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[Syn11]

 

just that the statement was kind of extreme XD

Theres rumors that the last chapter is really long so you never know

Nah, putting everything in the last chapter will make it forced... and unconvincing.

[Gojira]

Nah, putting everything in the last chapter will make it forced... and unconvincing.

Its Kishi.

Besides there really shouldnt be a realization scene

[AHK]

Nah, putting everything in the last chapter will make it forced... and unconvincing.

It'll probably span over the course of the next two chapters, with the final resolution occurring in the last one. She might wake up in the next one, have dialogue with Kakashi in the one after, then be resolved in the final chapter.

[Syn11]

Its Kishi.

Besides there really shouldnt be a realization scene

We need a Sakura's realization or Naruto's confession scene for NS to be... something to believe in. If we do not get one, well, NH and SS, or rather our own insecurities, will continue pestering us for eternity.

 

The final accord is a must. I love this AMV. It portrays NS so beautifully.

 

It'll probably span over the course of the next two chapters, with the final resolution occurring in the last one. She might wake up in the next one, have dialogue with Kakashi in the one after, then be resolved in the final chapter.

I really hope so...

Edited by Syn11, 16 October 2014 - 05:24 PM.

[Gojira]

We need a Sakura's realization or Naruto's confession scene for NS to be... something to believe in. If we do not get one, well, NH and SS will continue pestering us for eternity.
 

We need a final accord. I love this AMV. It portrays NS so beautifully.

Im pretty sure Naruto will confess but theres nothing left for Sakura to realize, her feelings for him have been kept in the dark for a reason, wat I really want to know is what that other word Kakahi used me as means

[Miiami]

I think we will see Sakura right before last chapter and in last chapter we will probably see others as well. Or she might appear in last chapter :s

[JILLNYN]

guys the discussion we had on the thread of movie we follow here:

 

I feel that Kishi always anticipated the conflict and drama of a subplot chapters before ... a character makes an approach on the emotional state of his characters and comparing them in the past and the plot continues to develop this approach to reach a conclusion

we are talking about 675 in Kakashi line:  "even Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke these are on a completely different level, she wants to save him because it is her duty" "she is that kind of girl ...

What does the duty in romantic feelings ?, love is not subject to duties, the duty is used when there is a moral and ethical responsibility.

The duty is based on work by the principles of morality, justice or his own conscience. In ethics, duty is commonly associated with consciousness, reason, righteousness, law and moral virtue.

Regardless of Sakura feelings she is a heroine she is compassionate "that kind of girl" used by Kakashi those words are also used by Kishimoto with Sakura when talking about a good-hearted compassionate woman.

693 Kakashi again refer to this reflection, and said "she does not want be yours she only want to save you" and then Sasuke thinks of his family, if the context was this romantic this scene is contradictory, Sasuke relates Team 7 as their family has done in all those flashback when he think in his bonds with team 7.

Now in the 693 Sakura says she feels pathetic for not being able to do anything, like the 297 when she is crying about not being able to do anything for Naruto then Sakura is unhappy about her inability to help them, loves them both but the big difference is that she knows Naruto, she loves Naruto for who he is, while Sasuke loves what she thought he was in the past, which is why she has been able to help Naruto successfully, this it is actually in reality foundation, and this love is selfless, never was her duty, Naruto becoming Hokage has become in her dream, and this is not her duty to her, this love is that the other person be happy. (true love and care if you asked me)

 

 

 

 

[tonga1]

So much insecurity in this thread

nah, just tired

[luffyq1]

I think we will see Sakura right before last chapter and in last chapter we will probably see others as well. Or she might appear in last chapter :s

she'll probably wake up when all the other shinobi wake up too.

[Miiami]

she'll probably wake up when all the other shinobi wake up too.

That might also happen. Kishimoto got her out of the way for a reason, because it's all about Naruto-kun and Sauce-chan.

[Raiton]

If NS doesn't become canon... I will create a time machine, I don't know how or even if it's possible, but I will f***ing create it. Go back in time, go to japan and force Kishi to make it canon.

Anyway... Sakura please wake up! xD

Everyone is waiting for her reaction and hopefully Kakashi will talk to her about that promise.

[Inferno180]

Well at this point I would believe ns would get a moment for anything among the ending in the manga, rather than outright going official because if this limited time, but it would still go canon in the movie.

As for this certain reason, one thing struck me as why this may just be a setup for the conflicts in the movie, it's what naruto said this chapter at the end, he wanted to beat Sasuke, but not the one in the state he is now my thought is that the big event before the 39 page ending chapter would be that Sasuke is repelled but doesn't beat naruto in the current situation, rather he would do it in the way we may see in the movie.

[Menma]

Well at this point I would believe ns would get a moment for anything among the ending in the manga, rather than outright going official because if this limited time, but it would still go canon in the movie.

As for this certain reason, one thing struck me as why this may just be a setup for the conflicts in the movie, it's what naruto said this chapter at the end, he wanted to beat Sasuke, but not the one in the state he is now my thought is that the big event before the 39 page ending chapter would be that Sasuke is repelled but doesn't beat naruto in the current situation, rather he would do it in the way we may see in the movie.

 

Depends on how much faith you have for kishi.

 

I could imagine Sakura wakes up, and ABSOLUTELY HAS NO CHANGE OF HEART, thereby erasing 699 chapters worth of character development.

 

Best not to keep expectations too high. I'm preparing for the manga to end where Sasuke is still a useless arrogant prick, Naruto still trying to "get him back", and Sakura still "unsure about her feelings" for dear Sasuke-kun. They are 16 year old kids.

 

But if kishi just shows Sakura having some kind of change in her feelings, we can hope the time skip will make it work and there's a good ending in the last.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well that's what I'm saying. It all lies on this battle. In more ways than one.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I have a feeling that forehead comment will come I to play especially if we get a OVA scene, that might be what Naruto says to her as he touches her face.

[Liu bie]

NO NS this week. Sakura was shown only in a childhood flashback. Boring. If there's no Sakura in the next chapter... well, I really doubt we will have a realization scene.

Agree. For me this week if Sakura was not in this chapter there is not realization. But still we got OVA hope.

Edited by Liu bie, 16 October 2014 - 09:16 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

That moment when NH fans are more secure than some of you guys pls

[Inferno180]

Rather just due to the craziness of the love subplot:

 

You have Naruto loving Sakura and Sakura becoming the best of friends with him, all the development and even some mutual moments where she herself is giving naruto the feelings. Yet she loves Sasuke for the most void of reasons no one can understand.

 

You have Hinata loving Naruto and it got some development, but its been too infrequent and Naruto still loves Sakura and sadly most fans think Hinata should be with naruto simply because she is Hinata.

 

Then you have SS, the absolute mess, the only pairing confirmed to not happen, yet its fans believe it will occur, even when sasuke himself outright said he has no interest in her nor could see what she saw in him, he himself being the central problem for SS, let alone the entire fact of part 2 has been practically nothing but antagonism and attempted murder and mental torture, fans still somehow think Sasuke has hidden feelings, thinking he is extra crptypic and hiding something or hiding his real feelings and that the land of iron and the 693 stuff were on different motives, not what he was outright doing or saying, my god seriously, I mean love has a limit, but SS takes the absurdity cake, to even think after all this it would be meaningful as the end pairing, its just, pure lunacy, pure and simple. Even Sasuke himself, what kishi said, is pure, he thinks what he does is right according to him, he speaks what he means, and so when he said he doesn't love Sakura, he outright means, he doesn't freaking love her and doesn't have any purpose, reason, motive, etc. Sasuke may be important on Sakuras character, even by antagonism, but Sakura is in no way even remotely important to Sasukes character.

 

So take your pick for the end pairing you think makes sense:

 

NS the one left as friendship with the most development and detailed with reasons for why it just couldn't occur with sasuke gone (457), and Sakura growing and doing more and growing closer to naruto, even having moments where she herself gave the mutual reception (450, 663 on the memories of his dream). Not to mention all the Kushina stuff that was put alongside Sakura for many hints.

 

Nh the infrequent once every 50 chapters one, even when Hinata has not been re confronted with the stuff of her confession or neji dying, did naruto change and if people can find a justifiable reason beyond her having large boobs or loving naruto, I don't see why this infrequent flawed one should have a chance to be canon. Hell give me a reason for why her dream with naruto from the genjutsu should come true and others like Lee and Ino should be ignored.

 

Or SS, the mess, the everything love shouldn't be, the antagonism in its finest, the one where people act crazy and say Sasuke has a deeper meaning and really loves her from the attempted killings and mental torture, and calling her annoying all the time.

 

I know kishi is had questionable writing from time to time, but seriously, if SS were to go canon, even after 693, thats just the stupidest love subplot ever, I mean really really stupid, like beyond 4th grader fanfiction stupid, I mean, its just been so negative, its been so empty, its been even spoken by sasuke himself he doesnt like her nor see what she sees in him, any fan can see Sakura has a positive relationship with naruto and not sasuke and yet why would people predict or even think this would happen? SS doesnt compute but fans going into fandumb will still try to make a case out of it.

 

I mean kishi has had strange points in his writing, but seriously, I don't see any love, from any other fictional series or based off some cultural basis even from japans history to merit some absurd love where it was so hostile and negative for a long time, it turns to this. No, love is a complicated emotion, it can be used many ways in a fictional series, but even then it has a limit to when its absurd, its stupid, and its just downright a failure as the theme of love. Love is not negativity, its not threats and attempted killings, love is positive, mutual, and beneficial, its about caring for others. Naruto and Sakura care for each other, Sakura cares for Sasuke, but Sasuke gives no kitten to Sakura and doens't care. He cares about naruto for the fact of the conflicts and similarities, but he gives no crap about Sakura, and seriously, fans still believe he likes her and just acts like he doesn't?

 

God, nothing can make SS believable or reasonable, its dead and I don't know why people still insistently believe it will occur, even when sasuke himself said he doesn't care....

 

I mean Sakura cried over finding out naruto loved her and how she impacted him from Sai, she tried to make up for it and got development for it and in the war arc in chapters like 630, 645, and 663, hell even obito attributed about her wanting to help naruto in 685, and dont get me started on the Kushina stuff, but god, Sasuke, he gave no kitten, spent no time about his bad actions on her, hell he apologized to Karin, even then, you can make a more legimeate case of why she loves him, but not Sakura, theres no reason for it, if the reader cannot understand, its so void of any reason, its so negative, even after this event or the movie, there is no way Sasuke could ever be made believable to love Sakura, there is nothing for SS, its dead and to me, its just a shocker people dont get this through their heads, if its empty for the longest time, for any potential canidate for a subplot, like a romance subplot, it has to be built, and this one is not built, its broken, its been decontrusted. Kishi may not have a canon pairing for the manga, maybe the movie, but to me and most others, he has succeeded in convincing most that there is one pairing to never work and that is SS. Out of all the pairings, ironically in the love subplot, kishi confirmed that SS is the one to NEVER HAVE A VALID OR GOOD REASON TO BE CANON.

[Silent Storm]

Was going to post this in the movie thread as we have another fresh dose of panic but I think it's more suited here

 

That tumblr post from Darkhope didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know; Sakura loves Sasuke and he has no reason to love her.

 

While it's true you don't really need a reason to love someone (at the start atleast), don't forget that Sasuke's character has never once shown attraction to Sakura nor has he been focused on romance, and once he's redeemed that doesn't necessarily mean he'll instantly fall in love with Sakura either. And at this point, when you've held onto something for so long it's about time you fessed up on why you even like the person. Initial attraction can't be explained, but that maturing needs an explanation.

 

Also don't forget that right after she said she loved him he "killed her" in a genjutsu. There is no hidden meanings or anything with that scene. While it's true there is no "real" reason why they can't be together once he's redeemed, don't forget that romance has always been Sakura's thing and Sasuke's character has not been focused on romance but rather his brotherly bond with Naruto and Itachi.

 

So really, with the way it's set up then it's either NaruSaku or an open ending, because Kishimoto had plently of opportunities to develop the SasuSaku but SasuSaku is all failed opportunities and wasted potential.

 

Shipper's problems is isolating incidents and moments in hopes that one scene will fix all the problems with the ship. For all the problems SasuSaku has, Kishimoto rather than take steps to fix them all decided to worsen the situation between those two and have it so Naruto and Itachi can change him.

 

That's not how you read the story when it comes to relationships/pairings. You analyse the different relationships and their dynamics throughout the story and piece together how they get on with each other and whether they will end up together.

 

Let me make one thing clear; NaruSaku as it stands right now is platonic in nature but has the strongest foundation to develop into something romantic. That is not something other ships can boast because at the end of the day;

 

-When it came to day to day interactions Kishimoto decided to place Sakura in those settings. In these interactions we see how Sakura interacts with Naruto when there are chilling in Konoha. They are both comfortable around each other and can be themselves. They can confide in each other and one is down the other can cheer them up.

 

-During missions they work as a team because they have full trust in each other's abilities which shows during the first Tobi fight where Sakura was not worried and was confident that whatever Tobi hit Naruto with wouldn't harm him in anyway.

 

-During the Gaara arc Kishimoto decided to have Sakura know about the jinchuuriki within Naruto and what would happen if he extracts it. Now we're shown that Sakura genuinely cares for Naruto's well-being and the thought of death scares and upsets her.

 

-During the fake confession (which did damage to NaruSaku's perception in the fandom more than it did to their relationship which is what matters more), we find out that Sakura would rather forgo her own happiness if it meant Naruto wouldn't suffer anymore. That was the whole point of the scene; she flat out chose Naruto over Sasuke, and while it may or may not have been out of romantic interest, the message there was she'd rather see Naruto happy and free from burden at the cost of her own happiness.

 

-During the CPR and heart grab scene, we see how far Naruto and Sakura's relationship has progressed since the early days of part 1, as the Sakura then would not go to such lengths to keep Naruto alive.

 

All of these moments, coupled with scenes that she may be harboring romantic feelings for Naruto as well as them for Sasuke are what make NaruSaku the stronger ship. Inferno said it best; 693 didn't hurt NaruSaku so much because all it did was confirm what everyone already knew. It hurts SasuSaku more than NaruSaku because even now, Sasuke has no romantic interest in Sakura. There is not twisting of words and meaning here...HE HAS NO REASON TO LOVE SO THEREFOR HAS NO ROMANTIC INTEREST IN HERE. He has his own goals and dreams which take priority over silly teen romance. Kakashi was right in correcting Sasuke that at that moment she wasn't trying to get a boyfriend but save Sasuke from a path of destruction. She still loves him atleast as a friend to not want that to happen, but none of that means that when Sasuke is redeemed he will suddenly pursue a romantic relationship with Sakura, when before all this madness happened he was not interested in her romantically either, rather he found her annoying after a horrible first impression.

 

The tumblr user is right in how the scene is structured but as usual completely misunderstands the NaruSaku position and then talks down to the fandom as if we are some desperate fools looking for anything to try and argue our ship. The strength of NaruSaku comes from the fact that both characters are comfortable around each other and don't need to hide who they are to impress the other. You cannot argue the same holds true for SasuSaku, where Sakura throughout part 1 through her own insecurity hide who she was to impress Sasuke. NaruSaku has balance, here Naruto is loud and outgoing but the hot tempered and "mature" Sakura is there to keep him in check, tropes that are prevalent in a variety of mangas. NaruHina lacks balance because Hinata can't do what Sakura does nor has NaruHina's relationship progressed towards anything other than romantic feelings. Hinata exists to crush on Naruto and offers nothing to the relationship that he can't get through Sakura, who would offer the same but more. I read somewhere that Hinata is like the moon while Naruto is like the sun, place the moon next to the sun and it's completed escliped by the rays. Hinata's character and bond is overestimated and so incredibly irrelevant to Naruto's plot points and characters that NaruHina happening will be an asspull. SasuSaku lacks balance because Sasuke does not care about Sakura romantically nor can Sakura stand up to Sasuke whenever he's being a b*tch.

 

The author has taken steps to demonstrate the balance in the NaruSaku relationship, and with what we've seen when you look at the manga as a whole, and the situations he's deliberately set up, then NaruSaku has the strongest foundation to turn into something romantic, but it isn't quite there yet because Sakura still loves Sasuke.

 

Jesus Christ this shouldn't even need to be explained but as usual NaruSaku goes into a panic over Sakura still loving Sasuke, a fact everyone should have come to terms ages ago. While the delivery was poor her loving Sasuke right now is necessary as when he's redeemed or w/e she can then address her feelings towards Naruto and choose him over Sasuke. Even then, the tumblr user, nor the NaruSaku fandom can claim what Sakura will, once Sasuke is redeemed, pursue him romantically. Right now her goal isn't to get with Sasuke, that is an obvious fact everyone needs to accept, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that once he's redeemed she'll chase him romantically, especially after that genjutsu. There is also nothing suggesting he'll do the same.

 

Pairing fans in general piss me off with their over-reliance of the feelings of the female that they always, without fail, tend to ignore how the males feel in the relationship, their bonds and dynamics with the characters and how the author has developed their relationship. They do not care. Another mistake is focusing too much on romantic feelings that they completely miss the point on why some people think the relationships won't work, and that all comes down to general interaction which normally don't have anything romantic in nature.

 

So because Sakura and Hinata love Sasuke and Naruto, that means both of them deserve to have their faith and love rewarded despite the dynamics running contrary Naruto/Sasuke's personality? It is a fact that Naruto and Sakura have been illustrated to be similar in personality and interests, it's also a fact that they are more comfortable around each other than they are with other Konoha ninjas. You would have to abandon all reason, critical and analytical skills to even pretend SasuSaku and NaruHina work on the same level.

 

SasuSaku is pure antagonism without mutual trust and respect. Sasuke doesn't have feelings for Sakura nor will he likely pursue her after this mess is over with because that is not an aspect of his character Kishimoto developed. NaruHina is at best mutual friendship where Hinata offers nothing to Naruto's character or plotpoints nor does she actually understand him and has interacted with him on the same level as Sakura. The strength of NaruSaku lies in how close their friendship is, where they compliment each other perfectly and have has balance (which ties into Iruka's Heaven and Earth speech), and that is why of the big 3 it has the most potential to be a canon relationship and why we ship it. :)

 

NaruSaku is not about silly romantic disney fantasy, it's all about balance, understanding each other and supporting each other, which again, all ties back to Iruka's Heaven and Earth speech.

 

Whatever Sakura does in the next 3-4 weeks will decide the pairings, but keep in mind that she has been more happy being around Naruto than she has been around Sasuke, who makes her suffer through his actions and indifference. This contrast in how she is around both Naruto and Sasuke has been shown by the author intentionally and if things progress the way they have been then her choosing to love Naruto romantically from here on out is more likely than her sticking with Sasuke, a person she had very little emotional bond with.

 

Next up will probably be parallels and why we use them.

 

tldr; She still loves Sasuke. Sasuke doesn't and there is no hidden meaning behind his words. NaruSaku has balance whereas the others do not. It has all the makings of a great friendship and of the 3 ships has the strongest case to turn romantic.

Edited by Silent Storm, 16 October 2014 - 10:42 PM.

[Syn11]

I wish Sakura had appeared when Sasuke spoke about Naruto's loneliness. I wanted it so much... argh!