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#121 Nar123

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 02:49 PM

All of you are unbelievable. You guys sound like bitter children putting down a honor elementary student while you all got barely passing grades.

As for Hinata, she's not my favorite female but she's not anything close to one note, boring or useless. At least she has developed from where she was and since then did her role better that I can say Sakura has. She was within expectations and never forced her character to rise above everyone else unfairly.

Sakura is guilty of those. kitten her, what makes her more prominent than any of the other rookies maybe bar shikamaru? If hinata was a Satellite love development to the main character (which isn't so bad, she has shown bigger empathy and concern to Naruto's personal human flaws more than Haring ever has), Sakura is even worse from a general narrative.

Sakura fell for a emotionally retarded nutcase who I think would fit Sakura more than any girl in the series due to her more tender treatment towards him and her ability to remind him he's human who through out the series always stood up for him and unconditionally loved him and wanted his happiness. No girl in the series has displayed that level of commitment and loyalty to Sasuke's wellbeing.

And from that, That's all Sakura amounts to, a love story that effects all aspects of her characters growth. She in all her progress as put her growth through a boy she wants to marry. Nothing she did was a sign of individual progress of her own will and cause, she has been in the back seat of Naruto's ride to save Sasuke because that's all she amounted to as a main female character in the plot.

Even her character dynamics with other females is kinda lacking compared to Naruto and Sasuke, her shallow relationship with Ino and other fellow kunoichi shown in part 2, her obvious biased tie to legendary medical ninja, chiyo who obviously was a SasuSaku side story dressed in a Akatsuki fight, and finally her ass pull summoning katsuyu which was never shown or seen before and how her master even showed her how to summon her hell we don't even see how katsuyu accepts her showing how she passes her master.

Anything major involving Sakura involves boys and love. So Sakura is anti feminist and shows a lack of equality towards stereotype roles which is why in the anime there is no Sakura centered episodes even in filler, she very static in her own focus and in a shonen No less. She acts like a childish spoiled angry abusive b*tch for no reason but attempted humor between naruto and her which in shonen is kittening one of my peeves.

She like all other stereotypes in anime always feel that they have to assault the main character and be aggressively entitled to overpower males through misunderstanding situations because that's comedy while to me it shows a lack respect for main pairings and so called couples especially in action anime because it's regulates certain gender roles as opposed to empowering them but the woman at the end of the days abuses is not an indication of strength but weakness to show her female needing to control because she's powerless and that she is still weaker than the main character or not that strong in battle against many male filled warriors who are more or less created to give the protagonist a amount of equality as a powerful role.

This is the sad reality or not only Sakura but Hinata and the other female characters, in the end the men matter more on a developed scale and they are more compelling and complex than the women as well as better fighters, better human beings, and more than what they seen on the surface. All the chick's in this series suffer from boy obsession in some fashion not just Sakura and Hinata.

But yeah the reason Hinata is more likeable than Sakura because while meek, overly feminine, and has nearly no outside development beyond Naruto is still at least nicer and more dignified than Sakura. She also loves her teacher, her family, her team, and neji and has shown absolute decisiveness to put her life on the line to save and protect them. She's pretty much the holy virgin Mary as a Chinese inspired ninja girl.

Sakura realistically speaking is more or less too realistic. Less ideal and more corrupt than compared to Hinata. She has lied, she has condescended, she has put personal desires over the greater good of people, she has been cowardly. This ironically makes her human but not interesting to me, she based on this deserves Sasuke even more, because they have plenty of flawed development and look more like anti heroes than actual heroes.

Hinata with her character and her values for the ideals that she and Naruto share is more a heroine than Sakura ever will be.


Hahaha put in your head that no female character in naruto had good development. Sakura showed major potential mainly in early shippuden but kishi completely forgot about her and degraded her back to her part 1 self
Hinata showed potential back then in part 1 when her backstory involved not only nardo but the whole traditional aspect of the Hyuuga Clan. In part 2 she was a completely one note boring character that had only one motive to live : "nardo -koon"

And then you say hinata loved not only nardo kun but also her friends, family and neji!
I say what family? The hyuugas were completely forgotten in part 2! Whos neji? Oh neji was her dear cousin, she loved him so much that after he died she could only thing of Nardo kun big strong hand!! :lmao:
Hinata's role was that of a stupid pairing fodder, it wouldnt be hard to develop her but kishi chose to not do it

Edited by Nar123, 29 November 2014 - 02:56 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 03:05 PM

My rant on Hinata is that they've changed her character massively from the manga to the anime. She is literally a different character.

 

She was never cute in the manga. Never open and confident. And she always had body language that hid her curves and showed off that low self-esteem.

 

The Hinata for the movie is flat-chested, open-armed, comfortable with herself and accepting of others. She is cute in way she's never been before. And she no longer has even a hint of a chest, unless she's wearing her new shinobi clothes. And as curvy and accentuating as her shinobi clothes are — with it's tight fitting obi-like waist band, her booty shorts, mesh thigh highs and the deep v-neck sleeveless shirt — you would think she'd gotten a self-esteem powerup to go along with them. 

 

The Hinata of old would never have been confident enough to wear that.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Hinata is a character remade in this movie. Her biggest strength is that appeals to both markets. Girls want to be her, guys want to get with her.

 

Want more proof than the illustrations? Look no further than the scads of Hinata-branded things. They are promoting her as much as Naruto in an blatant effort to appeal to both male and female audiences.

 

FrankenHinata has been remade into a two dimensional marketing doll. An ideal to drive ticket sales. Nothing more.



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Posted 29 November 2014 - 06:29 PM

All of you are unbelievable. You guys sound like bitter children putting down a honor elementary student while you all got barely passing grades.

As for Hinata, she's not my favorite female but she's not anything close to one note, boring or useless. At least she has developed from where she was and since then did her role better that I can say Sakura has. She was within expectations and never forced her character to rise above everyone else unfairly.

Sakura is guilty of those. kitten her, what makes her more prominent than any of the other rookies maybe bar shikamaru? If hinata was a Satellite love development to the main character (which isn't so bad, she has shown bigger empathy and concern to Naruto's personal human flaws more than Haring ever has), Sakura is even worse from a general narrative.

Sakura fell for a emotionally retarded nutcase who I think would fit Sakura more than any girl in the series due to her more tender treatment towards him and her ability to remind him he's human who through out the series always stood up for him and unconditionally loved him and wanted his happiness. No girl in the series has displayed that level of commitment and loyalty to Sasuke's wellbeing.

And from that, That's all Sakura amounts to, a love story that effects all aspects of her characters growth. She in all her progress as put her growth through a boy she wants to marry. Nothing she did was a sign of individual progress of her own will and cause, she has been in the back seat of Naruto's ride to save Sasuke because that's all she amounted to as a main female character in the plot.

Even her character dynamics with other females is kinda lacking compared to Naruto and Sasuke, her shallow relationship with Ino and other fellow kunoichi shown in part 2, her obvious biased tie to legendary medical ninja, chiyo who obviously was a SasuSaku side story dressed in a Akatsuki fight, and finally her ass pull summoning katsuyu which was never shown or seen before and how her master even showed her how to summon her hell we don't even see how katsuyu accepts her showing how she passes her master.

Anything major involving Sakura involves boys and love. So Sakura is anti feminist and shows a lack of equality towards stereotype roles which is why in the anime there is no Sakura centered episodes even in filler, she very static in her own focus and in a shonen No less. She acts like a childish spoiled angry abusive b*tch for no reason but attempted humor between naruto and her which in shonen is kittening one of my peeves.

She like all other stereotypes in anime always feel that they have to assault the main character and be aggressively entitled to overpower males through misunderstanding situations because that's comedy while to me it shows a lack respect for main pairings and so called couples especially in action anime because it's regulates certain gender roles as opposed to empowering them but the woman at the end of the days abuses is not an indication of strength but weakness to show her female needing to control because she's powerless and that she is still weaker than the main character or not that strong in battle against many male filled warriors who are more or less created to give the protagonist a amount of equality as a powerful role.

This is the sad reality or not only Sakura but Hinata and the other female characters, in the end the men matter more on a developed scale and they are more compelling and complex than the women as well as better fighters, better human beings, and more than what they seen on the surface. All the chick's in this series suffer from boy obsession in some fashion not just Sakura and Hinata.

But yeah the reason Hinata is more likeable than Sakura because while meek, overly feminine, and has nearly no outside development beyond Naruto is still at least nicer and more dignified than Sakura. She also loves her teacher, her family, her team, and neji and has shown absolute decisiveness to put her life on the line to save and protect them. She's pretty much the holy virgin Mary as a Chinese inspired ninja girl.

Sakura realistically speaking is more or less too realistic. Less ideal and more corrupt than compared to Hinata. She has lied, she has condescended, she has put personal desires over the greater good of people, she has been cowardly. This ironically makes her human but not interesting to me, she based on this deserves Sasuke even more, because they have plenty of flawed development and look more like anti heroes than actual heroes.

Hinata with her character and her values for the ideals that she and Naruto share is more a heroine than Sakura ever will be.

 

Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle back? :glare: SO it's not fine vent out frustrations on Hinata but you can call Sakura a b**ch? And Hinata is an angel in comparison? Give me a break. We were saying what we don't like about Hinata's Character. You don't like Sakura? Fine, but don't act like Hinata is such a wonderful and well thought out character, cause she is not different to Sakura in the end it that is your stance. Sakura is a selfish B**ch for not caring about anyone but Sasuke, but Hinata is not (selfish) for going right back to "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun" after her own cousin/half brother died? Sakura had horrible development? Well at least she GOT development. It was only burned to ashes at the last second. Did Hinata have any development? Did she? She is not more of heroine in a lot of fans eyes cause she never got any focus either.


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Posted 29 November 2014 - 06:40 PM

 

The Hinata for the movie is flat-chested, open-armed, comfortable with herself and accepting of others. She is cute in way she's never been before. And she no longer has even a hint of a chest, unless she's wearing her new shinobi clothes. And as curvy and accentuating as her shinobi clothes are — with it's tight fitting obi-like waist band, her booty shorts, mesh thigh highs and the deep v-neck sleeveless shirt — you would think she'd gotten a self-esteem powerup to go along with them. 

 

The Hinata of old would never have been confident enough to wear that.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Hinata is a character remade in this movie. Her biggest strength is that appeals to both markets. Girls want to be her, guys want to get with her.

 

Want more proof than the illustrations? Look no further than the scads of Hinata-branded things. They are promoting her as much as Naruto in an blatant effort to appeal to both male and female audiences.

 

FrankenHinata has been remade into a two dimensional marketing doll. An ideal to drive ticket sales. Nothing more.

 

Yeah, exactly! It's like they made her into a Sakura because I could see her wearing something similar to that especially because she always showed off her legs. What I don't quite understand is why they didn't just keep Sakura as the main character instead of making Hinata more like her. They gave Hinata Sakura's clothes, nice attitude, outgoingness (is that evena word?),  Naruto, I even heard somewhere they made her a tsundere? Ugh....



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Posted 29 November 2014 - 07:27 PM

 

Yeah, exactly! It's like they made her into a Sakura because I could see her wearing something similar to that especially because she always showed off her legs. What I don't quite understand is why they didn't just keep Sakura as the main character instead of making Hinata more like her. They gave Hinata Sakura's clothes, nice attitude, outgoingness (is that evena word?),  Naruto, I even heard somewhere they made her a tsundere? Ugh....

 

Yeah, it kinda weirds me out, but I like to think that if something was done for Hinata to be more confident, then maybe it'd work, but not like this. NO.



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Posted 29 November 2014 - 08:05 PM

 

Yeah, exactly! It's like they made her into a Sakura because I could see her wearing something similar to that especially because she always showed off her legs. What I don't quite understand is why they didn't just keep Sakura as the main character instead of making Hinata more like her. They gave Hinata Sakura's clothes, nice attitude, outgoingness (is that evena word?),  Naruto, I even heard somewhere they made her a tsundere? Ugh....

 

Popularity obviously.

 

Side characters should not take the spoltight from the heroine (especially poorly developed).

 

Hinata's superficial appeal is destroying this series even more. The sad thing is that she could have been a great character.

 

Tashigi is similar to hinata (shyness and conservative) except that she tries all story long to be stronger and wiser. She actually wants to be among the top tiers and does not hesitate to speak her mind to the males. However, most of the fanbase ridicule her due to her poor winning records but I think Oda is gonna maker her shine in the near future in Wano. Sadly, she is really not popular (hate and lack of fanarts and cosplays).

 

Hinata's popularity is kinda similar to Law's overblown popularity (I think he is getting too much attention).



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Posted 29 November 2014 - 10:28 PM

All of you are unbelievable. You guys sound like bitter children putting down a honor elementary student while you all got barely passing grades.

As for Hinata, she's not my favorite female but she's not anything close to one note, boring or useless. At least she has developed from where she was and since then did her role better that I can say Sakura has. She was within expectations and never forced her character to rise above everyone else unfairly.

Sakura is guilty of those. kitten her, what makes her more prominent than any of the other rookies maybe bar shikamaru? If hinata was a Satellite love development to the main character (which isn't so bad, she has shown bigger empathy and concern to Naruto's personal human flaws more than Haring ever has), Sakura is even worse from a general narrative.

Sakura fell for a emotionally retarded nutcase who I think would fit Sakura more than any girl in the series due to her more tender treatment towards him and her ability to remind him he's human who through out the series always stood up for him and unconditionally loved him and wanted his happiness. No girl in the series has displayed that level of commitment and loyalty to Sasuke's wellbeing.

And from that, That's all Sakura amounts to, a love story that effects all aspects of her characters growth. She in all her progress as put her growth through a boy she wants to marry. Nothing she did was a sign of individual progress of her own will and cause, she has been in the back seat of Naruto's ride to save Sasuke because that's all she amounted to as a main female character in the plot.

Even her character dynamics with other females is kinda lacking compared to Naruto and Sasuke, her shallow relationship with Ino and other fellow kunoichi shown in part 2, her obvious biased tie to legendary medical ninja, chiyo who obviously was a SasuSaku side story dressed in a Akatsuki fight, and finally her ass pull summoning katsuyu which was never shown or seen before and how her master even showed her how to summon her hell we don't even see how katsuyu accepts her showing how she passes her master.

Anything major involving Sakura involves boys and love. So Sakura is anti feminist and shows a lack of equality towards stereotype roles which is why in the anime there is no Sakura centered episodes even in filler, she very static in her own focus and in a shonen No less. She acts like a childish spoiled angry abusive b*tch for no reason but attempted humor between naruto and her which in shonen is kittening one of my peeves.

She like all other stereotypes in anime always feel that they have to assault the main character and be aggressively entitled to overpower males through misunderstanding situations because that's comedy while to me it shows a lack respect for main pairings and so called couples especially in action anime because it's regulates certain gender roles as opposed to empowering them but the woman at the end of the days abuses is not an indication of strength but weakness to show her female needing to control because she's powerless and that she is still weaker than the main character or not that strong in battle against many male filled warriors who are more or less created to give the protagonist a amount of equality as a powerful role.

This is the sad reality or not only Sakura but Hinata and the other female characters, in the end the men matter more on a developed scale and they are more compelling and complex than the women as well as better fighters, better human beings, and more than what they seen on the surface. All the chick's in this series suffer from boy obsession in some fashion not just Sakura and Hinata.

But yeah the reason Hinata is more likeable than Sakura because while meek, overly feminine, and has nearly no outside development beyond Naruto is still at least nicer and more dignified than Sakura. She also loves her teacher, her family, her team, and neji and has shown absolute decisiveness to put her life on the line to save and protect them. She's pretty much the holy virgin Mary as a Chinese inspired ninja girl.

Sakura realistically speaking is more or less too realistic. Less ideal and more corrupt than compared to Hinata. She has lied, she has condescended, she has put personal desires over the greater good of people, she has been cowardly. This ironically makes her human but not interesting to me, she based on this deserves Sasuke even more, because they have plenty of flawed development and look more like anti heroes than actual heroes.

Hinata with her character and her values for the ideals that she and Naruto share is more a heroine than Sakura ever will be.


We get it. You hate Sakura. However you have no right to blame any users here. You are only inviting trouble. Please edit your post. It's obviously not making people feel comfortable.

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 10:37 PM

We get it. You hate Sakura. However you have no right to blame any users here. You are only inviting trouble. Please edit your post. It's obviously not making people feel comfortable.

 

Yeah, plus it's asking for a fight. =/ Which is just a kitten move.



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Posted 29 November 2014 - 10:38 PM

I really don't feel sorry for any of you people.

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Posted 29 November 2014 - 10:56 PM

 Oh Lord, if I respond to a poster here, I am sure to be ban. :hm:

 

I will say that I don't have it in me to rant about her and I cared less for her particularly after her cousin died and how quickly she emotional recovered (as fast a sonic sound) by noticing Naruto's hand and how safe she felt by holding it. I just thought it was highly inappropriate. 



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Posted 29 November 2014 - 11:25 PM

I really don't feel sorry for any of you people.


It's called common courtesy. Look into it. Goodness, is it so hard to tone down your posts?

Edited by Paperman, 29 November 2014 - 11:25 PM.


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Posted 29 November 2014 - 11:38 PM

It's called common courtesy. Look into it. Goodness, is it so hard to tone down your posts?

 

Yeah, we're not asking a lot, sonicsucks. What did you think we were gonna do; ask you to kill yourself?  :sweat:

 

 

 Oh Lord, if I respond to a poster here, I am sure to be ban. :hm:

 

I will say that I don't have it in me to rant about her and I cared less for her particularly after her cousin died and how quickly she emotional recovered (as fast a sonic sound) by noticing Naruto's hand and how safe she felt by holding it. I just thought it was highly inappropriate. 

 

I know how you feel on that, Midoriko, and I hate too how her character didn't get to evolve like Sakura's did. Even Ino to an extent got to evolve her character, same with Tenten. Hinata's the only one who didn't get to evolve beyond her basic attitudes from part 1. :( Which is what bothered me so much....  :down:



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Posted 30 November 2014 - 03:11 PM

I really don't feel sorry for any of you people.

 

A Sonic hater and a Sakura hater, as if I care about your feelings.
 



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Posted 30 November 2014 - 04:11 PM

I really don't feel sorry for any of you people.

Neither do i for u.



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Posted 30 November 2014 - 04:39 PM

Psh.... should I even write? ....yeah.... I want to.  :fu:

 

 

This may come off as very very strong, so be warned.   :plots:

 

To the people who say that the girls/women that dislike Hinata are just jealous: please, have my most sincere and hysterical HAAHAHAHAHAAH NO. (try that with a younger and more impressionable person, cause it ain't gonna work with me)
I despise her with all the care I can manage to muster up for a fictional character; she's a disgraceful character and even more annoyingly they want us to consider her a POSITIVE character.... brah puh-lease you ain't fooling no one!!! She's just a flat, negative, unidimensional, selfish, pseudo-moe character. (and she managed to ruin the manga in which she was a bloody secondary character....so no props for that!)
She was actually cute in the first part, and when she started saying that the wanted to become better I applauded her for it. Then came part two, she was just 'meh' but all-around ok (even if a bit boring and uninteresting), even her silly/suicidal confession was understandable on some levels, if not really an intelligent move on her part.
And then came 615.... and I went bonkers. She displayed such a spectacular lack of care for the death of her cousin (who died because she couldn't keep her sorry ass in line) that it really really revolted me.... She didn't give a fig about her teammates, she didn't give a fig about her cousin, she didn't give a fig about her clan and her family; there was only bloody Naruto-kunning... such a good choice for a heroine in a manga that should be all about effing BONDS, because she clearly doesn't give a actual kitten about them, as long as she's happy, as long as she has her precious Nardo-kuuuun everybody else can go die in a ditch no? What an insensitive and heartless kitten....
I hate, detest and despise that she's celebrated as a good character/person, what is positive about such an attitude? Does really family count nothing? Does the teammates that always worked with you and covered your ass count nothing? What about her sister (oh sorry retcon anime filler! 'cause now everything is canon...psh..), you father, your poor cousin (who would have been breathing and living had it not been for you) and the clan that clearly needs a guide ('cause really the Hyuugas are a sad sad mess)? But you're out of kittens to give Boob-hime-princess-sama-goddes cause you have the Nardo.
 
If these are her 'good' traits...I can't wait to know what her bad traits are.
 
So congrats Princess you got all you wanted (and who cares about everybody else in the world right?)  :zaru:
 
 
'Splain me another thing... if she's not the bloody head of her bloody clan why in the seven layers of Hell she doesn't have the thrice damned cage-seal?! 
Clearly Neji died for nothing. (oh sorry, he died for NH)
 
BLEARGH.
 
 
 
 
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:47 PM

I hate that the movie is centered around a scarf. Hinata knitted him a scarf? lolwut? Just how far away from the original storyline can we get.

 

She's a ninja and the princess of her clan. Either of those two things could have been supported. She could have given him some kind of weapon, something that doesn't make her look like Suzy-Homemaker-Ninja. She could have given him some official token from her clan, something that emphasized her place of importance within her family and the village. Nope. Didn't do that either.

 

Instead we are forced to believe that she is some sweet girl who sits around pining for her heart's desire and knitting love into every stitch. 

 

Don't you think her father would come in and tell her to quit mooning over that kid and get back to work preparing to run her clan? Don't you think her teacher or teammates would tell her to knock it off and get back to training? 

 

(Sakura would certainly say it to Naruto when he was slacking off his studies and asking her for dates!)

 

The Hinata in the movie is just an ideal forced on the audience to make her as appealing as possible to all audiences. She's pretty and meek. She has no draw on her time outside of thinking of the hero. She has no focus other than gaining his attention some day.She has no purpose in life other than winning his affection.

 

Hinata fans should be upset about this, not happy. The movie is destroying her character too.



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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:10 AM

Since Hinata is moe perfect waifu material, anyone can easily project their fantasies onto her XD She doesn't have much personality or depth to begin with so it makes her easier to fantasize about  :zaru:  That's what her character amounted to. Isn't it inspiring?



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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:19 AM

Since Hinata is moe perfect waifu material, anyone can easily project their fantasies onto her XD She doesn't have much personality or depth to begin with so it makes her easier to fantasize about  :zaru:  That's what her character amounted to. Isn't it inspiring?

 

Although housewife in itself is not a bad thing. :happy:  Just how that role is executed in this story. :glare:


Edited by Phantom_999, 03 December 2014 - 02:20 AM.

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#139 Aizen-Sama

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:25 AM

 
Although housewife in itself is not a bad thing. :happy:  Just how that role is executed in this story. :glare:


Being a housewife isn't a bad thing.
Being an overrated side character who was sexified an upgraded to princess status because her whole development revolved around a guy who ignored her is.

#140 Phantom_999

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 03:39 AM

Very true.................. :ermm: Like I said Housewife isn't bad in itself. :smile:


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