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[luffyq1]

Hey guys, sorry it's been a while.

 

So it seems as if I've missed a lot in my absence. I'm currently in HK on holiday and using my spare time to write so I haven't had a whole lot of time to visit the site and keep up to date on the latest developments that have spawned from the Naruto fiasco but I have heard of the leak. Still can't bring myself to watch the movie. I guess I liken what I'm feeling to a wound that you thought time would heal but didn't and now you're left with a scar and the constant pain brought about when you touch it. Don't know if I have enough tolerance to go through that.

 

Am I any closer to my goal of fixing this mess? Yeah... I guess I am. Every single word that I write down is one step closer to that goal (to reiterate it is my goal to buy out control of SP and make quite a few changes -- not easy but certainly not impossible).

 

I guess my real question is, to those that have watched the film, was it painful to watch? I know that The Last in itself is so ridiculous that it's easy to laugh at and such but is it painful in the fact that it constantly reminds you how great a pairing NS was. I don't know if the answer will make me consider watching the movie for the hell of it but I am curious.

 

Also, I saw on Chatte's facebook a while back that there was an interview posted of another mangaka who "may've" said something about hoping the ending was a genjutsu/IT or something. Was that translated? (Link to said article is here)

 

Thanks again!

welcome back appelsauceful! here are the reviews from two of our members who were brave enough to watch that abomination.

 

@Ryo

Naruto The Last: Thoughts

Naruto The Last: Thoughts
-Case in point, Kishimoto was right. He was completely right that you do not have to read the manga to understand this movie at all, since it basically retcons everything that ever happened in the manga.
-The opening that showed Kaguya, Hamura and the others were nice, I'll give them that much.
-Naruto's suddenly this popular guy who all the fan girls want to get with now. Sasuke, much?
-Why is Hinata still trying to tell Naruto her feelings for him? Did she not do that during the Pein arc?
-The fact that Sakura is the person giving Hinata love advice, when she's the one chasing around a guy that has literally tried to skewer her more than once is hilarious.
-Why did the Third Hokage keep Kushina's scarf away from Naruto? Pretty sure he would have loved to have that during the time when he was the most hated person in the village.
-Hinata getting bullied is pretty stupid, since I'm pretty sure she would have had a guard or somebody with her in the actual canon material.
-Naruto performing the Shadow clone jutsu before he even read the forbidden scroll is retarded.
-Hinata having this much trouble on whether she should give Naruto a scarf or not is incredibly pathetic.
-Hinata being jealous of fangirls is so OOC, like when has she ever been portrayed as somebody who gets jealous like that? The fact that she's jealous over a scarf made by Naruto's own mother is incredibly sad.
-Sakura telling Hinata that they need to support each other is laughable too, since it's obvious that Sasuke still causes her much pain and suffering.
-Toneri has got to be the worst filler villain ever, since he only exists to further Naruto and Hinata's forced love.
-Is Hinata even a ninja? Why is she hanging on for dear life with a scarf when she can run on walls.
-The whole mission squad is dumb, since Team 8(Hinata, Kiba, and Shino) are a team actually based on tracking.
-Hinata having to be protected by Naruto from literally everything shows just how much she isn't meant for the role of heroine.
-The genjutsu scene between Naruto and Hinata is stupid, since it only guilt trips Naruto into love Hinata. Even more ironic that they have to use Sakura in it.
-Why is Iruka asking the academy students who they would want to spend the end of the world with? Their kittening ninjas!
-Toneri just asking Hinata to marry him so that she could save her sister is creepy as kitten.
-I had to cringe at Hinata drinking water from Naruto's hand, since I was completely disgusted with that moment.
-I like how Hinata lampshades the fact that she's a horrible sister since she's knitting a scarf while Hanabi is somewhere with her eyes gouged out.
-Naruto became the classic tsundere with his confession, which was extremely dumb and unoriginal.
-The whole NaruHina parting moment was so pathetic on Naruto's part.
-Hinata basically being worshipped by everyone and being called Byakugan goddess makes this movie seem like Studio Pierrot's wet dream.
-Hinata getting the Hamura powers and making her stronger than both Naruto and Sasuke really makes me question the validity of this film.
-Shikamaru telling Naruto that he should give up on Hokage if he's going to give up on a girl is ironic, since Naruto did the same thing with Sakura.
-Sakura having to give Naruto romantic advice is completely ironic, given who she loves.
-Kishimoto basically retconning Naruto's feelings for Sakura, and making it seem like it was only for rivalry purposes turns Naruto into a douchebag.
-Sakura's lines about a woman's heart never being able to change is freaking sexist as kitten.
-The whole Naruto saving Sakura from falling off the bird was nice, but heartbreaking for me since they won't ever be able to interact that naturally with each other ever again.
-The small fight scenes were lame.
-ToneHina cookie scene was very suggestive. Yuck.
-It's sad that NH had to copy NaruSasu's combo attack twice in one movie.
-Naruto and the gang just popping up on the moon, and it not being explained once whatsoever how they can actually breathe in space cracked me up so much.
-Kurama drawing on the moon was cute, even though it doesn't fit in with Chapter 700, since he's still sleeping in that chapter.
-Sasuke and Kakashi's role in the movie were so small that can literally be counted on one finger. I feel sorry for the people that wasted their money because they though those two would have larger roles.
-Hate how Tony basically became Sasuke at the end of the movie, and how he's atoning for his sins by living in the moon.
-The NH running through the little moons and showing their past selves was so bland as kitten.
-The NH kiss was even more cliche. Was this ET, or was it Sailor Moon?
-The credits had me dying from all the people there who actually supported NaruSaku now supporting NaruHina.
-Sakura's fake smile had me dying.
-The end scene with Bolt and Himawari I was honestly indifferent too. Liked how they tried to portray Naruto as a good father, when that's obviously not the case in Chapter 700.
-Hinata's still knitting a scarf. No idea why...
-How are Bolt and Himawari even twins? Wasn't Bolt in the academy while sunflower was hanging out with her mother.
-Hinata has short hair because???
-Sasuke not showing up to his best friend/brothers wedding make the whole duration of Shippuden seem pointless, since him and Naruto never talk to each other at all during this movie.
-Why is technology even more advanced than what we have as of right now?
-Why is Naruto so emotionally retarded that he can't tell the difference between love for ramen and love for an actual person?
-This movie explains nothing, and makes the whole Naruto franchise even more ridiculous.

All in all, I think this movie majorly sucks. Nice animation, cliche romance, OOC behavior from pretty much every character. This movie tells me that Hinata is the most important person in Naruto's life, while people like Iruka, Sasuke, Sakura, Jiraiya and the others are put on the back burner. Hinata's suddenly the main character now. Kishimoto lied when he said the ending would be conclusive. The fact that Kishimoto doesn't even know how Sasuke and Sakura got together tells how much he actually gives a kitten about that pairing. I give all my condolences to Junko, who had to sit through the catastrophe.

Hopefully this is good enough 

 

 

 

           

 

Ugh...

See.... this movie is only enjoyable to fangirls who love shojo (thus loving the romance, no matter how cheesy. (Romance is juicy stuff, especially when it comes to a shonen where it's not a main focus.) You can hear the fangirls throughout the whole movie, especially when the kids show up at the end), beta-males/fanboys of Hinata's VA (or Hinata's character). The rest of the people who watched it were either the ones tricked with the advertising or casual fans who went just to see the last movie (which isn't the last, so guess they were tricked as well). It is incredibly hard to call anyone a Naruto fan if they don't fit any of the groups above, because Hinata is the star of this film. The movie does nothing for Naruto's story, nor does it give any closure whatsoever to this 15 year old story. In fact, it degrades it!

 

The whole movie revolves around Hinata, literally. A side character with little importance to the overall plot, and frankly, to Naruto. The plot of this movie cannot stand without Hinata at all. She's always at the center of attention, almost every single plot-line introduced throughout this movie involves her. Kushina's scarf? It was introduced for the sake of it creating conflict between Hinata, her scarf troubles and her feelings for Naruto. Toneri? Introduced as a villain wanting to marry Hinata specifically for no apparent reason. Though they disguised this main fact by creating the sage conflict. Hanabi being kidnapped? For the sake of Hinata tagging along the mission, developing Naruto and Hinata's relationship, and causing conflict between the villain and Hinata. Genjutsu trap? For the sake of Naruto (how he came to dream about Hinata's memories when Sai dreamed about his brother is beyond me) witnessing memories of Hinata's feelings for him and him falling in love with her. Hinata and Naruto separated from the rest all the time? For the sake of Naruto falling in love with Hinata. Hinata's scarf? To further deepen the bond between Naruto and Hinata, and also to serve as a major plot point. I could go on and on, but you get the jist of it.

 

Almost every scene that happens serves as a catalyst to further develop the plot-lines involving her. Someone mentioned to me that the way this movie is set up is the same as the third shippuden movie. Well, they're completely wrong. The third shippuden movie had many different focuses. We have a plot-line that's based on Kakashi, but Kakashi isn't the only main focus.  Naruto is, along with Team 7, the rookies, the village, the kages etc. We get background on everybody and their pasts that correlate with the plot. This movie gave everyone their deserved screentime. Shikamaru, Sakura, Sai, Tsunade, Ino, Gaara, Shino, Hinata, Kiba... you name it. Everyone was involved with the crisis between Kakashi and Hiruko and the movie displayed to us the messages shown throughout the manga. The Last DID NOT. What messages did this movie show us? A movie that's supposed to give closure to this story? This movie is completely different from the third shippuden movie. 

 

Not only that, but we have characters who're being used for sake of helping Hinata's plot-lines. We get absolutely nothing about the pasts of the characters at all, nothing about bonds (which should be EMPHASIZED in a movie giving closure to this story!!), just them being used for the sake of the plot. Every other Naruto movie is like that, but this one isn't! It's clear that the animation studio picked traits from the characters that they could use but then discard parts of the character that conflicted with Hinata's plot-lines. Example: Naruto's feelings for Sakura were only a rivalry. Sakura stating how a girls feelings can NEVER change. Funny how they used the MC's love interest as cupid for Hinata's love story. Also funny how all these characters focused so much on Hinata too. Basically the supporting characters helping out the main character, Hinata lol. See? :

 

Shikamaru - "Hinata! Can you see anything?" (x 5 or 6 during the mission. A tracking mission with only 1 tracker that wasn't supposed to go in the first place. Logic? What's that?)

Sakura - "If you leave Hinata again, you'll get a taste of my fists" 

Naruto - "Hinata!!" x100 

Toneri - "Hinata, will you knit me a scarf?"

Toneri - "Damn it. So you were knitting this for him and not me?" (Toneri destroys the scarf, which she reacts to in shock. Sakura notices the ripped scarf when she arrives in the room (she and sai rescue Hanabi). Naruto asks for the ripped scarf later on and is holding onto it when he fights Toneri.)

Hinata - "Naruto-kun, please accept my feelings."

Sai - "You kept groaning her name. Hinata, Hinata."

Sakura - "A girls feelings can never change. Never."

Hamura - "Only you can destroy the Tenseigan, Byakugan Princess"

Hamura - "Do not let the world my elder brother created come to an end" (To Hinata) (This scene is serves as the base of the conflict between Toneri and Hinata, leading to him getting angry at her and controlling her so she will obey him)

Naruto - "Hinata!! What did you do? Give Hinata back!"

 

ahh, and my favourite one...

 

Naruto (DURING THE TONERI FIGHT. THIS IS DURING THE FINAL PUNCH) - (This is after Toneri tells him to give up during the battle): "Like I'd give up. It takes time to knit a scarf, the deeper the feelings you want to convey, the longer io takes to knit. To convey one's feelings, it takes much much more time. That's why, I can't let it end so easily!"

 

Even the kittening villain was a mess, he was just a plot device for Naruhina.

 

Just... stop. This movie just proves how much of a shojo this series has become and how the animation studio were trying to bank in on Nana's fanbase etc. This movie is for shojo fangirls, NH fans, Nana Mizuki/Hinata fanboys, beta-males and casual fans who want to see "the last" movie. Honestly, this movie is a Hinata-wank fest disguised as a Naruto movie, that's it...just call it Hinata-hime: The Movie, because that's all it is. No doubt about it. I could go on as to why the kitten Sasuke was missing and the rest of the BS this movie contains, but I have university papers to write so I can't be screwing up my hands. Sorry, I've been ranting non-stop all over this forum, so I come off as annoying, but I just needed to get this bit off my chest. Ignore me  

 

[rocci]

I seen it in an interview, when I find it, I'll post it in this thread.

Thanks.

[Chatte]

 

Welcome back !  You lost a lot of things indeed 

 

Don't know about the article...is it true Chatte??

The interview yes, not the translation though. :) I translated it with GT and seemed to be that way. We have the translation somewhere around here as well. I will post it after I find it.

[Hanabi]

the last nardo listening to sakura lol

does anybody remember the 3rd genjutsu where nardo stands behind a pole and watch hina and saku talk about "bla bla scarf bla bla if it's you it'll be fine bla bla". nardo looks so dejected in that scene.. it looks like he still love saku and he listen to whatever she say.. even though it hurts him 

[TerrorKing]

I wonder if Kishimoto enjoyed his career as a mangaka? I ask because I also wonder how much longer it will last. Let's face it. We won't buy any of his stuff because he burned us so bad, and ruined his own series for reasons that still aren't 100% confirmed (or at least there is a degree of uncertainty floating around). The people satisfied with his crap aren't guaranteed to buy his stuff, because a lot of them were seemingly only interested in seeing Hinata get what she "deserved" or wanting to see Sakura and Sasuke get together. They may not even like his new stuff. People who were never interested in Naruto in the first place may not because he's the "Naruto guy" (which may grant him a cursory glance to see what he's doing now, but beyond that I don't know). He may grab a few people who are unfamiliar with his work, but for how long? People are fickle, and will drop a manga when it starts to lose interest to them, so chances are that a few of them will go over time too.

 

Things could even be bleak if he decides to redo the ending, or if this turns out to be part of some grandiose master plan. If he decides to redo the ending, he risks pissing off the people happy with what they've got, and there's no guarantee that we will invest in it because of all that he has done via the ending, movie, interviews etc. It would seem like a cash grab or a pity ending. If it's part of some grand troll and a true ending is incoming, the aforementioned risks happening also, and there would be additional hurt for putting people that obviously care about the characters, series and whatnot through this false ending when it really didn't need to happen in the first place.

 

For example, although I admit that I would like to see a revamped ending, where everything is corrected, it makes story sense and NaruSaku happens as was foreshadowed, is there a guarantee that I would buy it? No. He made me feel like an idiot, made me feel like I'd wasted my money, and made me regret investing in the series, it's characters and their trials and tribulations. I'm still disappointed and frustrated, and may be for some time should the thought of Naruto cross my mind, for all I know. Part of me is a little concerned (or rather, I should say "questions") that should such a thing happen, I'll crumble and say "all is forgiven", but I truthfully don't know what my reaction would be until/unless it happened/happens. I'd like to believe that I wouldn't bend quite so easily. 

 

I admit that I don't really know the ins and outs of being a mangaka, or how the manga industry works, but I don't imagine it being sunshine and lollipops for one Masashi Kishimoto in the not too distant future. I don't think it can be argued that he has put himself into a very difficult position.

Out of likes.

 

I agree 100%. I don't think Kishi will ever be able to create another series like Naruto and maybe he's not looking to, but even so he's already shown what kind of a person he is. That he will purposefully mislead people in ways that don't even make sense and that he will disregard established canon all for the sake of fulfilling the wishes of a side character. Then there's his frankly twisted views on love as well as his downright sexist views on how a woman can never move on from her first love or that all guys are bumbling idiots whose feelings don't matter. 

 

I used to be one of Kishi's staunchest defenders. I had faith that Kishi knew what he was doing. His execustion might have been clumsy, but I was sure that he would give us a coherent ending that made sure to give every character a fulfilling ending. What I instead got was an advertisement for part 3 and the message that nothing matters until the very end. It doesn't matter if a pairing has been carefully build up for 15 years. If Kishi says it's a red herring, then it's a red herring. It doesn't matter that Sasuke has never been shown to care for Sakura as anything more than a teammate or a sister, because now he does, so shut up.

 

As I've said before, either Kishi is one of the worst writers ever he's lying through his teeth. If it's the former, then I must say that there's a determination to his awfulness that I find kinda admirable. If it's the latter, then I hope he will live out the rest of his life in shame.

 

Could this be a troll? No, I don't think so, but if it is then what is the purpose? Does he think that strong love = stronger hate = even stronger love? Hate to break it to you Kishi but not everyone is like the Uchiha.

 

As for whether the ending could be changed, I find that highly unlikely That would only happen if things get really bad. Would I be interested? Yes, but only to see Kishi try to explain away all this BS. 

 

I wouldn't immediately forgive Kishi, because I no longer trust him. He had my trust and now that trust is gone. If he wants to convince me that he's still worth investing in, then he's going to be fighting an uphill battle.

Edited by TerrorKing, 28 January 2015 - 04:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thanks.

http://japanbase.net...-studio-40.html

Lol @ NS 4 Life, read this garbage and you'll see that he was saying all of this crap.

Here it is.

[Chatte]

the last nardo listening to sakura lol

does anybody remember the 3rd genjutsu where nardo stands behind a pole and watch hina and saku talk about "bla bla scarf bla bla if it's you it'll be fine bla bla". nardo looks so dejected in that scene.. it looks like he still love saku and he listen to whatever she say.. even though it hurts him 

furthermore proving that he gave-up on winning sakura's heart? 

[rocci]

Wow, rocci, it's true.

Yeah, since 2002.
But how the anime design can't match the manga design?
While studio clown could do that with bleach?

[applesauceful]

 

Welcome back !  You lost a lot of things indeed 

 

Don't know about the article...is it true Chatte??

 

Thanks ! Good to be back!

 

 

welcome back appelsauceful! here are the reviews from two of our members who were brave enough to watch that abomination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Luffy! I'm surprised Konan watched it. She's a lot braver than me :)

 

So it really seems like this movie was written and directed by people who aren't fans of the manga/anime and have probably casually skimmed through parts of the series. To me, from what I've read, this is a movie that uses the source material sparingly (only the characters, settings and such) in an effort to deliver a movie inspired by their own thoughts and interpretation. This definitely should not considered canon in no way, shape and form. It does actually make me feel a little better. But yeah, this is the kind of thing I would expect from Hollywood who had to change the source material for an adaptation to fit the big screen (i.e. more in the vein of something like Jumper). This movie is neither faithful to fans nor the source material. In fact, this movie seems like it was solely put together in an effort to attract a very casual audience (although NS would've been a much better romantic story that would've not only attracted a casual audience but it would allow the movie to follow the source material and therefore attract the larger Naruto fanbase. Furthermore it would've meant more Sasuke screentime as he would be a central character in a plot such as this where Sakura would have to once and for all sort out her feelings for him so Sasuke fans would've been happy.)

 

This serves as more determination. My gosh, the bar is set so low it wouldn't take much to show up a movie like this.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, since 2002.
But how the anime design can't match the manga design?
While studio clown could do that with bleach?

I have no idea. I mean TG does look different between manga and anime, but still, that doesn't mean the Mangaka has to change. For what? There's a reason why we have decisions on what's better: anime or manga. Not trying to make it equal.

[applesauceful]

The interview yes, not the translation though. :) I translated it with GT and seemed to be that way. We have the translation somewhere around here as well. I will post it after I find it.

 

Oh ok, cool. I was hoping that someone in the industry would have the guts to criticise this whole disaster but I think they'd have to have quite a lot of pull to be able to do so.

[ichigo500]

Hello guys !! Hope you all had a good day/night !   Anything happened during the past 17 hours ?

[RyohkiFan]

the last nardo listening to sakura lol

does anybody remember the 3rd genjutsu where nardo stands behind a pole and watch hina and saku talk about "bla bla scarf bla bla if it's you it'll be fine bla bla". nardo looks so dejected in that scene.. it looks like he still love saku and he listen to whatever she say.. even though it hurts him 

I hate how they did Sakura's hair lol Everyone is sad in this movie...get it away

[rocci]

I have no idea. I mean TG does look different between manga and anime, but still, that doesn't mean the Mangaka has to change. For what? There's a reason why we have decisions on what's better: anime or manga. Not trying to make it equal.

I don't know. But I think he's much more enjoy as a movie guy than a mangaka. I think he want to become like the author of Akira. The author of Akira is a mangaka who make a movie about his own manga with himself as the director and the movie become a cult succes. Too bad kishi doesn't has any of it. It all half ass.

[Newkidontheblock]

Ladies, gentlemen. I wanted to say thank you to all of you for answering my queries, and for illustrating the last movie for me. To find so many people who loved one of my favorite pairings growing up here still sharing their feelings is amazing.

With that said though, I need to start doing some reflecting. The revelations about the naruto endgame and their handling of the pairings has made me realize I have a very different opinion about what is considered good romantic plot lines and made me question when someone who loves another should move on. and frankly, after being invested in this for so much time, I still need to heal and coming here always reminds me of what I feel should have been, before 693 and sometimes (540, 474, and 469). I wanted to let you all know cause, you're awesome like that.

I'll keep my account open and maybe I'll post, but I need to wait for my wounds to heal so that I can look at this like I once did, like I did with tai and sora.

By the way, Heaven and Earth, you have such a wide, charming forehead.

Until then, ja ne.

[六道仙人]

the last nardo listening to sakura lol

does anybody remember the 3rd genjutsu where nardo stands behind a pole and watch hina and saku talk about "bla bla scarf bla bla if it's you it'll be fine bla bla". nardo looks so dejected in that scene.. it looks like he still love saku and he listen to whatever she say.. even though it hurts him 

 

Sakura: Naruto... mama's little boy, if you don't give her your big and strong hand that she wants since she born...you will be killed by me, ok? 

Edited by 六道仙人, 28 January 2015 - 04:46 PM.

[applesauceful]

I can't speak for Kishi personally because I'm not him but this is how I see all of this:

 

As an author, when I write a MC I put part of myself into that MC. But it's not really just the surface layer stuff, it's more of my dreams, hopes and aspirations those types of things (I guess it's kind of like those parents who live their dreams through the life of their kids). From my observations, it seems that Kishi is a weak-minded person and it's partly because of this that Naruto as character worked so well at the beginning. What I mean is, if Kishi had the hope/desire to become more strong-willed, to stick to his word and have a stronger resolve, Naruto's initial character would've been a reflection of that (like I believe he was). But the problem with that is that it's a double-edged sword. While he puts these aspirations into a character like Naruto, he's still him and third-parties will 'influence' him because he's... well... weak-minded. He goes/went along basically with whatever his editor tells/told him. So it would be expected that he would cave into the pressure from SP and/or those "louder" so-called fans who cared more about their ship then the actual series itself and in turned ruined it.

 

So what initially gave birth to a great character and initially a great series also caused it's demise. Or at least, that's how I see it.

Edited by applesauceful, 28 January 2015 - 04:47 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know. But I think he's much more enjoy as a movie guy than a mangaka. I think he want to become like the author of Akira. The author of Akira is a mangaka who make a movie about his own manga with himself as the director and the movie become a cult succes. Too bad kishi doesn't has any of it. It all half ass.

He's a guy who likes what he sees, but can't do what they can in a good way. It's possible the reality hit him hard when working in a manga. I mean it seems like he wants to do one but not this long at all. Bakuman didn't really tackle this on a serious note but it did have one character saying that he like manga but didn't think doing one would be brutal especially for a long lasting one.

I feel like he just find out how brutal it can be and when he has no one to back up him in the original material, that passion would be gone.

[RyohkiFan]

Hello guys !! Hope you all had a good day/night !   Anything happened during the past 17 hours ?

Jp NH fans are cruel and JP NS fans do celebrate the day Naruto fell in love with Sakura

[RyohkiFan]

Ladies, gentlemen. I wanted to say thank you to all of you for answering my queries, and for illustrating the last movie for me. To find so many people who loved one of my favorite pairings growing up here still sharing their feelings is amazing.

With that said though, I need to start doing some reflecting. The revelations about the naruto endgame and their handling of the pairings has made me realize I have a very different opinion about what is considered good romantic plot lines and made me question when someone who loves another should move on. and frankly, after being invested in this for so much time, I still need to heal and coming here always reminds me of what I feel should have been, before 693 and sometimes (540, 474, and 469). I wanted to let you all know cause, you're awesome like that.

I'll keep my account open and maybe I'll post, but I need to wait for my wounds to heal so that I can look at this like I once did, like I did with tai and sora.

By the way, Heaven and Earth, you have such a wide, charming forehead.

Until then, ja ne.