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[tricksie]

Oh yeah, I liked Sasuke's words about Naruto's shadow clone jutsu. We all know Naruto's not truly alone (he's well-liked and loved in many countries now). But he continues to rely on this one jutsu that only he can do. To the point that it can become his weakness. (Sort of like Harry Potter and the expelliarmus spell.) Naruto relies on it way too much. It's a taunt from Sasuke drawn from their childhoods, but underneath it is a real threat — Naruto is still alone out there, and Sasuke is very, very powerful.

 

The ironic thing is that Sasuke was the village darling when he was a child. And Naruto was the one who was truly hated and alone. The only one that hated Sasuke was Sasuke. Everybody else was in awe of him. Girls were crazy about him, boys were afraid of him. If Sasuke had accepted the village and grown up loving it and wanting to serve it, he most certainly would have made Hokage before Naruto even got his head on straight.

 

It's this dynamic in their relationship that is such a good twist on the idea of two kids choosing different paths. And I wish Kishimoto expanded on those similarities/differences more, instead of just the same ol' TnJ and flashbacks.

[K9ofChaos]

Is it just me?

Is it just me or it's VERY intentional on Kishi's part showing that image of Sakura and Ino when Ino is all fangirl and Sakura is all "!!"? Or maybe it's just me...

 

Perhaps Sakura might show her Genjutsu prowess by not only getting herself out of the regular Tsukuyomi, but by dispelling the Infinite Tsukuyomi as well. (Might happen off screen though, or maybe not happen at all, but it's fun to speculate.) That way, she could get everyone to go to where Naruto and Sasuke are fighting and have everyone share their chakra with Naruto like how Goku charged his Spirit Bomb. That would tie in with Naruto and Sasuke being the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra respectively. 

 

Oiy...

-faceplam-

Again, Sasuke has a good point, but his methods are terrible. Yeah he is right that people will usually come together to fight a common enemy and after that they will eventually go back to hating each other so Sasuke means to fight an eternal war; however, what Sasuke forgets if that people will eventually ignore him if he doesn't pose a threat like the others. War cannot go on forever otherwise there will be no one left to fight. His whole goal is a temporary solution, not a permanent one.

All of sudden their powers are unlocking more and more and I again have to wonder, where was all of this during the Kaguya fight? Also, now Sasuke is using the tailed beasts chakra to power himself up? He is no better than Madara. He really has become Madara Uchiha is almost every way save for taking people over under the Tsukuyomi. Oiy. I don't....damn. I was hoping to see Sakura or something with her during this. wWould have been nice, but again we get WeakSauce Sasuke. We also have Naruto thinking about the past....again...This would all seem okay, if we haven't already been through this so many times now.  I have to wonder if Naruto is living too much in the past sometimes, but meh. It is what it is.

Sasuke isn't just living in hatred...he wants to become hatred itself.

 

I agree, it just shows that like Madara, Sasuke doesn't trust his own power enough to try and beat Naruto, so he's using as many underhanded tactics as he can to one up his enemies. But ultimately, Naruto will come out as the victor, not only because is he stronger than Sasuke could ever hope to be, but because Naruto has the support of his friends and allies to back him up. Sasuke is just lucky that Naruto even WANTS to hold back his power and prevent outright killing him in the first place, despite being such a sh*tty friend to him for all these years. And like you said, Sasuke's plan is too stupid to work for the long term. He'd just end up like North Korea, all bark and no bite.

Edited by K9ofChaos, 16 October 2014 - 01:37 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know most of y'all didn't like the chapter because we are on a timeline till the end but c'mooooooooooon some little part of you guys had to enjoy the action in the chapter!!! I felt like a kid reading the damn chapter saying "WHOOOOOOOOA!!! That Was Awesooooooone!!!!!" lol be optimistic about a little bit jeez O_o

On serious note when reading this chapter 2 ideas popped into my head of how the last few chapters would go down....

1: first off being NS (It's A Given, C'mon!!). Since the start of the series we have known Sakura to have cheered for Sasuke and expected him to win in every fight he has been in. And more down in the series with her development with Naruto has came to possess this same expectations and cheering for him as well. But in all the times that Naruto and Sasuke have fought each other seriously (no BS, funny jokes, or what not) Sakura has never picked a Side to who would be better, to be more in the right, and to the one who she truly thinks is the better of them. Now with all the development, how the story has gone through, how Naruto and Sasuke both displayed their individualistic beliefs......it is God Sent GIVEN who Sakura will side with in this conflict and a story like this it HAS to be shown for her character to do something along these lines!! People aren't gonna like that because it would seem Sakura to be nothing more then a cheering and supporting role rather then a badass that they expect of her........but you know what SCREW all that and ENJOY what you get because a NS moment is incoming AND IT AINT GONNA DEGRADE OR BELITTLE SAKURAS CHARACTER AT ALL!!! Don't get hyped of what you want out of her character and just enjoy the good female character for who she is!!!
(Sorry for the little rant at the end there :(.....just a little agitated is all)

2: the ending of the series........for some reason or other I had sudden chill that Kishi would go the same route his brother did with 666 Satan and it's ending. Like the last few pages would show of characters we may or may not know and tell someone of the story of Naruto and how he achieved his dream to become Hokage and it wouldn't even show any of the important characters as adults or any of their children. Just a unsatisfied ending like that..........god that suuuuuuuuuucked T_T lol

Anyway it was good chapter for me because it got me jumpy with power ups and what not and it gave me those childhood imagination going on in my head which is fun XD lol that all I got!!!

Well that does happen when you have a deadline. People gets angst since we know when it ends and we want to know what we want is going to be covered. It's like when watching a live series, you at times wonder why stuck on this plot point if we are near end. Actually, you can say the same with an episode itself, unless you don't pay attention to the clock. So yeah, expect more of this.

[Menma]

Naruto will always be the underdog of sasuke in this manga.Well done sage of six paths for providing sasuke with everything.RENAME THIS MANGA TO SASUKE,should have done that long ago.Everything works in favour and is created of that a****** sasuke.Only in this manga u'll see characters like sasuke gets what he doesnt deserve and can't possibly attain.

 

All together Great Morals,Great messages,Great Story.

 

When and how did i ever start reading this garbage.

 

Whatever,now END this fight and make NS canon already.

 

 

@Pepsi

I wonder how the last chapter is gonna end everything.

 

Maybe they will launch a spin off called Sasuke. Where he rules the world and just pulls power ups out of his ass while everyone adores him for being a genius.

 

Honestly imagine the manga if Sasuke never existed, or didn't grow to be such a mary sue character. There would have been so much more time for developing the other characters that have more realistic and relatable personalities and wants.

 

Sakura likes him, even though he's done NOTHING for her and doesnt even care about her. Naruto wants to save him, even though he's gone off the deep end and it would be better off to just off him. He can't be redeemed and he can't be killed, so he'll just stay on as this leech that continues to ruin all character development and takes away time for from other characters.

 

What a joke. naruto works his ass off and gets some new technique, sasuke starts whining and kishi writes him a new powerup.

[Nefertieh]

 

Perhaps Sakura might show her Genjutsu prowess by not only getting herself out of the regular Tsukuyomi, but by dispelling the Infinite Tsukuyomi as well. (Might happen off screen though, or maybe not happen at all, but it's fun to speculate.)

 

That would be awesome! But I don't know if Kishimoto is willing to give Sakura a technique out of nowhere so late in the story. It would be really interesting if Sakura could awake everybody in the Infinite Tsukiyomi from within the genjutsu itself, but she's not actually in the same genjutsu as them.

 

I would really like to see what Sakura's dream world would look like. Probably Naruto being hokage, as she said when she kept him alive. <3

[MoonDrop04]

Well that does happen when you have a deadline. People gets angst since we know when it ends and we want to know what we want is going to be covered. It's like when watching a live series, you at times wonder why stuck on this plot point if we are near end. Actually, you can say the same with an episode itself, unless you don't pay attention to the clock. So yeah, expect more of this.

Yeah I am :( ..... Just needed to vent out the frustration every once in awhile ya know lol X)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah I am :( ..... Just needed to vent out the frustration every once in awhile ya know lol X)

Nothing with that. Lol. I'm calmed as always. I know some are like sighing at my relax mode. Lol.

[Nefertieh]

 

Maybe they will launch a spin off called Sasuke. Where he rules the world and just pulls power ups out of his ass while everyone adores him for being a genius.

 

Honestly imagine the manga if Sasuke never existed, or didn't grow to be such a mary sue character. There would have been so much more time for developing the other characters that have more realistic and relatable personalities and wants.

 

Sakura likes him, even though he's done NOTHING for her and doesnt even care about her. Naruto wants to save him, even though he's gone off the deep end and it would be better off to just off him. He can't be redeemed and he can't be killed, so he'll just stay on as this leech that continues to ruin all character development and takes away time for from other characters.

 

What a joke. naruto works his ass off and gets some new technique, sasuke starts whining and kishi writes him a new powerup.

 

I think some people have completely missed the point of Sasuke's character. He's Naruto's foil, they story is about the two of them bonding, it's not about him undermining Naruto to make you feel bad.

 

There is no story is the hero doesn't have a conflict he has to overcome. And the conflict here is not just mustache-twizzling villain in a black hat.

 

This isn't a hard concept to grasp, honestly.

[manbeast101]

It was an ok chapter, though I want this fight over already because there are still things that need to be resolved.

 

But Naruto's new battle mode looks badass though, but still want this fight to end, with Naruto winning of course.

[六道仙人]

a jutsu that shows how he is lonely? that's why tobirama was single

[Cherry-Bloss93]

Am I the only one who liked this chapter because I thought it was better than what I expected? Lol

[Menma]

 

I think some people have completely missed the point of Sasuke's character. He's Naruto's foil, they story is about the two of them bonding, it's not about him undermining Naruto to make you feel bad.

 

There is no story is the hero doesn't have a conflict he has to overcome. And the conflict here is not just mustache-twizzling villain in a black hat.

 

This isn't a hard concept to grasp, honestly.

 

There's plenty of conflict without Sasuke. He's a terrible foil that gets powerups whenever Naruto gets powerups. He gets way too much focus despite being an complete mary sue perfect character, etc, etc.

 

It's not a hard concept to grasp, it's just BAD WRITING.

Edited by Menma, 16 October 2014 - 01:53 PM.

[Hiraishin]

Yeah, always thought the Kage bunshin was symbolic.

And... Sasuke really wants Naruto to (at least try to) kill him.

Will next chapter be 'Naruto and Sasuke 4'? and the one after that, 5? Like someone else said, it seems that the next two chapters will be Naruto and Sasuke, then the last chapter will be used to resolve everything (releasing people from the IT, pairings -- if they're addressed in the manga at all). I hope not, but it seems that way. Maybe Sasuke will tell Naruto he can't defeat him, they continue to fight, then at the end is when the true TNJ starts, so by the end of 698 they've (more or less) reached some sort of agreement and in the last chapter IT will be released, and everything else.

I would really like to see what Sakura's dream world would look like. Probably Naruto being hokage, as she said when she kept him alive. <3

I would have loved to see what Sakura's dream world is. Yeah, that's probably what it would include. Ah, so sweet~

Edited by Hiraishin, 16 October 2014 - 01:54 PM.

[racerxdsr]

Not sure if someone has said this or not but seems like Sauske is pulling a Lelouch from Code Geass.  Where he becomes the focal point of hatred and all the nations gather together to stop him.  Sasuke won't go back to Konoha b/c then that hatred would be directed to the village regardless if he is imprisoned or whatever.  Plus Nartuo doesn't want Sasuke to die so that is why Sauske doesn't have a hitate and seems to be a wanderer in the sketches for the movie.  Just my theory.

[ns.Believe.It]

On the contrary, loneliness was what gave him the ability to empathize with his enemies so well. It is the source of his TnJ, so to speak. The idea of "loneliness" and "overcoming loneliness" is just conflated into one in this context.

It makes sense when you put it like this.

But tbf, its my opinion this 'empathizing with his enemies' part of his personality is sort of a weakness.

Naruto cherishes his bonds because he knows what loneliness is. He knows how much it hurts to be alone, so he does everything he can to protect those bonds. That is how he grows stronger.

He is desperate to bring Sasuke back, because he doesn't stand the thought of losing such an important bond and because he doesn't stand the thought of Sasuke being lonely again. Loneliness is hell in Naruto's mind.

Naruto never gave up, true, but I never said that. Naruto never gave up, that is exactly why his loneliness never destroyed him, it made him stronger. Naruto's character is all about his wish to be acknowledged. And the vision of Naruto alone on those swings is still the main symbolic picture of Naruto's pain. Loneliness is and forever will be one of Naruto's main defining characteristics, whether it is an actual loneliness or memory of it.

Right now I believe that Naruto is still somewhat lonely. We had the proof of it just recently.

I still fail to see how loneliness made Naruto stronger. I agree that it played an important part in shaping his personality but his source of strength is bonds of friendship and camaraderie. Loneliness brings the worst out of Naruto, just like Sakura's love for Sasuke brings the worst out of her. It was his escaping from the pain of loneliness that helped Naruto to be a happier, stronger and a more confident person.

[MoonDrop04]

Nothing with that. Lol. I'm calmed as always. I know some are like sighing at my relax mode. Lol.

I'm actually jealous of that right now lol XD because I need to learn that "lower your expectations" Technique of your!!!! Especially with the upcoming chapters!!! But being a Total NS shipper as I am I can't stop the ideas and hopes of moments Kishi is passing up for the pair in my head so I'm Screeeeeeeeeewed XD lol

[K9ofChaos]

Oh yeah, I liked Sasuke's words about Naruto's shadow clone jutsu. We all know Naruto's not truly alone (he's well-liked and loved in many countries now). But he continues to rely on this one jutsu that only he can do. To the point that it can become his weakness. (Sort of like Harry Potter and the expelliarmus spell.) Naruto relies on it way too much. It's a taunt from Sasuke drawn from their childhoods, but underneath it is a real threat — Naruto is still alone out there, and Sasuke is very, very powerful.

 

An excellent point, but technically the Shadow Clone Jutsu isn't exclusive to Naruto. It's just that Naruto is able to use it more often than your average Jonin could due to his high chakra reserves. Kakashi struggles to maintain the Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu whereas Naruto can created thousands of clones without breaking a sweat before he even became a Genin in the first place. It's because of this that he's developed his own training method that can speed up the process of learning something new that only he (and I suppose his children too if they inherit both qualities of their parents) can do. It's both his greatest strength for all the powerful feats he's capable of doing because of it and his greatest weakness because of his heavy reliance on it.

 

Sasuke's comment does offer insight into Naruto's psyche, that's for sure. Even though he's now considered a hero who is loved by all, he's still all too familiar with the feeling of loneliness that it has probably still affected his outlook on life to this very day. Sasuke had the approval of the entire leaf village while Naruto was hated, yet despite Sasuke's suffering over the loss of his clan, he didn't care about all the attention he got from the people around him, so he took that stuff for granted. He might've made that loneliness jab to Naruto because of his own ego that considers Naruto a loser. Yet if you think about it, the only real loser of the two is Sasuke, since he left the village all for the sake of gaining power. Now he's an international criminal hated by all while Naruto has the love of his friends and respect of the other villages.

Edited by K9ofChaos, 16 October 2014 - 02:08 PM.

[tricksie]

I would have loved to see what Sakura's dream world is. Yeah, that's probably what it would include. Ah, so sweet~

 

Since Sasuke knocked her out, I don't think she's in some kind of pleasant dream world like the rest of them. Worst case scenario it's some replaying of an awful moment of her life. Best case it's Sasuke's dream world with Sakura in it: He's the hokage and she is just one of the many people who live and work under him. Naruto doesn't exist there.

 

(But at this point she's probably just unconscious.)

[BlazingDynamo]

I must say after draining the powers of the tailed beasts Sasuke might as well be immortal if he keeps draining their powers

[AHK]

I liked how Naruto took a page out of Ashura's book with the three headed chakra a avatar. I thought that was cool. Sasuke's abilities are just kind of bland to be honest, he really isn't any different than Madara.