arc is a clusterkitten of events, but i thought the 5 nations overcoming their differences (no matter how flimsy the execution is) counts as some sort of story development.

 

the dumb part is kishi just overglorified everything with the uchiha name and dragged the story down.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I still think the war would have happened if Tobi didn't declare but it would have been among themselves, especially how one used Akatsuki, the other just have a Kage who is too rash, Danzou was like favoritism until they can read chakra connection somehow (wasn't aware you can read that much detail), and so on. But nope, declare war, brought peace, and make everyone wonder when HxH coming back.

 

Exactly, Sparda, then we got A with his distrustful war-mongering attitude with his storing weapons and Jutsu and Onoki with his cynicism due to his age and all. So either of those three would have made the war happen as a possibility due to their ideologies being twisted to an extent.

[WhyDoIWatch]

Don't like Obito huh? I have to say, I wished he was a good guy or at least a guy who was 100% controlled by Madara, instead of being a villain with his own conscious. It is strange that Tobi and Obito really felt like two different characters.

He should have stayed dead under those boulders, he really sucked and caused me to drop the manga for a period .

Besides it doesn't matter if he was controlled by Madara because he went back to him...

[WhyDoIWatch]

The bad lazy guys win. Always.

In the NARUTO manga Hinata won, while the hard working main character was abandoned by the author.

In the anime world, SP won while the ideas of a talented editor Yahagi was being discarded like trash.

In the fandom world, the NH Fans who were harassing the other fans won while the core fans who actually cared for the story were being used like the money making pets they are.

That's about the only thing I learned from this manga.

 

Don't agree, if your going by love interest (I'm just assuming), Hinata and Sakura would be more hardworking as they both did more for the sake of their love interest, Naruto barely tried to get Sakura besides some date attempts and Kishi held him back from confessing due to him not keeping his promise

The war arc was irrelevant

 

The bad of what happened in this arc surpasses the good

Not only it was a huge clusterkitten of events, but kishi failed to rise up the challenge of the new complex themes he decided to explore and the ending (not pairing wise) was predictable ( Naruto will become hokage, "save" Sasuek etc) , not only this but this arc also introduces new things that completely ruined plot points and themes from before

 

The 5 nations uniting into one was a dumb move in my opinion, it felt easy and cheap for them to unite just because of a common threat and thanks to that the peace was eventually achieved, if we look like that then Obito was the one responsible for bringing the peace since he united everyone against him

 

I felt it would be better that if Kishimoto wanted to do a war arc then he had better go really all out, no BS ressurection, politic divergence between the nations, battles between shinobis from different countries etc. 

 

For example it was hinted that the Tobi had the control of the mist before wasn't it? Couldn't Kishi use this somehow? Make the mist fall over to Tobi to control for example. Make others countries go to Tobi's side, this kind of thing  

The alliance should be a unique thing for perharps the end of the story, Naruto could have been the one to propose it , it would probably help bring closure to the whole hatred between the countries thing.

 

I felt the war arc was "all star" arc, kishi tried to make everyone shine ( even those who were already dead) but in the end everything felt lackluster

I didn't mind Edo Tensei but the execution was terrible, most of them were made into canon fodder, their fights mostly sucked, and some people didn't meet others (Jugo/Kimimaro, Suigestu/Mangetsu).

Edited by WhyDoIWatch, 27 March 2015 - 02:58 PM.

[ichigo500]

Don't like Obito huh? I have to say, I wished he was a good guy or at least a guy who was 100% controlled by Madara, instead of being a villain with his own conscious. It is strange that Tobi and Obito really felt like two different characters.

I know right ? they seemed to be two completely different characters, as if they never were the same person.

 

Tobi is the mask.
Tobi has three persona.
Tobi is good boy.
Tobi is madara.
Tobi is nobody.

I really preferred tobi the good boy ! A crazy evil character would have been really interesting, just like...the Joker or something like this. Someone really evil, someone that even a TNJ would have no effect on him...maybe like Orochimaru. Once again, I have to say that Orochi-kun was the best evil guy in that series (Along with Pain) 

[Nar123]

nobody would disagree with the fact that the war arc is a clusterkitten of events, but i thought the 5 nations overcoming their differences (no matter how flimsy the execution is) counts as some sort of story development.

 

the dumb part is kishi just overglorified everything with the uchiha name and dragged the story down.

 

It counts as story development, but its bad because the reason for this story development was not good ("Madara" declaring war and every Kage staying together cause it will be easier to fight him")

 

They united themselves against a common threat, not because they recognized errors in how they behaved past or things like that

This is why I said it would be better for the united alliance thing to be at the end only, to show progress in relation of how the world was before, even better if this was brought up thanks to Naruto's help

 An all out war between villages would also make Sasuke's point more clear and real. He claimed the kages were the ones who were to blame for the system failure, but well by that point all the kages were already united working together. Imagine how more impactant would be if Sasuke's point actually made sense? If the 4th ninja war was created thanks to Tobi's manipulation on the selfish wishes of some kages for example? This would make the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke a lot better, it would've added more depth to it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't mind Edo Tensei but the execution was terrible, most of them were made into canon fodder, their fights mostly sucked, and some people didn't meet others (Jugo/Kimimaro, Suigestu/Mangetsu).

 

Agree, it was a cool jutsu at the beginning

But at the end it lost its magic and just became a huge fodder generator

 

 

I know right ? they seemed to be two completely different characters, as if they never were the same person.

 

I really preferred tobi the good boy ! A crazy evil character would have been really interesting, just like...the Joker or something like this. Someone really evil, someone that even a TNJ would have no effect on him...maybe like Orochimaru. Once again, I have to say that Orochi-kun was the best evil guy in that series (Along with Pain) 

 

Tobi was a nice character, He was one of my favorite before he was screwed up by the story

Edited by Nar123, 27 March 2015 - 03:20 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Don't agree, if your going by love interest (I'm just assuming), Hinata and Sakura would be more hardworking as they both did more for the sake of their love interest, Naruto barely tried to get Sakura besides some date attempts and Kishi held him back from confessing due to him not keeping his promise

I didn't mind Edo Tensei but the execution was terrible, most of them were made into canon fodder, their fights mostly sucked, and some people didn't meet others (Jugo/Kimimaro, Suigestu/Mangetsu).

Hinata and Sakura being more hardworking in love than Naruto and Naruto barely trying? What made you say that?

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 27 March 2015 - 03:20 PM.