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[Askia31]

Wow, that's pretty heartless marketing...

The fandom trolls deserve to be trolled by the marketing (I myself will neither troll them nor advocate that others do), but I don't think the entire NH/SS fanbase does.

Just like the NS fandom didnt deserve to get trolled with Kishi acting as if their bond didn't exist to begin with. And movie will troll NS some more by pretending naruto only had a ''faint'' love for Sakura. yeah i couldnt give a kitten about that.

[DeathGodMack]

actually the marketing (If NH/SS is canon ..80% chances)
is poor
cuz Non-shippers won't be that interested & NS/SK ...I don't think!!

Kishi must have made 700 an OE to atleast keep his fans in suspense

but The movie is nothing like that now cuz we already know what is canon

The Movie will show narusaku. Its a ploy by kish and sp to make more money. Make people think it will show nh/ss,so  they will go see the movie, Then when it turns out to be NS we will go see the movie. So double the money.

[questdrivencollie]

Just like the NS fandom didnt deserve to get trolled with Kishi acting as if their bond didn't exist to begin with. And movie will troll NS some more by pretending naruto only had a ''faint'' love for Sakura. yeah i couldnt give a kitten about that.

I have to say after the ending I have zero interest in the movie, since it is just an attempt to justify the ending.

 

I will be waiting for the reaction to the movie after it comes out, though. This thread has me intrigued.

[Princess Iris]

The Movie will show narusaku. Its a ploy by kish and sp to make more money. Make people think it will show nh/ss,so  they will go see the movie, Then when it turns out to be NS we will go see the movie. So double the money.

b..but that kittening review about faint love

Yeah, that was rubbish to me but the movie website retweeted that ...
What the kittening actual kitten!!

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

there is a filler where they know each other

 

For real? I musta missed it! X-D I mean, I know Sakura had been observing him with her mom or dad when all the villagers stared him down in Shippuden when Naruto told Sakura he was a Jinchuriki.

[DeathGodMack]

b..but that kittening review about faint love

Yeah, that was rubbish to me but the movie website retweeted that ...
What the kittening actual kitten!!

Yes fait Naruhina love. 

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 7 2013, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters. 

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

 

[Qia]

Agreed.

 

I have a question though... if you really think this is a genjutsu... doesn't that mean the main character FAILED? It means he never became hokage.   

No it doesn't. It just means he'll accomplish this in the movie. It's pretty much a  given he will be eventually, after Kakashi. 

[Princess Iris]

Yes fait Naruhina love.02
QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 7 2013, 05:43 AM)02<{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.02

"I¡¯m not sure if I said this before, but I¡¯ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He¡¯s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I¡¯ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they¡¯re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that¡¯s exactly what happened. He¡¯s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I¡¯ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn¡¯t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata¡¯s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don¡¯t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura¡¯s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata¡¯s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don¡¯t want this to happen. First, I¡¯ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn¡¯t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I¡¯ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don¡¯t fall for the feint.
02

this one is quite convincing but epilogue being a troll..umm..


actually I'm going thru a situation where I'm in both sides


ie..I have hope for NS but the fact that last chapter was epilogue makes me think


Could an epilogue be a troll??



and yep, somethimg that confuses me is

When the movie was announced, it was told that it is an epilogue

but later they revealed it's just like gap filling?????
They changed their mind

[Tiller]

I have to say after the ending I have zero interest in the movie, since it is just an attempt to justify the ending.

 

I will be waiting for the reaction to the movie after it comes out, though. This thread has me intrigued.

I'm don't have interst in it either. I'm not even sure I would if a complete turn around happen and NS came about. Kishi has just written way to many bad things lately, and the truth is he choose to devide his base, well having the SS/NH side of the fandom keep him floating finically. NS/SN/pairing neautrals and the like just aren't going to care, and I hope we just don't support this film.

 

I hear all the time how powerful and popular NH and SS are, well let them prove it, they can carry Kishimoto's water. I'm not giving him a dime.

[DeathGodMack]

I'm don't have interst in it either. I'm not even sure I would if a complete turn around happen and NS came about. Kishi has just written way to many bad things lately, and the truth is he choose to devide his base, well having the SS/NH side of the fandom keep him floating finically. NS/SN/pairing neautrals and the like just aren't going to care, and I hope we just don't support this film.

 

I hear all the time how powerful and popular NH and SS are, well let them prove it, they can carry Kishimoto's water. I'm not giving him a dime.

It depends on if chatte and the others are correct or not. I hope they are.

Edited by DeathGodMack, 15 November 2014 - 06:46 AM.

[Sherry]

I'm a wanderer here and I just read your awesome comments of how NS was actually meant to be. Although some things are still confusing because the movie hasn't come out, I'm waiting for your theory, Chatte. It will be super awesome I'm sure.

 

Thank you guys for showing some hopes of NS, for those were things I didn't found before.

 

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[M E E S H O O]

If this theory is correct, the Bolt and Sarada resemble Eren and Mikasa .

[Hokage Sennin]

If we assume that Bolt is Naruto and Sakura's child, this can explain his whiskers, if it's not an inheritable trait:

 

 

Edit: If it turns out to be the case, expect Himawari to be Toneri's daughter.

Edited by Hokage Sennin, 15 November 2014 - 11:16 AM.

[DeathGodMack]

I'm don't have interst in it either. I'm not even sure I would if a complete turn around happen and NS came about. Kishi has just written way to many bad things lately, and the truth is he choose to devide his base, well having the SS/NH side of the fandom keep him floating finically. NS/SN/pairing neautrals and the like just aren't going to care, and I hope we just don't support this film.

 

I hear all the time how powerful and popular NH and SS are, well let them prove it, they can carry Kishimoto's water. I'm not giving him a dime.

When Hinata got her butt handed to her by Pain, that was a straw that broke the camels back moment for Naruto. Kishimoto could have literally put any character in her place and the result would have been the same; a friend of Naruto's get's taken down by the guy who killed his sensei/godfather and 2/3 of Konoha resulting in too much Kurama chakra coming through Naruto's weakening seal. 
(The fact his seal had been in a constant state of deterioration prior to his meeting Kushina often goes overlooked by the NH crowd) When we look at the Shukaku fight, Naruto not only mentions saving Sakura more times than Konoha, he crawls on his chin to make sure she is safe. 

The handhold with Hinata served two purposes; to transfer chakra (he also holds Shikamaru's hand in the exact same way as Hinata's, then proceeds to give everyone handclaps - again to transfer chakra) and to give her character closure. Hinata wanted to hold Naruto's hand and stand by his side as an equal. She acomplished that. And really, if a handhold means THAT much, well, Sakura has HInata beat. Many times, Naruto would hold Sakura's hand and vice versa as they hurried each other through towns and trees. And hugs trump handholds anyway. More personal. Sakura has gotten way more hugs than Hinata. 

The slap to Naruto's cheek by Hinata is really an epic fail on the part of NH fans. They seem to praise Hinata for her physical violance against Naruto yet they bemoan Sakura for it (forgetting she is a Tsundere type just like Kushina). That is hypocrisy. Ignoring that, Sakura has Hinata beat on firsts with this as well. Long before Hinata, Sakura smacked naruto on the cheek to remind him of who he was. 

That's literally about all the "development" between Naruto and Hinata thus far. Now, all Hinata has left to do is make good on her words not to pursue Naruto anymore. 
We of course have the parallels that so many NH fans complain about yet use themselves. NaruSaku is a blantant parallel to not only Minato and Kushina but Sakura's parent's as well. Sakura's father is a goofball like Naruto and her mother is more-so serious like Sakura. Of the films done, Kishi had the most creative control of Road to Ninja and he filled the entire movie with obvious examples of the similarities between the couples. 
In manga, we have Kushina ask Naruto to stay away from weird girls. Naruto calls Hinata weird. She asks him to not fall for the first girl that comes his way. Hinata is actually the first girl to come his way. All other times, he has gone to Sakura. 
Finally, She asks him to find a woman like her to love. (Sorry NH fans but she never said "find a woman like Minato to love" so that whole Naruto=Kushina and Hinata=Minato thing you rant about is really invalid) 
Saku and Kush both have the same fiery, caring, hates to lose attitudes. They both use verbal expressive when excited (Dattebane/Shannaro) as well as identical phycial expressions such as the bicep flex. Both fit the scarey mom troups used heavily in the series (Anko, Ayame, Ino, Ino's mom, Sakura's mom, Tsunade, Kurenai, Shika's mom, and so on) Both had physical aspects they were picked on over. The first boy to compliment Kushina's hair was Minato, the first to compliment Sakura's forehead was Naruto. Both womean started out not liking their blondes. Kushina admits to treating Minato exactly as Sakura treated Naruto. She also says he grew on her and she eventually came to love him. 

The Iron Country confession shows that Naruto wasn't upset about Sakura saying she cared about him, it was because of what she said about Sasuke. When she tries to kill the Uchiha, she is saved by Naruto paralleling how Minato saved Kushina from the Uchiha trying to kill her. 

Other characters have noted the closesness of NaruSaku. Iruka, Tsunade, Jiraiya, Yamato, Sai, and even Sasuke have all made remarks. The most telling though was Minato who asked if Sakura was Naruto's GF. He agreed she was and she didn't deny it. Minato then notes how similar Sakura is to Kushina. Now, Minato knows about medic nins. He also states he knows all of what Naruto has gone through. There is only one reson why he would ask if Sakura is his GF and not just a friend or medic nin. And since Naruto hates liars and those who joke about love, there is no reason he;d lie or joke to his father.

[Askia31]

If we assume that Bolt is Naruto and Sakura's child, this can explain his whiskers, if it's not an inheritable trait:

 

 

If it turns out to be the case, expect Himawari to be Toneri's son.

meh, i think its just better to assume that whiskers can inherited, that would fit with Kishi's logic...aka none.

[Liu bie]

 

For real? I musta missed it! X-D I mean, I know Sakura had been observing him with her mom or dad when all the villagers stared him down in Shippuden when Naruto told Sakura he was a Jinchuriki.

episode 314 filler:

 

http://www.tumblr.co...rch/episode 314

[Mikey1181]

 

Naruto chess pieces. I don't see Hinata     

 

 

Edit: They're from 2013 so i'm not sure if they could still be relevant.. But then again they began producing the movie earlier, right? 

Edited by Mikey1181, 15 November 2014 - 07:59 AM.

[airongstring]

 

Naruto chess pieces. I don't see Hinata     

 

 

Edit: They're from 2013 so i'm not sure if they could still be relevant.. But then again they began producing the movie earlier, right? 

 

Nice!! Sakura is Queen, while Naruto is the King.

[soshi]

b..but that kittening review about faint love

Yeah, that was rubbish to me but the movie website retweeted that ...
What the kittening actual kitten!!

how the hell can kishi tell fait love to a relationship that has developed in 698 chapters and true love for tow couples theat interacted to little in the manga?Not to mention that ss was not developed at all? These people are retarded? haw can piple bilive theat shet it's beyond me

[lupina]

They are Naruto's influence. Naruto was born without Kyubi and he still had whiskers.

 

Because Kushina (THE MOTHER, former Jinchuriki) had him inside his womb and the chakra got onto him. 

That's why he had whiskers. It's also explained in the Databook.

For Bolt and Himawari to have whiskers Hinata must've been the Jinchuriki during her pregnancy.