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#13701 ALEX SENJU

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:49 PM

naruto leaving the village seems a possible theory and it kinda make sense  .hats off for the one who did it and also for the members here who went deep in it :thumb:

 

i dont know is someone said it yet  but  do u guys think the reason naruto leaves the village because sasuke gave naruto like 3-4 years  to see if the 5 nations keep the peace or not. if not then he will go with his plane  . thats why naruto will go to the 5 nations to make the peace deeper and protect it ? 

 

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WOW, great insight. I think that that is very plausible especially since i dont see naruto's TNJ really working completely on sasuke, so more of an agreement between the two would make more sense.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:50 PM

No news, so it is calm.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:50 PM

People turned their backs on Hagoromo's teachings because there was no one to carry them on, they were forgotten. That was originally Ashura's role, but Indra's jealousy ended up getting the both of them killed. Had Indra not been an ass, Hagoromo's teachings might not have been forgotten. This is demonstrated with Jiraiya. Jiraiya died, but his teachings were passed down to Naruto. However, Naruto didn't die before he passed on his "teachings" to everyone else. The 5 Kage and and the alliance accepted Naruto's ideals. That is already a huge step above what Hagoromo was able to get Ashura to do apparently. Now, instead of Hagoromo being the pillar on his own, Naruto was able to get that ideal across to all the significant people in the world, all it takes is for them to pass it on as well, which is feasible.

Economics is easier than getting a bunch of competing countries to cooperate, so that can be dealt with later.

Had he given it to Ashura, Indra would have been jealous and probably would have found a way to try to get it from Ashura. Had Indra received the Juubi, he would have cast the IT, just like he wanted to. Creating the bijuu was the best option, because it would scatter the power of the Juubi so that it would be harder to resurrect.

We haven't been given Naruto's plan yet aside from fostering cooperation, so it isn't fair to assume that his plan is based on idealistic words.

But that's the thing. Sasuke's plan is the furthest thing from viable, since it has no credibility. It is reliant on a scenario that no longer exists, the backbone of his plans has zero viability.

Nothing stated that Indra and Ashura had anything to do with everyone else going full stupid once Hagoromo died.

Also, splitting the Bijuu made nothing harder considering the likes of Madara and Hashirama, the reincarnations who had the power to awaken the Rinnegan and revive the Juubi, could subdue the nine Bijuu in a matter of minutes.

It was a stupid idea because instead of a single chakra behemoth sealed whitin a leader figure, he made nine chakra behemoths and left them to wander without any given purpose.

If he had put the Juubi in Ashura, Indra would have kittented on his pants as he would never be a match to him in the first place. Peace would have remained because Ashura would be left to preach his ideals unchallenged.

As other people pointed out, Hags gave half his power and a Rinnegan to a sociopath who openly admitted in his face he was gonna use it to kill Naruto and expected things to turn out fine.

We can't really argue positively about his judge of character.

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:58 PM

Nothing stated that Indra and Ashura had anything to do with everyone else going full stupid once Hagoromo died.

Also, splitting the Bijuu made nothing harder considering the likes of Madara and Hashirama, the reincarnations who had the power to awaken the Rinnegan and revive the Juubi could subdue the nine Bijuu in a matter of minutes.

It was a stupid idea because instead of a single chakra behemoth sealed whitin a leader figure, he made nine chakra behemoths and left them to wander without any given purpose.

If he had put the Juubi in Ashura, Indra would have kittented on his pants as he would never be a match to him in the first place. Peace would have remained because Ashura would be left to preach his ideals unchallenged.

As other people pointed out, Hags gave half his power and a Rinnegan to a sociopath who openly admitted in his face he was gonna use it to kill Naruto and expected things to turn out fine.

We can't really argue positively about his judge of character.

No one can argue the fact that the sage is stupid for giving sasuke the power up, but regarding the juubi/bijuu's im willing to bet that no matter which choice he made someone would have attempted to take advantage of that power. even if he would have passed down the juubi to ashura somewhere down the line of juubi jinchuuriki's someone would of gone mad with the power or something else would of gone wrong.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:26 PM

i predict new info tomorrow :smug:



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:28 PM

At this point, you should really let the manga do the talking. I mean we can talk about looks and whatever they throw at us, but thinking outside of it is something we should avoid. We're calmed now but for how long, I don't know.

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:48 PM

I dunno but I have a feeling that there will be a huge kitten and I just don't wanna see a kitten again.At least not in this site.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:49 PM

I dunno but I have a feeling that there will be a huge sh*tstorm and I just don't wanna see a sh*tstorm again.At least not in this site.

In a weird sense, I feel empowered somehow. I have a feeling that kitten is going to be in our favor. I just have a feeling things are going to work out for us.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:50 PM

Maybe that necklace is a gift from Naruto to Sakura like Hashirama's necklace that resonated with the Bijuu's chakra, aka Mito and as well, Minato's sign to Kushina, so that whenever they are in danger, the other one can notice that?
 
With Hashirama and Mito was via the necklace. With Minato and Kushina via the markings... maybe with Naruto and Sakura is gonna be via the neckalce indeed...

That or...

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:54 PM

In a weird sense, I feel empowered somehow. I have a feeling that sh*tstorm is going to be in our favor. I just have a feeling things are going to work out for us.

I hope you're right.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:43 PM

No one can argue the fact that the sage is stupid for giving sasuke the power up, but regarding the juubi/bijuu's im willing to bet that no matter which choice he made someone would have attempted to take advantage of that power. even if he would have passed down the juubi to ashura somewhere down the line of juubi jinchuuriki's someone would of gone mad with the power or something else would of gone wrong.


If the problem was the Juubi being too powerful to live he could have done like Sasuke and sent his parts to orbit were someone without a Rinnegan couldn't reach them, he didn't even need to give them consciousness.

He just traded a big monster only his clan fought for by a bunch of monsters everyone fought for.

Sasuke might be insane but his idea makes sense based on facts.

Itachi murdered his family to create peace and everyone praises him as a hero while everyone who hated each other two days ago only banded together because Madara's name got them kittening in their pants.

If the name of a criminal could lead the world into unity then having his eternal shadow should make this peace a long lasting one.

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:47 PM

If the problem was the Juubi being too powerful to live he could have done like Sasuke and sent his parts to orbit were someone without a Rinnegan couldn't reach them, he didn't even need to give them consciousness.

He just traded a big monster only his clan fought for by a bunch of monsters everyone fought for.

Sasuke might be insane but his idea makes sense based on facts.

Itachi murdered his family to create peace and everyone praises him as a hero while everyone who hated each other two days ago only banded together because Madara's name got them sh**ting in their pants.

If the name of a criminal could lead the world into unity then having his eternal shadow should make this peace a long lasting one.

 

Yes, Sasuke's thoughts make sense... in reality. But this is not Reality, this is Naruto! And ergo, all logic falls before the might of Talk no Jutsu and the power of Friendship. Therefore, Naruto's way shall win out. Or at the most, a compromise will be made. Personally I could see Sasuke easily playing the darkness to Naruto's light. Naruto would be the driving force that everyone looks up to, and when threats happen, if Naruto doesn't know about them Sasuke will deal with them swiftly and quietly, like Danzo



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:56 PM

If the problem was the Juubi being too powerful to live he could have done like Sasuke and sent his parts to orbit were someone without a Rinnegan couldn't reach them, he didn't even need to give them consciousness.

He just traded a big monster only his clan fought for by a bunch of monsters everyone fought for.

Sasuke might be insane but his idea makes sense based on facts.

Itachi murdered his family to create peace and everyone praises him as a hero while everyone who hated each other two days ago only banded together because Madara's name got them sh**ting in their pants.

If the name of a criminal could lead the world into unity then having his eternal shadow should make this peace a long lasting one.

And what of the people who wish not to be ruled by Sasuke's hand? There will always be men like Sasuke that believe that control is the only way to achieve world peace, but soon find that their subjects start to fight back. No matter how weak they all seem, they will always fight back. One day, someone will be strong enough to break Sasuke and end what he has created. Someone will always be there to fight. So you can't stop it no matter what.

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:57 PM

tnj is the ultimate problem solver, just ask pein.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:17 PM

If the problem was the Juubi being too powerful to live he could have done like Sasuke and sent his parts to orbit were someone without a Rinnegan couldn't reach them, he didn't even need to give them consciousness.

He just traded a big monster only his clan fought for by a bunch of monsters everyone fought for.

Sasuke might be insane but his idea makes sense based on facts.

Itachi murdered his family to create peace and everyone praises him as a hero while everyone who hated each other two days ago only banded together because Madara's name got them sh**ting in their pants.

If the name of a criminal could lead the world into unity then having his eternal shadow should make this peace a long lasting one.

Thats true i guess it probably would have worked if he sealed the juubi away. But sasukes idea of being the eternal enemy doesnt make any sense. the kages and nations are finally working together after fighting together the different villages now understand and respect eachother.

 

 

Yes, Sasuke's thoughts make sense... in reality. But this is not Reality, this is Naruto! And ergo, all logic falls before the might of Talk no Jutsu and the power of Friendship. Therefore, Naruto's way shall win out. Or at the most, a compromise will be made. Personally I could see Sasuke easily playing the darkness to Naruto's light. Naruto would be the driving force that everyone looks up to, and when threats happen, if Naruto doesn't know about them Sasuke will deal with them swiftly and quietly, like Danzo

lol this is so true. The name of the series is NARUTO so obviously naruto's idealism will win out. GO TNJ!!!!!  :lol:


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:32 PM

Nothing stated that Indra and Ashura had anything to do with everyone else going full stupid once Hagoromo died.
Also, splitting the Bijuu made nothing harder considering the likes of Madara and Hashirama, the reincarnations who had the power to awaken the Rinnegan and revive the Juubi, could subdue the nine Bijuu in a matter of minutes.
It was a stupid idea because instead of a single chakra behemoth sealed whitin a leader figure, he made nine chakra behemoths and left them to wander without any given purpose.
If he had put the Juubi in Ashura, Indra would have kittented on his pants as he would never be a match to him in the first place. Peace would have remained because Ashura would be left to preach his ideals unchallenged.
As other people pointed out, Hags gave half his power and a Rinnegan to a sociopath who openly admitted in his face he was gonna use it to kill Naruto and expected things to turn out fine.
We can't really argue positively about his judge of character.


Indra would have done the same thing that Madara did; wait until his main threat was out of the way, then set his plan in motion. The reason he gave Sasuke power, as misguided as it was, was because he believed in Naruto's ability to reach Sasuke, which he told Kakashi.

Sasuke's plan is stupid and makes zero sense, the only party it would make a lick of sense to is Sasuke, because he would be the top dog. He isn't garnering a plan of peace, he's trying to oppress, which leads to conflict and strife. He needs to grow up.

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 11:42 PM

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 11:49 PM

@only naruto
I'm chelsea fan, what make you think I'm Liverpool fan?

Nay for school rumble ending.

What are you talking about? It's the best ending we can all ask for.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 12:02 AM

liverpool 0 - real madrid 3

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 12:04 AM

Well...

Idealism only works because Kishimoto forces everything Naruto does to work out ridiculously easily despite the villains pointing out the realistic flaws to his lack of an answear.

To me Sasuke always came across as the guy he can't convince of his path, the guy who he can influence but who always remains on a different path to compliment his own.

If wasn't for Sasuke killing out Danzo then this whole Alliance would have failed before it even started.

I don't say that Sasuke should have his way and dictate the world from the shadows but I say that having him around playing the role of opposition to the Shinobi countries will certainly help keep them together until their bonds stick.

Let's not forget that they were allied just for two days and don't say economy doesn't matter because it was the primary reason they and past societies kept going into war in the first place.

If they don't stop being mercenary nations then only a shadow power can keep them in check from going against each other.





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