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[harry4e]

 

Fans have actually been saying the ending to Harry Potter was awful/that Naruto is on par with it, and that Harry/Ginny came out of nowhere. I never read HP,  so I don't know if that's true, but I saw that a lot when the chapter came out. I guess you could say you're sitting on the SS/NH part of the fence with HP.

 

Out of Nowhere? I knew Harry/Ginny was obvious from the scene when Harry passed the Barrier at Kings cross in book one, Harry/Hermione fans thought Harry/Hermione was happenning because they were great friends, but Ginny was obviously the planned pairing for Harry from the beginning.

Edited by harry4e, 26 November 2014 - 05:36 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Out of Nowhere? I knew Harry/Ginny was obvious from the scene when Harry passed the Barrier at Kings cross in book one, Harry/Hermione fans thought Harry/Hermione was happenning because they were great friends, but Ginny was obviously the planned pairing for Harry from the beginning.

Okay, no, just no. Until late books, Ginny was nowhere around the main trio. It's was a subplot, not a thing that was there from beggining. I'm ok with it. But I didn't took endind hard or smth like that, H/Hr would be ok, and a Ron/Hr is not an intresting at my point of view, but the story had some kittening sense in it, not a BS that Kishimoto throwing at us.

[harry4e]

Okay, no, just no. Until late books, Ginny was nowhere around the main trio. It's was a subplot, not a thing that was there from beggining. I'm ok with it. But I didn't took endind hard or smth like that, H/Hr would be ok, and a Ron/Hr is not an intresting at my point of view, but the story had some kittening sense in it, not a BS that Kishimoto throwing at us.

 

They were dating in book Six, Harry spent the entire book jealous of Ginny's boyfriend, and he spent the entire last book missing her. The hints were scatterede entire the books. Ginny being the first person to wish him good luck when he entered the majical world. Him noticing her running after the train. Him notcing her Big brown eyes when he went to visit the Weasleys the first time, him going to rescue her at the end of second book. The brothers describing her as being a powerful witch and not the shy girl who squeeked at him (foreshadowing her similarities to Lily and James in areas Harry wasn't Similar in.) How we noticed given a good idea of how her relationship with her boyfriends were going considering she had no big role in the books. Book five with the library scene them sharing a cute moment together eating chocolate together when Harry was under allot of stress. When Harry smelling the Amour potion the smell hinting at it being Ginny, him being jealous.

 

Pairings don't need to be made obvious, it needs to be be hinted at, something I really liked with Harry/Ginny, shame the same could not be said about Ron/Hermione, that started out well, but between book four uptil the two thirds of the last book we Saw Hermione grow up and Ron stand still, and that made them two really a bad idea.

[Narufan85]

 

For kittens sake will people drop that s**t, Rowling admitted her quotes were taken out of context, and i'm getting tired of Harry/Hermione fans thinking that their pairing ever had a chance, JK Rowling NEVER WROTE THE FREAKING STORY TO EVER HINT AT HARRY/HERMIONE!!!!!!!

 

The difference between this and JKR'w work was JKR always wrote Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione from day one, If the novels ended with Harry/Hermione without changing the rest of the books then it would be sitting right next to the Naruto ending as the worst ending.

 

The biggest issue with the ending is the lack of development for the SS and N/H, that would have been exactly the same for H/H, they had no ROMANTIC development at all, everything between then was platonic. As far as I concerned H/Hr ending would essentially be exactly what Kishi did, changing the ending to satisfy the bigger fanbase for greed. 

 

I shipped Harry/Ginny. It was pretty obvious. I've found some really great Harry/Hermione fics that give the pairing a lot of life. I've yet to find something to convince me that Hermione/Ron is anything but an awful, awful pairing. That, and JKR is almost as bad as Kishi at writing romance. Books 6 and 7 were utter garbage.

Edited by Narufan85, 26 November 2014 - 05:40 PM.

[harry4e]

 

I still contend that Hermione/Ron is an awful, awful pairing. That, and JKR is almost as bad as Kishi at writing romance. Books 6 and 7 were utter garbage.

 

I can't argue about H/R pairing, that pairing was actually the most developed, un until Book four, you saw two early teenager do the old flirt through fighting thing, but then Hermione grew up and Ron stood still, he became a immature prat, and wasn't until the last two or three chapters in the last book did we see him grow up, that's why I would have been OK with her with George or anyone else more mature but Harry and Ginny worked well together, I saw that in the few scenes we got.

[thiagoSPTN]

People shipped H/H because of Daniel and Emma, cause Harry and Ginny had Sooo much more romantic development in the books, but Ginny's actress in the movies... I just... don't like her.

 

If I remember right, Hermione in the books was considered an ugly and nerdy girl, while in the cinema... We got EMMA WATSON. lol 

Edited by thiagoSPTN, 26 November 2014 - 05:50 PM.

[Geninja]

For kittens sake will people drop that s**t, Rowling admitted her quotes were taken out of context, and i'm getting tired of Harry/Hermione fans thinking that their pairing ever had a chance, JK Rowling NEVER WROTE THE FREAKING STORY TO EVER HINT AT HARRY/HERMIONE!!!!!!!
 
The difference between this and JKR'w work was JKR always wrote Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione from day one, If the novels ended with Harry/Hermione without changing the rest of the books then it would be sitting right next to the Naruto ending as the worst ending.
 
The biggest issue with the ending is the lack of development for the SS and N/H, that would have been exactly the same for H/H, they had no ROMANTIC development at all, everything between then was platonic. As far as I concerned H/Hr ending would essentially be exactly what Kishi did, changing the ending to satisfy the bigger fanbase for greed.

Oh no no Harry and hermione did have major romantic development. Many moments of caring between them and the quote was not taking out of context.

The fact you say Harry and Ginny had build up is absolutely hilarious . Ginny just like hinata was useless . Her only role in the novel was literally to have Harry's babies. That's it do not come in who this kitten that Harry and. Ginny was planned. Harry and Ginny can rout of nowhere in book 6 after Ginny was basically background and irrelevant prior to that book. All of a sudden Harry's got a beat in his chest when he sees ginny and dean kissing.

Gee what does that sound like? Oh yeah sounds like the beast naruto has when he sees hinata and Tamara. Naruhina is an exact copy of Harry Ginny all the way down to their incredibly poor development and the annoying stalkers that do Nothing the entire series get together with them in the end with no development .

Do not EVER say that Harry and Ginny was developed. Harry didn't even give her the time of day until book 6 where he miraculously started falling for her again what exactly does that sound like? Give you one guess, this story with the annoying stalker doing nothing gets the main character with no development at all.

Meanwhile he showed multiple times that he did care about hermione. Jk even said that it should have gone Harry and hermione but she had set up the other two from the beginning. She didn't let her characters evolve. She's said this and she regrets it.

I mean Harry is the one that went crazy when hermione got hurt in book 5 in the department of mysteries. Book 1-5 were building towards Harry and hermione especially book 5 with hints towards Ron and Luna as well when she gave him the necklace and he said she's growing on him. Ron and hermione continued to have development as well. Harry and Ginny had nothing , Ginny was background and even after book 6 where she had her forced ot she was once again shoved to the background till the epilogue that everybody in the Harry potter fandom hates and was widely rediculed.

[tricksie]

More importantly that opens up the possibility of AU's and Reboots where they can do shit correctly  

But frankly, I'd rather they just leave the catastrophe alone at this point, if they tried "Fixing it" Naruto will never have liked Sakura at all, Sakura would be replaced by Hinata all the way through and frankly my sensibilities couldn't handle it. 

 

I have wondered about that. Maybe in 7-10 years, after Kishimoto has had enough time away like JKR did, he can see things clearly. I would not be surprised if he released some 'unpublished' images of Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke happy together. And some of just Naruto and Sakura. You know he has to have them. He's an artist. He will have thousands of unused sketches. Anyway, it would be a passive way to express his opinion on a storyline that he had no power over in the end. 

 

I think back to ATLA too, after the movie came out. The creators (Mike and Bryan, can't remember their last names), had only polite comments when the movie aired. The rights were bought by M. Night Shamalan and there was zero they could do, whether they liked it or not. Now, I never heard that they didn't like the movie. Not once. They seem like they're decent guys and would do that...and they were surely getting a cut of the royalties. But it's just generally bad form to openly bash an extension of your own creation, now matter how much you cringe at it.

 

However, years later, when they were being interviewed during the previews of Legend of Korra, I remember someone asking them if they'd consider a movie or future projects. And they were very affirmative about keeping the rights to the movie this time. They framed it nicely, saying they wanted to have the opportunity to do future projects, movies, animated shorts, etc. But the message was clear, they weren't going to hand over complete creative control of future projects like that again.

 

So it will interesting to see if something ever comes out from Kishimoto in the future. Not too much comfort now, but it would be nice to know that somewhere deep down he wasn't pleased with how things turned out either.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

People shipped H/H because of Daniel and Emma, cause Harry and Ginny had Sooo much more in the books, but Ginny's actress in the movies... I just... don't like her.

Great point. Actors made alot to those characters.

[Narufan85]

Ginny is just like Hinata? She has no role but to have Harry's babies? Absolutely false and willingly ignoring factual stuff from the books.

But it's like someone (I think Tricksie said): H/G was never meant to be a focal point to the book. JKR actively kept Hermione as the main female character throughout the entire series. H/G was always going to get less development than that of the main trio.

[harry4e]

Oh no no Harry and hermione did have major romantic development. Many moments of caring between them and the quote was not taking out of context.

The fact you say Harry and Ginny had build up is absolutely hilarious . Ginny just like hinata was useless . Her only role in the novel was literally to have Harry's babies. That's it do not come in who this bullsh** that Harry and. Ginny was planned. Harry and Ginny can rout of nowhere in book 6 after Ginny was basically background and irrelevant prior to that book. All of a sudden Harry's got a beat in his chest when he sees ginny and dean kissing.

Gee what does that sound like? Oh yeah sounds like the beast naruto has when he sees hinata and Tamara. Naruhina is an exact copy of Harry Ginny all the way down to their incredibly poor development and the annoying stalkers that do Nothing the entire series get together with them in the end with no development .

Do not EVER say that Harry and Ginny was developed. Harry didn't even give her the time of day until book 6 where he miraculously started falling for her again what exactly does that sound like? Give you one guess, this story with the annoying stalker doing nothing gets the main character with no development at all.

Meanwhile he showed multiple times that he did care about hermione. Jk even said that it should have gone Harry and hermione but she had set up the other two from the beginning. She didn't let her characters evolve. She's said this and she regrets it.

I mean Harry is the one that went crazy when hermione got hurt in book 5 in the department of mysteries. Book 1-5 were building towards Harry and hermione especially book 5 with hints towards Ron and Luna as well when she gave him the necklace and he said she's growing on him. Ron and hermione continued to have development as well. Harry and Ginny had nothing , Ginny was background and even after book 6 where she had her forced ot she was once again shoved to the background till the epilogue that everybody in the Harry potter fandom hates and was widely rediculed.

 

Romantic? Really look at the Yule Ball, Ron was acting a Jealous prick, Harry didn't care one bit, he was too busy drooling over Cho, Ron was the jealous idiot when Corner showed interest in Hermione, Harry was too busy thinking his girlfriend was a crying immature girl,  he didn't care, Caring for someone doesn't mean romance, Harry and Hermione's relationship was shown as Platonic, it was the strongest bond from all the charactors but it was always of two siblings.

 

Harry loved Hermione, he wasn't in love with her, there is a difference, you want to talk about Crazy at the end of book two when Harry saw Ginny lie there almost dead, he lost it, and he didn't even know her. Harry and Hermione fan read love as IN Love.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Romantic? Really look at the Yule Ball, Ron was acting a Jealous prick, Harry didn't care one bit, he was too busy drooling over Cho, Ron was the jealous idiot when Corner showed interest in Hermione, Harry was too busy thinking his girlfriend was a crying immature girl,  he didn't care, Caring for someone doesn't mean romance, Harry and Hermione's relationship was shown as Platonic, it was the strongest bond from all the charactors but it was always of two siblings.

 

Harry loved Hermione, he wasn't in love with her, there is a difference, you want to talk about Crazy at the end of book two when Harry saw Ginny lie there almost dead, he lost it, and he didn't even know her. Harry and Hermione fan read love as IN Love.

And that's what could be changed to H/Hr, but we got what we got. 

[harry4e]

And that's what could be changed to H/Hr, but we got what we got. 

 

Yeah but that's how it was written, if Naruto and Sakura was written like that, with no blushing, asking out on dates, bonds that hinted at more, foreshawing using past generations, then I'd not have been so pissed off the pairing not happening.

 

I'm not so immature to think that a boy and girl can't have a strong bond and can only lead to romance, there is more than one form of love, Harry/Hermione was always shown as siblings, Naruto/Sakura was never shown as that, to try to tell us that was the case right at the end doesn't work, it has to be shown.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

 

Yeah but that's how it was written, if Naruto and Sakura was written like that, with no blushing, asking out on dates, bonds that hinted at more, foreshawing using past generations, then I'd not have been so pissed off the pairing not happening.

 

I'm not so immature to think that a boy and girl can't have a strong bond and can only lead to romance, there is more than one form of love, Harry/Hermione was always shown as siblings, Naruto/Sakura was never shown as that, to try to tell us that was the case right at the end doesn't work, it has to be shown.

Exactly the point! 

[Lady Lys]

Lemme 'Slytherin' the discussion.

 

I've been a Potter fan since I've picked up the first book when It was published (and of course translated), I was...probably seven or eight years old. 

We need to separate books from movies, and we need to do that pronto. Movies were good, actors were good, but movies will never ever ever ever replace the books.

In the books, and I feel I can say it safely because in this fandom I am a non-shipper (actually I am, but I only ship Jily), it has always been quite clear to me that the canon ships we got were the ones that mama Row always intended to, no deviation or anything, and I appreciate it very very much.

Apart from the fact that I adore Book Ron and mostly because his faults, insecurities and overall silliness, I can admit that Book Ron is almost certainly not Movie Ron, he's much dorkier and funnier in the books, just as much as Book Hermione is NOT (and I want to stress not) like Movie Hermione.

Nevertheless Harry and Hermione share one of the most beautiful bonds of all the series, maybe they are soul mates, but I never had the feeling that they should end up together, they work best as 'soul-bound-friends', their bond is perfect as it is, and maybe putting them in a relationship would have diminished it, at least imo.

 

Every time I see someone comparing Kishi to JK I die a little inside, she taught me to dream, to be inspired and I grew up with her books. She never betrayed her work and she created one of the most fantastic stories ever told (yes, I am that big of a fan). 

JK Rowling emphasized bonds, and not only romantic ones. She wrote of loyalty, of friendship, of courage and of love and her books will be the ones I'll read to my children when they'll go to bed at night.

She gave morals, beauty and magic to all children of the world, children that grew up with her books, waiting with baited breath for the next one to be published (God, I mss those times!!) and comparing her with Masashi Kishimoto (the man who ruined his whole work like that, and still has the gall to be all smiley) is blasphemous....

[Gaara's hair]

Lemme 'Slytherin' the discussion.

 

I've been a Potter fan since I've picked up the first book when It was published (and of course translated), I was...probably seven or eight years old. 

We need to separate books from movies, and we need to do that pronto. Movies were good, actors were good, but movies will never ever ever ever replace the books.

In the books, and I feel I can say it safely because in this fandom I am a non-shipper (actually I am, but I only ship Jily), it has always been quite clear to me that the canon ships we got were the ones that mama Row always intended to, no deviation or anything, and I appreciate it very very much.

Apart from the fact that I adore Book Ron and mostly because his faults, insecurities and overall silliness, I can admit that Book Ron is almost certainly not Movie Ron, he's much dorkier and funnier in the books, just as much as Book Hermione is NOT (and I want to stress not) like Movie Hermione.

Nevertheless Harry and Hermione share one of the most beautiful bonds of all the series, maybe they are soul mates, but I never had the feeling that they should end up together, they work best as 'soul-bound-friends', their bond is perfect as it is, and maybe putting them in a relationship would have diminished it, at least imo.

 

Every time I see someone comparing Kishi to JK I die a little inside, she taught me to dream, to be inspired and I grew up with her books. She never betrayed her work and she created one of the most fantastic stories ever told (yes, I am that big of a fan). 

JK Rowling emphasized bonds, and not only romantic ones. She wrote of loyalty, of friendship, of courage and of love and her books will be the ones I'll read to my children when they'll go to bed at night.

She gave morals, beauty and magic to all children of the world, children that grew up with her books, waiting with baited breath for the next one to be published (God, I mss those times!!) and comparing her with Masashi Kishimoto (the man who ruined his whole work like that, and still has the gall to be all smiley) is blasphemous....

DEMIGOD OF PASTA IS HERE!!!

: D

[thiagoSPTN]

Lemme 'Slytherin' the discussion.

 

I've been a Potter fan since I've picked up the first book when It was published (and of course translated), I was...probably seven or eight years old. 

We need to separate books from movies, and we need to do that pronto. Movies were good, actors were good, but movies will never ever ever ever replace the books.

In the books, and I feel I can say it safely because in this fandom I am a non-shipper (actually I am, but I only ship Jily), it has always been quite clear to me that the canon ships we got were the ones that mama Row always intended to, no deviation or anything, and I appreciate it very very much.

Apart from the fact that I adore Book Ron and mostly because his faults, insecurities and overall silliness, I can admit that Book Ron is almost certainly not Movie Ron, he's much dorkier and funnier in the books, just as much as Book Hermione is NOT (and I want to stress not) like Movie Hermione.

Nevertheless Harry and Hermione share one of the most beautiful bonds of all the series, maybe they are soul mates, but I never had the feeling that they should end up together, they work best as 'soul-bound-friends', their bond is perfect as it is, and maybe putting them in a relationship would have diminished it, at least imo.

 

Every time I see someone comparing Kishi to JK I die a little inside, she taught me to dream, to be inspired and I grew up with her books. She never betrayed her work and she created one of the most fantastic stories ever told (yes, I am that big of a fan). 

JK Rowling emphasized bonds, and not only romantic ones. She wrote of loyalty, of friendship, of courage and of love and her books will be the ones I'll read to my children when they'll go to bed at night.

She gave morals, beauty and magic to all children of the world, children that grew up with her books, waiting with baited breath for the next one to be published (God, I mss those times!!) and comparing her with Masashi Kishimoto (the man who ruined his whole work like that, and still has the gall to be all smiley) is blasphemous....

 

*claps*

[Lady Lys]

DEMIGOD OF PASTA IS HERE!!!

: D

It's pizza for tonight TBH!

 

Still, maybe I'm the Demigod of carbohydrates? Or the Demigod of Italian Food? 

 

;D

[trang95]

Lemme 'Slytherin' the discussion.

 

I've been a Potter fan since I've picked up the first book when It was published (and of course translated), I was...probably seven or eight years old. 

We need to separate books from movies, and we need to do that pronto. Movies were good, actors were good, but movies will never ever ever ever replace the books.

In the books, and I feel I can say it safely because in this fandom I am a non-shipper (actually I am, but I only ship Jily), it has always been quite clear to me that the canon ships we got were the ones that mama Row always intended to, no deviation or anything, and I appreciate it very very much.

Apart from the fact that I adore Book Ron and mostly because his faults, insecurities and overall silliness, I can admit that Book Ron is almost certainly not Movie Ron, he's much dorkier and funnier in the books, just as much as Book Hermione is NOT (and I want to stress not) like Movie Hermione.

Nevertheless Harry and Hermione share one of the most beautiful bonds of all the series, maybe they are soul mates, but I never had the feeling that they should end up together, they work best as 'soul-bound-friends', their bond is perfect as it is, and maybe putting them in a relationship would have diminished it, at least imo.

 

Every time I see someone comparing Kishi to JK I die a little inside, she taught me to dream, to be inspired and I grew up with her books. She never betrayed her work and she created one of the most fantastic stories ever told (yes, I am that big of a fan). 

JK Rowling emphasized bonds, and not only romantic ones. She wrote of loyalty, of friendship, of courage and of love and her books will be the ones I'll read to my children when they'll go to bed at night.

She gave morals, beauty and magic to all children of the world, children that grew up with her books, waiting with baited breath for the next one to be published (God, I mss those times!!) and comparing her with Masashi Kishimoto (the man who ruined his whole work like that, and still has the gall to be all smiley) is blasphemous....

best Harry Potter description I've read so far T_T

I've recently only read all books (that's a blasphemy in itself), and to be honest, I never cared about the romance anyways. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that I already knew the cannon couples in the end. At least that allowed me to focus on the storyline itself more. JKR did a fantastic job, and I love Harry Potter and everyone of the characters. It really is a shame to compare a magical series to a shounen series that disappointed us so greatly in the end.

Edited by trang95, 26 November 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

It's pizza for tonight TBH!

 

Still, maybe I'm the Demigod of carbohydrates? Or the Demigod of Italian Food? 

 

;D

I love pizza

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