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#1 tricksie

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 07:29 PM

Read some interesting articles on the Washington Post today about sexuality (or the lack of it) in modern Japanese society. There are also links to articles about Japanese women's equality compared to other countries (not good!), and about men who are foregoing romantic relationships and the market that has popped up around them.
 
It's an interesting read made even more interesting when you compare it with Kishimoto's treatment of women in the manga and his apparent attitudes about women being homemakers after marriage (remember Kurenai's father?). Not defending Kishimoto, but maybe there's more going on than just an outdated/sexist opinion.

 

Anyway, take from it what you will. It's a snapshot of current Japanese society. And in the wake of the Naruto ending, with it's strong emphasis on womens' roles in the home vs fulfilling personal career goals, I thought these articles were really interesting.

 

 
"Japan's sexual apathy is endangering the global economy"
 
This article talks about men and women who are averse to romantic relationships, marriage, child-rearing and even sex. It's got some great infographics and talks about how these simple personal choices are causing their society to shrink very, very fast. Just check out some of these stats:

 

 

• Extremely high numbers of Japanese do not find sex appealing. 45 percent of women and 25 percent of men, ages 16 to 24, are "not interested in or despised sexual contact."

• More than half of Japanese are single. 49 percent of unmarried women and 61 of unmarried men, ages 18 to 34, are not in any kind of romantic relationship.

• In every age group, the percentage of Japanese men and women who are not in a romantic relationship has been increasing steadily since the 1990s.

• About a quarter of Japanese don't want a romantic relationship. 23 percent of women and 27 percent of men say they are not interested in any kind of romantic relationship.

• More than a third of childbearing-age Japanese have never had sex: 39 percent of women and 36 percent of men, ages 18 to 34. That number hasn't actually changed much over the last decade, but it is unusually high.

• The Japanese population institute projects that women in their early 20s have a 25 percent chance of never marrying and a 40 percent chance of never having kids.

 

 

 
"Japan ranks 101st globally for gender equality"
 
Measured across 135 countries, Japan placed 101st, alongside Tajikistan and Gambia. Bangladesh ranked 15 points higher. This is remarkable because Japan is a highly educated and wealthy nation, but still has huge gender gaps.
 

 

 

Professional women are stuck in the middle of that contradiction. It's not just that day-care programs are scarce: Women who become pregnant or even just marry are so expected to quit work that they can come under enormous social pressure to do so and often find that career advancement becomes impossible. There's a word for married working women: oniyome, or "devil wives."

 
 
"Japan's young men seek a new path"
 
This article talks about how Japanese young men are changing values, rejecting the 70-hour work week of their fathers, less likely to spend money on cars or date heavily, but are more likely to spend money on fashion. Called "herbivores" in Japan, they are more like American 'metrosexuals.' 2010 article, but still interesting. Talks about how advertisers don't know how to pitch to them!



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 07:40 PM

Now this definitely is an interesting article for sure.



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 07:43 PM

what!!! o.O

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 08:19 PM

Read some interesting articles on the Washington Post today about sexuality (or the lack of it) in modern Japanese society. There are also links to articles about Japanese women's equality compared to other countries (not good!), and about men who are foregoing romantic relationships and the market that has popped up around them.
 
It's an interesting read made even more interesting when you compare it with Kishimoto's treatment of women in the manga and his apparent attitudes about women being homemakers after marriage (remember Kurenai's father?). Not defending Kishimoto, but maybe there's more going on than just an outdated/sexist opinion.

 

Anyway, take from it what you will. It's a snapshot of current Japanese society. And in the wake of the Naruto ending, with it's strong emphasis on womens' roles in the home vs fulfilling personal career goals, I thought these articles were really interesting.

 

 
"Japan's sexual apathy is endangering the global economy"
 
This article talks about men and women who are averse to romantic relationships, marriage, child-rearing and even sex. It's got some great infographics and talks about how these simple personal choices are causing their society to shrink very, very fast. Just check out some of these stats:

 

 

 

 
"Japan ranks 101st globally for gender equality"
 
Measured across 135 countries, Japan placed 101st, alongside Tajikistan and Gambia. Bangladesh ranked 15 points higher. This is remarkable because Japan is a highly educated and wealthy nation, but still has huge gender gaps.
 

 
 
"Japan's young men seek a new path"
 
This article talks about how Japanese young men are changing values, rejecting the 70-hour work week of their fathers, less likely to spend money on cars or date heavily, but are more likely to spend money on fashion. Called "herbivores" in Japan, they are more like American 'metrosexuals.' 2010 article, but still interesting. Talks about how advertisers don't know how to pitch to them!

 

Oh I've taken Japanese values into account when I read the ending, believe me. Doesn't make his message  any less disgusting or misogynistic. Not to say I don't know you're not defending him Tricksie, That's just my opinion on it.  :smile:

 

What upsets me is not the attitude towards women but the fact that the ending makes it like he S**TS on his character development and destroyed the selfless and sympathetic qualities Naruto and Sakura have by making Naruto a possesive prick to the women he has feelings for as Sakura was an excuse trophy for his rivalry with Sasuke and that he is getting all jealous over Hinata for no reason even though he felt nothing romantic for her before. Plus what Sakura felt for Naruto seemed like just a substitution for her Sasuke-kun until she got him back and then just went back to her part I self  saying she'll go with Sasuke any without second thought of Naruto, and even convinced Naruto what he felt for her was not true love. Does that paint either of them in a good light? 


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 09:51 PM

It's not all that surprising really, you just have to look at manga and animes on how mothers and single females are often portrayed.

 

You see the mother usually as a housewife, and the husband is often away at work never to be seen, except for national Holidays. The only time you'll see the mother is when she is in the kitchen, or out shopping.

 

The single female in her mid twenties is nearly always portrayed a a desperate single woman who is shown as too needy, worried about getting pass her sell by date, and you nearly always see them as getting drunk all the time, this is pretty much the norm for single twenty something females, they are in their workclothes, they come home, strip to their vests and shorts and grab the beer from the fridge, and spend the rest of the day getting buzzed, and when you do see them getting in a relationship, it's with someone who has either broken up with them multiple times, or has cheated on them. It's almost like, if you are Twenty and not found your true love you are destined to be old and lonely and drunk for the rest of your life.

 

 

Though what Kishi did was in many ways worst than anything in other animes/manga, he basically said a girl can only like one person ever, if that person doesn't rturn their feelings or dies they are destined to spend the rest of their lives alone. he took the feelings of girls as pre-teens and never evolved them, they stayed stationary, basically in the entire manga, which was about growing up, the feelings of the girls never evolved, the entire manga showed us how everyone grew up, and then at the end showed us how non of them ever did. It contradicted the entire purpose of the manga. which is essentially the biggest issue, the end made the entire 15 plus years of content pointless, because no lessons learnt stuck, 'Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat them' which funnily enough Naruto was shown to learn from the mistakes of his peers yet the end showed us how he repeated them.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:35 AM

Now that I read this article, and looked at the two charts, I can only come to the conclusion that the anime industry portrayal of men and women in what they show is damaging. An hourglass body, with a cute face, and large breasts seem to have become a norm for women, even when the percentage of most Japanese women are not like that. A cute face with big shiny eyes, and skinny but strong as well...pffft yeah right.

 

Hayao Miyazaki was right, the anime industry as it is right now, is not only damaging itself, but the country they live in.

 

If they want to increase population growth, then a suggestion is to loosen up immigration laws, ban abortions, and put tighter laws on what the anime industry is allowed to show to young teenagers who are just coming into maturity.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:43 AM

I don't think it has something to do with anime, manga, or game.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:13 AM

A very interesting reads. Though I was shocked when on of the articles stated that Japan owes $1.1 trillion ( O_O ) dollars to the US.


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Posted 13 January 2015 - 10:22 AM

I guess that that explains why female characters that are -or are perceived by fandom like being- mild-mannered, quiet, submissive and shy tend to be so popular (Sailor Mercury, Rei Ayanami, Hinata Hyuga...).

 

 

 

The single female in her mid twenties is nearly always portrayed a a desperate single woman who is shown as too needy, worried about getting pass her sell by date, and you nearly always see them as getting drunk all the time, this is pretty much the norm for single twenty something females, they are in their workclothes, they come home, strip to their vests and shorts and grab the beer from the fridge, and spend the rest of the day getting buzzed, and when you do see them getting in a relationship, it's with someone who has either broken up with them multiple times, or has cheated on them. It's almost like, if you are Twenty and not found your true love you are destined to be old and lonely and drunk for the rest of your life.

 

This reminds me of Maison Ikkoku. The female lead was a woman in her twenties, manager of a boarding house and a widow (and a tsundere, but that is another matter). A bunch of characters (including the tenants, her neighbours, her parents, her in-laws...) pestered her about getting married again, claiming that she would become an old hag if she did not wed someone soon. However the main character -who was in love with her- sometimes told them: "Has some of you ever CONSIDERED what Kyoko wants?"

 

This manga was written by a woman in the early eighties. How you can see, things have not changed.

 

 

Now that I read this article, and looked at the two charts, I can only come to the conclusion that the anime industry portrayal of men and women in what they show is damaging. An hourglass body, with a cute face, and large breasts seem to have become a norm for women, even when the percentage of most Japanese women are not like that. A cute face with big shiny eyes, and skinny but strong as well...pffft yeah right.

 

Hayao Miyazaki was right, the anime industry as it is right now, is not only damaging itself, but the country they live in.

 

If they want to increase population growth, then a suggestion is to loosen up immigration laws, ban abortions, and put tighter laws on what the anime industry is allowed to show to young teenagers who are just coming into maturity.

 

I quite agree. Add to that portrayal "quiet, submissive, agreeable and always supportive" and you realize why young otaku are so afraid of women: they want that kind of women, and regard other kind of characters (mainly tsunderes) like crazy b*****s (despite of being more realistic). But since the former group do not exist in real life and they are afraid of real women (you know... those psychotic tsundere b*****s that dare to get angry and talk their minds rather pampering and servicing men), they avoid them, preffering her Rei Ayanami perfect fantasies to a blood-and-flesh, real person.


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