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#18621 DattebayoXShannaro

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:53 AM

Konan-sama, your sig made me laugh. :lmao:



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:56 AM

There's no excuses to mislead fans for 15 years
Now I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what he said, but Kishimoto is a pathetic excuse of a human being, so I understand why people have such emotions 

He technically didn't mislead the fans for 15 years, he said he did 'consider' narusaku, but then changed his mind because if Sakura changed her love interest from Sasuke to Naruto, she would be a "terrible woman". (But it's ok if Naruto, a man, does the same thing).

Later on in his interviews, he essentially retconned his own previous interview, and said all the narusaku parallels were to "deliberately mislead" the audience. (Why? For the lols?)

In the other interview, he said Hinata acknowledged Naruto first, and although Sakura acknowledged Naruto as well, he felt bad for Hinata. (A poor attempt to hide his misogyny).

Then there's the other interview where he said he didn't know how SS got together. Planned for a long time? Ha!

Now we hear that Sakura's parents weren't even shown in the manga because she wasn't popular. Gee, I wonder what else Kishimoto had to take away from her because of her poor popularity.

Every time he does an interview, he comes up with a different story. I can't wait to see what comes next.

Edited by Nefertieh, 15 December 2014 - 04:00 AM.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:01 AM

 

This would be good in it's own thread....

 

*hint, hint*  :wink:

 

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:04 AM

He technically didn't mislead the fans for 15 years, he said he did 'consider' narusaku, but then changed his mind because if Sakura changed her love interest from Sasuke to Naruto, she would be a "terrible woman". (But it's ok if Naruto, a man, does the same thing).

Later on in his interviews, he essentially retconned his own previous interview, and said all the narusaku parallels were to "deliberately mislead" the audience. (Why? For the lols?)

In the other interview, he said Hinata acknowledged Naruto first, and although Sakura acknowledged Naruto as well, he felt bad for Hinata. (A poor attempt to hide his misogyny).

Then there's the other interview where he said he didn't know how SS got together. Planned for a long time? Ha!

Now we hear that Sakura's parents weren't even shown in the manga because she wasn't popular. Gee, I wonder what else Kishimoto had to take away from her because of her poor popularity.

Every time he does an interview, he comes up with a different story. I can't wait to see what comes next.

Dam, you make good points

I forgot about the interview

Also the thing about Sakura's popularity is also bs because she is the most popular female in Naruto, Japanese fans were so confused when he said she "wasn't popular"


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:11 AM

The anime studio must really hate her, because she looked awful in this wedding.... they always have to change her compared to the manga and Kishi's sketches. It's like they toned her appearance down completely. Yet characters like Ino are emphasized :hm: Stupid SP and their bias...


They see Sakura as a threat afterall. Because their Hinata-hime would feel insecure if they won't make Sakura ugly.

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#18626 Nefertieh

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:12 AM

Dam, you make good points
I forgot about the interview
Also the thing about Sakura's popularity is also bs because she is the most popular female in Naruto, Japanese fans were so confused when he said she "wasn't popular"

Thanks.

Well, there's actual popularity, and then there's perceived popularity. Actual popularity is hard to find (polls aren't very accurate when it comes to determining opinion, they're influenced by what he call "self selection bias").

Kishimoto listens to the perceived popularity. He works in the manga industry, he's surrounded by otaku who love "waifu" characters, ofcourse he's going to think Hinata is more popular than she is.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:12 AM

They see Sakura as a threat afterall. Because their Hinata-hime would feel insecure if they won't make Sakura ugly.

 

Amen, Rabbit, and given how cute Sakura can be, many NH fans see her as a threat, as do others, even if really, they should blame Kishimoto-sensei for lack of development with Hinata.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:12 AM

Yeah. That's when I thought SasuSaku was dead.


That was when Kishi mislead us. Funny how he loves to waste panels and pages just to mislead us.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:14 AM

That was when Kishi mislead us. Funny how he loves to waste panels and pages just to mislead us.

 

Or just to be a dumbass who let Studio Pierrot control what he should or shouldn't do.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:15 AM

That was when Kishi mislead us. Funny how he loves to waste panels and pages just to mislead us.

Yep. He really had nothing better to do.

Sorry Kishi, no one's buying it.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:15 AM

Thanks.

Well, there's actual popularity, and then there's perceived popularity. Kishimoto listens to the latter. He's surrounded by otaku who love "waifu" characters, ofcourse he's going to think Hinata is more popular than she is.

Wow and here I am, sitting in my chair just waiting to explain to you the most likely explanation of why kishimoto said that but you already knew. :sweatdrop:


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:15 AM

Amen, Rabbit, and given how cute Sakura can be, many NH fans see her as a threat, as do others, even if really, they should blame Kishimoto-sensei for lack of development with Hinata.


They make it up for lots of fanservice in fillers. Even though it's irrelevant. Hinata-hime haven't won a single fight though

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:16 AM

They make it up for lots of fanservice in fillers. Even though it's irrelevant. Hinata-hime haven't won a single fight though

 

Only in Part 1 fillers, and jsut BARELY.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:19 AM

Wow and here I am, sitting in my chair just waiting to explain to you the most likely explanation of why kishimoto said that but you already knew. :sweatdrop:


Nah, I'm pretty sure that's what everyone else here is thinking as well. :P

Amen, Rabbit, and given how cute Sakura can be, many NH fans see her as a threat, as do others, even if really, they should blame Kishimoto-sensei for lack of development with Hinata.


The funny thing is, even NH fans didn't think Naruto's feelings for Sakura would be retconned out of existence. They thought Naruto would "get over" or "give up" on Sakura because of how beautiful Hinata was.

They wanted to see Sakura punished more than anything else.
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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:45 AM

Only in Part 1 fillers, and jsut BARELY.


Part 2 fillers too. They even put a scene where Hinata was able to land a blow on Pain but in reality she was swatted like a fly.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:12 AM

Ugh I saw the scene with the genjutsu where Naruto get's to see Hinata's memories. It's funny because it's just two canon memories, the part where she gives him ointment during the exams and then when she saves him Pain. The other memory is the one with that assignment about who you want to spend the rest of your life with or whatever, because that's something that's important to learn in shinobi school. I laughed because the whole hand holding scene wasn't there, but the rest of it was horrible. It was only a little over 4 minutes long and Naruto is so sulky during the whole genjustsu, it was by far one of the most puzzling scenes I've ever laid eyes on. I'm surprised I didnt go blind.


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:24 AM

Let's be a bit fair to SP here guys... after all they did give us the Naruto vs Mecha Naruto special that involved Naruto making a promise to protect Sakura


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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:50 AM

Let's be a bit fair to SP here guys... after all they did give us the Naruto vs Mecha Naruto special that involved Naruto making a promise to protect Sakura


Unfortunately, Kishi and the staff forgot. They have forgotten everything and decided to make Naruto in favor of Hinata

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:53 AM

Unfortunately, Kishi and the staff forgot. They have forgotten everything and decided to make Naruto in favor of Hinata

 

Yeah, plus Kishimoto-sensei admitted he pitied Hinata, which is what I feel many NH fans feel and why they think she DESERVES Naruto, when she doesn't, given Naruto didn't necessarily have to work to "deserve" Sakura, and he always loved her, while he got guilt tripped essentially to love Hinata.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 06:24 AM

Let's be a bit fair to SP here guys... after all they did give us the Naruto vs Mecha Naruto special that involved Naruto making a promise to protect Sakura

I don't know if that makes it better or worse to be honest with you. Either way you know they were just using us.



 





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